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Will his new plan help or hurt process protects fspects for a immigration and how serious is he about 2016 . Well sit down with jeb bush. Plus Congress Takes on the white house over national security. Well ask our sunday panel about the controversy over drones and the new york trial of an accused al qaeda terrorist, all, right now, on fox news sunday. Chris hello again from fox news in washington. President obama calls him a thought leader of the Republican Party and this week house Budget Committee chair paul ryan will put out a plan to balance the federal budget in ten years, on the heels of a private lunch with the president on thursday, congressman ryan joins us to discuss all of it and, congressman, welcome back. Thanks, for having me, good morning, chris. Chris the plan that you are going to release tuesday would balance the budget in ten years, not 25 years, like your last one, how do you do that . Do you have to make even tougher, deeper spending cuts . Actually, not really. We always got close to balancing the budget, but, not quite there. We dont have to do much, simply because the new cbo baseline makes it easier because the new baseline makes it easier to balance and we extend the bca, the budget control act, casts out another two years and ask all federal employees, actually have their pension contributions like those in the private sector, at the end of the budget window, and we dont have to do huge things to get the balance because of the new baseline, but, the point is we think we owe the American People a balanced budget, and we want to respect hard working taxpayers, and, we think we have a responsible plan, to balance the budget, which the reason we do a balanced budget is not to make the numbers, simply, add up, it leads to a healthy, growing economy that creates jobs, a means to an end and the means is to get to a good, growing economy to create jobs and opportunity, and im glad the senate is doing a budget, this first time in 40 years, our concern is they may never propose to balance the budget and we think it is irresponsible. Chris lets look, congressman, at a couple of the reasons you dont have to make big changes in the new budget, to balance it in ten years. You include the 600 billion you mentioned in tax increases, that came from raising rates in the fiscal cliff debate and also include 716 billion in medicare cuts through obamacare that you opposed in the last campaign. Question, is it fair to say at least those parts of the president s policies make it easier to balance the budget . It is fair to say that. What we also say is, end the raid of medicare from obamacare, you have to remember, all of that money, taken from medicare, was to pay for obamacare, we say we get rid of obamacare and end the raid and apply those savings to medicare to make it more solvent and extend the solvency of the Medicare Trust fund and we dont want to refight the fiscal cliff. It is current law and will not change and we also propose pro growth tax reform which we think with the currents revenue line we can have a very progrowth tax reform system to bring all rates down, good for Economic Growth and good for job creation and hard working taxpayers, by having less loopholes in the tax code, no more crony politics and stop picking winners and losers and progrowth tax reforms, those things are achievable and we achieve it in the budget and reflect those realities you mentioned. Chris in your last budget you cut spending 5 trillion over ten years. How much do you cut spending in this new budget. Basically the same. About 5 trillion. Instead of growing spending at 4. 9 a year, which is the average under the current path were on, we grow spending at 3. 4 , each year, over the next decade and it gets us on a path to billions and results in a 5 trillion spending cut. Chris when you talk about cuts, you talk about cuts in the rate of growth, not actual, absolute cuts . Exactly. And, instead of spending 46 trillion over the next ten years well spend 41 and grow spending 3. 4 a year instead of 4. 9 a year, which takes us from balancing the budget and produces a debt crisis. That is the problem, the president has us on a path toward a debt crisis that hurts everybody and brings us to a recession and gives us a european kind of experience which we want to avoid. We want people going back to work and higher wages and more jobs and a growing economy and get that by balancing the budget. Chris there are two sides to the argument, the president would say all of these spending cuts, the sequester and the cuts that you are going to propose in the shortterm could actually hurt this kind of slightly improving recovery and throw is back into a recession. Let me ask you about a couple of specific cuts you made last year and tell me if they are not in the new budget i assume they are. You cut medicaid 770 billion, over the next ten years. You cut 134 billion from food stamps. You cut 166 billion from education, training and social services. Democrats say that that makes you the party of austerity. That, one, it will hurt people who depend on these programs, and, two, they say that rather than spur growth it will hurt growth. Well, we have 49 different job Training Programs spread across 9 different government agencies, lots of bureaucracies and they dont work and we propose to consolidate the programs and go back to the states and get people into jobs and training so they can get back to work and get rid of the bureaucracy in washington and send the money back to the states, so people can actually get the skills they need to get the jobs they want. On food stamps, we basically say, you have to qualify for the food stamp