Transcripts For LINKTV Democracy Now Special 20161109

Will she make history tonight or will donald trump pull off an upset in the race for the white house after one of the most divisive campaigns in modern u. S. History . When mexico sends its people, they are not sending their best. They are not sending you. They are not sending you. They are sending people that have lots of problems and they are bringing those problems. They are bringing drugs. They are bringing crime. They are rapists, and some, i assumeme, are good people. E. Amy andnd voters are not just deciding the president ial race. The u. S. Senate is up for grabs and possibly the house. We will be live for the next five hours in this democracy now special, bringing you Election Results from around the country and voices you wowont hear anywhere else. All that and more, coming up. ,is is democracy now democracynow. Org, the war and , peace, and the presidency. Juan polls have just closed in georgia, indiana, kentucky, south carolina, vermont,t, and virginia. We a are likelely just hours awy from knowing who will be the next president of the United States. Will Hillary Clinton bome the nations first female president or will donald trump pulull offa shocking upset . Control of the u. S. Senate is also for up grabs as democrats are attempting to pick up four seats to reclaim the upper chamber. All 435 seats in the house of representatives are also being decided today. Y. Republicansns e expected to remain in the majority as the democrats would need to gain 30 seats. Amy more than 160 Ballot Initiatives are also on the ballot in 35 states, more than in any election in the last decade. Marijuana legalization is on the is in nine states in issue. Other initiatives include reforms around guns, Public Education, the minimum wage, the death penalty, taxes, samesex marriage. The election all caps one of the most divisive in u. S. History. This morning, donald trump was food as he arrived was booed as he arrived at his manhattan polling station to cast his vote. Booing] Hillary Clinton went to vote this morning in chappaqua, new york, along with her husband, former president bill clinton. It is the most humbling feeling. I know how much responsibility goes with ththis. So many people are counting on the outcome of this election, what it means for our country, and i will do the very best i can. Anything youre worried about today . Amy in the first results of the is reporting donald trump has won indiana and kentucky. Hillary clinton has won vermont. Today marks the first president ial election in half a century without the full protections of the Voting Rights act. Across the nation, there are 868 fewer places to vote because of the Supreme Courts gutting of the Voting Rights act. We will be spending the next five hours bringing you Election Results with an array of guests from coast to coast. Were beginning with four guests now. Jill stein is with us off the campaign trail. The president ial nominee for the green party. Mirna that is is with us. John dingells is a reporter is a reporter based at the nation. She serves on the board of the Economic Policy institute. Her new book, are we better off . Shes a former president of Bennett College in North Carolina. We have a lot to discuss as these poll numbers roll in. John, give us a lay of the land, what you are watching in this country. John im missing my people in wisconsin. Lets start with the baseline. Were going to elect the 45th president of the United States. Theres a chance it will be the first woman president. Beyond that, we are looking at what that result will mean and how it will play. If Hillary Clinton is elected, will she win a substantial majority in the Electoral College . Will she win a substantial plurality in the popular vote . That is important. The republican nominee has suggested the system is rigged against him and he holds out the possibility of objections. That is the top line we will Pay Attention to. We arest returns suggest following pattern in those states. Then we are going to elect the United States senate. The question is, can the next president governed . We have seen obstructionon over the last number of years. Juan is right that the chance of the House Flipping is slim, but we will watch that as well. I think most importantly, because we have jill stein here and other folks who can go so much deeper, what ill be watching is a number of Ballot Initiatives. We have an opportunity in two states, washington and califofornia, to say, do we want to overturn Citizens United . That is a big deal. This will be the most expensive president ial and congressional races in history. To me, one of the most exciting things, colorado will be voting on a single payer, medicare for all health care system. California will be voting on a huge push back against pharmaceutical companies. We have in Washington State a referendum on Climate Change that will send signals there. Theres so much going on tonight. I love that you are on for five hours. I think it is going to take five hours to get to the e heart of e matter. Juan jill stein, youve been the green Party President ial candidate. Thirdparty efforts have garnered more attention than any time since ralph nader ran. What do you hope to accomplish for the voters . Think the American People are changing the dialogue. The New York Times ran a poll that said 80 of American Voters consider this a repulsive election. We entered this election with two candidates, the establishment candidates, being the most disliked and untrusted, and it has been all downhill. Today, another shoe drops. Ways, i think in many have begun to really reject the system. We know that not only because of butunpopular candidates, 60 of voters say they are clamoring for a new independent Political Party. Even the voters behind donald trump and Hillary Clinton for the most part do not support them, but are mostly afraid of the other candidate. I think weve kind of crossed the rubicon. Eople have decided people have been systematically denied an understanding of what the alternatives are. 72 of voters do not know about my campaign. The only campaign that is not corrupted by lobbyist money, by corporate money, and by a super pack, this gets to the real heart of the problem, yet voters have been systematically denied understanding of that. In spite of the fear campaigning and the intimidatioion, the lesr evil stuff, people are having a choice really rammed down their throats, between a proven militarist and a neofascist. What kind of a choice is that . There are a lot of people who reject that. Im really looking forward to the cracks in the system now. I think were going to see a lot of buyers remorse tomorrow. In either case, i think were going to see incredible regret not only about this election, but about what weve been able to get out of it, which is not very much. I think its going to be a perfect storm for organizing. If we get 5 , that is a big breakthrough. Even short of 5 , i think were going to do a whole lot better than we did four years ago. At 5 , we would basically be a recognized party. We would have a guaranteed 8 million to 10 million out of the starting gate in the next president ial election. Starting tomorrow, we would have guaranteed balloting access in most states. We would have a rallying point for resistance. Amy julianne, you have a different view of what the choices. You are a surrogate for Hillary Clinton. If you could respond to jill stein, talk about what is at stake now. Number one, the Supreme Court. Title v of the Voting Rights act was eviscerated and we need that back. Number two, there are all kinds of things the court is going to be ruling on, including some labor rights issues. If hillary or donald trump will be the president , we know that we will have vastly Different Supreme Court nominees depending on which of them wins. The court is at stake. The department of education is at stake. Hasary clinton has said she hbcus. Lion for historically black colleges, 105 of them. Meanwhile, mr. Trump says he has a plan. He has a plan for everything, but he wont write it down. He knows everything also. He wont write that down either. He said he will appoint Rudy Giuliani, Rudy Giuliani, as the attorney general. Mr. Law and order, stop and frisk, Rudy Giuliani. I had a passionate debate with the man who drove me to the train station this morning who said he was in voting. I said, how many times have you been stopped by the police . He said, just about every week. I said, you want Rudy Giuliani . I will pay you money to go home and vote, please, because we want the huge margins for hillary. Jill, i have two things to say to you. I admire what you are doing. At the same time, i dont think the green party has done its work. That is why it seems marginal to me. Im not wasting my vote. Some of your positions make sense to me, but frankly all of them do not. Im about as progressive as they come. We know that hillary works. Hillary has worked for us. She has worked with african American People. Also at stake is the department of justice. Theres so much at stake in this election. I think if the green party had been consistent and persistent in doing its work, you would be on ballot in all 50 states now. If im uninformed, please inform me, but i find the effort relatively episodic, with a lot gamame around elections, but nothing going through. The people that dont know about you, that is on you. Most people read the New York Times, they read somebodys newspaper. Youve gotten coverage. You have to ask yourself why theres so little sticking here. If you ask yourself that question, i think you will find, if theres this groundswell of dissatisfaction, which there is, this didnt start in 2016. People have been unhappy for a long time. I would love to see a multiparty system like we have in some european countries, but im not sure how to get there. Why dont you tell us . Juan before jill responds, talk about a big issue in this election. Problems at the voting booth. There have been problems reported in utah and pennsylvania, right here in new york city, i in North Carolinan. Weve had a report that the North Carolina board of electctn holes opento keep after computer glitches. In spite of this conversation, i think its about the voters. I would be very upset if any of this conversation led to people being demoralized or disenchanted and not coming out to vote. There are problems in our system. Im not naive about those. But the polls are still open. You need to get out and get there. If you have any problems at the polls, there are thousands of nonpartisan assistance you can ourvote. Call 866 weve seen stuff that we see in other elections. We got long lines. Weve got registration systems that are not working. We have issues of Election Officials not knowing the work and not knowing the rules. We have a big infrastructure problem with our machines. My hope is that the talk of rigged elections causes people of all political stripes to think aboutut how we invest in r elections. Were supposed to be the best democracy in the world. We need to have a topflight system. There are specific and easy things we can do. We can make sure our administrators have ththe reresources toto do their job. We can an act automatic registration. We can restore the Voting Rights act. We can invest in our machines. This problem in North Carolina was largely due to electronic equipment failing. This is predictable. This is no surprise to somebody. I think we need to say, we do not want democracy on the cheek. Amy utah, something happening there right now . Myrna i have not heard about utah, but i would not be surprised. There are long lines in a bunch of different places. Amy in nevada, talk about the trump attorneys bringing a lawsuit around too many people voting in early vovoting. Myrna that is one thing i also want to be careful about. We need to be precise. It is hard to fix something if we talk in soundbites. There was an allegation that a law was being violated by allowing people who are standing in line after the polls closed to participate. That is wrong. If you are standing in line before your poll closes, in every state ive ever seen, you are entitled to cast a ballot that will count. The polling places are supposed to stay open to accommodate you. Positiono be in a where we want more people to participate and more people to vote. Trying to have policies and practices that make it harder for people to vote is not a good way to have a robust democracy. Juan here in new york city, the mayor blasted the electoral process today because there were long lines, blocks long in some precincts, of people to vote, waiting hours. This is especially after the primary problems in new york city. Myrna theres no question that we arent resourcing our elections enough. Juan you would think that in a city like new york, having to require everyone to vote only on election day, as the mayor has said, is backward. Myrna theres a myriad of reforms i would like to improve the election system, including expanding early voting. It is also a question of resources. Do we have enough machines, poll workers, are we being smart about how we queue people up . One of the studies we did was looking at how states were allocating poll workers and machines. We discovered that areas that had a higher percentage of minority population had to wait longer in line. They tended to have fewer resources. This is not Rocket Science. This is basic input and output. This is also fixable. We just need to devote resources to do this. Amy why do states decide to have early voting and other states not to . In new york city, people were in line for hours in the middle of the day. Im not talking rushhour or right before work. Myrna when you have a 50 state system, you have different explanations for every state. Some of it is political will. The Election Administrators tend to like it. It is super popular. One of the things i think was so problematic about the ways of restrictive legislation, were attempts to cut back early voting, to cut back early voting opportunities that were used to help get minority voters out to participate and give those opportunities. How many needs to do a lot albany needs to do a lot. They need to take on the issue and we need to get a Voting Rights act restored. It is time. If were going to have a participatory democracy, we need to make sure people know that when they step into the ballot box, they are free from discrimination. Flexible voting affects people who have inflexible jobs. If you had to take two hours or three hours to stand in line, it is not the end of your world, but if you are an hourly worker and the only day you can vote is on tuesday and it is not a holiday. Exactly. You are going to be penalized if you are making 10 an hour. You may lose your job. My assistant went to vote and she caught a couple times and said, it has gotten crazy. I said, just take your time. But everyone is not going to do that. We need to look at who gets penalized. Many times, people will go from church directly to the polls. When you cut out sunday voting, you are cutting out not only a source of encouragement, but also a Good Alternative to the tuesday voting. Ther someone derivatively deliberately is saying, i want to discriminate, whether they say that deliberately in North Carolina, they said they didnt. This is important. If we would merely compare ourselves to other countries, iceland voted a week ago. They had virtually 80 turnout. If we got anywhere near 80 turnout in the united dates, we would have singlepayer health care, free college. You want to run down the list . You would be bringing in an electorate that political elites would have to respond to. These voting problems, which can seem bureaucratic i think there is a difference between votiting problems in vor suppression. I dont make the distinction. In a system that is serious about it, problematic voting exists because people didnt care enough to make it easy and smooth. All i can tell you is, in belgium, they get over 90 turnout in many elections. Do you know what belgium did a couple weeks ago . They stopped the whole Global Trading negotiations becausee they were concerned about the farmers. If you have mass turnout, you suddenly change debates about trade, health care, education, everything. This is big deal stuff. I do think it is exciting. We will be lucky if we pass 60 . The voter problems and Voter Suppression, in some ways they are the same thing, but in some ways they are not. Suppression is evil. These are people with evil intent who say, im going to try to prevent these people from voting. In North Carolina, i was doing some stumping for hillary, and they had a couple churches. High point, North Carolina had seven or eight polling sites in 2012. This year, they had one. And the one was at the courthouse. Imagine that you have accumulated parking tickets. You dont want to go to the courthouse. So i had a conversation with one brother who said, im going to vote on tuesday because i dont want to deal with that. They implicitly said things to immigrants who are even documented about maybe checking your papers, doing this or that. In 2012, we saw police cars stationed outside of precincts. There are a whole lot of people let me press you on this one. This is quick. In making this distinction between suppression and problems , i have covered elections in two dozen countries. Ive covered every election in this country for a long time. It is different here. Our elections are often a mess. Amy it is decentralized. That is part of the issue. Would argue that our problems in voting are accepted by people who may not aggressively suppress, but t thy accept a system that is so antithetical to democracy that it is na ongoing an ongoing crisis. Juan lets get back to something we dropped earlier. Jill stein, your response to Julianne Malveaux about to what degree is the green party responsible for its own failings to get a larger share of the vote. Ms. Stein thank you for putting the issues on the table. There is widespread misinformation and disinformation about that. I cant tell you how many times i and the green party have clarified, weve had over 1000 elected officials at the local level. An example is gayle mclaughlin, who was mayor of richmond, california, a poor industrialized city, where she basically changed their economic policies, massively reduced violence by policing, reduced crime by 80 . They turned Eminent Domain on its head to use it against the big banks that were foreclosing on families, to seize those mortgages, and require those mortgages be sold at market value. Green also initiated the first gay marriage is in new york, where they mayor went to jail over thoseofficiated gay and lesbian marriages. Greens have actually been there on the forefront at the local level. We won lots of local canandidat. One out of every three of our local candidates gets elected and reelected. It is just not true that we are not there. We are also at the forefront of the social movements and the social struggles, whether it is the Climate Justice movement or working with the black lives Matter Movement. My running mate is a person of color and there are many people of color who see the green party as a party that actually does what it says and raises the bar to the highest level. Said, according to one of her leaked emails, she has a Public Policy and a private policy, so while she may appear to be the advocate for women and children and peopoplef color, in fact, she said that dodd frank was for show, that wall street should be able to regulate itself, that climate activists should get a life, that the National Nurses united is a fringe group. She e has already floated to her varirious surrogates the likelihood that she will begin to privatize Social Security and turn it into a private and mandated investment plan. She hasnt said that publicly. Ms. Stein i would like to answer the issues you put on the table. She says one thing herself, but she has other people who are floatingng her plans. I think theres great reason to be concerned that we will see Social Security and medicare we also know that she is waiting in the wings to come out on the Transpacific Partnership. She supports fracking. Heher director of transnsition a big advdvocate for the transpacific p ptnership. Were going to have a lot to struggle with. I think there will be a lot of buyers remororse. I want to say also, we could fix the system right now with ranked Choice Voting. It is a simple reform. It lets you go into the voting booth and rank your choices. If your first choice is an underdog, who loses, your vote is reassigned to your second choice. We could actually bring our values into the voting booth, but the democrats wont pass it. I helped file that bill in massachusetts with an 80 majority in the democratic legislature. They refused to let rankeded Choice Voting out of committee because it calls your bluff. The party is funded by the predatory banks, the fossil fuel giants, and the war profiteers. They rely on fear and intimidation. About the Supreme Court, under richchard nixon, one of our most oppressive and regressive notablys, we got a lot out of him, but out of the Supreme Court. We actually enforced and got the decision for womens right to choose. In my view, what really counts here as our political system voters feel where like theyve been thrown under the bus, and where they are dropping out of these two corporate sponsored political ties i think youre ranked Choice Voting is a really great idea. Ms. Stein the legislature refused to pass it. The governor of california vetoed it. Julianne i am not afraid of anything. I am voting for Hillary Clinton because im excited and enthusiastic. Ms. Stein voters are being intimidated. We can do away with that in a minute. We can do away with that in a minute, so why wont the democrats pass it . They are very afraid of creating real competition. Julianne i have not seen that at the national level. Ms. Stein at the state level, we need it. That is where the votes are counted. Bypassing ranked Choice Voting at the state level, we change how we vote for president. Gate out of the starting julianne we are talking about, join us on the issue. We are working with libertarians. Juan i have good news, that tonight the state of maine is voting on a ranked choice system. It is 7 30 in some polls have closed. At 4 00, it was puerto rico. 6 00, virgin islands, indiana, kentucky. But no one in puerto rico is voting for president. 7 00, florida, georgia, south carolina, virginia. Loretta has been called for secretary clinton for president. 7 30 North Carolina. A lot of places have extended their time. Ohio and west virginia. Cnn has projected that donald trump has won west virginia. And also, with 30 of the vote in, clinton has 49. 5 . Trump has 47. 7 . That is in florida. You have to leave, i know. You have to get out of here, so any final comments about what people should be concerned about . The times and talking about our eastern times, but are going to be voting for many hours tonight. People need to go out and vote. There are people out there to help you in a nonpartisan way to exercise your fundamental right to choose. I think that after this election, because of all the talk about rigged, all the fear of russians hacking the system, we have a real opportunity to come together and decide to rebuild the infrastructure of our democracy. This is not Rocket Science. We know what the agenda needs to look like. We need to have committed legislators. My hope is that all the viewers will be part of it. Juan in 2000, there was the same public sentiment after the election in florida. And we got the help america vote act. Juan you think that was progress . I do think theres been advancements. I dont want the crises, but i do think that right now we are experiencing a sort of undermining of our democracy by some folks who profit of that. I think we need to come together as a country and decide we want a topflight democracy. We are willing to pay for it. I think it is something we can do. Amy myrna, a sheriff is running in arizona. He also said he was deploying his deputies at polling stations. Critics said the move was aimed at chilling voter turnout in an election expected to see a Record Number of latinos voting. Can you talk about what youve heard in arizona . We heard that a whole high school walked out. One thing weve heard is that in early voting there were long lines. We heard not just in arizona but in a few places that there have been complaints of intimidation. That could include a number of things, ranging from there being Police Presence at the polls, someone standing too close, hovering over people, and some campaigners screaming at people walking by. What should be very clear to folks is there are federal and state protectionsns that allow them to be free of intimidation. Those folks who would seek to intimidate voters do so on very shaky ground. There are people like me that are there to protect them. We are not afraid to call the department of justice if we need to. Perez, thank you very much for joining us. This is democracy now s fivehour broadcast until midnight or longer if need be as we cover the issues of war, peace, and the presidency. Down ballot, were going to be covering many different races, not to mention Ballot Initiatives. Juan we also want to welcome rishaad robinson, director of the color ofof change pac. His recent piece for newsweek has headlined the political establishment is failing black voters. Welcomome. Thahank you for having me. Im actually the spokesperson for our pac, but its always good to be back with you. Juan weve heard reports of reduced africanamerican turnout in this election. What is your perspective on what is happening . Election, wele hear this handwringing. Will black people turnout at the level democrats need them in order to be successful . In the same breath, were not hearing, what have democrats done to deliver for black folks . In the way they need them to deliver and the way they deserve. Black people and black women have been a cornerstone of democratic success for decades. What were seeing out of the exit polls is painting a very different story. It is painting turnout at the same level as 2012 in states around the country, nevada, florida, virginia. I do want to say that the Democratic Party cant continue to rely on the toxicity of the Republican Party as the sole engine for turning out black people. There has to be a different relationship, a different level of investment in black infrastructure, a different policy agenda that really delivers on results, that i think is incredibly important. Especially as a new generation of black leaders take hold of organizations and movements and want to push forward, the Democratic Party is going to have to deliver. Amy talk about whats happening in florida. Juan im im in florida right now. What were hearing is a lot of stories around challenges during early voting, kind of decreased early voting. Were also seeining incredibly long lines. There is a real story of the emergence of the Latino Community, particularly puerto ricans, who have turned out in much higher numbers. Seeing numbers and turnrnout numbers that i i thine once again indirirect result, nt necessarily a what democrats have prorovided on key issues, t a reprpresentation of the pushbk and fight back against a Republican Party t that has s bn so toxic, of president ial candidates that have been so toxic. I think the question for the rising american electorate, for black k and brown people,e, for young folks and women, for folks that continue to be the cornerstone and fuel to progressive change, is what do we get out of a corporate Democratic Party . How do we hold this Party Accountable . The other story is the workaround District Attorney races. Florida, were going to see the e election of the first africanamerican District Attorney ever in the state of florida. Thisis is the capstone of a momovement happening among young black folks. Many organizations really joining hands and trying to policing issssues to the actual power at the ballot box. She will go into office as a black woman with a formerly incarcerated husband who ran on a reform plalatform, who hahas t her voice out there foror the community, and the community will hold her accountntable. Around the country, over the next several years, we will see a Real Movement around District Attorney races. The question will be, does the Democratic Party