To Beijing in 2 incidents in the early evening both the high court and the quarter final appeal had fires set at that entrances there was also some vandalism of shops but overall the protest was peaceful The turnout was a clear signal to chief executive Kerry lamb that the protesters want an independent investigation into alleged police brutality and steps to universal suffrage among other demands during the evening there were escalating tensions between launch groups of riot police facing off against Maust black clad anti-government protesters and police cordoned off several streets but demonstrators then started to head home a rare peaceful protest in recent times for n.p.r. News I'm Ana Marie Evans in Hong Kong and you're listening to n.p.r. News from Washington. One of the most popular musicians of the year has died the fast rising young rapper juice world had what's being called a medical emergency at Chicago's Midway Airport early this morning N.P.R.'s honest this has more juice world born as Gerard Anthony Higgins was just 21 years old he had had a great year professionally and his fans loved his emotionally vulnerable songs in March the Emaar rapper hit number one on the Billboard 200 chart with his album Death Race For Love this week Spotify announced he was among the top 5 male artists streams in the u.s. In 2001000. First came to mainstream recognition with 17 called Nothing's different than one of its songs lucid dreams went to number 2 on the Billboard Hot 100 on a says it's so close n.p.r. News New York the weekend box office frozen 2 took the top spot for the 3rd weekend in a row with $34000000.00 An estimated ticket sales the Disney animated sequel has grossed more than $100000000.00 worldwide it will soon become the 6th Disney release this year to cross the $1000000000.00 mark in 2nd place the whodunnit knives out with $14000000.00 Ford versus Ferrari stayed in 3rd place with $6000000.00 this weekend the racing drama starring Matt Damon and Christian Bale has taken in $168000000.00 internationally and the romance Queen slim moved up to 4th place in its 2nd weekend with $6000000.00 I'm Janine Herbst And you're listening to n.p.r. News from Washington support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations other contributors include indeed with its skills tests built for employers who want to see the deeper sense of the person behind the resume learn more and indeed dot com slash n.p.r. And the ne Casey Foundation. 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Fight Club the 25th Hour Moonrise Kingdom and aisle of dogs he's been nominated for 3 Oscars including one for his performance in Birdman Norton grew up in a diverse planned community Columbia Maryland which was designed by his grandfather James Rouse who was described in his New York Times obituary as a socially conscious visionary developer who built new towns in the countryside shopping malls in the suburbs and festival marketplaces like Faneuil Hall in Boston he used some of his profits to help generate housing for the poor roust stands in contrast to the city planner and developer played by Alec Baldwin in Motherless Brooklyn he's a corrupt power broker forcing working class African-Americans out of their neighborhoods to make way for new developments. Norton plays a private eye who stumbles on this corruption while investigating a murder Norton's character is a loner who has Tourette's syndrome and is always explaining and apologising for his tics twitches and verbal outbursts in this scene he's driving a young African-American woman an activist trying to prevent working class black people from being forced out of their homes the car radio is too into a jazz station and he's trying to explain his tics and verbal outbursts like this 1 . 1000000000 the Metropolitan Opera House. I'm sorry. Edward Norton welcome to Fresh Air thanks for coming I love the film Thanks so much glad to be here so you don't have to rats you're not an orphan like the main character in Motherless Brooklyn is but are there things you identified with about this character. Sure I mean apart from an identification with. Compulsive tendencies and a tendency to have arguments with myself in my own brain. What makes any character great who has a heightened condition that's maybe more extreme than anything the rest of us live with is if we can still see ourselves in him and I think. Lionel's got paradoxes enemies got contradictions he's he's really smart but he tripped himself up he's pretty dysfunctional and chaotic to he he's tough he's a Brooklyn street kid but he's also really lonely and sad you know and I think. Whether or not you got to read so you can relate to the feeling of being misunderstood or underappreciated he's an underdog there's a part in the film where this character is having a conversation with a jazz trumpeter played by Michael k. Williams and the character Lionel the detective is trying to explain his like tics and obsessions and saying things that he doesn't mean to say and how his brain seems to have something wrong with it and the trumpeter says Ok you've got a head that's always boiling over turning things around but that's music it controls you some people call it a gift but it's a brain affliction of the same Did you write that yeah. Where does that come from you feel that way about acting sometimes I do I do yes