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Anderson joining me if you are listening to the program on Monday you know that I announce that we are going to have Dr Dubrow ties with us to talk about the significance of Francis Schaffer and we will do that but over the weekend I am not ignoring the something that is very significant and that is 30 people dead as a result of 2 different mass shootings one in El Paso Texas one and Dayton Ohio this last hour on a local show I spent an hour covering that and we will come back to that topic again in about an hour but I do believe that sometimes in the midst of all the you can. Has encountered charges the confusion the misinformation as well as the emotions I do think I want to continue on with our conversation that we had scheduled today and will do so so if you have some comments about the shootings and if you want to add to that not only the one in El Paso Texas but also in Dayton Ohio also the one in Gilroy California we're going to get into some of that and we do have an article on the mass shootings on our Web site one on the so-called contagion effect and I will have more to say about that a little bit later as well as some other topics that are certainly relevant we will be talking about that but I wanted to if I can move forward with a conversation I've been looking forward to for some time and that is a conversation with a good friend Dr Doug group ties who is an individual that has it worked in this area of world view and apologetics for decades and has published lots of great books for example his book on Christian apologetics unmasking the New Age truth decay philosophy in 7 sentences and the most recent book that we talked about last time he was on the program walking through twilight a wife's illness a philosopher's lament since that time he has lost his wife Becky and has been remarries We'll talk about that in just a minute and a vigil is a member of the have a jungle Theological Society there in Jellicoe Philosophical Society the society of Christian philosophers professor at Denver Seminary holds a bachelor's and ph d. From the University of Oregon a master's in philosophy University of Wisconsin in Madison an individual that has been an instructor at such places as Westminster Theological Seminary University of Oregon and of course Denver Seminary to grow Tice always great to have you on the program with us thank you Kirby. I can't help but think about what's been happening in the country with all this mass violence. I was just thinking a few minutes ago Francis Schaffer respond to this my 1st thought was that he would cry. A man of the feeling. Compassion and he would try to get to the heart of the matter the best he could but there's certainly a place or. Found emotion when we look at tragedies like this and when we wonder what's going to happen next he was a very engaged man with people personally want on one and also a very deep thinker and it's rare to find someone like Well again we've had you on to talk about your wife I talk about jazz as we have done and I thought just for a minute we might update people because we have of course chatted with you when your wife was still alive you course lost your wife but you are remarried and not only remarried but you've been up there in Alaska I'm going to be up in Alaska later this month so I always kind of see what the temperature is like where you are but I know that your new wife had a bit of a health care How is she doing now yes Kathleen's doing well he has her and we had unexpectedly have it replaced 2 weeks ago but we were able to get into Anchorage about normally an hour and a half drive I made it a little more quickly without getting a speeding ticket. He got in experts to help her real world class position and so it all went swimmingly well we felt that it. Oh by the Lord. You're good great let me just mention that we have a link to his website and a lot of people if they have one of his books know how to spell his last name but if you don't the good news is we have a link to to grow ties dot com also have links to various social media as well so you will find that in one of the articles I posted Doug was one that you wrote a while back called Francis Schaffer pastor of Angeles typology just profit so I was going to sort of use that to get into it but before we do let's just talk about the impact that franchise Shaffer had on you and me I'm with a group called probe ministries used to be with pro ministries and frankly I don't know if probe ministries would have existed without Francis Schaffer of the 2 of the founders of probe ministries had been reading the God who was there and some of the other books by Francis Schaffer felt that there was really a need for Christians to develop and articulate a biblical worldview and to do apologetics in the classroom and as a result certainly were very influenced by him when Francis Schaffer came to Dallas on 2 separate occasions Whatever happened to the human race and before that how should we then live probe was the sponsor of both of those groups of people that had worked with Francis Schaffer actually helped us put some of those conferences on we've had good ties to people like aws Guinness and others so he had a very profound impact on me and the organization I'm still with but I know that you talk about the fact that I think and was the fall of 1976 you picked up one of the books the God who was there and a University of Oregon bookstore and that was influential in your life as well wasn't it. Yes I was a young Christian at the time I just converted that summer and I think that this book with a very abstract cover