Dead. Well discuss the situation in the region and the us response with republican congressman of new york and senator rumenthal of connecticut. The obama is forced to play defense. This is no longer a political debate. This is what we call the law. The president claims that this law is working the way it is supposed to. But clearly it is not. Well ask our sunday panel about the political hall out. All right here on fox news sunday. More tough questions for the nsa after the Washington Post reported this week that the agency violated policy rules. Nations most secretive spy agency intercepted emails and calls during that time and did not report the unauthorized surveillance. Joining us with reaction is senator rand paul. Senator, welcome back to fox news sunday. Good to be with you. Good morning. It was a little more than a week ago that the president insisted to the American People that there was oversight of the program and there was no talk of abuses. What you are not reading about is, the government actually abusing these programs. And listening in on peoples phone calls or reading peoples emails. What you are hearing about is the prospect that these could be abused. Senator paul, what do you make of that statement now that this new information has come to light . You know, i think that the president missunderstands the constitutional powers. The checks and balances come from independent branchs of government. If they tell him everything is okay, that the nsa can police themselves. One of the things that our founders put in place was they wanted to separate police power from the judiciary power. They didnt want police to write warrants. They wanted an independent responsive to the people with open debate in public. I think these programs need to be questioned and there needs to be a Supreme Court decision that looks to be constitution al or not. The Foreign Intelligence Court does not have jurisdiction, does that need to change . They may not have jurisdiction but they are only hearing one side of this. If you were to go sit down in a room, you have no means of challenging that. You have no means of alternative information without this leak we wouldnt know of this internal audit. We wouldnt have known that james clapp eper lied to us or senate. Yes, they are collecting billions of data on american cell phones every day. A lot of these violations were unintentional but the nsa chose not to report this, does that need to change . Well, they chose not to report the program period. They said they werent looking at american data or moan caphon and it turns out that they are looking at millions of phone calls every day. There is a similarity between this scandal and others. The president thinks that the irs can do it themselves. He thought the state department could do an internal audit also. The director of National Intelligence lied to the senate and greatly damaged the community. He said we had a power point presentation. We had lawyers come together and the only way to find justice is you have to find both sides. You have to be more skeptical in the nsa i think before the Supreme Court on this program. When Congress Comes back to capitol hill in a couple of weeks do you think there needs to be congressional hearings opaon all of this . The hard part is we hear one side also. The nsa comes and tells their side and tells us how they foiled these plots. When there is a discussion back and forth. We discover that they did not use this program to get anyone. I think they got most of the terrorists if not all of the plots by Good Old Fashioned Police Work by getting war rapts on people whom they were sussuspicious of. Im for surveillance of spies but not for this gross bulk b h gathering of data. But with more oversight into that program, with more duty to report compliance in other aspects of it. Would you be comfortable with it to let it go ahead . You know, i think it would be better with more oversight but there are some things that they are doing that i think are unconstitution al. They said a single warrant goes towards a specific individual and what you want to look fore. You ask a judge and you say john smith we think is doing this. The constitution doesnt allow for a single warrant to get a billion phone records. They get a bill that says we want all of the phone calls. They are looking at all of the cell phone calls in america every day. Also dont think it is good police work. I think we get over whelmed with data and we dont notice when someone goes back to another country his name is misspelled and we need people to do certain data on people we have s suspicious of. Let me talk to you about obamacare. You support the defunding of it. But you dont believe it is going to happen and get through the senate. Your only leave then is to not approve the continuing resolution. That would shut down the government which you had stated publicly is not a good idea. What do you have left here, senator . I dont think shutting down the government is a good idea. I do think we were elected to stop this overreach this government takeover of health care. I think insurance premiums will rise and i think the people they want to help, the working class and the poor wont have insurance and they are going to have a penalty. People want us to stand up and fight. We should use the leverage of controlling one third of the government. They should stand up, use that power to make this lawless bad, delay