establishment embrace it as a real tool to turnout black voters and deliver on real results . If they y do, thenen we can stat building the type of alliances necessary to move our country forward. If the democratitic Party Continues to see black peoeoples a vovoting pool they can go to every two or four years, ththey are going to have diminishing returns. Juan the black lives Matter Movement has spread d across the country. Are you seeing any significant differences between young africanamericans and older africannamericans in their perspective on mainstream politics . Just for millennials across alall races, young people, peope are not joiners the same w way generations before t them were. They arere not going to o be cardrdcarrying members of t the Democratic Party or the aclu or the naacp or my organization. People are going to move inside and outside of campaigns that matter to them. Changed of joining has because of the ability to get and receive information through social media, to be your own validator. That sort of lack of joioining, that new way of being, i think is going t to be incredibly hard for these old, traditional establishment infrastructures, evolve, to deliver, to be about results. Amy weve just gotten this from wnyc, npr in new york. Exit polls in virginia and georgia say 9 10 of black voters and two thirds of hispanic voters are blocking hillary are backing Hillary Clinton. Being in floridada, talk about e races there. E. Talk about what you think is about to happen. At about one third of the votete in, cnn sayays hillary is slighy ahead. You alalso have the e senate raf incumbent marco rubio who said he wasnt going to run, but then did run. If you could talk about the marco rubio versus Patrick Murphy race for the senate. I think it underscores what im saying. It sort of underscores this idea of Harm Reduction in voting in certain communities where folks are voting against trump, but not necessararily standing lockstep with the Democratic Party. Im making a prediction that could be wrong. I think Hillary Clinton is going to take florida or it is going to be very close. I still think youre going to see marco rubio win the senate race. I think that what youre seeing is the overwhelming turnout among latino communities in large force for Hillary Clinton or against donald trump, and still split tickets. Patrick murphy wont have the same level of support. I think that, in terms of the next four years of governing, of building a coalition, speaks to what the Democratic Party has to deliver on across a wide range of issues, criminal justice reform, Immigration Reform, investment in housing and education, and all the things that work to turn us back from the austerity era that startedd in the Bush Administration and in some ways still carries through the Obama Administration we need a strong fighter in the white house to fight back against attempts like that. Juan i i think we also are joid by ralph nader in washington, d. C. , the legendary Consumer Rights advocate and former president ial candidate. ,lcome to democracy now ralph. Give us your take on this president ial election. Itsader i think hillarys victory tonight. It is something pretty predictable. Hillary is going to find Common Ground with the republicans on foreigign and military a affair. They both want to enhance the military budget. Shes never seen a Weapon System or a war she hasnt liked. Shes ready to pick a fight with putin. So are the republicans. Shes ready to give it to asia and provoke china. So are the republicans. It is on domestic issues that there will be gridlock. The true danger is the expansion of empire and the diversion of public budgets overseas at the neglect of domestic necessities, including a major Public Works Program to employ millions of people. The democrats want that. The republicans may be pressured from back home to want it, but it hasnt happened yet under the Obama Administration. Lets look at the trump and Bernie Sanders insurgencies. They were basically insurgencies against the republican and Democratic Party. Bernie sanders made no mistake about it. Trump didnt either. They almost won. The question is, where are all these energies which have been repulsed going to end up . I think theyre going to end up in increasing Common Ground resentment of wall street over main street and a captive washington in dififferent t to e necessities of peoeople regardls of political labels. That is going to come through a kind of leftright alliance, waiting for one of two things. A Mass Movement back home with laserbeam focus on congressional districts because congress is the great enabler for Progressive Society, and the great graveyard, the way it has been behaving against a prosperous society. Or, another billionaire or two. As the ripples from the trunk campaign are not only going to lead to the defeat of the Transpacific Partnership in , it is going to encourage more than a few billionaires around the country who are saying, good heavens, if a failed gamblings are anticorporate welfare king who has cheated employees, creditors, suppliers, taxpayers, shareholders, can get this far, what about the head of the dallas cowboys, mark cuban . What about the head of starbucks, Howard Schultz . What about somebody from silicon valley. I think you are seeing the fishers of twoParty Establishment beginning to crack. Social media will facilitate that. I think theres going to be a major assault on the president ial debate corporation and there are very significant ways across the country on how to break its grip, which is a way toto exclude dissenting voices. Amy i want to update with some news. Ap is confirming, Authorities Say one person is dead and three injured following reports of a shooting near a Los Angeles Area polling site. Pictures taken inside the polling place, says new york magazine, show groups of voters and kids who accompanied their parents to vote. Another group of 20 children have been evacuated. Also, some updates, and all these updates we will talk about gun initiatives around the country as well. Also, the numbers are changing. Florida, with more than half of the vote counted, now trump is in the lead. Cnn is reporting that clinton is leading in New Hampshire, bubut that is just w with 1 reporting in. As soon as ohio closed its polls, cnn also called ohio for rob portman in the senate race that he easily won. Senator leahy in vermont also easily won his senate seat in the reelection there. Your comments on any of these victories, ralph, and why at this early point we will be on until midnight or beyond you feel that this is Hillary Clintons victory. Mr. Nader the early votes come from rural areas, which have favored trump. We will see what happens with the cities. The question is, what is the future for the Bernie Sanders movement . I think unless he has a massive rally in early december in washington, d. C. To bring together the various people who supported him, who are looking for some cohesion around his folks will clinton be able to marginalize him. They will say, how many votes does he have in the senate . He had trouble getting one cosigner on medicare for all before he became morere known. Isnt he promised a very high position, maybe head of Senate Budget or something . Mr. Nader that will be important, but you know the senate. If you dont have 60 votes, very hard to get anything done, especially with mcconnell still there. That is why i call the senate the graveyard of democracy. Even when you have 58 senators, they can block it. Juan were also joined in khalidi. Rashid welcome to the show. Your perspective on the race so far . As is always the case, nobodys talking about the fact that the empire will be ruled from washington and Foreign Policy hasnt been on anybodys screen. This will be the president of the United States and the person involved in wars all over the world, maybe the middle east, and it is very important. Where going to have an entirely new administration, even if hillary wins as she seems to be winning. Juan and youre concerned with Foreign Policy . Rashid as ralph said, trump is unpredictable. I dont know what would happen in a Trump Administration. I think we would be very wise not to predict anything with him. If past behavior is any indication, his behavior would not be acceptable. Ms. Stein and if past behavior is any indication, we are in a lot of trouble with Hillary Clinton as well, who has promised to start a nofly zone in syria, which amounts to a declaration of war against russia, and assures us that hundreds of thousands more people will be killed. Amy what do you think should happen in syria . Ms. Stein no doubt, we need a new kind of offensive in the middle east, a piece offensive. It starts with a weapons embargo , which we can lead the way on, since we are providing the majority of weapons that get into the hands of combatants. I would follow with a freeze on Bank Accounts of countries that continue to fund terrorist enterprprises, which h Hillary Clinton herself identified. Its not Rocket Science how we do this. Right now we are serving the militaryindustrial complex through both parties who are funded massively by the money of war profiteers. This is one of the reasons it was very important to keep my voice out of the debates. 76 of americans were screaming to open the debates. The war policies of both these candidates were not challenged. They are both kind of on the same page. More militarism. Over half of our discretionary budget, nearly half of your income taxes, being spent on an offense department, and its track record is cacatastrophic. Failed state, mass refugee migration, terroristst threats. Few americans know thatat half f their income taxes are funding this, yet it makes us less safe, not more safe. Reason could prevail if we could have that t discussion. This is why, in my view, casting a lesser evil vote is not a safe thing to do. In order to fight militarism, it is very important that we cast a vote on behalf of peace and a policy based on International Law and human rights. [indiscernible] ms. Stein who said that threshold . Campaign coming out of this race is to create a real Debate Commission. Righght now we have a bipartisan Debate Commission when most americans are not members of the bipartisan establishment. We need a nonpartisan Debate Commission which allows candidates who are on the ballot in enough states that they could win the election voters have a right to know. We need to open the debate so we can have a real debate to challenge the failed war policy and the failed climate policy. Julianne there probably were a couple dozen people running for president [all talking] the threshold established to maintain a monopoly on political discussion. Julianne you said 5 would suggest ms. Stein the threshold the league of women voters may i speak . The league of women voters said, at the time the democrats and republicans took over the Debate Commission, the league of women votersrs quit, saying this was a fraud being perpetrated on the American Voters. We need to have a Debate Commission that is not designed by the democratic and republican parties to silence debate about the war. The only thing i will throw in, and we have one of the most brilliant professors on the issue at the table, i want to say that when we compare ourselves to virtually any other country in the world, at the start of the debate process, we x people out. In most other countries in the world, you have the array of candidates out there and they can make their pitch. If they Say Something that connects, you move through the process. All these other countries have dramatically higher turnout. They have dramatically broader debates. I cannot understand why the United States allows representatives of two Political Parties and a group of corporate donors to essentially defined how we debate in this country. Its not healthy. Im not going to give you every inch and say i think there can be thresholds, but i do think the threshold that ought to exist is if you are on enough ballots to get elected president of the United States amy jill stein, i want to ask about your lawsuit. What is your allegation . Ms. Stein that they colluded in violation of sec rules and laws. They colluded between the campaigns and the super packs and this was the whole basis of the Citizens United ruling, that there would be an ironclad wall here, a firewall between super packs and unlimited socalled independent money. There was very obvious and clear evidence of collusion between republicans and their super packs. Amy can you give an example . Ms. Stein for example, there were emails that were leaked that show that high officials and emails addressed to Hillary Clinton, talking about how they would be collaborating with the super pacs on strategy, on dealing with gop candidates, and among the republicans, they rotated from right out of the trunk campaign into the super way, which is an ironclad to ensure that theres very close coordination on strategy. Mr. Nader let me jump in here. Theres almost open collaboration between supertex and the candidates. And the reason why they do it is the ultimate collusion is the iseral Election Commission split right down the middle, and theyn and democrat never can make a decision. They do nothing. We made major complaints with huge documentation and they do nothing. They dont even send complaints to the accused. They just sit on it. It is split right down the middle, built for deadlock, built for the entrenched twoparty tyranny. As far as the Debate Commission, by what authority do public debates for public elections at the president ial level be corporatized . The debate corporation is a corporation. It is funded by corporations. It is relayed by media corporations to the public. Partieseated by the two which are corporations. We should have public president ial debates all over the country run by public institutions. Now then is reporting allimportant state with florida, with 72 of the vote counted, Hillary Clinton 49. 9 , among trump 47. 3 . Amy we want to thank rishaad robinson who was joining us from florida, and also jill stein. Open inolls are still many places in the country and even places where they were supposed to close, like North Carolina. Theyve been extended in certain areas. Also want to thank john ni chols who will be back with us, Julianne Malveaux, ralph nader, and professor khalidi staying with us. This is democracy now were going to bring you a music break for a moment. Amy this is democracy now and i am amy goodman with juan gonzalez. Were in the middle of our twohour might be longer, special. Itan 00 p. M. Eastern is 8 00 p. M. Eastern standard time. Polls have now closed in more than half of all u. S. States. The associated dress is reporting that donald trump has won indiana, kentucky, and west virginia. The associated p press reports that Hillary Clinton has won vermont. The key battleground states are still too close to poll. Democrats have picked up one house seat, while the Senate Senate counte the has stayed the same. Democratic senator Patrick Leahy has been reelected in vermont. Republican senator rand paul has been reelected in kentucky. Republican senator tim scott has been reelected in south carolina. Democrats a are attempting to pk up four seats to reclaim the u. S. Senate. In florida, the senate race between marco rubio and his challenger, democrat Patrick Murphy, is too close to call. Voters across the country are deciding more than 160 Ballot Initiatives. Marijuana legalization is on the ballot in nine states. There have been a hand full of lawsuits to extend voting hours, including in North Carolina open eight precinct remain until 8 00 p. M. After computer glitchches. Ralphined now by nader is with us in washington, d. C. Fourtime president ial candidate. Columbia professor Rashid Khalidi is with us. And joining us this hour is eddie glunt. He is chair of the author of democracy in black. We will be bringing you updates throughout these hours. There was a shooting at a polling place, one person is dead. From onean email person who said ththat the polls when of the open until 8 30 p. M. In Durham County and not a clock. And 9 00. Hundreds of people went homeme because ofof the glilitch. I got a email that says 8 30 or 9 00. Lets continue in North Carolina, julia noble malvaeux. Can you talk about what is happening there, both in the president ial race that we dont know the results at this point and the key other races taking place. Carolina is a fascinating state. You have these urban areas and the piedmont triangle, greensboro, winstonsalem and high point and the research and what isgh the other one . Anyway, three of them. You have these trying is that are Huge Population centers which are urban. Then you have the mountains. It is a diverse state. It depends what people come out about, beth purdue, the first female governor lost in 2012. People pat mccoury was able to push a lot of buttons. He is the governor who made transgender bathrooms a huge issue. Others have pulled out of having big events there. As hotly contested and he has he tooknpopular because a social issue he did not have to deal with and turned it into a ballot proposition so he is likely to lose and we hope that he does. They did some redistricting that put some africanamerican folks i wont say in jeopardy but moved their districts around. Ms was amsh alma ada faculty member and had her district moved but i think she will prevail. Deborah ross is exciting. She is a former state legislator. A step a faculty woman. She is a senatorial candidate. She and richard burr are pretty much tied. Richard burr is a special kind of human being. He said that if hillary is elected, that vice Supreme Court seat will stay empty for four years if he has anything to do with it. Didnt he Say Something else about Hillary Clinton . Her picture was on the cover of a gun magazine and he said there shouldld be a bullseye on it. Just a joke. President obama nominated two eminently qualified africanamerican women to the Eastern District of North Carolina and he has singlehandedly blocked both of them from the court. Justice isoes is, delayed in the Eastern District. Being a justice short means justices take on a greater burden and people are waiting longer for their cases to come to trial. Burrs stash Deborah Ross Burr is deborah ross, i hope she can pull it out. You have an increasing latino population, which is good. At the same time, this is the self. Youou go to durham, or unc, would not think you are in the deep south. If you go to asheville, you are in the south. The south has all of that baggage with i it. If the democrats are able to pull this off, it is not a certainty. You mentioned president obama. He traveled to North Carolina several times. He has done Everything Possible to be able to get Hillary Clinton elected. AdoreicanAmerican People president obama. In my book are we better off . I am a little critical, but i do not regret my vote for president obama by any stretch. Lots of african American People so adore him that they are unwilling to be mildly radical of him. Young africanamerican millennials love him. He went to one of the largest unit blackack engineers nationally, North Carolina anti, had a north hugeina a t, had a response there. What he is saying is if you respect me, vote for hillary. Im not sure that the argument cells but i know people are excited to see him come and they may come out for hillary because he has endorsed or so strongly. In a state like North Carolina, that makes the difference. Dont believe the hype that black north carolinians are not voting. It is not the truth. The number of polling places has gone down, so there are fewer opportunities for people to vote. I expect that people, and what ive heard from talking to friends all day, long lines. People staying in line. They are determined to vote. This hype about like people not voting, i have a lot of questions about, what is the subtext . Amy we have some news to announce. That cnn is calling Hillary Clinton has won delaware, the district of columbia, illinois, maryland, new jersey him up massachusetts, rhode island. Donald trump has won oklahoma, mississippi, tennessee. Amy we have some e highprofile races. Tammy duckworth defeated mark kirk in a highprofile race. Nbc news projecting. That is in illinois, a place that you know well, should colony Rashid Khalidi. Where you worked and lived. We have this breaking news out of florida that marco rubio has been reelected to the u. S. Senate in florida. You can join us in conversation, online on facebook. Using the dmvote. We are talking about this historic election. People are gathering at the jacob javits center, not far from where we are now. That is Hillary Clintons gathering. A lot has been made of the glass ceiling. Will she crash through it . Not meant in a violent sense. And in rochester, new york there is a live stream of Susan B Anthony Susan B Anthonys tombstone. Hundreds of people have been going and putting stickers i voted. Susan b anthony, the great suffragist. I voted today is the sticker they are using. They have kept the cemetery opened through the nights of people can continue to come. I am ever going to Mount Hope Cemetery a few years ago. It is also where Frederick Douglass is buried. Frederick douglas who is not just an ally of Susan B Anthony, when it came to voting and suffragettes and supporting the womens right to vote but also a friend. Anthony is buried right next to her sister. Eddie glaude, your thoughts . Eddie write another there are not really any surprises. It is important to understand that North Carolina has been ground zero for the conservative backlash. The Koch Brothers have been particularly, shall we say, aggressive and militant in North Carolina. Excellentint out the i want to point out the excellent work that the naacp has been doing in North Carolina. We are seeing africanamericans early voting across the south. It is at the same level as 2012 or higher. An 18 siana, you see increase. You have seen increases in georgia and florida. It is only in North Carolina where you have seen an 8. 6 decrease. It is everything to do with Voter Suppression and the limiting of the number of polling places, the specific attacks on Voting Rights. Reverend barber will be joining us in about a five minutes from raleigh. Eddie nothing now is surprising. We need to be very careful. Some of us need to be running to careful need to be careful in running to coordinate secretary clinton. My instincts tell me that she will win but we have serious issues that we will confront as a nation. We are deeply divided. I am concerned about how she will govern. Im concerned about the kinds of conversations being had about how will she work with paul ryan. Typically, that involves capitulating to what the right wants her to do. What that will mean in terms of disciplining the left. What we need to do to hold her accountable once she wins. You have to hold anyone accountable. You will not get fed at your mommas house if you dont bring your plate to the table. We did not hold president obama as accountable as we might have, and the takeaway is, matter how enthusiastic you are about Hillary Clinton, the first thing that needs to happen is people need to start planning how to hold her accountable. Ralph nader would like to butt in. You are the odd man out here. We should make a closer link between domestic policy and an interventionist militaristic Foreign Policy. It is destroying this country. All empires eventually destroy themselves. That is the record of history. The issue of empire, the dominant global power. Hillary clinton calls it global leadership, has been taken off the table. It hardly was discussed. Bernie sanders did not spend much time on it. About,hrew some epithets why dont we get along with putin . But he wants to smash his way through the world and he wants a bigger military. We should discuss what will happen before the inauguration in january to bring Hillary Clinton to her senses in terms of talking more about peace, International Treaty negotiations. There is no effort coming out of dateecord to bring up to Nuclear Arms Agreements with russia to my china, russia, china, and others. No discussion of a treaty negotiation with cyber warfare. It is rising to critical masses here. And on the middle east it is nothing but brute force. The israelipalestinian conflict which has radiating impacts throughout the area is off the table. So why dont we talk about that, especially since we have one of the countrys greatest experts from Columbia University on middle east politics and american policy. You, with like to ask either candidate winning, there has been a lot of talk about the rise of the latino vote in the election because of trumps antiimmigrant position, but there has been little discussion of the Muslim Community in the United States and what impact they can have on u. S. Policy in the middle east. They will have to organize themselves like other communities have. They are not quite there. In terms of voting, you will see a lot of votes going against trump because of his horrific antimuslim positions. Amy this wasnt always the case. Not at all. A lot of Muslim Americans were attracted to the Republican Party but trump has horrified them. There will be a big vote. These are people in states like new jersey, which has already gone for hillary contin, and michigan Hillary Clinton, and michigan. Amy it looks like it is m moren play than we thought a week ago. Eddie that it rashid the detroit area is the largest concentration of Muslim Americans. Secretary clinton said things that were almost insulting, you have to spy on each other the cause are afraid some of you are disloyal. She did not say, your americans, we want you. Amy how does mr. Khan fit into the story . Rashid that was a wonderful thing. You have to be a soldier or a veteran to get onto the national radar. It was a very good thing. From muslimtion americans we really didnt see. Julianne dont you think that the relationship the two of them have developed can be used to get her to talk more to Muslim Americans . I think there is a clear respect. He has gone beyond using the Convention Platform to do serious amy and she made a commercial with him to directly address donald trump. Lets go to the issue of empire as you describe it. Israel, palestine, syria, russia. Iran are nota and going to allow the assad regime to fall. This administration, and many other country said, we want to bring the assad regime down. If you want it you have to beat the russians and iranians in syria. Like it or not. It will not be pleasant. Not wantingident, to intervene or allow American Allies to intervene we have a freeforall where socalled American Allies are supporting some of the nastiest, most extreme islamistallies to intere business, including People Associated with al qaeda. We and our allies. They have multiple problems there. How do you deal with the russians . It is not just syria, it is also nato. President bush senior and secretary baker told gorbachev we are not going to advance nato into Eastern Europe. We will not advance into east germany if you allow the invocation of east of germany. The unification of germany. Where is that pledge . Russia now being in poland and the ukraine and latvia i dont understand. If you talk, as jill stein did, about the arms industry, you consider logic. But i do not to the logic in terms of national interest. Those things all have to be addressed. They have not been part of the debate. Whereder one country president obama did succeed was with gaddafi and now we have that republicans focusing more on benghazi than the failed state that resulted. What pressure can be brought to bear on a Clinton Administration on libya . Rashid the Clinton Administration will have to get tough with American Allies. There is a civil war going on with the british on one side and the french on the other. American allies, using american weapons, nato allies, are fighting each other. Through libya, there is one Group Supporting the benghazi government and one Group Supporting the tripoli government. The president of the United States should get up and say, either an arms embargo on countries using american weapons to fight American Allies . Really . In the middle, you have the Islamic State taking advantage. We have an even worse situation where the United States allies are some earning people who are violently opposed to the United States, who are dangerous, radical islamists. Where