I'd heard of Schaefer from a friend but I had not read the books that she had known me for some reason and I dug into that book and I found a Christianity that as I said in the article has backbone brain muscle guts and heart Schafer was a kind man compassionate he really cared about people who were lost whose worldview did not give them adequate answers for life or meaning for life and so he ranged over possibly theology poetry cinema and the book also the reading it recently is filled with personal anecdotes of where he was communicating the Christian faith on the leaders and you see this tremendous sensitivity and fellow feeling he had found believers so that folks really helped on what I wanted to do as a Christian I was 19 at the time and I just become a Christian I wasn't quite sure how to think as a Christian I got involved with philosophy my 1st year of college and read the various philosophers and also studied you certain religions and I even attempted to be an atheist for a time because reading Freud in nature and Marx the great atheist thinkers and in the 19th the 20th century. Shaper really gave me a framework to fill in or you might say gave me a foundation to build from and I think it was to get my jazz reference right I think it was. Without our. Own social or moral. Let's take a break going come back to me my dear even mention some other people have been on this program by Nancy Pearcey eyes Guinness and John Whitehead course all of those of us having the conversation we recognize this may be a generation that knows not Schafer we're going to clarify that just as we've done in previous programs talking about people like c.s. Lewis will continue our conversation about French Schaefer right after this. To. Home schooling. Through a Christian worldview. Today I'm continuing to speak with Amanda alsa won't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself and your family I was homeschooled since kindergarten all the way up until I graduated when I was 17 and immediately in the fall I started heading Liberty University my family also homeschooled my younger sister as well as my younger brother Ok so how do you feel like your recent education your time in college especially you write a Christian college liberty is just you know well known as a place home schoolers like to attend How did you find that university strengthen your faith or not well liberty and particularly like you mentioned it is a Christian school and so they have a complication which is I tend to try weekly and they have religious speakers there and there's a worship service before each speaker so you're surrounded by students who really are the Lord's strength consistently throughout the years and there was a noticeable difference when I 1st got there so is this something that was mandatory or optional it depends so if you lived on campus it was mandatory if you lived off campus however it was optional and it looks kind of organizations or students putting together voluntarily spiritual activities or things that strengthen them volunteer things like that so there's mandatory volunteer hours that liberty requires though each student has to perform 20 hours of community service to be to the mass there but outside of that the student body as a whole was very active in the community in particular volunteered with the Red Cross I mean also did a lot of. Interesting found service opportunities and worship opportunities. To learn more about. How do you fit into the Bible this is Ken Ham on a mission to the church back to God's word. Into the. Let me explain. And try to squeeze them some way into the Bible the Bible is the true account of history from the eyewitness creator so we. Can use it to explain what we see. Starting with the Bible created everything Genesis one tells us God created land animals on day 6 of the creation we've done it so easily and animals that means God created. Created Adam and Eve the same said Don as those who live together discover more about dinosaurs when you visit our Web site. There is the free daily e-mail. Answers radio. You are listening to point of view your listener support source for truth it takes with us today as we talk about Francis Schaffer in particular one of the articles we've posted here Francis Schaefer pastor of Angelus topologist prophet and let's see if we can Doug maybe get some conversation going about his pastoral ministry because in some respects he was an individual that might have just stayed in the United States but at one point his denomination request that he go to Europe to investigate the Church and as a pastor began the idea of actually having a place over there in Switzerland just in Switzerland so I have an understanding of kind of where he was and that would provide an opportunity for people that had skepticism and doubt maybe those who were on a seekers and so out of that a little ministry it became a worldwide ministry out of La Brea tells the rest of the story as you might. Yes so ever was asked when years in the United States and during that time he and his wife media other exceptional Christian started a ministry called shoulder for Christ. Efforts a curriculum that's the news around the world. The group that wanted to ensure that's the gate state of the church in Europe after World War 2 so sacred went there and observe various interviews and so on and. Concerned that you know as family should go to Europe sensually shaker reluctantly left particular on the mentalist group that he was where. They started there's agreement it's. Very means charter and their basic role is simply no place. And I doubt. Exercise hospitality and shaker was a