it. Do something we can to protect the American Public from this law and or if we do nothing, you say hey, you get your way. When the government is divided we should control part of dpo government to get the law more to our liking. You are talking about trying to pass the bill in the house. They might delay the individual mandate, but there are plenty of bills that have gone to conference and so the laws neglected as it is. You know, i dont know. I think there is always a great desire not to shut the government down. To use that not to get a compromise. You could make the lawless bad or delay the whole thing. Even the president is concerned about this law because he is delaying the mandate because he is concerned it may be about what could happen in the elections. When it is seen that insurance premiums go up. You have said that you would not go for a continuing resolution in the senate if it includes funding for obamacare. But the house did the same thing as you suggested that you would. That would shut down the government because the resolution wouldnt pass. If you are trying to have it both ways while the house has to have it one way. I think what would happen is that the house would come to the senate and then the senate would approve obamacare funding. And then a compromise would be achieved. But it is only achieved if the house stands up and believes that it will hurt people. If they stand up and they are strong i think the strength would be used to achieve a comprom ice. But there are many conservatives like myself saying obamacare is going to be a disaster for the country. They say stand firm, stand up and try to stop this, because it is going to be bad for the country. Harry reid was recently asked if the ultimate goal of the program was to move to a single pay youre system. Yes, yes absolutely yes. If they tried to move to a single pay youre system, what would be your response . I think it is amazing that policieses are forth right. People need to think bit. The goal may mean that everybody in the country gets medicaid. I think it is a bad idea. 85 of us had health insurance. We should have tried to fix it for the people who had it instead of those who isnt. Our main concern was the price rising. Hes actually made insurance more expensive because of his man da mandates and making the insurance cover more items. Calling on the president to end foreig assistance egypt. That relationship allows american milt military over flights and if you were to remove that assistance, could you damage your relationship that the United States need to have with an important ally in the middle east . Well the law is what the law is. And the president is in defiance of the law. When there is a military take over our aid must end. Not that it might end. But there are way to avoid that. The question. ending military said egypt be a prudent thing to do . Yes. Because the thing is, i dont think we are buying any love of the egyptian people when they see an American Tank on the street, do you think that buys any friendship with the egyptian people . What happens is foreign aid egypt is more likely to buy a chateut. They see our aid as something to goes to the people that are dictate tors that have been taking away our rights and they see it stolen. He had fancy homes all around the world with our money. It shows nothing but american weakness to continue it. Those who want to continue to say we are projecting American Power and american weakness. It shows that we are so weak that we will not adhere to their own conditions on this aid. The egyptians continue to do the same thing. When they roll tanks over protesters that is not something that most americans would support. I would like to look at politics for a second. There has been a public spat between your camp and the Chris Christie camp. After governor christies statements about the Republican Party should be trying to win elections. We shouldnt be the party of ideas and we shouldnt care what we care for. Pry vytice many is the problem not the solution. And your father came out and said he offers nothing. Do you agree with your father . Well, i would say the party is big enough for both of us. And in fact, we dont need to, this all started with him saying we dont have room for libertarian republicans. That is how we grow our party. We care about the right to privacy. I think that will bring new people to our party. The party in the northeast is shri shrinking. So, saying there is no room for us was a big mistake on our part. But again, do you agree with your father when he says governor christie offers nothing . What i would say is that there is room for people who believe in bigger government in our party. I think that some of the things that he seems to have promoted make us believe that he thinks that there is a lot more spending that could go on. I think that National Defense is actually to be very, very frugal with other spending. Senator, good to talk to you this morning. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. With the continuing turmoil in egypt. A lot of eyes are on the u. S. And its response. 