are we going to call the saudis on their support of the bigoted, fanatical types of islam . Amy president obama visited saudi arabia more than some american states. Why this relationship . Rashid money. Boeing. General dynamics. Real estate. Citibank. Oil. You have to talk about the people who buy and own senators. Amy the largest weapons deal in the history of the world. All american weapons. My daughter is an archaeologist. The museum and all of the work that she and three other teams have deposited, all of the artifacts were flattened. No military target. The saudis just took it out. That has happened all over yemen. They are not just killing people they are destroying heritage. Those are american weapons. In your mind, is there anything about Hillary Clintons foreignpolicy agenda that would suggest the fundamentals of that reality will change . Rashid one of the things the president did that i was the most supportive of was his opening to iran. If she can maintain that openness to iran, a willingness to see if the policies can be moderated, that would be a good thing. Im not terribly optimistic. Look at the people she has surrounded herself with. Julianne i dont think there is any inclination that she would discontinue the obama openness. Rashid i hope so. Julianne the way that they have worked together suggests that there have been conversations about the fluidity and continuity. John kerry as secretary of state has done work. Openness,u say obama human with regard to iran . Oer his openness with her not to drone or his openness with openness to drone wars . Julianne i think you knew what i meant. He was trying to get a point in. In some ways, the buy we are giving Hillary Clinton in the debate around Foreign Policy, many folks on the left, or those who support obama have given him a bye with regard to his positions. Rashid the thing that kills me about hawkish intervention, that disturbs me about them, is that they will never win over the Republican Base which just once to bomb, kill, and have the republican have the United States intervene everywhere. Those people,ore face them down, succeed with your policy and show that you can do Something Else then use force and ali your way around bully your way around the world. Im not optimistic because she is surrounded by people like michele flournoy, or others who are agitating for the ukraine to enter nato. She was the secretary for Eastern Europe when hillary was at the state department. Dennis ross, who sabotaged what the president and senator mitchell were trying to do between the palestinians and israelis. Mitchell was a president ial envoy. Dennis ross picked up by hillary and brought to the state department. If she follows some of the leads that the president followed, we might be better off. Julianne one of the challenges is that americans are not sufficiently vested in foreignpolicy. While people are prepared to talk about Social Security, Marriage Equality come a or any other number of issues, the layperson is not prepared to have a conversation about Foreign Policy. We have a large military community of veterans and others who basically believe in militarism. Some do and some dont. Some of my best students are veterans who have been in iraq and afghanistan and understand perfectly well the stupidity of those policies. You cannot create progress by force of arms. Amy ralph nader, your response . Mr. Nader that is right. Veterans for peace had an occasion in washington, d. C. , it was blanked out by the media, but if you poll returning veterans, before they returned, they came out against continued u. S. Presence in these countries. They say, the people dont want us, what are we doing . We are only going to make more attacks in the area. They know it is comingg here. For anybody here who is worried about domestic priorities, consider we have created with the war on terrorism more fighters, more countries embroiled, they are learning new weapons, new techniques, they are coming here on social media. The lone wolf thing is expanding. Once that blows here, forget about domestic priorities. It will be total blacked out and crowded up with terror, terror, terror. That is why hillary has to be extremely careful and restrain her hawkishness and have a piece department, instead of a militarized Peace Department instead of a militarized department. That hillaryhink clinton as secretary of state has learned anything from the debacle in libya . Does she consider it a debacle . Rashid i dont know what she considers. It was a partisan issue. She will not say anything about it. I am concerned about the kind of people she has surrounded herself with in the past. I hope she has learned from some of the things that this administration tried to do and in many cases failed to do. What this is missed ration has done is to follow less foolish and dangerous policies. Amy speaking of veterans and the israelpalestine conflict, mark kirk, who just lost his senate seat in illinois, was the number one recipient of proisrael money, according to nathan gottman. Rashid i have not talked about palestine but that is another place where israel, with credit to senator mitchell, tried to do the right thing which was to bring all of the palestinians, including hamas to the table. Mitchell had the track record to do that. Lobbyas derailed by the with the point man being dennis ross at state. I still remember resounding in my ears Hillary Clintons speech at apoc. It was not a speech that would give any indication rashid on the other hand, she had a rough experience with benjamin netanyahu. The president s difficult relationship may well carry over. The day that the american president realizes the base of the Democratic Party has moved. Just because rich people give her money and want her to keep the policy on israel does not mean the American Jewish community, or young americans, or latinos, or those who make up the base of the Party Support those changes. The change is supremely rapid. Juan it looks like it is going to be a long night here. Cnn with eddie at percent of the vote count in florida, trump leads Hillary Clinton by 28 votes. Are too close to call in North Carolina, new pshire, ohio, dania pennsylvania, and virginia. Clinton is ahead 51. 6 to trumps 46 . What you were saying about North Carolina, she does seem the opening a lead to the opening a lead there. Amy with 56 of the vote, emperor ross is at 49. 5 and richard burr 47. 5 . Julianne durham is still open. That is a city that is heavily africanamerican. If you are in North Carolina, get to the polls. Please, baby, please. Amy final comments. On what you want to see happen. What do you think donald trump has he put or what forward when it comes to israel, russia, palestine, syria . Rashid he wasnt saying anything consistent or sensible about foreignpolicy. To talk about the trump foreignpolicy is almost impossible. Amy he said he did not want to reveal anything to the enemy. [laughter] rashid he said a couple sensible things about russia. Russia is a difficult country to deal with but our policy has been foolish. There is no reason for nato to be sticking its fingers up the nostrils of russia. It is absurd. They are not going to give up easily on syria. It is very close to them. It is like the bahamas or nicaragua. It is important to them. You will have to cut a deal and tame your allies. I dont think trump can understand what we are talking about. Amy why does he respond to putin . Rashid i think it is the strong man thing. Has totalitarian, dictatorial and instincts dictatorial in sticks. Julianne you can talk about to tell a terry is a more authoritarianism, but because we have not you can talk about totalitarianism, or authoritarianism, but because we havent seen his tax statements, i suggest he may have investments. We know he has a global tort and many Global Investors are in russia. I would not be surprised. Have another senate race being projected. Nbc is saying that todd young wins the senate over evan. That is one that the democrats were hoping to pick off. What was a percentage . I dont have that here. That is a blow to any democratic hopes of taking the senate. There are quite a few battleground races for the senate but have to come e in. Amy the incumbent, dan coats, is retiring. I know that you have to go. Professor Rashid Khalidi, thank you for being with us. Your most recent book, brokers of defeat. People should not fear. We still have many authors at the table. Julianne malveauxs latest book are we better off . Obama and Public Policy. Eddie glaude is here in studio who has written a book, chair of the department of africanamerican studies at instant. His latest at princeton. His latest ralph nader has written many books. Among them, what is the latest book you would like to talk about . Breaking through power is easier than we think . That is the book for people who want to do things between elections back home and congressional d districts. Congngress is the most powowerfl branch. It can expand a Progressive Society or block a Progressive Society. What we need to recognize is less than 1 of the people are organized around issues that are already supported by conservatives and liberals and there are a lot that are not double sized back home and can overcome corporate forces in washington. The basic citizens summons of members of congress to town meetings around agendas created by the citizenry back home, turning a complete dynamic from members of congress choreographing the masses of people and flattering them, to members of congress being being accountable to open town meetings all over the country. Book breakingis through power demonstrates throughout history and contemporary activity. Amy why dont you expand on what you were saying earlier . You were talking about a mass gathering of people. If Hillary Clinton is elected tonight, or tomorrow, and we can talk about what it means if donald trump is elected, or perhaps you could say, either. When you were talking about Bernie Sanders and what he was calling a revolution. He is out with a book and campaigning on the book and his agenda. What he needs to do as he goes around the country is mobilize a mass rally in washington with decentralized rallies around the country behind the Progressive Agenda so that he has real power in the senate. Hillary clinton will be very worried about the 2018 senate three times more democrats will be up than republicans. Even if she wins the senate now, she could lose it dramatically in 2018. He has the social media geniuses. He can raise a lot of money and hire fulltime organizers all over the country. I have often bewailed bernie because he has been a lone ranger for so long, he doesnt return calls, he doesnt network committed to groups the way senator Paul Wellstone did. He has changed. He broke new ground. He showed you can raise 235 million in tiny donations forsaking super packs and fatcat fundraisers. Now he has to go to a new level. He will have sharon brown, sherod brown, elizabeth warren. Otherwise it is the status quo of what we have seen. Hillary clinton, the candidate of wall street and more. As you know, transforming an Election Movement into a more lasting organization is a tough task. Didnt Bernie Sanders start out trying to create a new Political Organization to put forth his Political Revolution but immediately ran into trouble with differences between himself and key organizers . Rashid those mr. Nader those were staff revokes from mr. Weaver, the person running our organization. That has abated because he left. They can raise money. Bernie has support from populist developing, using social media to raise large amounts of money in small denominations. If mr. Weaver starts taking money in large denominations, that is what is reflected in your question. That will dilute and compromise the effort. They dont need to do that. The geniuses who raised the money for him are now saying it can continue, year after year. It is quite an unprecedented base of resource and fulltime organizers. Eddie why doesnt it have to happen at the level of Bernie Sanders organizing . Why cant it be at the number of mass mobilizations that have a mass implication . Why do we need to rely on the charisma of Bernie Sanders or the infrastructure of Bernie Sanderss Election Campaign to have the kind of wildcat expressions organizing, mass mobilizing across the e country . Mr. Nader you are right. You dont need that. Im just talking about his impact in congress. He has to have a base that the base will never grow without local fervor, and local organizing on issues that are all over the country. Clintonsof the way the choreographed the congress and how many deals they cut with the republicans like repatriating trillions of dollars from overseas profits for a small tax trab, which they are already talking to paul ryan and Mitch Mcconnell about, that is where bernie needs a base. There is no base without local power. Julianne bernie has the momentum and that is something we cannot ignore. There are a long people who feel marginalized even if they vote for hillary. They still say that they feel the bern. The challenge that ralph has pointed out well is that bernie seems to not have the personality to engage. They are extremely impressive the lesson has to be for our voters that voting is up the most you can do, it is the least you can do. Hillary should be worried about 2018. We could have major losses in the senate and we should all be worried about 2020 because, assuming that hillary wins, is the trump machine come roaring back . Amy we are not there yet. Hillary clinton has not been coordinated yet. Nbc news has called the house of representatives for the republicans. We will see what happens in the senate that it is a serious blow to the democrats desire to take the senate with todd young, the republican, winning the Indiana Senate seat, beating out evan bayh. Nate silver of 538 said that republicans chances of winning the senate are up to 69 after indiana and florida calls for the gop. Rubio has retained his seat despite saying he would not run but once he gave up his president ial bid he went back to that. Between thece moment when president obama was ifcted in 2008 and today, Hillary Clinton is elected, in 2008, all of the different moments movements joining president o elect obama, he immediately said he would close guantanamo in a year andand the end the wars, he became as many of his allies called him, the to porter in the deporter in chief, deporting more than any immigrants in history. Not closing guantanamo. Afghanistan is the longest war in history. The people backed off. The racistse attacked him and the Birther Movement from donald trump and they did not want to contribute to that and they thought he might actually do this and it could be a great disservice to him and this country. Like thatothing feeling when it comes to Hillary Clinton. The on Favorability Ratings they keep touting today. The issue of trust especially a lung millennials and going up across the population even if she is elected by those who elected her. In one sense, people are already chomping at the bit, waiting to race out of the gate. Would you say that, ralph nader . Mr. Nader we would like to see that happen, but it doesnt happen without fulltime organizers. Look at any movement in our countrys history. Rights movement, fulltime organizers in the field, womens rights movement. We never ask that question. When you say why dont we have all, half as for expensive as it is now, look at canada. Arent a dozenre fulltime people pushing for it. When the pentagon isnt audited, half of the governments operating budget is going crazy redundancy,ion and how many are around the country trying to get the audit of the pentagon . Zero. Deploy why we have to into the congressional districts and say, look, it is congress on the table here. We will not deal with the executive branch unless you deal with congress. The taxing power and the war power. That is where the emphasis will be. How many organizers can you field . Always the question that should be asked. On another topic, if Hillary Clinton does win, she has promised to move forward on copperheads of Immigration Reform in her first 100 days. We heard from president obama when he was running that he would move on Immigration Reform. That did not happen. Do you think that even if the republicans retain the senate, there has been enough experience from the Republican Party with the suicidal nature of continuing not to deal with this issue of what to do with immigration in this country, that there will be a majority to achieve comprehension of copperheads if Immigration Reform comprehensive Immigration Reform. Mr. Nader if it reaches a point where both parties want to get it off the table and put it behind them, they can put it together. Only if the turmoil and the nonresolution of the immigration issue continues to put the pressure. Times when both parties in Congress Just what to get rid of an issue, like they want to get rid of the palestinianisraeli issue, so they result in favor of the Israeli Military machine and occupation. That is what will have to happen. It will involve a lot of elements in our society, other than the people who have most at stake. Julianne marco rubio, going back to the senate, bad news for the democrats in terms of the count but it may be decent news in terms of Immigration Reform. Before he tilted, as he was running for president , worked with a Bipartisan Group in putting together a plan that did have reasonable features to it. That is something that perhaps he and Hillary Clinton can Work Together on. I think ralph is right. You have to have the disruption and the pain. This is something that isnt going to go away. Mexico is our contiguous neighbor. The fact that we took mexico. In any case, the fact is our contiguous neighbor we are interdependent. It is not going away. Reforms that we have so often seen are not good. We need something very copperheads of the talks about protecting very comprehensive that talks about protecting these families. What is the path of citizenship that does not fourth force them to leave the country. Be a difficult issue to come out of the blocks and embrace. It has everything to do with what we are hearing now, the echo chamber it she has to bring the country together. When i am listening to republicans and people on the right, they say she needs to hit the question around infrastructure. That is something that both sides can come to terms with. Come together on. What will drive Immigration Reform is the indisputable fact of the latino vote. If the numbers are what we think they are, and the community is organized as it looks to be, there will be pressure from below to bring this issue to some form of resolution. I agree that marco rubio opens up space and we wanted to go away. And we have to organize people to get this involved. The Latino Community is preparing itself. As complicated and differentiated as a community is. Also around the question of puerto rico. How she will respond, i am not sure. Julianne the Latino Committee needs to be well advised to the Progressive Community that are not latino. The problem that many of us have our with blackbrown tension. Latinos do not take black jobs. They are not taking black peoples jobs. First, nobody had a name on the job, but making people legal makes labor competition a different animal. When you can pay some of the less and somebody else, you will hire the person who you can pay under the table. The Latino Community is going to have to open conversations with progressive africanamericans. We had samples of this, with dream defenders in florida. This extraordinary Grassroots Organization that has been on the front lines with regards to Immigration Reform as well as speaking to the question of police brutality. This goes to the earlier point that ralph nader made. It is important to link that point to the presence of Rashida Robinson earlier. Andsuper pac around d. A. s how it is linked up with various chicago,s, py100 in black lives matters, where you can see people not trying to focus on the electoral cycle but thinking about organizing and conceding a broader kind of politics that goes beyond coordinating the next president. Julianne you keep saying coordinating, but i dont see any coordinating influence. She fought like hell. There are a lot of folks coordinating. Amy i want to get to that, but i want to ask ralph nader, before you leave about any of the Ballot Initiatives you are particularly following. There is Marijuana Legalization on the ballot in nine states and it looks like florida voters have overwhelmingly approved the amendment legalizing medical marijuana. I think it is Something Like 5 of the population could legally partake in marijuana before today, and if all of the amendments or Ballot Initiatives pass, it will be 25 of the country. That is astotounding. What else are you looking at . Mr. Nader three quick comments. Four states have minimum wage on. 2012, four conservative states passed minimum wage such as arkansas. Maybe that will build the pressure on congress to lift up wage. 25 federal minimum that is a good sign. I think they will win. The two dollar additional tax on tobacco in california is a good onei think they will too becausl be used for good purposes. Here is the dilemma. You have nine states going for legalization of marijuana. You have no efforts dealing with Industrial Hemp which can create all kinds of jobs and has thousands of uses, but is banned in terms of growing in this country. We imported from canada, romania, china. It is used for energy, fuel, paper, food, lubrication, auto parts. This is the amazing example that the huge effort to legalize marijuana is not bringing along with it getting off the dea prescribed list, one of the greatest plants in the history of the world, Industrial Hemp. Isnt that amazing . The dichotomy that no one is talking about . Amy i will also say that florida, according to the drug policy alliance, to become the first state in the south to legalize medical marijuana. For those, it has been legalized for those with specific medical conditions including cancer, epilepsy, glaucoma, m. S. , a aids, and other critical conditions. Caregivers would be licensed by the state. It would not legalize nonmedical use or possession. Other initiatives. We are talking about over 160. There are more now than there have been in over a decade. Mr. Nader a lot of them are reforms of government processes, as in connecticut. The important thing about the initiative to begin to shield it from corporate takeover. They used the initial processes may have in california against the interest of the people and the initial process was designed to circumvent captured lawmakers by commercial interests and let the people right the laws, repeal the laws were recall legislators. It is write the laws, repeal the laws, or recall legislators. We need to get more states to adopt the initiative of referendum recall east of the mississippi where there are not that many. Amy 69, the citizeninitiated constitutional amendment which if passed would finance universal health care. Mr. Nader that is another good one in colorado. That is a nip and tuck race. Colorado could be the first to have singlepayer, in effect. That could spread around the country. Lets face it. There are certain things that have to be done through congress. That is why i emphasized in my book breaking through power, the growth of Congress Watchdog groups if they reflect majority opinion, they can defeat the Health Insurance industrial complex. They can defeat Corporate Power as long as they represent a growing leftright consensus of main street over wall street, against the concentrated takeover of the corporate state. They can defeat it. Onhave to get zerofocused 535 people. 20 are already on the side of progressive causes. Amy big pharma has poured 100 million into the Ballot Initiative in california that would reduce the cost of drugs. Mr. Nader there is an example. All the initiative does is say that california buying drugs shouldnt pay more than what the Veterans Administration or the department of defense pays in terms of mass wholesale bargaining. There putting 100 million to defeat that. Theyre using the Initiative Process to boomerang against the state legislature. The state legislature says, oh gee, it lost in the vote. What are we going to do in sacramento . It nullifies the overwhelming them a critic party Democratic Party control of the state legislature. Want to talk about a suspect subject that has not received much attention but has had an impact on the race. You, the professor at princeton university, the skyrocketing cost of student debt, what degree did the despair of people over student debt help fuel Bernie Sanders and have an impact on this race as well . We know that student debt sits high on the agenda as they try to imagine not only the value of the degree, but the prospects of their future. They are asking questions and they are asking questions of whetherparty duopoly, or not democrats are on the side nothem, or whether or republican policies have in some way created the environment, that has some way held their future hostage. I think that we need to keep track of the way that millennials have participated in this election cycle. Many of my students i taught a seminar on James Baldwin this monday, and for some this was their first election. Participating in their first election. We know the trendlines. How you vote first will dictate how you vote over the next 10 to 15 years. Some data will suggest that. They say that they find themselves repulsed by the entire process because they do not feel as if Hillary Clinton or donald trump offers a viable solution to the problems that they think they will face. I think you are absolutely right. Julianne when we look at student debt and the cost of higher education, we have seen the unbridled increases in the cost of higher ed. Almost twice that of inflation. Even more in these past few years when you have not seen inflation increasing. The average student graduating with 30,000 of debt but nearly half of all students having no debt, which means the average is much higher. Africanamerican students having even more debt. The pell grant, having been flat for the past decade, with president obama might have raised a by 100 or something. When president bush came in, he race it by another couple hundred dollars. Whose parents make less than 35,000 come with a guaranteed 5,500. Where does the rest of the money come from . It is basically loans, unless they are brilliant and have scholarships. Bernie excited people by talking about free tuition. From my perspective, it was first at public schools. I was president of a private college. For private colleges, that is a big question, but he never said how it would be paid for. What the federal government make the states open up a school like the university of North Carolina and say that it has to be free . How would the fred fed incent the state to do that. Hillary has talked more about Student Loans she has not said free. Students are concerned because the amount of debt that they carry, given a tepid labor market, basically postpones their adulthood. People marry later because they have more student debt. People live in their moms basement because they have student debt. Theyre trying to get that paid off before they buy a home. That has Economic Impacts because we have projections that say the average person buys a home every year, but now it is pushed back out. People have zipped around it, but they have not talked about a comprehensively. I dont think either the bernie plan or the hillary plan was a perfect plan. Amy we have to break for just a minute, then we will come back at the clock eastern time. At 9 00 eastern time. More than half the polls in the country have closed. I want to thank ralph nader, longtime advocate and 410 president ial candidate. Julianne malveaux and eddie glaude, thank you for joining us. Thomas franks and reverend barber willie joining us. Now. This is democracy war, peace, and the presidency. I am amy goodman with juan gonzalez. We are doing a five hour, maybe plus special tonight. N polls of just closed in new york, minnesota, north dakota, colorado, texas, arizona, and wyoming. The battleground states of florida, North Carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, and virginia are all too close to call. So far, clinton has won delaware, rhode island, massachusetts, illinois, district of columbia, vermont, maryland, new jersey. Donald trump has won alabama, south carolina, oklahoma, mississippi, tennessee, indiana, kentucky, and west virginia. Nbc is projecting republicans will retain control of the house. Democrats continue to battle for the senate. In a Key Senate Race in illinois, democrat tammy beath eat incumbent incumbent mark kirk. While evan by has been defeated in indiana. In florida, senator marco rubio has been reelected, defeating Patrick Murphy. Than 160 initiatives are on the ballot in 35 states today. In florida, a medical Marijuana Initiative has passed by a landslide, that now legalizes marijuana use for specific medical conditions including cancer, epilepsy, glaucoma, parkinsons. Saysrug policy alliance this means florida has now become the first state in the south to pass medical Marijuana Legalization. Meanwhile, in rochester, new york, there are still long lines at the grave of Susan B Anthony, who died 110 years ago. 14 years before women won the right to vote in the u. S. Chicago voters are placing i voted stickers on ida b wells great site. We are joined by four guests, some of them knew, some staying with us. Is joining us from washington, d. C. Professor eddie cloud is still departmentair of the of africanamerican studies at princeton university, author of the mocker see in black. Democracy in black. And Julian Malveaux is still economist,bor her new book isnd are we better off . She is the former president of Bennett College in North Carolina. And joining us from North Carolina is william barber, president of the North Carolina and italy cp. His most recent book, third reconstruction. Yourend barber, lets go to in raleigh. North carolina is still too close to call, but what can you tell us on the ground . You is thatan tell we have a massive turnout effort here. We have 1200 temples, mosques, churches turning out volunteers. We have put out over half a million robo calls. Every one of the naacp branches are adopting precincts. Media got it wrong when they said the black vote was down in North Carolina. Therectually happened was was monster Voter Suppression. The Republican Party sent a memo asking the voter boards to reflect republican policies and not the constitution of the court. In 158ng that, they put less early voting sites than we 8 and 2012. Even during the flood, they extend voting hours. We have been battling back against that. They also purged thousands of voters from the voter rolls. Uptick nowng an because all the precincts are open. Had a glitch this morning in durham. We are fighting hard down there because what we tell people is, donald trump is talking about. Hat he will do in North Carolina, we have seen what extremism will do. Our government rollback Voting Rights, cut back medicaid expansion, cut back the earned income tax, cut a billion sentrs from education and 13 million to private schools our children cannot afford to go to. Our government attacked living wages. We know what republican policies look like. That is why we dont have the option of sitting out this election. And the opening of some of these polling places beyond closing time, do you think that will have a major impact in thes of assuring that africanamerican vote is not as suppressed . Two things will assure it. We have said to the people go to the polls, stand and stay. Do not leave. We have fought to hard to beat back all the systemic Voter Suppression to just walk away from the polls, but yes, it will help, because people who left will be able to come back, and now if you are in line at 8 30 p. M. , you will still be able to vote. We are telling people stay, stay, stay. If there is any question about your ballot, you have the right to vote a provisional ballot. Last night, i was at the church for two hours, three hours, 300 people showed up for a call in rally. Todig calls did calls voters. We are fighting. And i contend that at the end of the day and this is something we did not talk about during the debates. We need to remember these numbers. 