Transcripts For KSNV Full Measure With Sharyl Attkisson 2016

Transcripts For KSNV Full Measure With Sharyl Attkisson 20161016



scott: the need is great in haiti. hurricane matthew left his mark and misery, but fundraising following the 2010 earthquake was a disaster in itself. there are some calls for funding to be channeled elsewhere now. does that mean that the american red cross has lost its credibility? >> i think they've certainly lost some credibility. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ? sharyl: welcome to "full measure." i'm sharyl attkisson. hurricane matthew is still impacting the southeast. some rivers crested just this weekend and parts of north carolina are still underwater. but some u.s. communities hit surviving in the long-term. one of them is an indian tribe in louisiana. they're part of a groundbreaking project to relocate together to higher ground at taxpayer expense. some are calling them the first "climate change refugees." but we found that other man-made factors could be largely to blame. albert naquin: we had chickens, we had pigs, we had cattle. sharyl: albert naquin has lived here on isle de jean charles his whole life, a sliver of an island in the south louisiana bayou. he's chief of the island's band of biloxi-chitimacha-choctaw indians who first settled here in the 1800's. they grew into a fishing community that stayed self-sufficient for a century. but today, the island is literally shrinking down to nothing before their eyes. this used to be land? albert: this used to be land all -- all along here. sharyl: an aerial photo from 1963 shows how much marshland there used to be. by 2008, most all of it had become water, as the gulf of the tribe's plight has been documented in numerous films, including "can't stop the water." >> when i was growin' up here, a hurricane, we used to ride 'em out. d we didn't worry about flood, we didn't worry about the wind. pat forbes: the community gets flooded more and more and more often, and its size has shrunk 98% from its original size, and the population has also shrunk along with it, because people have gotten tired of living with basis. sharyl: pat forbes heads up louisiana's office of community development. he's helped the tribe win a first of its kind federal grant -- $48 million tax dollars to move the last island inhabitants to higher ground, keeping them together as a group, preserving their culture. pat: and the important part of that is that we are moving the community en masse, this hasn't really been done before. albert: hopefully, we bring it island, would reunite and, you know, then have a place to call home together. sharyl: some reporters have dubbed the indian tribe the first "climate change refugees." but with millions of americans in the same boat living in coastal areas being drowned by water spending $48 million on 60 people is bound to raise eyebrows. there are a lot of people in trouble facing similar circumstances and they may money? pat: obviously, federal money and all other kinds of money are limited. and so there was a competition and we won that competition with a project based here. sharyl: about 30 miles south is leeville, a small, but once-booming seafood industry and oil town, where don griffin has co-owned a marina and ice house that's been in business since 1977. don: before the only time we'd and now just your regular real high tides, that you have a large tidal movement, we got water constantly on the back dock, on the parking lot, you know? sharyl: leeville, too, has dwindled down to a skinny town just a mile long with a handful of year round residents. but there's no federal relocation project coming to their rescue. don: i'm glad that they're able to get help, but i mean who decides who gets help and who doesn't get help? windell curole: leeville used to be four feet higher just 100 yeago. sharyl: windell curole manages the area's manmade levee system, including this lock. it shelters the town north, but puts unlucky leeville outside the hurricane protection system. windell: as we look to the south, these people are not on the flood protection. sharyl: but there's a twist this story. curole and many local experts say there are other factors besides climate change to blame for louisiana's shrinking land -- one of the biggest causes -- oil companies. size of delaware since 1930. remarkable land loss. sharyl: for decades, the louisiana fishermen have co-existed with the oil industry. but it turns out the oil company canals, dredged for shipping and pipelines, washed away protective marshland and brought the water ever closer to residents' doorsteps. chris brunet and his family are among the 60 or so tribal residents who live in the remaining homes on isle de jean charles raised on stilts to try to stay above water. how high have you seen the water get here chris: on about four foot, about as high as this and this is without a hurricane. sharyl: it's no longer just the vicious hurricanes that cause problems. with widening canals dredged by oil companies now in brunet's backyard, even a strong high tide can flood the neighborhood. one state study found the oil and gas companies are responsible for more than 90% of the island's damage. do you see climate change as a bigger factor to the change in albert: i see the oil companies as the bigger factor of the, i guess the destruction of our community. and that is because of all the canals they dug