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Reporter good afternoon john the muslim brotherhoods week of rage surrounded the Supreme Court there as they had intelligence as gunman were headed there. Th yesterday gunman used the mosque to fire out at the crowd but also at the army down below. As the police came out, they were greeted by cheers from the surrounding groups there. The military is now thinking of outlawing the muslim brother hood including the leader of al qaeda and a jihadist there. Today on the streets there has been a return to normalcy. It is important to note, despite the blood shed the army has widespread popular support. It is proving to be more of a violent militant organization than a peaceful militant group. Thank you very much. Joining us now to talk about this republican congressman pete king of new york and democratic senator. Gentlemen, they for joining us. Lets go back to the president and his reaction. We dont take sides to any Political Party of political figure. It is tempting inside of egypt to blame the United States or west side for what has gone wrong. We have been blamed by the other side as if we are supporters of morsi. Senator blum eeenthal, the president appear to have alien ated both sides. A gree with the president that the people of egypt have to decide their own fate. The practical reality is that most of the military aid for this fiscal year has been obligated and delivered. In fact all of it except for four f16s and some helicopters. Looking forward i think that the approach has to be the condition our future aid on specific steps toward the rule of law and the return to democracy and aid in blocks that are condition ed which is contained in the amendment offered to senators lahey and gram which will come to the floor. Should the president as senators Graham Mccain and rand paul suggested cut off all aid or as you are calling in the senate, make it condition al . We shouldnt cut off all aid. There are no good choices here. But of the two, there is more opportunity to protect American Interest if we work with the military and continue our relationship with the military. Al qaeda should not be able to gain a foothold. I dont think that could be done with the muslim brotherhood. I would be reluctant to be cutting off aid. We should lean on the military to the extent that we can. I would not allow to undercut them. They have shown that they are not capable of democracy. I would think a stable government would respect the human rights of the minority. I dont know if at this moment in time a democracy is in store for egypt. To the extent that we would influence that. Do you agree with that . Well, democracy is in the eye of the beholder. It is unique in the world, we are the greatest nation in the history of the world. We have a unique respect for the rights of minorities and individuals. We can impose our own vision of democracy on a country like israel. We have access to air space over egypt. The inassistance that the sibor doer der be policed and closer consultation with some of our allies in the region. The gulf states on what our approach egypt Going Forward should be. I think we will find that aid that we will with hold is spen sated by said that the gulf states will hold. So i disagree with senator paul on eliminating aid and canceling it entirely. I do by the way agree with senator paul that the fisa court needs to hear both sides that we have to have a special advocate. A specific blueprint that i have offered which the president seemed to endorse. Sing you bring it up, nsa director Keith Alexander was there at the end of last month, that they are complying with the law and there are appropriate checks and balances. I think it is important to understand the strict oversight that goes in on these programs. The assumption is that people are out there wheeling and dealing and nothing could be further from the truth. We have tremendous oversight and compliance with these programs. Congressman, you are a staunch defender of these programs. It is clear that mistakes are being made and in many cases they are not reporting those mistakes. I fully disagree with what senator rand paul said. That was a grab bag coming from him. Take rand pauls own numbers. It is not really true. But assume he is right for once. You jux oppose that with violations which were self reported. You are talking about 1900 of them being foreigners when they came to the u. S. It wasnt transferred over the way that it was supposed to be. The others were, records that were kept by accident. To me a scandal is somehow using force to go after them. What over mistakes were made that is better than most media people do, and i have a tremendous respect for the tone of snooping and spying that we use. It is a distortion and a smear on good americans. Hang on for a second. You said that everything was self reported by the nsa. You said the documents clearly show that the violations were not clearly reported at least not to the court whose members cham they do not have the power to initiate. Is there a problem here . It worked. If you have 99. 99 compliance and you have Self Reporting errors. This becomes part of an overall ig report. I am satisfied that john, who else in government did you know congressman king all of what was reported by the end of the week . It was all available. And it shows that the system works. Anything in that report that came to light at the end of the week that bother you . There is a lot that bothers me and i share congressman kings respect for the brave and dedicated men and women who do our National Security work. The problem is with the system. It is a black box. The fisa court is a secret tribu tribuneal making secret law and a lot of it completely unavailable to the foreign intel