181, 26, 30 1, 13. What are those . If you can control the 13 former confederate states, you start out with 101 electoral votes. You control 31 of the United States house of representatives, which means you only need 20 of the other 37 states. 13 governors, 13 general assemblies. That is what the extremists of the Republican Party, that is their crown jewel. As we are breaking through and that is why they are fighting so hard in virginia and you breakecause when through in virginia and florida and you upset a solid style solid south, you have changed politics in america. I believe the reconstruction of politics is being shown in the way we are now turning states that were once considered battlegrounds. Quick some breaking news from reuters. Donald trump projected to win kansas, texas, wyoming, nebraska, north and south dakota. Hillary clinton has won new york. We know earlier she won vermont. Polls closed at 7 00 and there immediate announcement also in illinois. An insider is saying in North Carolina in Durham County at least six precincts reported software malfunctions. The glitches prompted a countywide switch to using paper rolls, causing one precinct to run out of authorization to low forms. End up hurting Hillary Clinton. Nearly 40 of the Durham County voters are black. They went overwhelmingly to barack obama in 2012. Paul krugman tweeted that north might be decisive if trump wins the suppression of black votes. You look at what happened today with the race driven general assembly. This shows us what is so diabolical. We talk about trump and his the racism of ryan, mcconnell, boehner, that they have set on fixing the voting ,ights act for over 1200 days ever since the civil thats the longest since the filibuster of act. Ivil rights look at racism. Systematic racism is clear when you look at the way Voter Suppression is alive and well. Voter fraud is alive. Voter suppression voter fraud is a lie, but Voter Suppression is alive and well. People are staying at the polls. We did have a computer glitch. We disagreed with the state about going to the paper book and checking off that you are who you say you are, but inside those precincts have said to me we are not going anywhere, we are going to stay here and vote. We did go to court this evening, go the judge would not beyond a onehour extension. But that in itself was a major victory. In other places we were able to win extensions of 30 or 45 minutes. But make no doubt about it. This is a battle for the soul of this country, and once again the south is right in the middle of it, just like it was in the 1800s and in the civil rights movement, and we are seeing the falling of the solid south as a southern strategy. We have to stay strong, keep organizing, keep fighting. We are joined by thomas frank. Welcome to democracy now. Great to be here. Your take on the election right now . Well, its amazing that a sort of lone idiot, you know, campaigning around the country like donald trump was doing has been able to go up against the collective might of the celebrities of america, the Democratic Party, every editorial page in america, and has done as well as he has. It sort of startling. I have been watching the returns come in, and he is looking and strong inida North Carolina. Shocking sort of some results in virginia. He won my home state of kansas. I think hillary is going to pull it off by the end of the evening, but i just keep going to the bankruptcy of corporate liberalism, the sort of liberalism that has been building for the last couple of , that they cant beat a guy like donald trump who what can we say about this man said . Asnt already been he is a buffoon. The fact that he has any chance at all is shocking to me. The real question tonight is the the form of liberalism we have these days in the Democratic Party. Amy what do you mean by that . Its a liberalism of the rich. There are a lot of good people. I went out and voted for hillary. The reverend barber is one of the people i admire most in this country. He gave, for my money, the best speech in the democratic convention. A lot of really good people are aligned with the Democratic Party and working hard for Hillary Clinton, but at the end of the day, her form of liberalism is a liberalism of the rich. The speeches to the wall street banks. This is not just because they are funding her. This is a form of idealism for her that she really believes in the world. On in this is not a good time to be that kind of democrat. Was going through the Podesta Emails that got wikileaks. Leaked via the thing that comes through you can put all the individual scandals and embarrassing statements that alis people people may,these you can put that aside, but the thing that gets to you when you read through these is that all of these people, whether they worked for the clinton foundation, or that firm, they all know each other and are all friends. Its not just the revolving door between the Treasury Department and wall street. Here a date revolving door in washington, d. C. , and people are disgusted with it. I saw you shaking your head a little bit there. Is, is itwas thinking really liberalism . I dont think we have seen a liberal in the white house since perhaps lbj, who really wasnt a liberal. We have seen neoliberals. Absolutely, we see the revolving door. They switched jobs. Podesta is a good example. As i am listening, i am thinking about the conversation with jill earlier about how you get out of this to properly. Wobbly duopoly. The other thing is really the development of robust alternative parties. Bernie and his colleagues really need to be looking at congressional districts that have changed demographically in the same way the nation has so that we can talk in 2016 about who is going to run in 2018. That is how you break the logjam. You say lets Start Building this person of now. What tends to happen is that people come in nine months before hand and they dont have the funding or anything else. Ofssic definitions liberalism i think when out a long time ago. On this issue of donald trump being a buffoon, as tom called him,m, the democratic c party hs filed lalawsuits in four oh alleging states, trump and the Republican Party are conspiring to threaten and intimidate minority voters. 2016,uld have thought in every which way, we are talking about the ku klux klan . Whether it is the paper endorsement, the david duke and is meant of donald trump enenrsement of donald trump, or now this l lawsuit invoking the ku klux klan act. It shows that number one, we have never really dealt with the power of richard nixon. We also make the mistake of making trumped the bogey man rather than recognizing that he what thelgamation of Republican Party has done for the last 40 or 50 years in terms of race and class issues and divide and conquer. We talk about liberal and conservative, but we need a , a progressive one that we are e not ashamed of tht puts race and class at the center and we need to deal from the bottom up. I am convinced that trump in some ways was used as a distraction and i will tell you what i mean. We have a grownup conversation about racism, it is not just whether you retweet words by david duke, unknown white supremacist, its the fact that you stand up and say you are going to cut repeal obama care and not deal with the fact that that is 3 million africanamericans who will be removed from 19 states that have decided not to do medicaid expansion. Its when you say you believe the minimum wage is too high and yoyou are not going to raise a 54 of all african aericans make less than living wage. We went through all of these debates, even the primaries, and we did not spend one hour on fixing the votining rights act a living wage. E. We wenent through all of these debates anand where a candidate stood on dealing with Voter Suppression. We cannot allow that to go on because we and up talking about klan,duke, the ku klux and not really dealing with a and bringing it to the four in a way that is really tell with. Think sometimes my socalled liberal friends want to play around the edges. They say things like lets figure out how we can talk about economics, and not really talk about the race issue. We have to deal with it. I have heard commentators say the race trump plays card thats too simplistic. There is nothing simplistic about racism. He has gotten black people to support him and his race driven agenda. Aat we have to do is have deeper moral intersection or fusion agenda that brings blacks, whites, and latinos together, helping them understand their common lives together, and then working from the bottom up. We are not going to ultimately be able to stop people like trump working from the bottom down and calling out a few black surrogates to speak. We have to show people how his type of policies will endanger their lives, their childrens lives, and the very soul of this country. That is why we have over 22 states doing a moral revival. There is a lot of hunger for that. There is a deep hunger for us to the moral citizenry, to take on the socalled religious right, to frame issues not just is being democratic or liberal, but moral issues, constitutional issues, issues at the heart and soul of this democracy. I hope that there if there is a victory tonight, democrats will not simply save we made it, we beat trump. 40 of the country is voting for him. Hes competitive in states where he shouldnt even be competitive. Serious, harde a look at where we are in this country and how we are going to move forward in the 21st century. X the guardian is now reporting which is again, a key state and still much too close to call even with more than 90 of the vote counted, that thirdparty candidates jill stein and gary johnson are polling at twice the rate that ralph nader did in 2000, which thirdparty candidates could play a vital role in the final vote. Your take . Ice on social media that see onare already i social media the people are already circling the wagons and attacking jill stein. I think we are going to be back to where we were with the recriminations in 2000. Vote. Wrestle with the there is a lot that passes among , either about the vote people refusing to vote for clinton or insisting that clinton is the only choice. I think it is a form of callousness. With whoeople wrestle they vote for, and i think it is to already be looking at recriminations and blaming a third party for doing what clinton cannot do. Neoliberalism. Is is also using the fear of trump to hold the Obama Coalition together. Trying to expand it and include votes, but i think we have seen an increasing move by democrats out of desperation because trump is a lunatic and objectively more dangerous than clinton. In the short term. I think when tony nizam is the clund on which trump intoniism is the ground on which trump grows. I reject this fear. I am enthusiastic about prison the about Hillary Clinton. For itt voting for trump i voting for hillary. This atritten about length. I think she understands race in a way that Bernie Sanders doesnt. I think she does get race. , do you want to talk about the blood test . Or will i let you talk about the blood test . Reverend barber has just two more minutes. Why dont you talk about the blood test . Friend is telling me i have to check with the lawyers because some of these polls are closing. No trump without an obama. If we dont deal with the reality that this is about psychic imagination there are people voting for trump because they have been in psychic distress for seven years over president obama. Even though he has done many things to appease that. The fact is, their entire world has been messed up. Him, you lie,ells its, you lie, you are not even real. We cant forget when schoolchildren looked at the tv obama wasdent speaking to the nation. We are dealing with a psychic trauma many people have gone through simply by seeing a black man in a white house built by slaves. That is another piece of the race argument. This is the blood test. There are things in this country that black people and white have suffered blood four. The right to vote, Public Education. We have died and bled to be included in Social Security. We died and bled for affirmative action. Waysed and bled in many for fair wages and the fight for fair wages. Take a paternity test, its a blood test. If you only claim that child if the blood test is 70 , 80 , 90 if it is 30 , there is no kinship. Candidate, make them take the blood test. Where do they stand on Voting Rights . Blood test. Where do they stand on health care . Lead test. Where did they stand on Public Education . Minimum wages . Affirmative action . Equal rights for everybody . If they come of zero, then they have no kinship with our community, and we should not cast our vote for them. If they come up 70 no blood test is 100 , but if they are 70 and 80 , that is where we need to stand, and then we need to push them to become even more a part of the family. But if they cant pass on the basic issues, we should not be dealing with them. That youid you mean have to talk to attorneys right now . What is happening at the polls . Thats what i need to find out. Some lines are still going on. Some polls of still closed at 8 30 p. M. Dont to make sure people leave. We still have people in the field in North Carolina, i need check what going on. Of course, the race is still too close to call. Reverend barber, thank you for joining us. We justcent book want to update you that the new its times is now saying i in live president ial forecast that Hillary Clinton has a 58 chance of winning, down from 84 earlier today. Its just before 9 30 p. M. Eastern time this election day. Polls have closed in the majority of u. S. States. Donald trump is currently leading the electoral count. In florida, New Hampshire, North Carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, virginia, and michigan, therell too close to call. The last half hour, trump has picked up wins in arkansas, kansas, north dakota, south dakota, texas, and wyoming. And three of five electoral votes in nebraska. Clinton won new york. The New York Times is now reporting she has a 54 chance of winning, down from 84 earlier in the day. New york senator chuck schumer. As been reelected in a Key Senate Race in illinois, democrat tammy has fetid incumbent mark. Has to go to f florida defeated incumbent mark kirk. We wanant to g go to flolorida. What is happening in temp a . Tampa . Tempo, which is considered a forwether county, is going trump, but the rest of the state is not. Trump has a 1. 5 percentage point lead. There are not many more votes. It looks like trump may win florida, which means he still has a chance to win the election tonight. 1 of the vote is still out there . Its less than 10 to be counted. He has had a lead that is going down a little bit now for the well over, but its 100 thousand votes. Right now. T is 1. 5 New York Times projecting trump has a 51 chance of winning. Lets talk about the marco rubio race. Seat,l retain his Senate Whether he wanted it a few months ago or not. Exactly. Marco rubio was in full pursuit of beating donald trump and becoming the candidate to run tonight. Illary clinton he lost badly in florida during the primaries. At that point, nobody knew what he was going to do. He announced in june, just weeks before the deadline, that what eck, he is going to get back into the race. The democrats put up not a great candidate. This is not a great night for the democrats overall. We will hear the recriminations later on. Yson was considered although a hero to progressives , theyrida and nationally have done it with the governors the last two times around. Greece andly over nationally. He got knocked around pretty quickly against rubio. He is only 33. This race was never that competitive. It probably shouldve been. A monthhumer said about or so ago that it would not be worth investing money into it, so they stopped putting money into the race. People thought that was premature. Eight points is not very close. Rubio goes back for another six years or another four years. President inun for 2020 depending on what happens tonight, i guess. This. Me ask you the latest news from florida politics, the first black state attorney in floridas history, talk about that. County i dont really follow that race too closely, so i cant tell you much more about that. Democrats overall are going to win some seats the seer. There has been redistricting. Bay,e county across the Charlie Crist is a political comeback, winning a seat in congress against david jolly. Man whocrist, the thought he would be the Vice President with john mccain back , lost her rubio in 2010,. O rick scott in 2014 it made it much easier for a democrat to win across the bay from tampa. Again, the latest from florida, with 94 of the vote in, donald trump is ahead by 141,000 votes. Florida looks like trump is. Olding a larger lead now florida, of course, was a state that trump must win. Had many paths to the presidency without florida. But we dont have the final results yet. It somewhat surprising. That came outoll yesterday had clinton a by one point, which is obviously in the margin of error. Spent an extraordinary amount of time here yesterday. He was in sarasota on saturday. A lot of time and energy. Think theysed to needed to get that. Won it ony had Election Night, and that is when democrats realize the electoral battleground was still alive for Hillary Clinton if she did not win the state. It does look like she is going to lose it tonight. Thomas frank, i know you have to leave soon. I have this latest breaking news out of minnesota. It has elected ill on omar, the nations first somali american lawmaker. Count doing an electoral right now and says donald trump has 128 and clinton 97. Our final thoughts one of the thinin that is, that has times come up several times is the frustration of voters in many of the people here in the program you tonight, the frustration with the twoparty system that has brought us to this terrible impasse. The two most unpopular candidates of all time, and we with one of them. This is what our modern twoparty system has yielded us. Each party is captured by a certain faction. Trump did something interesting, dynamited the Republican Party. Bernie sanders tried to do something similar but didnt get very far. T you think he wouldve gotten further if the media gave him as much of a megaphone as they gave trump . All t the networks,. Ot just fox you mean howard Bernie Sanders have done in the general . Even in the primaries, considering he had almostsandero application of his amplification of his voice. Did an amazing job considering he is regarded in washington as a marginal figure. He needed to start earlier. He needed to be in the south of a lot more. He needed to be reaching out to southern voters. You know the story. The Democratic National committee was determined he not be the candidate. We know president obama did everything in his power short of endorsing hillary. I want to keep emphasizing this. Official in the Democratic Party wanted hillary to be the candidate. They didnt want biden. They didnt want sanders. They wanted hillary. Thing about sanders, he would not have these scandals. He was a relatively scandal free guy. Bluecollar streak in him. Hillary was uniquely vulnerable to trumps attack in all sorts of ways. Systemicalking about racism. Mass incarceration. Trumps big issue is trade, and hillary has voted for a number of these trade deals. She was uniquely vulnerable to his attacks. I want to go back to the reverend barber and his book. He talks a lot about fusion. Oting what that is a reference to is. He populist movement its often called fusion in the Southern States because they would fuse with the local Republican Party and win elections and a lot of the states. Of option has basically been taken off the table for us by the two major parties, and people are disgusted. People want out. They want something different. You see this wherever you go. People are so profoundly disgusted with the washington way, and a lot of people can feel their way of life slipping away from them. To take thataged sentiment and twisted into something very ugly. If trump i mean, i hope hillary is able to hold her lead in the polls that we saw earlier. I hope she is able to pull this thing off, but even if she does, youre going to see someone else for years from now doing the exact same thing as trump, only probably doing a better job of , not acting like a complete buffoon. I think its important for us to make a distinction. Rightk tom is absolutely in a number of ways. Say thatthing to Hillary Clinton was or is a bad candidate. Its one thing to make that argument. We can argue about whether or not thats true, but its another thing to try to make sense of what it means for this many americans, White Americans principally, to vote for donald trump. I think part of what were is a sort of last gasp. And it is a huge entitled theiece dangerous road before Martin Luther king. He said in effect we are the endng the funeral, of White America as we know it. The question is how long and how expensive will the funeral be . The funeral has extended into our homes. , we by virtue of the data know that americans of color do not in large numbers support trump. Trump is a White American phenomenon. Looks to me that White America is willing to throw this country into the trash bin in light of its commitment to an idea of whiteness. And how we might even think of it i know you would concede this how they are , the pitchg the pain of the contradictions of the neoliberal philosophy that has in some ways dashed their dreams. I think you have to say a white male phenomenon. Whiteness is the patriarchy. Its hardwired into our economic and social fabric. In some of what is happening with hillary is that she is a woman. First you had a black man in there. That was aghast as reverend barber said. And then you put a white woman in there. I cannot even delicately say what i want to say, so i just wont say it. That basically, holding onto their identity, if you get my drift. Still extraordinarily threatened and saying where is the space for me. I think you have to add the mail piece in their, because if you look at College Educated white en, they go by and large for hillary. Collegeeducated white men still lean trump. What is that about . Its about the fact that its not only white, but white male, and many workingclass white women buy into the patriarchy white men buy into the patriarchy and oppose feminism. Many people see traditional values as traditional families, male in charge, female subservient. I think you have to look at the gender piece here. I dont think it would be so close of it had been biden. I dont think we would be seeing Something Like this. Brother with a liberal book has said his name escaped me for moment joe biden appeals to the bluecollar white men who see their jobs going. They see biden as one of their folks. Hillary has a little bluecollar in her, but she has papered it over with all the wall street speeches. And in addition to that, she is a woman. We have talked very much at all about the sexism this woman has experienced in the course of this campaign. I just went to interrupt with another bulletin. Index is down more as the Election Results come in. Begins toction tighten of course, we still westto hear from the coast. So far, no major state has changed hands that people did expect. According to the financial toes, the mexican peso goes the floor as donald trump gains steam. Paul ryan was reelected as expected. Trump is pulling ahead in ohio. I am seeing in my twitter feed that he seems to have a nice pathway in michigan. My god. States he has to flip is either michigan or pennsylvania, as well as win florida. So, the nightmare scenario for. Ome seems to be taking form not that it is going to take , but it is taking form. Boston globe is reporting that trump has a slightly in virginia, a state clinton was expected to win. By the way, hillary did take connecticut. Thats reassuring. The Detroit Free Press is projecting that Hillary Clinton is going to win michigan. Well, thats a relief. This is kind of terrifying. We will watch and see what happens. It was just last week, two weeks io when the New York Times am all thats standing between you and the apocalypse. Worde have been using the fascist to describe donald trump. I dont think thats accurate. But when youre talking about the apocalypse and fascism and you say well, but our candidate to stop it is