out, allowing the salt water to come in a lot faster and go out a lot faster. sharyl: so that's not a climate change problem, that's a company issue. albert: that's not a climate change problem, that's a company issue. sharyl: it sounds almost as if federal taxpayers are picking up the tab for something the oil companies won't pay for. albert: i agree with that. the u.s. government is picking up the tab for the oil companies. sharyl: curole argues the oil and gas industry has paid billions of dollars in federal taxes over the years. now, he says, it's time for the community to get some of that federal money back in terms of assistance. windell: since 1995, the average is about $6 billion that's come from this little corridor that's going to the federal government and we've had basically zero of any of that money. so, it's not just a one-way street. charles, the unprecedented project to move the entire town is moving forward. supporters see it as a pilot program that other doomed coastal communities could follow. some people might think $48 million to resettle 60 people is a lot of money. pat: it is a lot of money. it would be far less expensive for us to just buy people outd p somewhere that's safe. but again, we lose that resilience that being part of a community brings to a community. and that's a thing that we think, that culture -- that's a thing that we can't afford to lose from our coastal communities across louisiana and around the country. albert: we didn't create this, but i think you know that our federal government ought to be responsible or the oil companies ought to pitch in, as well, to help us get out of here. i think that the government and whoever created the pipeline canal should put a few pennies into that to help us get out of i guess to reunite our community and families, as it was when were living here back when it first began. sharyl: we contacted the louisiana oil and gas association and they told us the primary cause of coastal erosion is the mississippi river levees built by the army corps of engineers. a footnote. the money to move the tribe came from leftover hurricane sandy funds. instead of returning it to the treasury or saving it for the next disaster, the government came up with new ways to spend it. still ahead on "full measure" -- american red cross is raising money for haiti. some think that effort is worth questioning. and next -- police body cams have created a new form of reality tv. but some say the attempt at transparency is trampling victims' privacy rights. sharyl: police in charlotte, north carolina finally released all of the body camera footage from last month's shooting of a black man that sparked riots. the graphic video was shown to the family before the public. "full measure" correspondent joce sterman found as other cities rush to equip police with cameras, one issue has gone out of focus -- the privacy of crime victims. [gunshots] joce: police body cams are becoming a new -- and sometimes disturbing -- reality tv. >> i'm shot. joce: with his body camera rolling, this florida officer pulled an injured mother from the scene of a domestic shooting. then he stepped even closer to the house. >> come here, sweetheart, come here. joce: to many, what the officer did appeared heroic. his department thought so and made it public. victims' advocates say that's a privacy violation of the highest order. there's no question to you, videos like this cross the line? jennifer storm: absolutely. in my opinion, totally. joce: jennifer storm is a victims' advocate who has helped shape state and federal laws for crime victims. this video, posted online by police and shared, has now been viewed millions of times. consent. storm and other advocates believe it's a classic example of a forgotten issue in the great body camera debate. jennifer: a body camera is going to get every single thing the officer sees. you're going to see it. joce: you're there? jennifer: it's like reality tv and not in a good way. it's bad reality tv, incredibly traumatizing for these families and survivors. joce: what the lens captures can in the larger concern over transparency in cases of murder, sexual assault, and domestic violence. pictures can bring the accountability that many demand, but there's a price. jennifer: all of a sudden your loved one's death becomes a hashtag. and it becomes seen by millions of people and forwarded and retweeted and facebooked. joce: that's what happened in a pennsylvania case where video of a deadly encounter with a suspect went viral, the man's last moments now online. they hop his family -- haunt his family. jay stanley: the real challenge is balancing how to get the advantages of these cameras without turning it into a privacy meltdown. joce: jay stanley is with the american civil liberties union which has a split take on body cams. while they take a "dim view" of surveillance cameras, they do support police cameras as a "check against the abuse of power." if there's a question of police abuse, the aclu supports reasing the tape. [gunshots] jay: when those two values come into direct conflict, you have to make very tough calls. we think, in those situations, the default should be that they should be made public because of the overwhelming public interest in doing that oversight and it can't be vetoed by the family or the victims themselves. joce: the debate is complicated by the fact that police are the ones who usually have