in a lot of ways the trumpet player was me. In a sense that I've always felt like when Lionel says the trumpet player yeah but you know at least you have a horn to push it out through and make it sound pretty just you know stuck twitching twitching and shouting I feel like acting gives me an outlet for a compulsion I have to work mimicry that I've always had as a kid imitating people's voices the sounds of their accents. It's very reflexive thing for me and I think acting you also and writing there's a lot of obsession with words in it a lot of I think compulsive twisting around of words and language. That music that was playing in that scene is played is from the The Great album bird and does and it's funny like Bird and is is like it's a jazz album that any movie actor can really relate to because they've got like 4 takes of Lester leaps in and you know for takes each of the tracks in fact this track called Boom veto is the only one that there is a single take of it they put multiple takes and that's what film acting is it's chasing a variation on a theme that lands right in your head and I think I relate very much to that musical kind of impulse to keep twisting a phrase around until it hits some sort of state of sand in your head. Mother spoken reminds me so much of Chinatown but like the New York version you know Chinatown is set in l.a. In the twenty's thirty's thirty's probably right yeah and what's really scarce in l.a. Is water so the mystery has a lot to do with water rights and corruption in water rights and your movie Motherless Brooklyn is set in New York and what's scarce in New York land rights so this has to do with land rights and construction rights and redevelopment and somebody very corrupt behind a lot of it in that corrupt person isn't a Moses Randolph and they're clearly modeled on Robert Moses. And Robert Moses you know remade a lot of New York he tore down a lot of buildings and buildings sometimes that he considered slums and then built bridges and roads and theaters and beaches. And the projects. Yeah the housing projects the federal. You know which ironically in New York many neighborhoods that were actually stable working class minority neighborhoods were tagged slums so that federal money could be used to clear them and build things like the federal housing projects which in fact became essentially the worst slums in New York. Your grandfather James Rouse was a developer and his emphasis was on building diverse communities for diverse economic and racial and ethnic groups to live in together so did you see your grandfather as a kind of. Alternate version of Robert Moses Yes he certainly was his values were almost polar opposite diametrically opposed however what you want to put it to Robert Moses he a lot of my grandfather's eat those and values come through the character that Willem Dafoe plays in the film Willem Dafoe plays the brother of this sort of dark and powerful developer city planner and. So my grandfather's ideas about cities. And the need to think of them in human terms and to think of the impact on people not some abstract vision of progress or the future or infrastructure but the idea of cities as a place that helped people become the best version of themselves he had a he had a very humanitarian some would have set almost utopian kind of ideal drove him but he was also extremely effective he was very prescient in terms of predicting what was going to lead to the decay of cities in the sixty's and seventy's and he he was a real visionary in terms of thinking about the ways that urban centers could be revitalized instead of being abandoned and he was he was a big believer in community and culture and revitalization as opposed to the wrecking ball among the things he did was develop models and marketplaces in cities including Faneuil Hall in Boston Harbor Place in Baltimore and in Philadelphia the gallery which was considered I think either the 1st or one of the 1st urban malls. In Philadelphia actually his nephew my uncle or Willard Rouse does a lot I don't know if you develop that that's right that's right I was not I wasn't actually my grandfather but but the one you're talking about Baltimore's Inner Harbor and the Faneuil Hall the market place in Boston Those were good examples of places that in cities that had been written off actually the Baltimore Inner Harbor was literally a dump it was trash dump and he saw opportunity in parts of city centers that had really been essentially relegated to being pockets of true decay people thought he was crazy you can't make a vital marketplace out of these parts of the city and he proved people wrong over and over again and kind of brought life back and he was really one of the people. Who kind of shaped the modern urban renewal ideas that we have seen take place in a lot of places where you've seen revitalization through creative reuse of sort of decrepit former industrial parts of cities even in New York we worked on I worked on the High Line project I was an early board member of this project where we you know we turned an abandoned elevated rail track that was slated to be torn down into a park and it was very much in the spirit of the things my my grandfather loved. You know envisioning something as a place for people as opposed to simply like an old piece of infrastructure that needed to be torn down which