going to be thatry clinton, you know, doesnt make sense. , ifhat really is the stakes that really is with on the table what on the table, you need to put out somebody who can clean up. Julian malveaux, would you like to respond . No. I mean, i think he has a point. Is a buffoon. Hillary is not the kind of change agent that president obama was. We are seeing that. The kind ofelicit excitement he elicited. People have known her for 30 years, her good points at her bad points. She is not a good speaker like president obama or her husband. She doesnt have the charismatic stuff. So no, in terms of pitting her against donald trump, its not. He best pairing whitey say its not just about why do you say its not just about not liking trumpet that you support Hillary Clinton . I was at a ymca, and several people were using the term that it takes a village. I said this should be hillary land if it takes a village. That was a term she embraced and used. Her passion for women and children, which is something she has embraced for more than 30 is something that endears me to her. The whole issue of women and , with the pay gap, with what we see, we know she is going to put her hands around those issues. We know women need equal pay. The women who work for her and work with her are my friends. Donna brazil, tina, yolanda, they are my friends. I know the people listen. I know if i picked up the phone and called and said she could not do that, its not that shes going to say she said you cant do it. Shes going to say this economist we know said you cant. It doesnt mean its not can my way, but it means there are ears. Of course president obama cared about women and one of his first pieces of legislation was around womens issues with the equal pay act, but that also cut attacked. Black women around her are solid black women with roots in the jackson 84 campaign. , withould like to ask you the potential of a Trump Presidency, how would you see a trump Foreign Policy, especially in latin america . I think it would be a disaster. Trump tapped into two impulses he did not know how to actualize. Critique of free trade. One was the critique of interventionism. Not only has not followed through with policy, but he has actually submitted i think he will be more of the dangerous. He either did not have the intellectual framework or the larger administrative structure around him to follow through with the critique of those two pillars of u. S. Foreign policy, free trade absolutism, whatever you want to call it. The Foreign Policy wing of the neoliberalism we have been talking about, and the intervention clinton has been at the center of and what concerns many people about her potential presidency, her very hawkish disposition. To get beyond the politics of personality, whether clinton herelf, her intentions, history, she has obviously been part of this larger freetrade trade regime and thats undeniable. Undeniable. Joe biden has been just as complicit in the deregulation of finance and financial is asian of the economy is clinton if not more so. Ion of thealizat economy as clinton if not more so. I dont think he wouldve had the same visceral reaction. There is a lot of sexism, obviously, but clinton does represent those centerpieces of Foreign Policy, markets and militarism. Trump, though he began his campaign as a critic of both of those, i think he would wind up not only extending them, but in a very unreliable, unprintable way, and that is what makes him dangerous. This is a contractual moment of crisis and possibility. Its defined in part by the fundamental contradictions that have been evidenced in the neoliberal economic regime that has devastated and decimated workers in this country, and the ways in which that has evidenced itself has been articulated in and interesting sorts of ways. It has taken the shape of a kind totalitarianism and the leftist populism that we have seen with Bernie Sanders. With the shot through overwhelming legacy of racism in this country. It is all over well and buy it, and we have to grapple with it, obviously. Overwhelmed by it, and we have to grapple with it, obviously. In a close race, you have to wait for california, oregon, washington. Wisconsin public radio is saying with about a quarter of the vote reported, ron johnson 5344. Ing Russ Feingold a 5700saying clinton has vote lead in virginia and more democratic votes are still out. The key thing at this point surprises has had no in which state has turned which way. All of the states are closer than polls were indicating. It does appear trump is on the verge of winning florida. Its going to be a long night. I have always said that i campaign madeton a choice to try to triangulate back to bill clinton. Appealto find a way to to disaffected republicans who could not vote for trump. You had this kind of move for a long time or she was saying its safe to vote for me, republicans. They were kind of making that move, and in some ways taking the base for granite and not becauseaking advantage its not really in her dna to have the kind of energy that defined the sanders movement. I think this is the case of chickens coming home to roost strategically and tactically. She is an example of the extension of the problem as opposed to the person who would resolve it. Were asking that resources go into africanamerican mobilization sooner than they did. Were was a notion that we safe. Money went to the black press later than it could have. This was the same thing that happened, frankly, with president obama. The democrats were slow on the uptake with the Africanamerican Community and just assuming the Africanamerican Community was there. Vote,lary loses the black i think it will be that she could have generated more enthusiasm earlier. Combine that with her early strategy of distancing republicans down ballot from trump. Remember the early albright speech. Donald trump is not to the republican i know. To allowthe space republicans to breathe in that moment, and it was only near the that she needed to hit the down ballot. There was a decision in some the spaceo open up for down ballot. There were some clear tactical errors. There always are with campaigns. Not on the Tactical Team. That theld say Tactical Team makes decisions based on what has happened in the past. Failing to engage bernie in a different way i mean, bernie has been used and then excited about being used, but i think he couldve been used in different ways. We are going to continue this theussion at the top of hour. Thank you to our guests, thomas frank, reverend barber, mitch perry. Our guests will stay with us. I am amy goodman with juan gonzalez. Keep tuning in and tell your friends. Mrs. Democracy now, democracynow. Org, war, peace, and the presidency. We are joined now by a very important to let the polls group of people is the polls are closing around the country. Florida, hampshire, North Carolina, michigan, to call. Is currentlyump leading in the majority of these battleground states. Over the last hour he has won arkansas, kansas, north dakota, south dakota, texas, wyoming, and three of the electoral votes in nebraska. Hillary clinton has one connecticut, new york state, and vermont. Earlier in the night she also won delaware, rhode island, massachusetts, illinois, district of columbia, and new jersey, while donald trump one alabama, oklahoma, mississippi, tennessee, indiana, and west virginia. The New York Times is now predicting that donald trump has a 64 chance of winning the presidency. Dow futures have plummeted more than 400 points as Election Results come in. Asia, stock markets have also tumbled as trump has outperformed expectations. Are both projecting republicans will retain control of the house. House Speaker Paul Ryan has been inlected to his house seat wisconsin. Democrats are continuing to battle for control of the senate. Meanwhile, minnesota has elected the nations first somali american lawmaker. We are joined by a chair of the africanamerican studies department at princeton university. Greg brandon is still with us. Professor a black American History at new york university. His most recent book is kissingers shadow. And dr. Julian malveaux is with us. Serves on the board of Economic Policy. Her new book is called are we better off . President ofrmemer Bennett College in North Carolina. And we have a rolling roundtable of guests who we will introduce as they come in. This l latest news, donald trump won montana. Na w won montana. There are those of prizes. Coming in we knew that florida would be a battleground. We knew that if she won florida or North Carolina it was over. If she won if you won florida, he still had to flip one of the other states. If he wins florida and he runs the table, he still has to flip one of the blue states. Typically they are saying michigan or pennsylvania, those are his best chances. Some of the predictions and what the folks are saying, nothing is surprisingly so far. Say, the one thing that theout is fact that the nation would throw its support behind him in a way that they have. I shouldnt be surprised. I shouldnt be disappointed. But it reveals the rot at the heart of the country. It just seems to me that we have some really difficult days ahead. Going back and talking about race being at the foundation of the challenges the country faces , go back and look at correspondence with john adams writing to abigail as they were putting the constitution together, talking about his fears about race matters in the future because of the decision to allow in slave and so that the south could come in and to people of african descent as 3 5 of a person. Thomas jefferson himself, petrified with fear whats going to happen because of this . We didnt deal with it at the end of the civil war. For five minutes we dealt with it, then we had reconstruction. Here we go again. We didnt deal with this in terms of after the civil rights movement, civil rights act, etc. And then we had Ronald Reagan. Interesting statistic, in every economic recovery until 1982, working people captured more than 80 of the value of the recovery. Since 1982, the top 10 has captured 90 of the value of the economic coverage. Just interesting. Race has something to do with that. Ronald reagans attacks on people who receive public assistance was partially an attack on peoples color. He kept talking about the woman with 13 kids, you know . There may be some statistical outlier with 13 kids, but the average number of children a person on public assistance has is no different than the number of children the average woman has. He used race to essentially cut flow moneyney to the wealthy. We have seen that in every recovery. We have economic expansion that isnt tepid. Its decent. You still have people who have not recovered. They have not obtained the wages they saw in 2009. Black and white wages, down. Nonow back up to their old leve. But some people still havent recovered. You know, we just have to look at the way that there is a set of issues around and around enslavement seeping into today. You shouldnt be surprised. Yoyou so smart . Iyou study this stuff can rip him every now and again, we come from the same hometowns. I was born in San Francisco, by the way. But no, if you study this stuff, you understand that you go forward and go backward. This time, this time the fusion thing is going to have to happen. The White Working Class may have gone by and large for trumpet but eventually they will have to see that hes not going to invite them to have a beer. He is not their friend. The billionaire populist . Exactly. They will get as little as everyone else from trump. Breaking is the latest news, Hillary Clinton projected to win new mexico. As reported, Hillary Clinton lost wyoming, the first state to give women the right to vote. The first state to give women the vote in 1869. Quickly followed by utah, with wyoming,d as when these territories became states, they preserved womens suffrage. Mobilests are julienne , professoralveaux brandon under clinton or Trump Presidency . Head ofe claude, africanamerican studies at princeton university. We are turning right now to los angeles to speak with Melina Abdallah. A professor and chair of pan African Studies at california state. This latest news around all of these issues right now, too close to call in florida . Although it looks like donald trump is pulling that one out. Too close to call in North Carolina. Detroit free the press is right, Hillary Clinton will pull out a victory in michigan, where they both were yesterday in a last plea to voters. Your thoughts tonight, Melina Abdallah eddie claude . Melina abdallah . Color, most people of im extremely nervous about the outcome. While i wasnt a supporter of either of them, it poses the possibility of a very quick ascension into really rampant antiblackness. Antipeople of color. Policies. Ty wins, all of us are very anxious about what that will mean for the country. It also causes us to question our neighbors. Who is it . I was watching the returns come in and i thought who is voting for trump . We dont know our neighbors as well as we think we do. It is inherent to many of us that he shouldnt even be an we are talking about the possibility of a Trump Presidency. Most of us have braced ourselves for how do we engage with the Clinton Presidency . How do we deal with her . But a Trump Presidency is, i think, something that is one of our worst nightmares. What does it do when we awaken, if he wins . Either way, i think it reminds work that we have to do to advocate for people of advocate for our own communities, to advocate for workingclass people really has to be done outside electoral politics. We have to create tremendous, overwhelming pressure in the streets to make sure that this country doesnt just in the world doesnt just descendent the chaos. What we need to brace ourselves for tomorrow. Whether its a Clinton Presidency for a Trump Presidency. Probably more so if trump wins. Thisare you surprised at point, professor . Melina abdallah yes, i am surprised. People aresed that doing theres fear he, right . All of this theory that we know workingclass white voters often vote against their best interests because in this country white people have been convinced, since really the earth of the nation, right . That their interests are aligned with their whiteness. And they have really kind of failed to examine what their class status means. Even though we know that, theoretically, even though we know that the famous line whats the matter with kansas workingclass white folks often dont vote their class interests. We are often surprised that they will actually go as far as they will. I think a Trump Presidency reminds us how deep White Supremacy runs. Something else that comes out is theres a lot of data that talks about the kind of anonymity of voting behavior. Get behind that curtain and have the 10 or en or whatever device in their hands, they feel free and unbridled in the racism. Racismot minimize the that a Trump Victory would mean. Not just his own racism, but the racism of trump voters. So, they can pretend like its Something Else but we know exactly what it is. Even if we just look at his campaign slogan. Make America Great again . Great for who . For black people, for people of color, for women, for lgbtq folks, anything that goes back in time means less for us. It means more oppression for us. I think that as black lives matter organizers, it reminds us that we have to continue to create tremendous pressure. When we think about where black people stand along virtually every economic, social, and political measures, we continue to stand at the bottom. And that we continue to have the unemployment rate. Highest infant mortality rates. Absolutely, the highest rates of and law police enforcement, where we are three times more likely to be killed by Law Enforcement and by whites. It means that we have to stay organized. We have to really have a plan. The movement for black lives platform has to be revisited. We have to figure out how we advance those policies that we want, recognizing that we have one of the staunchest opponents office inn either trump or Hillary Clinton. Yes, i am very surprised that trump could very well be our president or president elect tomorrow. Amy lets talk a little bit about a trump Foreign Policy, greg brandon. Nd clinton foreignpolicy thats your specialty. Greg one would expect a continuation of the general tendencies that began before she became secretary of state. Which started under bill clinton, in many ways. The three signature policies of bill or latin american policies. Nafta, which came to symbolize free trade. This turn, this move of the democrats to embody Corporate America and free trade area the militarism of colombia, which has extended into Central America with this series of serial franchises, Central America, mexico, etc. , and the militarization of the border. The question is, to what degree would Hillary Clinton presidency and we saw how as secretary of state she largely continued that. She supported a very harsh deportation regime while she was secretary of state. And she also supported wholeheartedly the ongoing militarization of that court or. The question is, to what degree would she continue . To what degree could she continue . Trade is down. In some way, trumpism is the vanguard of someone catching up with the larger trend. The retraction of goal global trade and return to some kind of National Economy that precedes trump. To what degree a clinton president would be able to continue along the path that she and her husband and Ronald Reagan set in Central America and mexico, that remains to be seen. Its a changed world. Nbc news has projected that richard burr has beat debbie ross in North Carolina. I want to get dr. Julian malveauxs response to this. Im devastated. I was stumping for hillary down there, but deborah ross was someone Whose Campaign i took a lot of interest in. Richard burr has said that if elected and if trump was not approve auld Supreme Court justice to replace Antonin Scalia a. How can that be . He has attempted to slow down the judiciary. Obama nominated to phenomenal black women for the north Eastern District of North Carolina. The nomination was never even heard. Im devastated, personally, frankly. Im really disturbed. It also makes it difficult for the democrats to take the senate. Course,not, so far, of i startedier voting and 72. We know it takes a while to get the western results in an its not over till its over, but this so far is not a good night for democrats. Amy talk more about senator burr. We were talking about him earlier and the comments that were caught on tape as he spoke privately to a group of people. He looks like hes been reelected. Julianne he saw hillary on a magazine cover and put a bullseye on it. To make a joke about killing and assassination. A reputation, also, even in his own party of being one of the he keeps a light schedule. He spends a lot more time fundraising. Deborah ross hit the ground running. He sells a lot of those tickets. As low as rubio. Amy and hes not running for president. Hes very inaccessible to his constituents. He doesnt come t to town hall. Hes not one of the good guys. There are some republicans we can count on in a few initiatives, but hes not one of those. Hes a diehard gentleman. It looks like donald trump is up in ohio. Was expected. Of all of ththe battleground states, thats the one that was predicted to go to donald trump. We have nina turner, the former state senator, joining us on the telephone right now from cleveland. Welcome back to democracy now exhalation point , nina turner. Nina its always good to join you. As you were mentioning in your intro, ohio has always been close for trump. Inh him having a slight edge that town, always being within the margin of error. But right now it looks like he might take the state. The rust belt suffered a lot because of trade deals that mr. Trump and secretary clinton spent a lot of time in ohio. Just this past saturday there was a concert where beyonce and jayz were here. The candidates themselves have spent a lot of time in ohio. It may very well go to mr. Trump. It is a state, my state, that the president won both times. Talk about what were seeing right now. The dow plummeting. It looks like donald trump will take florida. Too close to call in North Carolina. Looks like Hillary Clinton will take michigan. Pennsylvania, still too close to call. Nbc significance of has just given your state, ohio, to donald trump. You know t any . A lot of people are suffering in this country. Politicalat the classes overall have underestimated the suffering in this country. States like mine, with so many bluecollar workers, i have someone in one of my courses who remembers what her mom was laid off as a machinist. Laid off during nafta. Still remembers the suffering of her family and how long it took for her family to rebound and for her to share that story there are other people like that. Not just in the state of ohio, but all across the country. This has been a disruption election. On november 9, we are going to have to do some real soulsearching as a country and bring the country together. We cannot deny that people are theiring and are making suffering known at the ballot box. This is one of the most unpredictable elections in our time. Amy what would you say your assessment of Hillary Clinton and how she dealt with your candidate, Bernie Sanders . What do you think she did well . What do you think she did poorly . All of the news coming out through wikileaks that was suspected, now a great deal of it confirmed . Nina its very unfortunate. I dont know about secretary clinton herself, but its very clear that her campaign operatives, from john podesta all the way down, really handled the election cycle in a poor way. There are some that you can go to low. Wereny of thec bernierats hurt. I watch them being not treated with respect. Win, you can afford to be gracious. You can afford to have some mercy. Its very sad. As hurt as they were, i believe the vast majority of them certainly wanted to vote for the secretary. I dont know what her thoughts and feelings were, but i concert may go by what her campaign how they acted and treated those supporters. Everything that you saw on tv, it wasnt cool by all with the family. With the family. But the senator was a man of his word. He traveled all over the country for her. Supporters were supporting her or still do support her because of it. We have a full table right now as more people join us as nina turner is talking to us on the phone from ohio with the latest news. Donald trump has taken the battleground state of ohio. Ap has called new mexico for Hillary Clinton. Thats the latest news so far. And the latest news about the markets is that they are plummeting. We will be going to naomi prince , who can talk about the significance of this. A former managing director of. Ear stearns her latest book is all the president s bankers. We want to turn to her to find out about this latest news about the markets. What have you heard . The mexican peso, plummeting in mexico. Hearing news of donald trump gaining in his victories. And he right here, the dow going down. Right, so basically markets dont like uncertainty. He has indicated uncertainty in every aspect of his personality. Now its happening with him racking up the numbers in the electoral vote. Markets indicate where things are going to open tomorrow morning in the dow, down 500 points or 600 points. All the countries he has been lambasting throughout his campaign mexico in particular are reeling. Whenever he was ahead, the mexican peso would drop in value. Whats happening tonight are all of the exchanges, like the peso, are going down on the potential that he could win. The same thing is going down in asia right now. He could bring relationships in general with that area. Hisgs are looking ugly on potential victory, on the uncertainty of it, and what it means Going Forward for the United States and those countries. Amy from the New York Times forecast, 81 likelihood for donald trump. Nomi prins this was supposed to go the other way, now its swinging back towards trump. There was a lot of comparison to exit, where the polls were saying one thing. Walleet in london street and london, saying it wouldnt happen, and when it did everything plummeted with continued uncertainty in the u. K. The same thing is really unfolding here. Warned about by certain people and it looks like it could be unfolding here. On the one hand we have polls with hillary up 60 , 70 , 80 and so forth. Trump not anywhere near those numbers. Now with that potentially happening it throws it all on its head. Sort of a repeat of what happened in the u. K. , which is not going lost on the rest of the world. Amy the latest news is that its all just breaking now abc has just predicted Hillary Clinton has one virginia won virginia. We will continue to bring you these updates, showing you a map that democracynow. Org. Assetrins is with us from los angeles. We have two new people at the roundtable well, its sort of an oval table in new york city. In addition to Julianne Malveaux and eddie claude, as well as greg brandon, we have an awardwinning investigative journalist with us. David is here as well. Hes the Senior Editor at the International Business times, just coauthored a piece about hisdononald trump bamboozled hot mahal investors. You have predicted for some time that despite what everyone was saying, donald trump woodwind. Dashwood win would win. In these recent days i thought it had become unpredictable. With the crosscurrents of the fbi intervention on the behalf it had the thought potential to drive up democratic turnout. But it seemed pretty clear to me all along that trump had the edge. It all depended on whether his white voters would turn out. I think the reason the polls were so wrong is that voter turnout is so low in this country. It only runs usually in the range of 50 , 60 . 