programs to get the benefits. With our reforms, food stamps would have grown by 260 over the last ten years, and 270 , like they did grow and, with respect to medicaid we think the obamacare expansion of medicare is reckless. We are pushing people, 20 Million People into a program that is failing. More and more doctors and hospitals dont even take the program. And we want to reform medicaid by giving states the ability to customize the program, to meet the unique needs of their medicaid population. Chris but, congressman, do you really say make the programs better. Chris can you honestly say by turning medicaid into a block grant and giving it to the states you can cut 770 billion out of that program, over the next ten years . That is going to have no impact on legitimate recipients . These are increases that have not come yet. So, by repealing obamacare, and the medicaid expansions which have not occurred yet, we are basically preventing an explosion of a program that is already failing. So, were saying dont grow this program, through obamacare, because it doesnt work. Prevent that growth from going, because it will not work, it will hurt people who are trying to help and hurt hospitals and states. And, give the states the tools they are asking for, in the end, is a perfect example. They have a fantastic Medicaid Program created in indiana, and is popular and successful and works well but obamacare prevents it from going forward, we want to give them the ability to make these things work for the population and, by not pushing people into the failing program we save lots of dollars. Chris i must pick up on this. I didnt understand it. As part of your budget you assume the repeal of obamacare . Yes. Chris that is not going to happen. Well, we believe it should. That is the point and this is what budgeting is all about, chris. About making tough choices, to fix our countrys problems. We believe that obamacare is a program that will not work. We believe obamacare will actually lead to hospitals and doctors and Health Care Providers turning people away. It is a program that basically puts medicare under the control of 15 people on a board, that will determine what kind of benefits people get. That is a rationing board. However you slice it. We dont think health care will be improved in this country, we think it is going to look ugly over the next couple of years and that is why we are going to propose replacing obamacare with patientcentered health care and a better system for everybody, the poor and people in the states and medicare so we can actually have Affordable Health insurance for everybody including people with preexisting conditions, without costly government takeovers which obamacare represents and yes, our budget does promote repealing obamacare and replacing it with a better system. Chris i want to pick up on the medicare. What you say is starting with people who are now 54, and you reportedly wanted to raise it to 56, but, there was political push back, starting with people who are now 54, you would start to give them, when they become of age, a government subsidy. A voucher, whatever you want to call it, premium support to help them pay for their health care costs. Now, you know, i dont have to tell you, this is a big issue in the campaign, between romneyryan versus obamabiden and they one and they think that is one of the reasons they won, and if you put it into effect, economists say, seniors will have to pay more a share of their health care costs. First of all, its not a voucher, it is different. A voucher, you go to your mailbox and get a check and buy something, we are saying lets convert medicare into a system that who, like i have as a congressman, a federal employee, you have guaranteed Coverage Options including medicare for your future needs and medicare subs diidizes your plan, and mo for poor and the sick and less for wealthy seniors and harnessing the power of choice an competition, where the senior gets to choose her benefits, comprehensively is the best way to save medicare for future generations an guarantees it does not change for people in or near retirement and also guarantees for those of us under the age of 55 we have to have a Medicare Program when we retire. The problem is, medicare is going broke. The other problem is, obamacare does such damage to medicare, that it is going to damage the program for current seniors, we dont want that to happen. That is why we are proposing these reforms, which save and strengthen the Medicare Program, not just for my mom but and ide against your premise that we lost the issue in the campaign, we won the senior vote. I did dozens of medicare town Hall Meetings in states like florida explaining how these are the best reforms to save the shrinking Medicare Program and we are confidently this is the way to go. It has bipartisan support and it is an idea that came from democrats in the first place and we think it is really the best way to go, because, the alternative here, of having a choice system where you choose the plan that meets your need is 15 bureaucrats making the decisions in washington which are the new obamacare board which we repeal in the budget. Chris this brings us to the lunch that you had on thursday with president obama, at the white house and i want to explore the question as to whether there is a basis for a compromise here, because i have to say, i dont hear it so far. Let me start this way from your view, after having lunch with the president , do you think that his socalled Charm Offensive is sincere . That he is really looking for compromises on issues that still seem like there is a big divide or do you think it is more political theatre to at least appear to be reaching