would have cost hundreds of millions of dollars and gotten the city nothing and instead we reimagine something and it became not just a gem in the city but actually a big part of the economic revitalization of the whole industrial west side I haven't been to that yet but I've heard great things about it what was your role in developing. I lived in the neighborhood I used to climb up on it and walk along this kind of wild stretch of tree filled train tracks and I was amazed by it and then when I saw that these 2. Guys Joshua David and Robert Hammond had launched this little community group initially just to fight against tearing it down there wasn't a vision of a park Originally I joined forces with them I became an early fundraiser and board member and advocate of that project from the early days of it and those guys became some of the most noted civic heroes of my generation in New York they won the Jane Jacobs prize and and really showed what people can do when they stand up and defend their city there's a lot of that in Motherless Brooklyn too there's a scene where you actually go into the old Penn Station of course that's like New York's great ghost we lost Penn Station we lost our great transcendent train station that you entered and exited the city from because of dark backroom deals and people weren't aware of what was going on and when it was gone suddenly everybody was saying how could that have happened you know how could we have lost our our great rail station like you know that's like Paris is gathered in order Victoria Station and now in New York you know you scuttle in the underground like a rat you don't have any you don't have any great transcendent experience of entering or exiting the city and those kinds of wounds those kinds of losses I think are a lot about models Brooklyn's got a lot of that in it I think it. It's like what what do we lose when people don't know what's going on in the shadows you know when we don't pay attention to the ways that powerful people are you know rewriting the rules My guest is Edward Norton he wrote directed and stars in the film Motherless Brooklyn we'll talk more after a break and our book critic Maureen Corrigan will talk about her list of the top 10 books of the year I'm Terry Gross and this is Fresh Air weekend. Neubauer Family Foundation supports w.h.y. Wise fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from c.v.s. House where pharmacies are just part of what they do from Minute Clinic to home care visits to administering intervene as treatments in patients homes learn more at c.v.s. 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Remains a vital organization for future generations while supporting your own lifelong values is to include the j p r foundation in your will or trust Please take a moment to learn more at i.j. P.R.'s org or call us at 18726191. This is Fresh Air weekend I'm Terry Gross let's get back to my interview with Edward Norton who's had starring or supporting roles in such films as American history x. Fight Club 25th Hour Moonrise Kingdom I love dogs and bird man he wrote directed and stars in the new film Motherless Brooklyn he plays a private detective who has Tourette's syndrome and is uncomfortable around most people but he's great at digging up information while investigating a murder he discovers corruption in the world of New York City Planning and Development working class neighborhoods with predominantly African-American residents are being destroyed to make way for new projects the residents are being evicted and the city isn't providing the help it promised. You know we've been talking about Robert Moses the very powerful developer in New York who had been parks commissioner among other powerful jobs that he held and he York and we're also talking about your grandfather James Rouse who was a very idealistic developer so the developer in your in your movie whose name is Moses Randolph is inspired by Robert Moses and you cast Alec Baldwin to play him which is interesting in so many ways and one of the ways it's really interesting is that like Alec Baldwin on Saturday Night Live plays Donald Trump who is or was you know a developer and a racist property developer running the world. Well your words Yeah but the thing is here's the thing I was finished writing the script by 2012 in 2012 are insane clown president was was a game show host and it was certainly not aimed at him it was much more to me a kind of a distillation of the people that I think are the most dangerous and that I think in a lot of ways new are as a film tradition tends to look at which is Who are the people in the shadows where is the power that dangerous to us that we can't see well that. Serious scene with you and Alec Baldwin from Motherless Brooklyn and you've been posing as a reporter trying to dig up information about the murder of your friend and mentor who was the head of the detective agency where you worked until he was murdered and you've connected you've managed to connect the murder to this corruption in this redevelopment scheme in New York that seems to be masterminded by Alec Baldwin's character so you're talking to him knowing that he's a ruthless power broker with plans to tear down a lot of neighborhoods to create his vision in their place above the law and it no. Just to have it was the difference of the laws or group