40 ,ng you have 40 sometimes more, just not participating. It shows how alienated people are and the general discussed with the people in this country. The polls model the electorate of the people who turn out. If you had the same people turning out as last time, the polls would have been accurate. But it becomes very unpredictable when new people come in. Whites constitute 60 of the electorate. If trump is able to bring out just 10 less extra of the whites, thats it. Thats the reason why it only seemed to me. The only question would be if they got demoralized at some point. Now, the election is an decided yet. He definitely has the edge. A couple of things to note are one, this wouldnt be happening if not for a degree of elite racism that i think a lot of people dont usually acknowledge. Trump launched his campaign by going out and saying mexicans , rapists, criminals. Just imagine if he had said jews rapists, criminals. Christians, rapists, criminals. He would have been ostracize immediately. Wouldpublican leadership have turned against him heavily. But they were willing to tolerate that. They were willing to tolerate that. 2 billion worth of free tv time. He was kind of blowing their cover with that racism, but he got an open road from the republican leadership. Another thing that i think shows is the problem of the corporate democrat. I think if this had been a race sanders . Trump versus it would have been very different. Trump would not have been able to pull some much of the nonsense that he did. Talking about money and politics in the debates . Hillary is reduced to saying well, my contributions dont influence me. And obama got more wall street money than i did. What if the fed had argued that . If trump said im a crook, ive been buying politicians all my life but now im going to be a crook for you. When he attacks the trade deals that have helped to get the american working class the american working class the american working class gut the american working class, clinton cant really defend it. Amy reading the latest update again, all of these races are clearly not done at this point havent been called. Its 10 34 eastern time in the evening. In just 30 minutes the polls close in california. Oregon, washington, why it, idaho. Donald trump is currently leading Hillary Clinton in the 109,oral count, 167 to with key battleground states florida, New Hampshire, North Carolina, pennsylvania, and michigan all too close to call. The Detroit Free Press did declare michigan for Hillary Clinton. Nbc projecting that Hillary Clinton is winning virginia. Hasar tonight, donald trump quickly]s many states and wyoming, where women first got the right to vote. Has oneclinton connecticut, delaware, district of columbia, illinois, massachusetts, maryland, new jersey, new mexico, new york state, rhode island, and vermont. The New York Times is now projecting donald trump has an 87 chance of winning the presidency. As Election Results come in, dow futures have plummeted more than 400 points, while asian stock markets have also tumbled. Republicans are projected to inain control of the house wisconsin. House Speaker Paul Ryan has just been reelected to his house seat, while nbc news rejects that senator richard burr is beating ross in North Carolina. That is the news we have so far. Senator schumer was reelected here in new york. The democratic senator. As was senator Patrick Leahy and vermont. Clearly notre contested. If you want to continue with what we were saying. People have a tremendous range of options in how they can behave. Seeing so many countries in extreme situations, so many people rise to the heights of nobility. Other people manage to let themselves become these monsters, these beasts. Its inside every person. And trump has this ability to reach out and touch the beast inside so many people. Its interesting. Survey today indicated that there was a fair nowp of white obama voters voting for trump. I think that in part represents discussed with the system. But Hillary Clinton isnt that different from obama in terms of policy, substance. But i think probably the bigger element is that of who otherwise were able to tolerate a black because onobama, certain issues he appealed to them on substance, trump was able to reach down to some of those same people and pull out this racism inside of them. He has this ability to trigger. He makes that kind of got appeal gut appeal. This is a national emergency, if trump wins. This breaking news, nbc saying that Hillary Clinton is winning the key battleground state of colorado. Thats going to bring us to , who david sirota usually speak to in colorado. Your thoughts . Thats right close. If those results hold, it will be one of the states that came through in the way it was predicted. For a while it wasnt close. Hillary clinton had a big lead. That has obviously shown itself to be the case in a lot of states across the country. Her big lead is not a leader at all. To play off of what was just said about donald trump, i think that what we have seen tonight is that the democrats ran a very big candidate. A candidate who was i think with stronger views on policy through the democratic primary. But the problem for Hillary Clinton was and she may still win but the problem for her was that she was running against somebody who was critiquing in a very clear way her record and that of her husband and that of the Party Establishment and really the washington establishment that she represented. I was talking to a friend on the way over here who said when was the last time somebody ran for president essentially conceding that they are a washington insider . In some cases the Clinton Campaign touted her ties to the establishment, arguably as proof to the fact that she represented stability. But when was the last time someone was willing to run and assume that mantle . Again, she may still win tonight , but it is a huge wakeup call to the you Democratic Party that if you run as the candidacy of the same, the candidacy of change no matter how terrifying, no matter how extreme, no matter how bigoted that candidacy is, typically those elections are, when you strip it all away, are referendums on change. Most often the electorate votes for change. Lary clinton it did not Hillary Clinton did not represent what the public perceived as change. We can go deeper and asked why would the public want such a change when various metrics in the economy look better, certainly, than they were eight years ago . There was a jobs report out. A lot of trendlines in the economy that have been persistent. Ay would the country vote for change candidate when you have a Clinton Campaign that is running on continuity to a president who is in the polls quite popular. That speaks to the fact that these economic problems have not been solved and arguably have not been addressed. The New York Times is now forecasting trump is 91 likely to win. If he wins, you know, its a national emergency. Some people have made the argument that well, trump is bad, but clinton may be worse and theres no difference . Thats completely insane. They are on entirely different levels. Wins, it represents a revolution in the country. This really was a referendum. Amy use a national, not international . Well, also international, but first and primarily within the United States. In a sense, whats happened in this election season shows whats been happening in the country the past four years. With the implosion of the middleclass and working class. In a sense, in primaries, there was a referendum on leftist revolution with sanders. It did well but was turned back. This is the referendum on rightest revolution. Its much worse than we realize. Almost in 2017, its locked in that the republicans will have huge gains in the senate just because of which seats are up for each party. If trump wins, the only thing blocking complete implementation of the programs of trump, paul ryan, the Koch Brothers, etc. , is a Senate Filibuster by the democrats. By 19, sorry if they make progress in the senate this election, theres a very good chance that they will have a filibuster proof majority in the senate and have a complete open field. There is absolutely nothing to stop them and thats a true revolution. They can restructure the United States from head to toe. Even before that, too coming years. O coming years, i wouldnt be surprised to see a lot of guns going off. White men acting as vigilantes. Cops who feel more free to open africanamericans. Whatever inhibitions may have been opposed imposed on them by the success of the black lives Matter Movement until now will be stripped away. Amy and the black lives Matter Movement itself . Allan think of it, Rudy Giuliani as the attorney general . They specifically talked about matter asblack lives terrorists and its illegal to be a terrorist in the United States. What we are really talking about here is the end of reconstruction. Essentially when black people lost rights. Had state legislatures killeden as legislators, because they wouldnt move out of the way, having been empowered by the right to vote. When a white peir poet and shoo, asks questions later. Im looking at 538. As opposed to the New York Times. They are slightly more optimistic. They are projecting a 50 chance for hillary. Heres the thing, the fundamentals are still there. She has to lose michigan or pennsylvania. Amy it looks like shes winning michigan. Even if he wins florida, thats the projection, and ohio, theres a ceiling. He has to flip one of the firewall states. What we need to be paying attention to is nevada. We need to Pay Attention to pennsylvania. We need to Pay Attention to michigan. Shes already won virginia. Its one of those states. I know that they are saying michigan is too close to call, the free press has already called it. What i wast this is confused about with the New York Times. All of the data points are still present. Amy she is dragging in wisconsin. That was the telegraph. She was in pennsylvania so much before the end of the election. Up in philadelphia. I said to a friends why she and philadelphia so much . Philadelphia so much . Typically democrats shouldnt have to worry so much about pennsylvania in the waning days of the election. I think you are right to say that pennsylvania is where trump was betting. Clearly michigan as well. One other point about trump, if trump wins, everything you said is right and true and based in reality, but theres a flip side. There is a chance to mobilize against trumps agenda and away that will be harder to mobilize against clintons agenda. Typically in politics it is easier for the left to mobilize against a republican president than it is for cases where the republican president are pushing the same exact thing. Every Progressive Group might be able to mobilize more tomorrow. Except if trump is the president , paul ryan has suggested this thing called the better way. This is why he was so ambivalent about someone calling someone else a racist. His proposal, a better way, requires a republican president that will not veto some of this regressive legislation. Is toitem on the agenda eliminate the Affordable Care act. They are going down the list and looking at eliminating entitlements. Talking about things like food stamps. We have people working fulltime, fullyear, who qualify for food stamps. Amy he said his first act would be to end obamacare. The firstbut thats item on the agenda of mr. Ryans better way. A legislative piece that republicans have been working on for a while. It. S not even talk about we just talked about militias. Lets not even talk about colleges. Amy speaking about a different to note abouthing the New York Times forecaster, they are predicting that clinton will win the popular vote and the Electoral College. Its true, there will be a real activist mobilization, no doubt about it. If someone is pointing a gun at you, you get a surge of adrenaline. Also, initially at the beginning of a presidency, activists will be free to mobilize. One of the priorities of a Trump Administration will be to immediately start narrowing the legal space that activists have to mobilize. They will start going after people. After maybe a year, maybe two years, people are going to be worried about things like staying out of prison. Possible raids on their offices. Basically, living under the kinds of conditions that activists live in in other countries. Absolutely. He has talked about libel laws and other things. Amy talked about suing a reporter who said libel to her. He has banned people from attending his news conferences. When journalists said is this what you are going to do in the white house . House presste corps . He said yes. But your argument about regressive basically coming together reminds me of Ronald Reagan coming in in 1980. People have that same conversation. Ronald reagan comes in, we all organize and we change the conditions, bring us together. It didnt do it. We did struggle, obviously. There was a lot of pushback. But our tax code was changed. Changing the tax code basically accelerated domination of the 1 . We we could struggle all want to, but the tax code was changed. I will tell you a brief story. When Ronald Reagan became president , my sisters roommate in San Francisco at the time was getting food stamps. She went to pick up her food stamps when they actually had stamps and they said they dont have them anymore. New president , new day, sayonara , good luck. Her comment was something needs to be done about this. Very vague. The next morning she was arrested by the fbi. She was taken to jail. Needse she said something to be done about this. Now, blessedly we know people where phone calls have been made and she was out of there by noon. Pjs. A. M. , took her in her didnt even let her changed clothes. Because she said that something needs to be done. In contrast, theres a minister in arizona who prayed for the death of president obama openly. To fbi finally got around doing something in february, but he prayed for his death from the election, past the inauguration. The clive and bundy people were out there pointing automatic weapons at federal employees. That was the followup by the family. N bundyginal clive action, pointing weapons at federal employees. On the streets, and africanamerican points a gun at a cop, the immediately draw and its not even an issue. In this case, these people didnt even get arrested. They decided it was the better part of valor just to let the whole thing slide. And with their weapons in oregon, they were acquitted. , in a certainns sense, if trump wins by the way, trump did win florida. If trump wins, and i dont want people to misunderstand this, i want to say it carefully wins, the u. S. Will list certain sense begetting a mild taste of its own medicine. For years overseas the u. S. Has been willing to not only tolerate what is in effect violent fascism, but implement it. In country after country after country. Latin america, africa, asia, overthrowing elected governments , backing the rise of military dictatorships. I have spent many years in countries like this, fighting against u. S. Backed killers. But americans have been living in a bubble. Barely even knowing that that was going on. In daily life, not really having a sense of what its like to live under a regime that feels completely unconstrained. Could trump comes in we begin to get a mild taste of what thats like. Ertainly it will be dramatic they may get the curse of having their prayers answered. A lot of nonwhite people in this country, they always like to feel heat from the authorities but all kinds of people can feel it if trump comes in. Melinawant to bring in abdallah before she has to leave. This latest news i will say that the Detroit Free Press calling michigan, saying it looks like Hillary Clinton is winning their. Thats not what cnn is saying. They are saying it looks like shes losing in michigan. She has lost North Carolina, Hillary Clinton. Trump has one in North Carolina and in florida. Hasin ohio, Hillary Clinton taken new mexico. Your thoughts . At this point . Pointing to the really strong possibility that we will awaken tomorrow to a president elect trump. What will that mean for us . The one that we really need to happened, itst a failure of the twoparty system. The lesser of two evils models failing to invigorate folks around liberals and leftists were not invigorated by Hillary Clinton. Thats a failure of the twoparty system. Rejecting the duopoly and looking at how to move forward from here to construct a system where we could have a president where people could be enthusiastic about. The other thing it points to and i was listening as folks were talking about what it means in terms of activism, i think what it points to is a real need to have a street campaign. , where an outside model we say we are not solely entrusting electric elected officials to advance our interests. One huge difference that we have right now is that people are already organized. If we think about the growth of black lives matter and the tens of thousands of folks who are organized under that banner, if you think about what is happening at Standing Rock and the thousands of people willing to put their bodies on the line, about the awakening of folks over the last 3. 5, four years, we are seeing people who are ready to move. I think that if we awaken tomorrow whether there is a Clinton Presidency or a Trump Presidency i think it reminds us that if we are going to move forward and really build a just we free willed world, cant really trust elected officials who are really under the thumb of corporate interests, White Supremacy, patriarchal interests and heteronormativity. I think that we have to recognize that it is us thats going to bring in justice and usher injustice. I think that we can do it. You know, for a moment i think many of us will be kind of disoriented and anxious. Depressed and scared. Especially if we have a president trump, we will be feeling that way. But i think we have to shake that off really quickly and figure out what it is we can do from the outside to put pressure on the kinds of policies for the world we want to live in. [captioning made possible by democracy now ] amy thank you for being with us. We moving into the top of the hour. I know you have to go, Melina Abdallah. Thank you for speaking to us from los angeles. We will continue with our other guests. ,reg brandon, eddie claude , davidairn, greg brandon sirota, and Julianne Malveaux. Of a new book,or are we better off. Pecial thanks to nomi prins we will be going to arizona after this. We will continue the discussion. Im amy goodman. This is democracy now . [music break] this is democracy now. It is 11 00 p. M. Eastern time. 8 00 on the west coast. Polls have just closed in california, oregon, washington, hawaii. They have closed in every u. S. State except alaska. 1 00 a. M. Eastern time is when alaska closes. Press reports donald trump has won the key battleground state of florida. He is currently leading the Hillary Clinton in electoral counts with key battleground states to close to count. Won alabama,has arkansas. Montana, mississippi. North and south dakota. South carolina. Tennessee, texas, and three of five electoral votes in nebraska. Hillary clinton has won illinois, massachusetts, maryland. New york state. Rhode island. And virginia. The New York Times is now predicting donald trump has a 94 ofchance percent chance winning the Electoral College, although the times projects theton is projected to win popular vote. Dow futures have tumbled more than 400 points. Republicans are projected to retain control of the house. In North Carolina, a republican senator has beaten debbie ross. In wisconsin, paul ryan has been reelected to his house seat. Meanwhile, in phoenix, Sheriff Joe Arpaio is losing his race for reelection. In delaware, lisa blunt has made history, becoming the first woman and first africanamerican to be elected to congress from the state of delaware. Calms after minnesota also made history by electing the nations first somali american lawmaker. And in breaking news, cnn reports that Hillary Clinton has , wellwaii, and california trump has won idaho. This brings the new count to 190 for Hillary Clinton. 171 for donald trump. We are joined by a number of guests. A journalist known for his investigative reporting from indonesia to guatemala. Us with the is with International Business times. Of African Studies, the chair of the department at princeton university. And another guest. She was supposed to go to the center where the Victory Party was being held for Hillary Clinton. We still do not know who will win. The center is a glass ceiling. We will see what happens. John nichols is back with us. The a reporter for nation magazine. He has been following the wisconsin race closely. It has been politics. If you are hoping Russ Feingold would get back to the senate, doesnt look very good. Numbers, it those think what we see from wisconsin and a host of other states is donald trump has registered unprecedented numbers in rural america. Those Rural Counties, which everybody forgets about, most of the Democratic Party never pays any attention to, those Rural Counties are stacking up votes level offsetting turnouts in cities. In wisconsin, which has not ford for republican president since 1984, trump is still ahead. He may not win it. There are still baying county. A large democratic vote. Other areas amy where 150,000 people voted against the governor, scott walker. We like to say 180,000. Interesting thing. We might reference that. This is a tough night. We dont know where we are headed. I will tell you, the other day, i watched new gingrich on one of the shows. They asked him, what would happen if Hillary Clinton won. He said, there were going to be investigations and indictments. What would happen if donald trump won . Said, it will be like scott walker in wisconsin. People will be on the streets. He will quickly implement an agenda that will be antilabor, the tly distractive to destructive to the infrastructure on the domestic level. What we think of as Civil Society. This was gingrich predicting a wisconsin type feature for the country. I dont know if he is right. I usually say he is wrong. I think we are looking at something that is very jarring at this point. It is something real. David has written about it. This is the Democratic Party for getting just absolutely forgetting about vast stretches of america. Assuming enough folklks were gog to be there and they just were not there. Want to talk about james comey and his influence, the fbi director. If you could talk about his power in relation to previous fbi directors. If it turns out that trump wins, narrowly, in the electoral it would be entirely fair to say the fbi swung the election to trump. I dont think anyone has ever claimed J Edgar Hoover swung a president ial election. Hoover had people assassinated. He tried to drive Martin Luther king to suicide. I dont think he ever swung a president ial election. In the case of comey, it looks to me like he probably had his hand forced by his people. Institution is just as it was in hoover days, it has been somewhat reformed but is still a deeply rightwing institution. Amy this is just in. Cbs news is rejecting donald trump has won North Carolina. He saw that his people were going to leak the information about weiners laptop so he had to come out and say it. It is not so much, comey trying to hand the election to trump, as the fbi trying g to hand the election. It is really important to note, since the 1990s, there was a time from the 1960s until the 1990s when also to people, the press, the left, liberals, were basically attacking institutions like the fbi and cia and u. S. Military. In the 90s, a lot of liberals at least have basically dropped that attack and started to make these institutions somewhat sacred. Not questioning them. Now it is coming back to bite in a way. If what you mentioned before, the one projection that says trump wins the Electoral College popular, itwins the will be bitterly ironic. One of the things that happened in the s selection, you had d tp the trtrue revolutionary. Youu had trump saying, the systm is rigged. And then, in response to that, the democrats said, the system is not rigged. In fact the system is rigged. It is rigged in the opposite direction than trump claims. Outcome,hat particular that was rigged in the constitution. Rather than having president ial election by popular vote, which is the logical thing for a this systemou have which was supposed to be a check. The constitution is full of various checks as what they thought as the mob then. You had this incredible situation where the right was the candidate of revolution. The democrats saying, the system is essentially ok. 538 is saying a 61 chance trump wins. This is important. They are not with the New York Times. Point. An important i am enough of a studentnt of capitatalism to say, i am goingo put less faith in 538 or the New York Times and more in the futures markets. They are running screaming. As wasas pointed out, Hillary Clinton was the candidate of a mainstream establishment. You may lilike it, you may disle it. A lot of wall street was counting on logic. What you may dissociate from the New York Times, the markets are basically responding to them. Im not in any way dismissing. They dont move the money unless they think something is happening. They are getting the same projections that we are. Whenare responding more the second comey letter came out, they saidid, actually, we wewere wrong. Dont have any reason to investigate, we saw the markets responding. Hillary was the klan to date candidate of the status quo. When we look back at the brexit, many of us vote about the brexit and said, there can be in votes out there. The brexit vote, even folklks in the markets, european markets, fullyre not necessarily invested in the european union, something shocking happen. Something they did not expect. I am suggesting we are seeing an indication from folks who have to makeke decisions tonight basd on the what they think is going to happen. They are talking billions of dollars. We are not there yet. And it could shift, but after the brexit vote, the next morning. You saw people in shock. Sheriff joeing arpaio has lost his aid for seven term after facing criminal charges. In a moment, we are going to go to a arizona but right nowow wee going to michigan. With 50 2 of the vote in, just over half, trump is beating clinton. 48. 3 to 46. 6 . Cnn has been predicting trump trumpin the detroit . Will win. The to freud free press ingested clinton will win. Your thoughts right now. It is premature to say who is going to win. Cityit, still the largest in the state, about half of the vote has been counted. It is about 80 africanamerican. There could be enough votes to push secretary clinton over the top. It is too close to call. Amy you are saying detroit has not in counted . Last time i checked, have not been counted yet. Amy your thoughts, whether or not donald trump or clinton wins, that donald trump has surged so much. U work in michigan representing the Muslim Community, the largest Muslim Community inside the United States. Your thoughts. , thenald trump and his last week of his campaign, the last few days, he went back to some things he was saying earlier. Muslim bashing and arab bashing. He was in Sterling Heights thomas two days ago. Making comments about arab refugees. Comments relating to muslims. He also made comments bashing the somali american community. Has tapped into something i think a lot of americans have underestimated, white nationalism. Between the racism in our country and the economic woes and challenges, especially in rust belt states, he has stirred up a type of anger amongst people. Muslims are on that tree. Amy the significance of the hard push the Clinton Campaign made with mr. Khan who spoke at convention. He has been campaigning directly with Hillary Clinton. Telling donald trump to read the constitution. Secretary clinton did do that. The american muslim vote was not going to go to donald trump anyway. Continued to use him as a surrogate. Who knows if that may have had, oren her a little push goodwill at the dnc. As far as those people on the muslims andnt like kept on hearing that rhetoric perhaps theya, exceptional eyes them as one particular family but looked at the rest of the Muslim Community as well as immigrants, other people of color, as the real threat to our country. That may have helped secretary clinton any longterm of her campaign. In the longterm of her campaign. Amy what do you think a Trump Presidency, it has not been called by any means, what do you for the would mean arabamerican and Muslim Community . I think it would be a further erosion of Civil Liberties that started under the Bush Administration as well as the Obama Administration. The Obama Administration has been very friendly in terms of rhetoric. Legacy,look at his his controversial surveillance programs, i think keeptrump would at best the status quo. At best expanded those programs that have negatively affected all americans. In particular, focusing on targeting american muslims. I want to thank you for being with us. He executive director of care michigan. With just over half of precincts reporting, trump beating clinton by a small margin. To 46. 