very thoughtful person who's about. Truth individuals and their culture. Where history art and so on and all this. Very organic. In terms of. What brings scriptures and one of the things I think is kind of interesting is when you read his books they you sort of hearing speaking because in some respects what they did was take some of those tapes again from my young listeners here we stand things called cassettes and cassette tapes and they would transcribe some of those ideas and so you could actually even if you had access to those cassettes or something like that listening into the conversation but his books really allowed you to sort of listen in to the kind of questions that people were asking in his attempt to try to pull all of that together in a comprehensive world view. Yes books have a conversational sense to them they're not fuzzy there was nothing in this now. But you were quite a relational and. Says that that Schaefer was the best one on one evangelist and apologist that he was. In town and in fact you said his books pale in comparison to what he would do sitting down and talking with a person and sitting down and having a discussion with a group of people so there's a real worry about what it's not. Sent And so it's I think it's the heart of the Lord that she was traded to the world. And one of things you mentioned is say he is not only cursory we talked about this article pastor of Angelus apologist prophet but you kind of got into that idea of an evangelist I was going to said he is kind of one of the best one to one evangelist and yet when we think of evangelism today we think of steps to peace with God for spiritual laws whatever it might be the Roman road the 3 circles those kinds of things this was in a sense what he sometimes referred to as prevent journalism and I'd love to have you address that for just a minute because there was a time not so long ago where most people had even if nothing else a remnant of the Christian worldview so you could kind of assume that people believed in truth they believed that there probably is a God they may have know something about Jesus they may know something about the Bible but Francis Schaffer I think is the 1st person to help us understand that this is a very different world that we find ourselves in now which is why he called it preventing journalism and the example I sometimes like to use as an x. 13 when Paul's in the synagogue he can assume all sorts of things that to his Jewish listeners understand but when he we find him an x. 17 in Athens Mars Hill he can't really assume much of anything and Francis Schaeffer I think helped a lot of us understand that if you just use kind of the standard way we used to do evangelism say a century ago that standard way in which we did evangelism presuppose that your listeners would actually understand some of those concepts and I think this is why he was so effective at recognizing I got to meet people where they are defined terms understand what is kind of their hang up understand what's important to them and then in the process share the Good News How would you respond to that. Well it is yes and Amen you really you know what he wanted to do he realized we needed to make Christian truth understandable knowable people who are not very familiar with . Had false understanding of Christianity one of Shavers passions was to challenge what's called. A belief in the Christian truths had no support from reason or evidence you simply believe that and you could not in any way verify it and he talks about verifiable facts and knowing the God he was there and we need to emphasize the truth is objective Christianity is true in the sense that God is in fact there that's what makes the Bible through that's what makes our faith significant is that we are believing the truth that God is there that God has revealed Himself in nature in Scripture and in price but in many cases you have to start pretty far back so if someone says I think truth is whatever gives me a personal sense of meaning we have to challenge that concept of truth before we get to Christianity as the truth. Shaper says the Gospel doesn't start with. That's nice and. Really. The Gospel starts in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth yes much you have a strong understanding of the distinction between. That personal Creator I know personal creation. You can get to 1st base in terms of vandalism and conversion and I just mention too that a book that I highly recommend all the time is your book Truth decay which really gets into this idea of postmodernism because as you know we have people saying well you have your view of truth and I have my view of truth and somebody else has a different view truth and we'll all just to hold hands and sing Kumbaya and there's really no need for us to believe in absolute truth and you take that issue of applying your thought issue begin to take it apart in a biblical sort of way and that's kind of key because if you don't start with some kind of basic assumptions about truth about evidence about the reality of the world it's going to be a kind of a tough slog if you're going to be involved in any kind of evangelism Well that's certainly the case and I think of one of hers sacred yet a number of he talked about. Yes well what he meant by that was a check or a statement is true if and only if corresponds to reality and I think well it's not obvious. It's not off. Or at and we need to clarify just what Christianity is claiming it's not a story or something that gives meaning to groups of people that. Would say the final screen of reality is infinite personal god. There. Is a God who speaks to