of we make for the times we find ourselves in. The city in my experience the law will follow you and adapt to what you do you love people like to see the way it is we rebuild an a for. The people to come. At the 100 years now oh matter. Of will help people to make science fiction real the laws of today are roads and bridges and tunnels for commerce to move swiftly over beaches and parks let people stick the rat race in inspire the my publishers of culture brick hellish slums used to be all sounds pretty grand I guess it lets you have to be one of the people whose house is in the way right now. Ok it's a scene from Motherless Brooklyn with Alec Baldwin and my guest Edward Norton So when you cast Alec Baldwin to play the Robert Moses' like character. Was Baldwin already portraying trombones on s n l Yes he was already he would he have been doing that. And did that figure into casting him at all no no really in a way the opposite he and I both were like Do you think it matters that there's a couple little signposts on this and it didn't to me because there's just not that many actors like Alec who have the have to in the that old world New York political boss like characteristic you know and he's so great with language when I I can't tell you Baldwin because when I imagined that big final dark soliloquy in the pool at the end of the movie I really couldn't think of very many people who I thought would do it better than him I could hear him saying those things in my head we're thinking of going Gary Glen Ross also of course you know coffee is for closers only the fact that I can sit here and say you know you know the fact that you can remember a scene like that is a testament to something about the power of that actors ability to deliver that kind of a line so your father now your you have a son who's about 4. 6 actually oh Ok Did being a father affect your approach to work the kind of movies you wanted to make or how much work you wanted to take on yes definitely I think I probably for instance would have gotten around to making this film model's Brooklyn sooner possibly than I did I was I had it ready and I was ready to make it but you know that when kids come into your life like you've got to make a lot of room and space for that the idea of like missing out on magical phases of early life and so I just to me like there's no movie that's worth that at all and so the times that I've delayed on doing work or diff you know sort of like hit pause for family and it's not even. It's never really been a major debate for me it's always a very easy decision but the good news was by the time I did this you know we were in good footing I got to make the movie at home which is a big deal you know like in New York so yeah you know people yeah I know but literally at home some people some people their dream project it might take them to you know Romania and then for Tunisia to shoot their film you know and and I was working at times literally 2 blocks from home Alec lives across the street from me Willem Defoe lives about 4 blocks down the other way most of the actors are really raising my own yeah we shot all over we start all over in New York but the pleasure of working at home and having family nearby being able to be at home on the weekends as it was great so I think that acting in films is a big commitment and I take it seriously so I dive into it but directing is another level of commitment entirely and. I do understand why in some ways people that I really respect need need time in between directing films. So how many years did you work on Motherless Brooklyn. Models Brooklyn I have worked on actively for I think about 15 years it's a really long time isn't it is a fresh trainee to know that you can work on a movie for 15 years and it can play in theaters for a few weeks and then be got. The gestation. It's not like I was sitting in my room trying to get it made for 15 years not doing anything else I mean I made 20 films in that time and I got yeah I got nominated a couple times I made were some pretty good films you know what I mean like yeah I know you mean and I made I built some companies and sold them had some kids like it's. I've been I've been on the busier side of life yeah I got it so the fact that underneath it something was gestating. And it was a thing that needed gestation and needed sort of like the equivalent of slow cooking you know. That's not pain that's just that's just a creative process you know what I mean this project needed that and then eventually because I'm persistent I got it done there was great victory in getting this movie done it's very hard to get these kinds of films made at all these days and unlike you know I mean the Irishman cost $200000000.00 and Once Upon a Time Ali would cost almost a $100000000.00 I made this movie for like 26000000 bucks so the pressures on it are very different and we did it in 46 days so I was very conscientious about trying to diminish minimize the pressures of releasing the movie in the theatrical context by doing it in a very reasonable way Well Edward Norton I want to thank you so much for talking with us pleasure Yeah Edward Norton wrote directed and stars in the film Motherless Brooklyn which is based on a novel by Jonathan Lethem. Our book critic Maureen Corrigan has put together her list of the best books of the year and it's a mix of