6 . Cnn is leaning toward trump. The Detroit Free Press says she believes they believe clinton is taking the state. Wins, in terms of political activism, people have to look very seriously about trying to take over the Democratic Party. Sanders came somewhat close to doing that. I was shocked he got as far as he did. Thatit is interesting Bernie Sandersrs won the michign primary. If you look at history, when a party has a disaster, the other wing of the party, the wing whose nominee was not the cause of the disaster, they tend to take it over. When mcgovern was crushed by nixon, the democrats started to swing right. When carter failed to win reelection, the democrats went further right. In, donald trump has won utah. The process culminated in the bill clinton new democrats. Neoliberalt model collapsing, at least being slapped in the face. Right now but especially if people, whoactivist want some decency, have every ground to say to the democratst, get out of the way. Gos party has to change and more in the direction that speaks to working people. That is the first thing. Ae second, if trump wins, in political sense, we have to go on a war footing. People have to appreciate just how bad it is given the fact mentioned, there are the first two years and he second two years. In the first years, the democrats will all but certain have the filibuster power to Block Movement through the senate. Highlysecond two years, likely the republicans will have such control of the senate, the democrats will no l longer be ae to block. And then, god help us. Ae things that trump and filibuster proof senate and house can do, you dont want to think about it. Keep in mind. In much of the world live under these kinds of political conditions. Leadership like a Trump Presidency. , many people managed to stand up and resist. It is a different style of politics, a different way of living. This is the way most of the world lives. Resistance would be so different. Never, never, will not we have not thought since the 1960s of people being gunned down in the streets. Lives matter yoyoung people lay down to block traffic, the expectation is there will not be shooting and tanks will not run over them. Under trump, there w will be no such expectation. As attorneyi general. The only shining light, if trump wins, and we have not called this. Ght is whatining li ralph nader was talking about. The number of seats the republicans are likely to win. The democrats forgot these rural areas. Could i just offer in appeal agreement with you. In a whipsaw situation, for quite a while. When a Political Party gets to a dominant situation, we go back. 2002 under, even in george w. Bush. The republicans did not do as well. In 2006, they were devastated. In 2010, the democrats were devastated. I dont for a minute underestimate money in politics. Gerrymandering. A host of other factors. They often benefit the republicans. Present trump creates the possibility for a whipsaw situation. Isre that become significant someplace we dont talk about much. The states. Where the republicans at this point have the greatest dominance. Governorships. There are states like michigan, wisconsin, and others. States that could be more progressive. If the democrats got their act together, which i would never predict, if they were to get their act together. Whatever happens in the house and senate, you are drawing the lines for the 2020 election. I agree. I think that is quite possible. If trump wins, he is locked in for four years. From the federal levelel, he wil wallleashing attorney john general Chris Christie or whatever. That is what happens in times of revolution and crisis. Big changes can happen quickly. You have cross currents. This is the way much of the world lives. We are seeing it in the u. S. For the first time in a while. Chris christie you mentioned. It would be interesting to see if he gets investigated. Two of his top aides were convicted. This is about the shutting down of the George Washington bridge. Also, the issue of sheriff arpaio. Since 1993. Sheriff phoenixtwo of former police officer. Sheriff arpaio is currently facing criminal contempt of court charges. He could face up to six months in jail. It is interesting. That is sweet. Sheriff joe losing end facing the possibility of jail, i hope they put him in the pink jumpsuit he used to make prisoners wear. Downid he deliberately cut on the calories of the food he would feed the prisoners to keep them weak enough to keep them from acting up. That is basically the same effect throughout history has been in effect in the poorest countries. Central0s, when hondurasas happening, was not. They said everyone was to hungry. Amy i want to go to the director of latinos vote and manager of political campaigns for people for the american way. Speaking to us from phoenix. Be the about this defeat of sheriff arpaio. Interesting. Ly one narrative coming out of this story here in arizona is we can finally say arizona is a true battleground state. About 40,000 or so votes between Hillary Clinton and donald trump. We saw that he lost. Also see mccain winning by 10 percentage points. We also have a win for an increase of the minimum wage. We truly see something changing here in arizona. We can talk about why that is the case. A lot of folks compare what happened in arizona to california. There has been a lot of work on the ground to ensure everything is in place for the community to come together. To pass minimum wage increases. We see great opportunities to continue to expand that. Arpaio is known as a major trump supporter. It is unclear what the disposition of the Justice Department would be in investigating him if donald trump becomes president. That is a really interesting question. He is no longer going to be in office. That is a huge win for the people of arizona. It will be interesting to see what does happen with his charges. Amy breaking news out of wisconsin. Ron johnson was reelected to the u. S. Senate. The race was just called. It was not that close. You are surprised. I am surprised this is the result tonight. It is clear when the numbers started coming in. I have to tell you, Russ Feingold ran as good a campaign as you would expect. He had given it up. He ran a good campaign. I hate to say this. He ran many of the ways we were talking about. He was counter to some of the mistakes the Democratic Party prickling makes and he made ran a more positive campaign. There were a host of issues the democrats dont talk about. Elizabeth warren said essentially, we have to get this guy in. It is so hard to defy the top of the ticket. I dont know every state but i know wisconsin ready well. Candidates voting democratic. Counties goinge , they areblican probably just going to win. Was not able to get out of that. Suggests, hillary ton was doing well, it will be interesting to look at which candidate as a challenger. Top ofgers define the the ticket, it is so rare. The senate race, at least you have a shot. I am looking here in new york state. It is a state that is going to vote Hillary Clinton. Your competitive districts have done pretty well. This is the person progressive were anxious to get into congress. I think on another night, she would not be trailing. 11 32 as we speak, eastern time. Closed and all u. S. States. Hillary clinton won california and hawaii. Idaho and utah. Other key battleground states, New Hampshire, pennsylvania, michigan, are too close to call. The New York Times reporting donald trump has a 95 percent chance of winning the Electoral College. So far, he has one thing alabama, arkansas. Mississippi, missouri, montana. Orth dakota, south dakota wyoming, and, three of five electoral votes. Hillary clinton has won california, connecticut. Hawaii, maryland. New jersey, new mexico. Vermont,hode island, and virginia. Markets are reacting with our futures limiting 400 points. The value of the mexican peso falling. Ron johnson has won senate reelection. In arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio has lost his bid for reelection. Challengeright to paul penn zone. Just today, a high School Marched out. They voted with their feet. , holding awalk out banner as they marched down the street. Attorney general, harris has won her senate race in california, becoming the woman inianamerican the senate. I wanted to go back the guardian, saying this is eager than brexit. They said, brexit was the biggest thing to hit written since world war ii. Saying, this is bigger than brexit. Markets plunge as trump takes florida. We are joined also in the studio, in california, a writer. Thehave been covering intersection of money and politics. Your recent piece, donald trump recruits corporate lobbyists to select his future administration. This is coming closer to possible although this race has not been called yet. Donald trump and Hillary Clinton, 20 minutes walking distance from each other. Hillary clinton at the jacob javits center. Talk about what you know about how donald trump is preparing for a Trump Presidency. Donald trump was very savvy brand, theting his character he presented to voters. He was unorthodox. He cut against the republican todition by campaigning protect Social Security and medicare. Entitlement. He would fight against big business and lobbyists. He would reject big money and not have a super pac. That is something he said consistently for the last two years. It attracted a lot of support. Showseeing exit polls that some states have unit Union Households that voted for trump. Unfortunate for the American People, the image he has constructed does not comport with reality. He has been working to cultivate his own super pacs. His own big money. Working with lobbyists. His Transition Team, that is the story. His Transition Team run by corporate lobbyists. Advisor, helping to select his future epa and Energy Policy agenda. Industries Koch Industries lobbyists. Iss Transition Team effort being led by Chris Christie, who is very cozy with the business elite. That trump manufactured, he is an antiestablishment populist who rejected big money, lobbyist influence, it isnt real. It certainly helped him attract many voters. If you look at some of these outcomes in swing states like michigan. Important point about money in politics. Earlier, we were talking about senate races. Earlier we were talking about, because a lot of the corporate elite on the republican side were uneasy about trump, they poured their money down ballot into the senate. That is a massive factor. It is very ironic, feingold is a victim of that. He was the leader trying to diminish the role of money in politics. Famous mccain ill which then collapsed. One thing that happened, the democrats started to legitimize again the scope of money in politics. They did criticize Citizens United. They said that was the straw that broke the camels back. Also, a key event, when obama decided not to accept the Public Finance money. He felt he had to outspent in mccain andfeat first romney. He was probably right about that. In terms of the tactical challenge he was facing. Obama did that, it opened the door. Nobody have to buy the question of whether clinton would accept public financing. It wasnt even mentioned. Have accepted the principle of unlimited money. Although on paper, clinton did outspend trump, it was a money election. Most money in politics goes for tv. Trump got his tv free. I have written a lot of books about money and politics and looked at these issues closely. Yes, it goes to tv. This is a money and politics election. The first in the new age of media. We should fully understand, not only did donald trump, because he was more entertaining, media was so obsessed with him, not only did he get hourlong infomercials on cable stations. Broadcast, cable in america, a driving force, not central to everything. Also, a lot of outcasts broadcasts shifted from a situation where you might have david sirota on. He might Say Something nasty about donald trump. And Say Something nasty about Hillary Clinton. There might be a lot of reality in there. That is not there anymore. Now it is a surrogate for donald trump. A surrogate for Hillary Clinton. They just argued. They say, this is my truth, this is your truth. It makes also unreal, i think the situation money is a big factor. Now we have a new media system. A new media reality. That new media reality means if you have sufficient celebrity and prominence to get that walltowall, you dont have to raise as much money. You get the same thing. They are having their parties a couple of blocks apart. Great point here. It is a failure of before the state. We understand the Fourth Estate to be a crucial part of the functioning of democracy. Part of what we have seen is a complete failure to vet the branding of donald trump as a billionaire populist. They were kind of tickled by the phase phrase. And that of understanding what understanding what this meant, they allowed this. As onessed it up close, of those persons who found himself on a morning show, the weight in which donald trump was covered. It is worth adding, there was a lot of great Investigative Journalism about donald trump. I think there was less of it about Hillary Clinton. There are two bank points. One, there was not enough Investigative Journalism about both of them. Thethere was a lot within not big enough high. Now, whyg question is didnt much of it land . There were a couple of things. Morning joe is a great example. They were thrilled to get a call from donald trump. It wasnt that his interview was scheduled. He called. He just might feel like calling. You dont have to take the call. With the muslim ban, saying he couldnt vote for him. And then this that that followed. He was just calling them to fox. Fox just turned the network over to him. Sean hannity. The second thing, when we look at the way this trump thing works, there was some great Investigative Journalism. I think the Washington Post did a good job. Did not journalists look at his business dealings. I think were talking now about have Business People who have cheated as many people as he has. Knowledge, this is pure speculation. I believe he has business dealings with russia. Are relationships with ukraine. His former campaign manager. We did a story about how donald trump, his defense of himself, he basically lost their money. He said it a National President making it more difficult precedent making it more securitieso file claims against wall street. He changed effectively National Policy for millions of people. I thought it was a good story. We knew, or at least i knew, when you write a story at this point rooted in policy. Media,in things the tv present company excluded, doesnt care much about, it is difficult to expect stories like that to land, to have traction. Part of that is because the bubbles you described that media creates. There ishat is something less sensational about a story that may affect millions of people. Our guest is joining us. Who writes for the new y York Daily News and daily beast. His 1991 biography of donald trump was just published. It is good to be able to talk to you again. We were interviewing you about donald trump. Your thoughts at this point. The latest news we have, donald trump has won florida. Fox news has called wisconsin for donald trump. Iowa, fox news, has called iowa for donald trump. Your thoughts. Cnn has not called it yet. I dont think the race is over yet but certainly it seems to be leaning in donalds direction at the moment. Night for attough least are part of america. Tough to believe and accept. I keep thinking about who spring springsteen,ce strangely enough. That is a reflection of the Clinton Campaign. How little they thought about white workingclass voters. Interviewringsteen two months ago. Summary asked him, why havent you been out on the stump like you were for obama . He said, nobody asked. If you got a messenger like that, they never went to wisconsin in the whole campaign. They may lose the election in wisconsin. Played a clip of Bruce Springsteen being interviewed in britain about donald trump. I am using him of an embodiment, how democrats can appeal to white workingclass voters. This is a tragic failure. A tragic failure of the labor movement. We are seeing, remarkably, i think in county after county, take scranton as an example, sections of the country, white and workingclass voters are willing to vote for barack. They are now voting for trout. Amy breaking news, donald trump has won the key battleground state of georgia. Keep going. I dont know why they didnt call that one hours ago. Seem to be clear. The tallies were coming in. When you look in the rust belt, that shouldstates have some white workingclass voters for the democratic whethere, i dont know labor has an operation anymore. I dont know whether they prepare for election day. Some of the exit polls have indicated in some of these members,lf of labor unions. Excuse me. They are voting for trump. This is what is really shocking. Survey something i did not anticipate. You watch the guys on television makeave done so much to this possible. You realize, the people who believe the polls more than anyone else are the people on television who talk about them endlessly. Thought, we will give donald a break. We will give him a break there. We will keep that part of our audience. They thought, we will still coast to victory. I do think most of the people on these shows, donald is right about that. Couldnt imagine him as a president. We thought, we will toss a bone here or there and skip a good story here. Melania story, it turns out his wife was here illegally, that should be a giant story. It got almost no coverage on television journalism. Amy i think that story came out at the point where james comey had essentially said, or at least the media misinterpreted it to be, Hillary Clinton was under investigation for the new emails that were found. You are talking about Melania Trump when she was here before she got the approval for work as an immigrant in this country. She made Something Like 20,000. She violated immigration laws. He built his Campaign Around immigration. I bet you if you added up the airtime, that the story got, it would be infinitesimal. Is anther context, it unimportant story. But if your campaign was launched on the basis of illegal immigration, it is a major story that they chose to completely ignore. I could cite you 20 examples of that. Significant stories that got almost no airtime. This is a canvas on which elections occur. I wanted to ask you about a story, a story you are covering. We will be going till at least 12 30 Eastern Standard Time because this election has not been called. It sounds like we are moving in a certain direction. We are talking to one of the leading biographers of donald trump. Aboutave been writing trumps relationship with the fbi. Can you talk about this . It cannot be underestimated what happened. Extending me comey saying they are looking into investigating Hillary Clinton. They said, with active agents. These were not oneway conversations. There is what i call the fifth fbi, centeredthe around the new york fbi office. They are the ones who went with him with the results of the wiener emails. They really forced comey to write the email because he knew these guys were professional leakers. Letter to avoided he wasout as a leak that covering up that an investigation was ongoing. And then you manage in quick order to figure out there is nothing in the email. Meanwhile, they were leaking all over the place. Certainly, if you take him at has received 1. 3 million in contributions to his foundation. Talking. F them were the initial comey letter had some impact. Not sure the other letter had an impact at all. That was manipulated in large part. The only fbi director who bi agentout as an f and beloved by agents. They have an annual event. He was there guest speaker. There is the jihad going on with those guys. Rudy giuliani has been getting money from the super pac. The most anticlinton super pac they come out with stuff about the clintons. This is part of what pushed this exercise. Amy i am looking at talkingng points memoo sayaying People Center inout of the tetears. Attendees at the Election Night festivity for donald trump celebrated the announcement of a projected win or trump. By turning on Hillary Clinton and shouting, lock her up. It is what donald trump has promised. He said, he would seek prison for Hillary Clinton. I dont think that is going to be on the top of his agenda. There was that moment when the chant started. He corrected the audience. He said, lets beat her. I think that is really where his mind is at. I cant imagine as a president , he is going to make a top priority of arranging the indictment of his opponent. Although so many crazy things have happened that i hesitate to predict that. He is going to have some sort of agenda where he is going to try to get something. This would be a turbo outcome. We all know that. Hopefully there is still some hope this election will go another way tonight. Michigan, New Hampshire, pennsylvania. Wisconsin. Some of the nenetworks have not called. Has been. Nsin we want to thank you for being with us. York dailyor the new news, the daily beast. You should all read the biography ofof donald trump he wrote in 199991 that was just published as an ebook. Trump, thed, greatest show on earth. An economist. Former president of Bennett College. The head of africanamerican studies at princeteton universi. Of International Business times. John nichols with us from wisconsin. Joining us from San Francisco. I am amy goodman. We will be back any minute. In a minute. Amy this is democracy now. It is midnight on the east coast. Election day. The president ial race too close to call. Closed everywhere except the Western Islands of alaska. Donald trump is currently leading the Electoral College count at 232 to clintons 209. In the last hour, he has won georgia, and North Carolina. Clinton has won california, hawaii, and Washington State. Of key battleground states New Hampshire, wisconsin, and michigan are too close to call. The New York Times is reporting donald trump has a 95 percent chance of winning the Electoral College. Worldwide, markets are reacting to the news. L futures have plummeted more than 700 points. Asian stock markets have also tumbled. The value of the u. S. Dollar and mexican peso have fallen. To republicans are expected hold control of the senate and house. The oil and gas industry has won a huge victory in colorado after to make an amendment the constitution harder to amend. Meanwhile, massachusetts users have approved an amendment allowing for limited marijuana. One of nine states where Marijuana Legalization is on the ballot. Earlier tonight, florida, a medical Marijuana Initiative passed by a landslide. We are joined by a number of guests in studio with us in new york. Quite the stalwart economist. Eddie is with us, the head of africanamerican studies at princeton university. An investigative journalist. David sirota of International Business times. John nichols of the nation. A contrasting writer for the nation magazine. Is 12 02. Ok it actually, november 9, technically, at least on the east coast. A few minutes after election day. The election is far from decided. Michael denzil smith, respond to the latest. Michael, can you hear me . Yes. Can you respond to the latest news of this close race. It does look like donald trump has a higher number when it comes to Electoral College. Michael we are going to be subjected to a president donald trump. There are going to be a lot of Different Reasons that we are going to point to for why donald trump will win this election. It. Lieve he has all but one i dont anyone to lose sight of that after eight years of the first black president nt for whatever faultlts he has, we h e now elected a man who ran explicitly on a racist campaign. That is not accidental. This is American History playing out before us. This is whatever moment there progress,e form of there is a backlash. White supremacy does what it can to protect itself. This is the end of reconstruction coming and the destruction of like communities, the kicking people out of the purging of Voting Rights. This is the simultaneous submergence of the civil rights bills of the 60s of the 1960s but the federal intervention in Law Enforcement and a reagan era of conservatism that rolls back all of the gains. This is what happens. We cannot discount that. What we are witnessing is not some abnormality. We are not somehow we cannot look and say we have been better. This is who we have always been. That isds a message frightening. Moved as muchot as we would like to pretend we have. Ishink what we have to note barack obama was never going to be a Silver Bullet and i know that so many of us sitting here know that. It seems to have escaped a lot of people. It doesnt happen overnight but the casting of one ballot or two ballots. This is deeply ingrained in the fabric of this country. So as we talk about what hillary could have done and certainly the democrats couldve elected better candidates, someone who was going to appeal to that Obama Coalition and get them excited, particularly in a time when they were disillusioned with the stall of progress during the obama residency. Obama presidency. You saw occupy wall street and black lives matter. You couldve chosen a candidate who spoke or seems to have emerged out of that sort of tradition. There are all kinds of things that the democrats could have done. Iscouldve talked about this the first election without the full protection of the Voting Rights act and the effect that has had. White supremacy is undefeated and it is on display now. We steal ourselves for the fact that donald trump was able to run an explicitly racist racist campaign and have not be a detriment to it but bolster him. It is a response to what little progress the United States has made. We have to understand that. Amy from the first africanamerican president to one who is supported by the kkk, if in fact donald trump does get elected. I want to echo what mychal just said. Reveals who you are. Wees baldwin always insisted needed to look the ugliness of who we are squarely in the face if we were going to be able to imagine civilized. If we want to call this the second redemption, in response to the second reconstruction, we need to understand that are simply there are some different people on the landscape. If Donald Trumps supporters believe they have been emboldened to be aggressive and attack communities that are vulnerable, they to understand this is not our greatgrandfathers community or great grandmothers community. This is not 1876. It is going to be a different response. I dont want to caricature 1876, but it is going to be different response. If people think they are going to have Carte Blanche to intimidate, to jeopardize the future of my baby, they are going to have another thing coming. I want to say that explicitly. I am really i want to be careful, petrilli when liberals say the regrets could have approached these white workers these white bluecollar folks. What does it mean to do that . What attempted this are we ofing i am very critical the Democratic Party. I wrote none of the above on my. Allot because i voted be im very interested in how we parse what we mean by a attentiveness to white workers, to white bluecollar folks. What is the adjective doing their . I want us to be thoughtful about how we begin to think about the way in which we do the postmortem. And whether or not we are going to reproduce some very ugly things. Organized labor is going to have to take a look. They are going to have to take a look at a number of things in terms of tactics. We talked postmortem, we are reporting that president obama got 93 of the black vote, hillary got 85 . He got 71 of the latino vote. She got close to 60 . That was a diminished enthusiasm that people talked about. The dnc led by donna brazil couldve jumped in a little earlier. I think some of these i did not see reverend jackson empowered in the way he had been in the past, or reverend sharpton. Reverend jackson certainly did. There were others. One of things that the Democratic Party is going to have to realize is there has been a generational shift in leadership. You cannot go to the reverend jacksons. They are these younger people not only for the movement for black lives, but the kasim reed in atlanta. Something some of these some of these younger africanamericans endorsed her. If youresome of that not enthusiastic about me, i am not going to be busy yesterday about you. I think the question you asked about race is an excellent one an important one. Lets go back to the way many people vote. You cannot write the clintons out of an election about the clintons. This was in many cases for many voters a referendum on the clintons and all that they came to represent. Whether you think it is fair or not. This was a referendum and donald trump did an effective job of trying to make this a referendum on the clintons. I remember the first debate. Trump collapsed after the first 30 minutes. The problem is many people only watched the first 30 minutes. He was speaking and repeatedly about nafta, about trade, about issues that affect bluecollar workers white, black, latino. Donald trump spoke to those voters in a very powerful way, especially it really crystallized his argument in the first 30 minutes. When you ask and you raise the question, what are we talking over when we are obsessing white, workingclass voters . That weretable motivated by things donald trump was saying about muslims, immigrants. Theres also we could equally and is worthwhile to look at, there was workingclass white voters who may not been motivated by that, but simply were not prioritizing and effort to vote against that. Trump was thing to them on issues like nafta, corruption, even money and politics anyway in a way that they were not voting against trump about what he was saying about people of color. It is a much more nuanced conversation. It is not the first thing on their minds. It is not on it. It is not whiteness that is being activated. In that instance, we are not talking about the white, bluecollar worker. Were