veto power. but a study on body camera use funded by the justice department found something stunning -- many departments don't have specific written policies for how they should be used and when video should be released. lindsay miller goodison: it was very concerning, because obviously we want agencies to have good strong policies in place. joce: lindsay miller goodison conducted the survey for the police executive research forum. what that study offered were strong recommendations about informing victims they are being it's appropriate to make footage public. lindsay: you're dealing with people who are in very vulnerable situations and those agencies need to think about how they're going to handle those types of situations at the outset. joce: even big agencies can be behind the curve. the nypd says is still drafting its formal body camera policy without a federal standard to base it on. and some in law enforcement claim they don't want one. jonathan thompson: every agency is different. joce: that's why jonathan thompson, the executive director of the national sheriffs association, says each jurisdiction needs the freedom to map out their own policies with input from their own communities. he suggests concerns over victims' rights are not forgotten by law enforcement, just carefully balanced. joce: whose voice wins in this debate? jonathan: that's been a very big debate internal to the transparency? i think there is no real correct answer. joce: but without clear answers or standards for the use of police body cameras, a dangerous dilemma remains. jennifer: they shouldn't have to think, "oh my god, if i call 911, is it going to be filmed and am i going to end up on the internet?" public safety should never come with those kinds of questions or consequences -- ever. sharyl: we blurred the identities of the victims ie a policy on the release of body cam videos hinges on state laws. right now, 17 states have at least one law specific to the release of body camera video. 17 more have attempted to pass legislation but failed -- and 16 haven't yet tried. still to come on "full measure" -- we look at a missile system that's supposed to protect us from nuclear attack. so far, it doesn't work well, and wait until you hear about the big bonuses to the company behind these missile misses. joe heck's and donald trump's views on women are disturbing. and they both outlaw abortion. "do you believe in punishment for abortion?" "the answer is that, there has to be some form of punishment." while heck co-sponsored legislation to criminalize abortion, even in cases of rape. donald trump and joe heck are not for you. dscc is responsible for the content of this advertising. i'm catherine cortez masto and i approve this message. narrator: 2013: joe heck votes to shut down the government, risking vital services for thousands of nevada seniors and veterans. but as federal employees like air traffic controllers worked 16 days without pay, joe heck continues to cash his paycheck... joe heck says he deserves it. the pentagon and boeing have been testing a defense system designed to shoot down nuclear missiles fired at the u.s. from enemies like iran and north korea. but it turns out the interceptors failed to destroy their targets in 6 out of 11 tests -- all while boeing got an incredible amount of tax dollars in bonuses. we recently spoke to david willman, the pulitzer prize-winning reporter at the "l.a. times" who investigated the story. what was in the information that should give the public pause? david: the best available en not reliable, cannot be depended on. and, in fact, in the flight tests that have been conducted, no more than half have hit the target -- and these are meticulously scripted for success flight tests. so, it's a system that taxpayers of the united states have paid in excess of $40 billion for that is nowhere near being reliable. sharyl: explain how the bonuses obviously, the contractor wants the system to work, but if they can make it look like it's working better than it is, they get financial rewards? david: the system is all about hitting an enemy missile and yet the criterion for success has been more broadly defined. sharyl: the criterion for them getting bonuses or financial incentives has loosened, in other words? david: yes. sharyl: these are test missiles, but what are they shooting at for the tests? rockets that are typically launched from the marshall islands, from kwajalein, that go up over the pacific, the we hope empty pacific, they soar up out of earth's atmosphere. >> we have lift off. david: our interceptor would typically be fired from vandenberg and would get up into space, three-stage rocket. the final stage is called a kill vehicle and, by that time, it's flying four miles per second and that enemy missile, that mock warhead, in space at those speeds -- it's a tremendously difficult thing to do. sharyl: what's in it for them to be financing with our money a system that's not working out so well? david: they really believed with great zeal that this form of missile defense -- we're using a kinetic collision of an interceptor -- could and would work. and the only thing holding it back was essentially too much oversight and too much government control. the bush administration was all rumsfeld exempted the missile defense agency from standard procurement, pentagon procurement, in testing standards. it was huge. and that really is a condition that