books by authors old and new Here's her top 10. There's a lot to talk about so let's just get into it here are my top 10 books of 2019 the nickel boys is yet another extraordinary novel by Colson Whitehead Like the Underground Railroad which just came out in 2016 the nickel boys is rooted in history and American mythology yet it's painfully topical in its vision of justice and mercy erratic Lee denied in the early 1960 s. An African-American teenager named Elwood Curtis finds himself wrongfully convicted of a crime and sent to a brutal reform school called the nickel Academy Whitehead's novel is short and intense its chapters as compact as the isolation cells the nickel boys are thrown into and sometimes never leave Susan choice trust exercise is a delicious Lee sharp and self-aware novel set in the 1980 s. In a performing arts high school to 1st year students David and Sara fall in love within the hermetically sealed world of the school and choice somehow makes out of that teenaged affair a wily meditation on memory and art Choi tells us that the theater students live by the adage acting is fidelity to authentic emotion under imagined circumstances that's also not a bad description of how this novel or any powerful novel works any year in which a new novel by and patch it comes out is a standout year in my book The Dutch house is a subtle devastating novel about a brother and sister who stand by each other through the loss of their parents the home they grew up in and the bedrock sir. Tease about their shared childhood I'm not exaggerating when I say that I've really read the ending of this novel at least 5 times trying to unpack its sad magic. Out of all the novels that came out in 2019 last and wanted by Nell Freud number girl is the one that I found myself buying over and over again to give to friends its main character Helen Clapp is a professor of physics at m.i.t. And when the story opens her cell phone rings and an old friend's name comes up on caller id the problem is that friend has just died from that classic creeper premis Frydenberg or crafts a deeply engaged in novel about friendship midlife puzzlement and the mysteries of the universe like Freud and Berger Karen Russell always has her eye on the big picture orange world is Russell's latest short story collection and it contains a masterpiece that story set in the Great Depression is called the prospectors in 33 in Cannes Desson pages Russell gives us the grit desperation and hollow dreams of deliverance that characterize that era the other 7 stories in this collection aren't so bad either. Poet ocean wa emigrated to this country from Vietnam when he was 2 and his autobiographical novel called on earth where briefly gorgeous explores the vexed situation of a child who surpasses his immigrant parents Wang's novel is structured in the form of a letter written by a son to his illiterate mother dear ma the novel begins I am writing to reach you even if each word I put down is one word further from where you are in that single line Wang has captured the unintended rift that education can cause within a working class immigrant family on to nonfiction say nothing by Patrick Redden Keefe is a panoramic investigation into the disappearance of a young widowed mother of 10 in Belfast Northern Ireland in 1972 the era of the troubles say nothing belongs as much to the genre of narrative history as it does true crime however you want to characterize it it's a stunning book the yellow house by Sarah m. Broom is a sweeping multi-generational memoir focusing on her family's house in New Orleans which was blown off its foundations when Hurricane Katrina hit Broome pieces together a larger narrative about race class and the long term toxic consequences of shame. 2019 was a very good year for essay collections but of all the ones I've read Emily Bernard's Black is the body stays with me the most Bernard writes with depth poetic intensity and humor about growing up black in the south and living and teaching in the snowglobe state of Vermont Bernard's personal essays on race never hew to the safe or expected paths and last but certainly not least in how we fight for our lives Saeed Jones writes about growing up black gay and isolated in Texas Jones's voice and Sensibility are so distinct he turns the traditional coming of age memoir inside out and upside down along with Sara broom and ocean psyche Jones is one of the 3 debut pros writers on my top 10 list which is a hopeful thing to take notice of I think as we move into the next decade Maureen Corrigan teaches literature at Georgetown University you can find her top 10 list on our website N.P.R.'s org where you'll also find a link to N.P.R.'s book concierge which includes hundreds of 21000 titles recommended by n.p.r. Staff and critics coming up we'll hear from actor David Harbor He stars in the Netflix series stranger things as Jim Hopper the skeptical police chief of a town beseeched by supernatural events this is Fresh Air weekend. Support for n.p.r. Comes from this station and from new offering a personalized weight loss program based on a cognitive behavioral approach with a goal of losing weight and keeping it off for good learn more at noon and o.o.m. Dot com. And from the candy to fund supporting individual dignity and sustainable communities through investments and transformative leaders and ideas