talking about bluecollar workerers. Whitee the adjective in the postmortem, what are we doing . What is the left doing . We know what the Democratic Party did when they had this challenge in the mid1980s. Dlc. Created conscious,e very part of what you are saying is key. Lets not forget the structural changes that have occurred in the last eight years. Trade Union Movement has been brutalized. We have states, wisconsin, michigan, indiana that were once trade union states which are now right to work states. Their Public Employees have been brutalized. We had a very Voting Rights. We had a very corrugated assault coordinated assault also to get justice. When we start to look at how much of Civil Society has been deconstructed in a time where we did not have the alarm bell, now we realize the situation wherein. I would agree, i think we have to be very careful about taking this is somehow some white workingclass thing. There is much bigger going on here. That is a Civil Society that worked for a lot of folks cross the lines of race, region, gender is not working. Now we have some desperation out there. I think our smart response is to understand the desperation. Amy go amy the democrat in ada versus the republican cap and cortez Catherine Cortez has one. Two go right to work measures were on the ballot in alabama and virginia. I will let you know whether they won. Professor the professors point is significant about the white workingclass voters who came out so strong into it for trump. There will be some within the democrats who say, this means we have to be more racist. The answer to that is no, we have to be more for workers, because there were two basic messages that people received from trump. The first, racism. The second, he is the one for workers. He is the one for ripping out the system by its roots. He is the one for recognizing that money corrupts politics. That was all bogus because of who he is, but because that is how people saw trump. Theesponse to those democrats would have to become more racist, it would have to become more for working people. What should be done within the Democratic Party now is swing back exactly the other way, the opposite of what was done and have a takeover of the Democratic Party by people who were more on the left and represent more of the interest of poor and working people. Clinton, if trump wins, clinton will have to give her concession. She will concede and if she does what every other politician does, is she will ask americans to unite around the president elect. It is inconceivable that clinton would do this but what she should say is yes, he won, those are the rules. He is going to be the next president , but i dont want you to unite around him, i want you to stand up against him. This man is a racist, this man is a protofascist. We have to stand up and bring down what this man represents. The democrats are used to playing the loyal opposition. Those are supposed to be the rules of american politics. In an emergency situation like this, really the beginnings of a new revolutionary period in america, loyal opposition cannot be defended. You have to drop the loyal part and become the opposition. Break this force that is threatening to restructure the entire system. Malveaux you are making points about structural changes that have happened in recent years. How once structural changes made, that reverberates for decades. What can happen now is trump and the radical rightwing factions which will now make up this new order, they are in line to set up one institutional change after another. The only thing that stands in the way is the filibuster of the democrats in the senate. I donts to me now, know how far you can count of that, because some of these democrats are going to be under his daughter is the epipen person a lot of these democrats on given issues they may not go with the filibuster. Mentioned there has been a good amount of reporting out there about trump, but one unfortunate fact about local systems is it doesnt matter what is on the public record. What matters is on the public mind. Something only gets on the public mind when it has been repeated. It is very interesting to compare censorship systems. In the soviet censorship system, information that was inconvenient to the ruling order would not get on the public record. On moscow, you cannot go to the library and find some verses subversive information. In the u. S. , it is entirely different. If you went into the library in recent years ago on the internet, you can find information about basically everything if youre willing to do deep enough. You can get the whole story. Not is really relevant for politics unless that information is repeated and repeated. The question of the power is who sets the rhythm of repetition deck the rhythm of repetition in the system dominated by money is set by figures like those who. Ontrol the tv networks you can go through the list of others. Another way of saying this is the propaganda works. Trump is a brilliant in central propagandist. He really likes with figures like the nays, goebbels, roger ailes. He knows how to do it. The propaganda is not done if trump becomes president , it is going to continue for the next four years. He is going to continue to be out there saying in the same style. It has been successful so far. It is likely to have quite a few successes Going Forward. How will the big Corporate Press respond to this . Maybe some of them will be brave enough to stand up, but i would bet that most of them will start to swing into line. Even many that have been externally snide about him during the campaign, has laughed at him, as the days go by, they will become closer and closer to the new president. Earlier there was mention on the morning joe show. I saw that on a number of. Ccasions during the Campaign Going on, it was very interesting, because on the one hand, it was like a chump rally. You could see the excitement pulsing through some of these people on that set about trump. On the other hand, they were throwing in this claim is in qualifiers, coming out that he was saying i cannot vote for trump, but he is tapping in. That is what politicians always do. They keep their options open. If one side wins, you can point saidto an old point you and say i was always on that side. A lot of these Corporate Press will swing the other way which is all the more reason why people have to ship into a new mode. This is a new kind of fight. Politically yet to be on a war footing. Amy clinton has won nevada. Interestingly, this update , and i would like the economist Julian Malveaux twos weighin Julianne Malveaux 2 00 a. M. The whole idea halted at limit down. What exactly that means . The maximum amount in which a price of a commodity futures contract may decline in one trading day. A danger point. The at the collapse more recent 2008. 1980s1990s, the late when we had in one day almost 1000 points lost. Certain percentage. This is crisis mode. It may bounce back, but it is crisis mode in the short run. It mean that people are very alarmed. Our stationsalert that we are going until one of a. M. Eastern standard time. If any of our guests have to leave, go right ahead. The doors are not locked. The latest news we have is what is happening in the world of donald trump. One of the anchors has just sent Donald Trumphat has abcs Campaign Reporter senior sources tell me that trump has left his Campaign Headquarters and is with his wife in his apartment. He needed a moment. He is taking this in. It also looks like california and massachusetts have legalized marijuana. I will let you know about that in just one moment. Find it useful. We are going to need marijuana. In terms of the crarash ofe market, the markets may be overreacting. On the one hand, yes they like stability and a trump will be force against stability. Also, it is very possible he will touch off a few more wars in short order. For some industries that can be difficult. In terms of actual Economic Policy, a lot of people went to the polls thinking g with trump they would getet populist economics. They will be bitterly disappointed. Paul ryan will be quite pleased with the economics of a trump residency. There was an interesting comment by conservative independent candidate before he declared he was a high republican aide in congress. He worked in the cia. A covert operator in the cia. He just left the congress a matter of weeks ago. Mcmullen remarked that when ,rump came to meet paul ryan trump said to ryan, yes, i will go along with cutting Social Security. Ryan and other republicans are obsessed with this. In fact, democrats like Gene Sperling who was clintons economic right hand also pushed for cutting Social Security. Obama was supporting that for a while. Figures like sanders in the congress. What you are what you would actually see in trump Economic Policy would be basically the same republican. Ryan, Koch Brothers styled economics, even though he was not the man they wanted. In that respect, the markets may be worrying a little too much. I think it is going to be a two or three day slump and then it is basically going to stabilize. Maybe 5 less than it was. Let us remember who has been empowered. It is paul ryan. Onl ryan is a beloved figure the part of the conservative figure of wall street which is a lot of it. It is nurtured wall street for decades. Party and much of the right despised the bank balance. Paul ryan is an amazing figure because he was able to convince them he was on their side. He went to the floor of the house and b begged republicans o support the what support the bailouts. He has voted for every major trade deal. Hes pushing the tbp right now. Beenryan has just tremendously empowered. He is empowered not by the election by this discussion we are having about the markets. Donald trump and the people around him need to get wall street going better, they got a guy who can go and talk to them, who they trust. You now have this situation of yes, donald trump has to go back to his apartment and think for a few minutes. ,f he is going to be president which we should dow down we should dial down for a second and say no one has conceded. If he does become president , he will meet with paul ryan. If he is a desesi thehe if hs not a full, as much as the media made a big deal about paul ryan not being excited about them, what did paul ryan say . I dont agree with what he said about muslims but i am going to back my nominee. I didnt like what i heard, but i am still backing my nominee. Paul ryan was the number one facilitator of donald trump, because he never said this man is unacceptable to the Republican Party. He did not campaign with him at the very end, right . He finallysaid said he was going to go to a rally and within seconds donald trump announced he was canceling. Ryan went on fox late last week and they asked him and he said i already early voted for donald trump. He did his work and i think the relationship. Talking about all that was the information that was released through wikileaks, and all that was linked. Was leaked. I want to ask you about the leaks around Debbie Wasserman schultz. All that reveals how much Hillary Clinton was trying to undermine Bernie Sanders through the. Of period. The issue that Hillary Clinton had to deal with was courting the millennials, the huge in these just to crowds that supported Bernie Sanders. How much you think this has weighed in. We dont have results at this point and we are going to do a summary of what we know in just a moment. Talk about what came out in these last weeks. A question to me . Yes. I am sorry about that. The revelations were very interesting. Someone covered the democratic primary very closely. What was interesting and what that feels this larger conversation, when large institutions that are pivotal part of the democratic coalition. The lg pt timidity the Lgbt Committee shot their member base by endorsing Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. Members preferred bernies over bernie over hillary. Bernie was much stronger progressive and almost every area. Bernie a big supporter of union rights against for trade deals. And clinton decides to go with Hillary Clinton. The same for the environment of groups. Bernie sanders let the opposition to the keystone xl. He led opposition to fracking. Hillary clinton has made fracking really a part of her political agenda. Never she is gone around to different countries, partnering with exxonmobil and chevron to develop fracking projects. The environmentalist groups endorsed Hillary Clinton over bernie. You look at these wikileaks emails and you see some of the deliberations and we talk about money and politics and how the democratic pol to its electric its a electorate. You see the raw power of relationships of the democratic machinery. You see the way that Hillary Clinton responded. When in these endorsements undeservedly. Hillary clinton worked with her surrogates in the media. She worked with a group of loyal journalists who would accuse Bernie Sanders and supporters of being too sexist. A machinery tof diminish critics on the left and to push aside any complaints about Hillary Clintons resume that she embodies the pay to play politics that people on the left and right are fed up with. She championed the interest of her owners of her donors. She is very close to wall street. For folks who are concerned within the Democratic Party, they cannot fight this very strong system of democratic consultants, bigmoney donors and cozy relationship between the powers that control the dnc. Weremails certainly shocking to many. For folks to cover the primary, we saw this play out and the email confirmed the relationship between clinton, her donors and many different power players. I want to say that it has been announced, ap is calling nevada for clinton. Wall street journal has posted something interesting. Says ifeet journal trump wins with if trump wins wisconsin and iowa, Hillary Clinton must when michigan, pennsylvania, New Hampshire and nevada. 269 to 269 tie. What would this mean . The wall street journal says in this event of this extremely unlikely outcome coming here is how the process of picking the next president would unfold. The Electoral College is set to meet on december 19. Electors from each state are expected to vote then for the president ial candidate who won the popular vote in their state. The elect doors do not meet in person. Electors are required to vote for the candidate who won their states popular vote. And half of the state, electors are free to vote how they choose. It says, even contravening the part of the vote in the state, if the Electoral College appears deadlocked on Election Night, a single elector could change his or her vote and award the election either way. That you look at the maps trump now needs to win, ththe rt belt, places like North Carolina and florida. Those states that perfectly with the map of clinical investment that groups like the u. S. Theber of commerce and Political Network controlled by the Koch Brothers where they have poured hundreds of millions of dollars in resources to local think tanks, to commend the organizing groups organizing tea parties, organizing other folks in the right. That is how they meticulously flipped statehouses from this locals q level and elevating them up on the way to congress and for governor and other state positions. Michigan, wisconsin, North Carolina, these are the state that on a local level democrats have controlled for the last 100 years. This coalition of bigmoney interests, this is divorced from when we talk about super packs. In terms of funding political epicenter, this was a longterm fact that the Koch Brothers made eight years ago that they would flip these states. They would fund organizers, change the culture. Even hired local journalists to propagate conservative ideas and critique democrats and Progressive Groups. They have meticulously shifted all of the states to the right, particularly in the upper midwest and North Carolina. They have done this with success. Donald trump benefited from the confidence that a lot of these swing senate seats. Those were also swing president ial seats. When the Koch Brothers were spending tens of millions of likely a lot of these voters were trump voters. The same thing for North Carolina. When they were turning out voters for richard burr, they were turning up voters for donald trump. The point he just made is important. The attitude of a lot of the national democrats. A lot of the started doing the first Clinton Administration when the levels below president of the National Legal system started to move toward the right, the attitude of the National Leadership was that is not as important because there were these claims there was a lock on the presidency is of the Electoral College because of the graphics. The Koch Brothers knew better. Through outfits like alec and others, they were systematically building a base in the states. Earlier you mentioned the Electoral College. There is one elector in the state of washington who announced a couple of weeks ago that he will not vote for Hillary Clinton. Interestingly, he is doing it from the left. He had been a bernie supporter. He is saying, i am not going to vote for hillary. If that tie scenario works out, who knows . Another thing that we saw during the course of this election as the polls were accurately indicating that support for democrats among white, workingclass was declining, what the democrats were saying, oh, no problem, we have that covered with republicans, collegeeducated republicans. There was a swap going on they said. Ok, we lose the workingclass, but we get the collegeeducated no problem. They had great equanimity about this, completely abandoning the recent historic peel base of the Democratic Party. A lot of that is coming home to roost, because i wonder how many of those collegeeducated republicans in the suburbs the became so famous i wonder how many of them ended up voting for clinton . Especially after the fbi intervened . Echo wightman ended up voting for trump. Mencollege at white ended up voting for trump. Collegeeducated women but if for hillary. I am going to interrupt. It is 12 41. Yes, it is 12 41 in the morning after election day. The polls are closed nationwide the president ial race too close to call. Hillary clinton has won nevada. The key undecided about iran states, trump is leading in New Hampshire and michigan while quentin is leading in minnesota. The two arent in the can pennsylvania. Donald trump has more than a 95 chance of winning the Electoral College. The nasdaq 100 and s p futures hit their limit down. The maximum amount stocks could fall before a curve kicks in to avoid market collapse. Asian stock markets have plummeted 700 points. Specialistns banking , joe trainer, calls this bigger than brexit. The independent is calling the official website for citizenship and immigration canada has crashed as people across the United States looking how to leave the country. Down ballot news, the republicans are expected to maintain control of the senate and house. Vermont, phils got, the current Lieutenant Governor has won the governors race depend defeating sue mentor. Minter. She is my sisterinlaw. Bernie sanders back Zephyr Teachout lost the house race. While in Washington State, another progressive candidate has won her house race. Defeating republican grady locke and show. She was supported by Bernie Sanders. Joining us from New Hampshire, donald trump from donald trump has a 15 point lead over Hillary Clinton. A a 15onald trump has point 15 vote lead over Hillary Clinton. He is ahead 15 votes. Host in New Hampshire, she was a democratic nominee in 1992 for governor. While a similar measure was defeated in virginia. I will talk about more measures and Ballot Initiatives. We have earning onlnline from nw hampshire we have ernie online from New Hampshire. Donald trump has a 15 vote lead in New Hampshire . If anyone ever thought their vote doesnt count . It is amazing. What is more amazing. Kelly ayotte and Maggie Hassan arnie did heat. Kelly is up 2000 votes. What is remarkable is kelly walked away from donald trump. Kelly walked away. She said i am not voting for him p im writing in she is beating all of them. It is remarkable. What does that say about this race . You see trump here is what i got the clinton, and colin then austrian is losing to donald trump is winning by a hair and kelly ayotte is the top vote getter and she is the one that abandoned trump. Nonpartisanmost confusing race i have ever seen, because nothing makes sense except for one thing this is the state where Bernie Sanders got more votes than any democrat in state history, and a president ial primary. Can i repeat that . Donald trump one here and Bernie Sanders one here. What does that say about what is really driving the unhappiness . Counted at votes are this point . What percentage of the vote . 85 in. Ve about the problem is he is probably going to win come because what is left out there are the very rural areas, where if you look anywhere else, it is following the same pattern. He will deliver for donald trump. 1996iran for congress in when i ran for congress in 1996, it was in those rural areas where i lost. They have more moose than people. Who cares . What we have discovered, when you come together discount together count together all of those rural areas, they have a significant punch. It is a crazy i said this morning on the radio, that the person who wants to lose this race more than anyone else is donald trump. I think he is terrified. I think he is terrified. He doesnt want to govovern. He wants to say i told you so. Point. Is an interesting you quoted from a report saying that trump retreated to take this all in. I was at the republican convention. This was in the street. In the street iran to roger stone street i ran into redstone, the gas into roger stone. One of trumps key people. I asked him if you think the polls are accurate . I was very surprised by his response. He said yeah, i think they are accurate. At that point, i was thinking that trump was ahead and here was redstone saying no, where behind now. The published polls are accurate. What that meant was he was not believing their own propaganda. Publicly they have been singalong, we are going to win any wave. No, wetone is saying dont think it is so. It is not just the democrats who are shocked. Also. K the trump people he is terrified. He promised them everything. He said i can fix it. He told terminally ill people, dont die yet. He has a messiah complex. The problem is now republicans have to be horrified because he promised them everything. You never told him how he was going to do it. The last thing he wants to do is be president , because he has to deliver on everything he said and he knows it is impossible. Look, heres the bottom line. What happened tonight, it donald trump wins. The republican establishment which we kept hearing was against him in the last 72 hours of this campaign, they decided they would rather have him than Hillary Clinton. They closed this thing off by pulling people in that have been critical of trump. When kelly ayotte is running ahead of donald trump, the fact of the matter is people led by if we all come out we can do this and we can get the presidency and the house and senate. I realized that trump has to adjust but we should understand, if trump becomes president what just happened. In the states across this country, in this modern era, we had we poke and governors pick parts many of those governors were dismissed us silly characters, ridiculed by many of us. Paul ryan, Mitch Mcconnell and donald trump. They will have a plan. They will begin to implement it quickly. I want to promise you i saw wisconsin and a progressive state. By thedone with start of march. In addition to Ernie Arneson in New Hampshire, on the line with us from pennsylvania which is still too close to call. He is the columnist for the Philadelphia Daily News and the author of the byrne identity. Well, your thoughts today will, your thoughts today . From the numbers i am seeing, we are seeing the same kind of phenomenon we are seeing in wisconsin and michigan. Hillary clinton is performing as well in philadelphia and its suburbs which have gone 2008ratic as obama did in and 2012. What is tipping the stage is an unexpected surge in the rural areas of the state. A vast majority of the real estate is very rural. They call it the key. These votes have not balanced out. The big cities, this year they seem to have balanced out. Reportedw york times that trump is up in pennsylvania by 35,000. That is more recent than the numbers that i have seen. I have seen him slightly ahead. Im not surprised to hear that. Situation, it is unlikely that clinton is going to win heavily at this point which is a huge upset. There was never a major poll from the campaign in which Hillary Clinton was losing the trump. Nobody saw this coming. Trump seemed to be extremely unpopular in the philadelphia which is where elections are supposed to be decided. This is quite a shock. We havent talked about the whole issue of sexual assault. Out aftered to come the access Hollywood Video tape, this wasnt the women coming forward first, it was he himself once the videotape was out, and we saw what he said, that he basically assaulted women and one after another, women came out when he denied it to anderson cooper. Your thoughts . Person that is getting close to the presidency who has admitted to assaulting women. Said when these women came out that they were not attractive enough to assault. I am almost speechless, next because of that but because i am looking. It is s very likely, if Hillary Clinton if hillary loses that donald trump will be the next president. This is someone who is despicable. He is someone who has used the rawest of blank which about almost everybody. Your point earlier about how allowed his racism because if yet said the jews are thests, that wouldve been end of it. I am not sure what is going to happen. We have legislation on the books, violence against women. Given his attitude and one of the big issues is campus rape and culture which is an extension of the trump behavior where boys will be boys. If she was to jump to say no, then she meant yes. Gillibrand has been one who pushed this very hard. The obama adadministration has htened up with the campuses have to report rates when they happen. I am sure this president will be indifferent to those kind of things. It is a Chilling Effect for women, for africanamericans, four immigrants, for everybody. Rhetoric withhe Public Policy possibilities, we are in trouble. Remember at the convention, trump kept saying i am the law and order candidate. He is not serious. Also enforce the laws against sexual assault. As a general rule, whenever anybody talks about law and order, what they mean is law and order for their opponents. They consider themselves to have these certain rights with people like trump, kind of like the like lords of the feudal matter feudal manner to pick out a woman and do whatever they want. I was saying during the campaign, trump is a protofascist. Some people were comparing him to mussolini. Some were comparing him to hiller. Years, i met and fought against people who are fascist who are mass murderers come in places like haiti and guatemala and el salvador and indonesia. It is hard to make a direct comparison, because of those systems are very different from the american system. There is still violent repression that is involved. Where is violent oppression used to happen in the american midwest and south, now happens the oppression has been outsourced. It is a different system. If you look at the figures who are leading these trump like photo fascist protofascist movements, one element of their appeal not so much their appeal, but the emotional current they are writing includes of violence against women. In thailand, we have 20 seconds. Our sorry but 1 00 is 12 59 with a wrap this up. It is a most 1 00 in the morning. President ial race is too close to call. Key undecided battleground New York Times is reporting donald trump has more than a 95 chance of winning the Electoral College. We will bes back at it 00 a. M. For a twohour special. We want to thank all of our guests. Her new book is are we better off, race, obama and Public Policy. And wilill bunch from philadelphia. That does it for our broadcast tonight. This is truly an historic night. 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