persists to this day. sharyl: is the status quo is that we're gonna keep going full speed forward and no one seems to care that it's not particularly accurate or how much money we've put into it so far? david: that's true. and now there's big push in congress to expand this system for the eastern united states and that would be an expenditure of $3.6 billion just to build it and then you'd be putting in as many as 100 or more interceptors into that site. getting it right, getting the technology right, getting the systems engineering right, it's taken a back seat. sharyl: the feds t the "times" the payments complied with all appropriate regulations. and boeing says it met contractual requirements and a variety of incentives across a wide range of program objectives. still to come on "full measure" -- sharyl: haiti was still recovering from a catastrophic earthquake in 2010 when it got hit hard by hurricane matthew. scott thuman says some are questioning whether the red cross is the right agency to manage donations. scott: from impoverished haiti he matthew left his mark and misery. hit, the need is great in haiti and the international effort to help is gearing up, including the american red cross. >> now is the time to help by giving to the red cross. scott: the red cross has been the american standard for disaster relief for years, chartered by congress, supported by the president. president obama: now is the time to show the kind of generosity to express that generosity is by contributing to the red cross. scott: and put on the fundraising fast lane of the likes of apple. but an investigation in 2015 indicated that fundraising following the 2010 earthquake in haiti was a disaster in itself. justin elliott: the american red cross had raised something like $500 million. scott: investigative journalist justin elliott of "propublica" along with npr spent years trying to find out how that money was spent. justin: in one area of port-au-prince where we went, we just started talking to people and very quickly we found the community had a lot of anger towards the american red cross because they had made promises about building homes and several years had gone by and, supposedly, millions of dollars had been spent and no actual homes had been built. scott: this summer, senator chuck grassley issued a scathing report on the red cross efforts following the earthquake. the investigation revealed that a quarter of the money donated was spent on internal costs -- previously disclosed, that the red cross ceo at the time made false statements to the inquiry, and that the charity's ethics unit was severely undermanned and supported. in haiti, there are some calls for funding to be channeled elsewhere now. does that mean that the american red cross has lost its credibility? justin: i think they've certainly lost some credibility. as we were travelling around haiti and talking to people, we heard similar complaints again and again about their failure to consult with the community there, their sort of lack of knowledge about the country, and more basic things, like how to speak the language. scott: in haiti now, according to senator grassley, there's a real need and a chance for the charity to fix the faults of the past. sen. grassley: we want it to be a strong organization. but when people contribute to it, they ought to have confidence that the money is going to be used for the purpose it was given for in the first scott: the american red cross tell me these stories are myths and misleading. they claim 91 cents of every dollar donated to that 2010 earthquake went to help haitians. they also say in light of senator grassley's concerns, they've provided full, unprecedented transparency. sharyl: thanks, scott. and next week, you're here. while i'm off, your cover story will look at some of the military's best. ry is ramping up the use of special forces in our war against terror. we wanted to find out just how [sounds of gunfire] scott: stretching across 19 counties and 10,000 square miles, the men who survive this final exercise will join the elite ranks of one of the army's special operations units, the green berets. the drill is called "robin sage." we were granted rare access to observe the 118 soldiers on the brink of becoming special forces. we are going to show you what is unique about the making of a that's all for this week. i'm sharyl attkisson. joe heck's and donald trump's views on women are disturbing. heck voted to defund planned parenthood 10 times. he was even willing to shut down the government over it. and they both outlaw abortion. "do you believe in punishment for abortion?" "the answer is that, there has to be some form of punishment." criminalize abortion, even in cases of rape. donald trump and joe heck are not for you. . when you see this symbol. you know you're watching television that's educational and informational. the more you know on nbc. josh: today on the voyager, we visit a traditional weaver in her village. angela: this is a textile made from henequen fiber. watch a mayan cacao ceremony. and find out all about the first hot chocolate. wow, it tastes nothing like chocolate. then later, try out tortilla making. this is hard. she thinks i'm funny. my name is josh garcia. ever since i was a kid i dreamt about traveling the world by ocean, immersing myself in new cultures and exploring nature's wonders.

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