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The Obama Administration issued a new National Security strategy on friday. In it, president obama writes this. The challenges we face requires strategic patience and persistence. National security adviser susan rice said this. While the dangerous we face may be more numerous and varied, they are not of the nature we confronted during world war ii or during the cold war. We cannot afford to be buffeted by alarmism and a nearly instantaneous news cycle. Is that the right way to look at islamic extremism . Let me start out by saying if you read the National Security strategy its very complex. Its not about one president or administration or another. Its about the nations strategy going forward. I would tell you that we are facing a form of a cancerous component of the islamic religion which has a fa nat six to it and they have declared war on it. The biggest challenge i describe is the wolf or the wolfpack closest to the sled is isis there are other wolf packs that are part of this larger expanding violent extremist version of islam. When the president talks about strategic patience when susan rice says this is not an threat, and we shouldnt be caught up in the alarmism of the news cycle, is that an adequate response . I dont think it is. I think what the American People is looking for is they are looking for moral courage and clarity and not a sense of passivity or confusion. I think theres gs confusion about what it is were facing. Its not defined as just 40,000 fighters in the Islamic State in iraq and syria. Its also a large segment within that radical version of islam that is threatening our way of life. When you talk about passivity or confusion, is that what you see coming out of this white house . What i see i see its not just its not just the white house. I really do believe that when members of congress are yelling at the white house for strategy and the white house is talking back to them, i think what they really need to do is they need to sit down and figure out what is our strategy going forward. This is not about one administration or another. This is about how do we move forward against this radical version of islam. We have to adequately and accurately identify the enemy. Last week we were shown a map. Its pretty alarming, because what you see there is islamic terror groups not just isis extending all the way from pakistan, afghanistan, all the way across the northeast and into north africa. Who is the enemy . Ten years ago, i was shown that map and there was two or three dots on it. Today, you are seeing a doubling of the enemy. A doubling of the enemy. A doubling or more. Usually our numbers the we define the scale of the enemy. Its usually lower than what it is. What we have in front of us and the strategy weve had for over a decade which is sort of this counterterrorism strategy that is only a component of an overall strategy and i think that we have to do is recognize is that it is not working. The counterterrorism Component Works just fine to go after the high value targets and the key leaders, we need a much broader strategy that recognizes were facing not just this tactical problem of iraq and syria, but were facing a growing expanding threat around the world in some cases particularly in the transregion of the middle east, central asia, north africa and subsahara africa. Are you saying after this moment that we do not have a coherent strategy to combat islamic terrorism . I think im saying the strategy weve had is not working its clearly not working. Look at the kinds of things were facing. In my world what i have grown up to have to do is to define the enemy that we are facing. Like i said, if you cant defeat an enemy that you dont admit exists and i think that we have to clearly define what the enemy is. Thats number one. I think the next thing is to clearly articulate a strategy that is broader than just counterterrorism, broader than just i hate to use those sort of military very knack cue lar of air strikes but i feel like were kind of like a Football Team with the quarterback at the huddle and he says ready break and everybody is to step down the line and the team is to move together to the goal line to win. I feel like we say ready break all the players on the team going off to different stadiums playing different sports. We really dont have an effective strategy that is coherent that actually addresses the wider problem. This is an ideology, chris. I want to get into that. This week seemed to be something of a turning point because with the savage burning to death of the jordanian pilot you had, you know, a huge explosion across the middle east. Jordan obviously escalating its efforts. You hear expressions of outrage in cairo, can you tell qatar, and turkey, is this a potential turning point . We should quit using phrases like turning points and tipping points. Theres been multiple. What we need to do is we need to come to grips with this cancerous form of the islamic religion that is breaking down the arab world order and that is very clear. All you have to do is look at the Different Countries that where these groups exist and that break down of that order is affecting europe this country. We have as our great director of the fbi said recently in a statement that he made in mississippi, i believe, talking about the numbers of radical islamists that are in this country that are being that are being convinced to go overseas as part of this effort thats happening in the middle east right now. Just a stunning number of foreign fighters alone that are that have traveled to syria and the numbers of countries i think its somewhere of 40 and 50. We have to come to grips with this. This is not just a problem in iraq and syria. You have said we have to combat whats going on in the middle east and also outside the middle east now with these recruits, with economic efforts, cultural efforts psychological efforts to fight this. How . I think first thing we have to do is we have to look at how are we organized inside of our own country to deal with it and we have to look at how do we want to organize ourselves internationally i think for our own country its looking at how the state department is involved in this, how the department of defense is involved in this and how the cia is involved in this. All three of those components have a role. We have to organize better in order to achieve what we want to do in our own selfinterest. Internationally we have to come to grips with the arab nations that are part of this problem in many cases to get them to come together and its not just, you know whats happening in jordan or saudi or what is going on in libya, nigeria. All of them need to come together. There are problems with that. Let me ask you. You have suggested an arab nato a mutual Defense Organization like we have with our allies in western europe. Is that realistic to get these countries to come together . If we dont, then what well continue to see is a breakdown between what i call the leader and the led. These countries are at risk if they dont come together and Work Together to achieve what it is that we are all saying is to get to this moderate form of islam if it exists. I was sent a note about where weve had 126 muslim scholars recently crying out about that this type of islam is not appropriate for that particular religion. Why only 126 . There should be 126,000. More of the arab nations more of the leaders need to step up to the plate. How do we do that . And again, how do we i mean, look what were talking about here and you have pointed out to me, this isnt just kids, sometimes these are middle aged professionals doctors engineers, teachers, thats right. And what is it something they obviously find something from isil and these other islamic groups that is attractive and appealing to them. How do we shake some sense into them, if you will . I think the young people that are being attracted i think its a dis connected between what i describe as the leader and the led in many cases their parents and these Young Children that are being attracted to this. The economic deparagraphity, the corruption that exists in some of these nations. We have to recognize the under pinning thars at risk and challenging these countries are going to come back to bite them. In fact thats what were seeing. I know you dont want to be political about this and youve made it clear and i respect that, but there was a comment made this week by president obama that i want to play. Here it is. Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place remember that during the crusades and the inquisition inquisition people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. Honestly general, at this particular moment in time when we are in a brutal fight how productive is it for the president to try to put what isis is doing in Historical Perspective with what the west did a thousand years ago and how productive to use the word crusades, which is epithet which they throw at us to come out of the president s mouth . I think the risk that we take by comparing religions to religions, what we should be doing is we should be looking at one side being those contributing nations of the world, those that are willing to help the greater good of humanity against this radical form of islam and thats where im at and thats where we need to be projecting ourselves forward history is an indicator for a lot of things and we should study and know it and recognize it for what it is. Right now, the wolf closer to the sled is this radical form of islam. The tactical issue is isis or isil in the greater levant area, which is essentially syria iraq lebanon jordan, et cetera. But the wider problem is not just trans regional in that part of the world, but its also global. 40 to 50 countries supplying fighters to the current fight in the middle east. Come on. When you were head of the Defense Intelligence agency if you knew the president was going to Start Talking about the crusades, what would you have said . I would have recommended he talk about something else. Because. I dont think its appropriate. Its not appropriate to compare religions to religions. We are not about religions fighting religions. What were about is the greater good of the people of this world, of particularly this country fighting against this evil that exists and this evil that exists is inside of this religion. And so its just like other ideologies that we faced chris. We faced the nazis, communityists, we defeated those ideologies. This is another one. Those contributing nations of the world and those arab nations, if they dont come to grips, they are going to feel the pain. Thats my last question. You have compared the fight we face against islamic extremism to world war ii or the cold war and our battle for half a century against the communists and you have called for a unified chain of command like we had with general eisenhower in world war ii. You were at the pentagon for the last couple of years. Who is in charge of this war right now . Good question. I think that we need to we need to be asking that question. It cant be the president. It cant be the secretary of state. You know, the reason i use eisenhower is general ien hour, go win the war in europe and heres the resources, authorities per missions, everybody is going to work for you essentially to achieve that purpose and he did. Is there anybody who is in that role right now . I cant sit here and tell you that i know who it is. I really dont which is part of the problem. And when you so if everybody is in charge, nobody is in charge and its like the analogy i just used with the Football Team, were saying ready, break and everybody is going into different stadiums. We have to face the reality that we are that it is staring us in the face right now and thats this expansion of radical islam and they are against our way of life and we have to make sure that we understand that and the growth of it over the last decade, okay, so it goes between a couple of administrations and it will continue to go as i said in the statements i made, this is more than just something thats going to be sofled in the next two years. This is going to take ten years maybe an entire generation or more. Thank you. Please come back. I would love to continue the conversation. Coming up, as jordan escalates its air strikes is the middle east weve been told no at a turning point at the war in terror. Our sunday group joins the conversation. Surprised . In fact, america is now the worlds number one natural gas producer. And we could soon become number one in oil. Because Hydraulic Fracturing Technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. 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President obama denouncing isis this week while senator john mccain says the white house still doesnt have a plan to beat them. Its time now for our sunday group gop strategist, karl rove, bob wood wad, laura ingraham, and juan yims. Bob you wrote a book about obamas war. How do you explain this week his talking in his National Security strategy about strategic patience and calling comparing what were doing to the crusades a thousand years ago. What do you make of those kind of comments at a time when we are the war against isis seems to have only become more urgent . If you talk to people in the white house and the military, i think theres agreement and john mccain is right and general flynn is right there is no strategy. They have not sat down and said this is where we want to go and this is how we want to do it and the measure of that, when you head into the weeds here people from the white house are micromanaging the tactical situation on a daily and weekly basis. Thats not their job. They have to kind of do Strategic Planning and say what do we want to accomplish in the next year. Wait a minute, are you saying that forgive me susan rice, is telling the generals what to do . And they have got all these people in the white house, you talk to people in the military who are there and they say we are being micromanaged and were not given a real plan to say what are we going to do here, and its not the way to run a war or try to win a war. Now, in fairness, this is a very difficult, ugly situation, and what they need is george canon, who dealt with the soviet union which worked on a bipartisan basis. There were elements that worked. Youve talked to the working level people and they say where are we going . Karl just on an issue of leadership, i very much doubt that during the london blitz that Winston Churchill would have somehow put what the nazis were doing in Historical Context with what the ang glow sax ones have done before. There are two fundamental errors. One is a belief that wishing something to be true will make it so. The president is clearly intent upon disabusing a notion that isil and other groups like it represent an existence ten shall threat to the world order. Isil if it achieves its goal of a caliphate in the middle east will be a threat to the world order. If the taliban reestablishes control over afghanistan and becomes a sanctuary to terrorists, it will be a threat to the world order. The second problem is they declare their failures to successes in order to repeat them. The president is not able to undertake the three critical capabilities that the three strategies says are essential to success. Laura, you know, i cant emphasize how important the interview we just had was. Heres mike flynn, one of the nations top military intelligence people for a quarter of a century and i got to tell you not a partisan guy. He did not want to come on to go after obama and when i asked him direct questions because hes a straight shooter he says we dont have a strategy to defeat not just isis but this whole and he believes that we dont even identify what the problem is this growing vir rue lent form of islamic extremism. Anybody with a pulse or brain wave knows there no strategy. Its clear. We know the president is capable of putting together a strategy for things he cares about. Free community college, immigration am necessarity, he knows how to engineer a great moment in the oval office with the dreamers a