out . I think the answer to that question will be determined based on how he conducts himself in the coming weeks and months. This is the first time i ever had a conversation with the president lasting more than, say, two minutes or televised exchanges and i never really had a conversation with him, on these issues before. I am excited that we had the conversation. We had a very we come from different perspectives, i ran against him in the last election and we exchanged very different frank, candid views with one another that were very different but at least we had the conversation and i think the answer to your question will be determined by how he conducts himself in the coming weeks and months, will he resume the campaign mode, will he resume attacking republicans and impugning our motives, and resume what is long believed to be a plan to win the 2014 elections or will he sincerely change and try and find Common Ground, work with republicans to get something done . That what is we hope happens. Chris let me a down payment on the debt crisis. Chris let me pick up on that. You talk about coming from different perspectives, one of the last times you and the president were together was two years ago. Almost exactly two years ago, when your last your budget that year had come out and with you in the audience the president took apart the proposed spending cuts you wanted to make. Take a look president barack obama these are the kinds of cuts that tell us we cant afford the america that i believe in, and i think you believe in. I believe it paints a vision of our future that is deeply pessimistic. Chris the vision hes talking about is the ryan budget, did that come up at the lunch, congressman . It didnt, but that is basically what i was saying, if you impugn peoples motives, if you say these draconian cuts, which by the way we are increasing spending an average of 3. 4 a year, it does no good to get to Common Ground and makes it impossible for parties to come together and bridge the gaps, that kind of rhetoric resumes, then we will know it was for show and want sincere. I hope it is sincere, we had a good, Frank Exchange and the truth will be in the come weeks as to whether or not it is a real sincere outreach to find Common Ground. Look, chris, there are things we can do that dont offend either partys philosophies, that doesnt require someone to surrender their principles to make a good down payment on getting the debt and deficit under control. That is what id like to achieve. Chris let me pick up on that with you, congressman. There are basic disagreements that remain. The president would like to raise 600 billion at least in added revenue by clearing out so many of the deductions and loopholes for upper income people, and you want not nips and cuts but structural reform to entitlements, and first are you willing to give up one to get the other and do you think he is willing to. We think we should balance the budget you know, that we have a different we do have a difference of opinion on that and the other problem is this by continuing to raise taxes, to fuel more spending you will never get tax reform which is critical for Economic Growth and job creation. And, so, yes, we have an impasse, right now which is the president wants to continue raising taxes, not for deficit reduction but to fuel more spending, and, we see tax reform as incredibly important goal, and policy, to getting progrowth economics, to getting businesses growing again and hiring people. Tax reform to us is an Economic Growth generating exercise and tax reform to the president , so far, seems to be a spending growth exercise, Revenue Generating exercise, to spend money there is an impasse there, so, bottom line chris let me ask you if we did let me ask you this bottom line, what do you think theyre chanc are the chances of a big deal, this year to try to get the deficit under control . I think it is going to determine be determined by the temperament and the posture that the president and all of us take over the next few weeks. We have spending problems and i like to think we can find Common Ground on where and how to cut spending and get entitlement reforms, will the president take the program and block medicaid, my guess is he wont and that is the best way to make things work better, but are there things that get you closer to balancing the budget and delays the debt crisis from hitting the country . Yes, i think there are and i do believe there is a consensus for tax reform. There are a lot of moderate democrats especially in the senate in favor of lowering tax rates by closing loopholes and that is what we are proposing. Top stetaking winners and losern washington and you dont lose revenue to the from government and make it easier for and we think there is a bipartisan consensus for that and hope congressman, i dont mean to interrupt but i have a couple of political questions to ask in very little time. Did you come away from your experiences, as the Vice President ial candidate, in 2012, thinking that the prospect of running for president for two years would be appalling or exciting . Thats a good question. Actually, i enjoyed the experience. It made it more realistic in my mind, that something that i something i much better understand and jen and i talked about it the other day and we look back at it as a positive experience and enjoyed it and got to meet hundreds of thousands of people who care so much about their country and learned a lot. Just about the great, greatness of this country, how hard working people want to get ahead and make a difference, so actually i found it a pleasant exercise to be candid with you. Chris and finally, what is more attractive as you sit here today,