learn more at . Da da Fund dot org support comes from the Oregon cultural trust the trust cultural tax credit empowers Oregonians to direct their state taxes to supporting arts and culture in Oregon before December 31st more at Cultural Trust dot org And by energy trust of Oregon helping you protect our state's natural beauty by saving inner g.e. At home more about energy efficient home upgrades at Energy Trust dot org slash savings. Understand complex. Role in making public radio possible. Call 18761. This is Fresh Air weekend I'm Terry Gross our next guest David Harbor stars in the popular Netflix series stranger things and if you don't watch that perhaps you recognize him from having hosted Saturday Night Live this season on an episode that was rebroadcast last month on stranger things Harbor plays the police chief in the fictional town of Hawkins Indiana in the 1980 s. When the disappearance of a 12 year old boy leads to the discovery of a secret government agency that kidnaps children with psychokinetic powers their experiments have accidentally opened a portal to an alternate dimension filled with monsters that start attacking the town a few years earlier Harbor's character Jim Hopper lost his daughter to cancer which tore apart his marriage when strange things begins he's suffering from depression and self medicating himself with pills and alcohol but as he's drawn into the supernatural events surrounding Hawkins he's able to draw himself up and become a hero al be it a flawed one as he bands together with a group of adolescents to fight the monsters he even adopts a girl whose escape from the secret government agency she goes by the name 11 and is played by Millie Bobby Brown David Harbor spoke with fresh air producer Sam Briger they started with a clip from season 3 of stranger things Jim Hopper's adopted daughter now has a boyfriend the couple spends a lot of time in her bedroom making out and it's driving Hopper crazy so he seeks advice from Joyce the mother of one of the band of kids who he also has feelings for Joyce is played by Winona Ryder. And then Al she just slams the door right in my face. You know is that smug son of a bitch Mike he's corrupting our I'm telling you and I'm just going to lose it I mean I'm going to lose it Joyce just take it down the hopper I mean for them to break up that is not your decision they're spending entirely too much time together you agree with me about their right I mean purchase kissing right yeah but it is constant it is hard to spit Ok that is not normal that is not healthy you can't just force them apart I mean they're not little kids anymore hot they're teenagers if you order them around like a cop then they're going to rebel It's just what they do you know what I'm just wants to let them do whatever they want oh I didn't say that I think you should talk to them now now because talking doesn't work not yelling not ordering talk to them. All at the heart to heart the heart to heart when you sit them down and you talk to them like you're their friend I find if you talk to them like you're on their level then they really start to listen and then you know you could start to create some boundaries. Around yet but hot it's really important that no matter how they respond you stay calm you cannot lose your temper . Maybe you could do it for me. That's a scene from Stranger things season 3 between one on a writer in our guest David Harbor David Harbor welcome to Fresh Air Thanks for having me so your character Jim Hopper what's is arc in the 3rd season it seems like he's frustrated a lot he's frustrated his adopted daughter and her boyfriend don't respect him He's also frustrated romantically I think he has feelings for Winona Ryder How did he decide to play in this last season you know I mean it's funny you know he's gone through a lot of stuff over the years it's been 2 years and you know in the 1st year he was sort of struggling with you know sort of coming alive again after the death of. His daughter and fighting this monster and then in season 2 he struggles further with opening up and again he fights huge interdimensional monster and this season his greatest challenge arises which is his daughter starts kissing in the other room next to him and I think that like he's crazier than ever this season and I think that's the fun kind of paradox of the show is that even the character is just a guy like Hopper who can is very capable in certain ways and he's a very capable detective he's a very capable you know in season 2 he's building trip wires outside his house I mean he's a very capable man and certain ways and then when it comes to relationships he's sort of incapable and certainly in terms of raising a teenage daughter he's just completely not prepared for that right now and so it sort of thrust him into the arms of Joyce in a sense I mean she's a single mother who's done very well by it and I think that the initial there is attraction and sort of longing underneath there but the big impulse this season is that he needs some help or you know being a single parent I think he has no idea and I think that's really what binds them now well let's hear a great scene with one of your 2 main female co stars in Stranger things we heard a scene with Winona Ryder let's hear on with Millie Bobbi Brown just for people who haven't watched the show I guess there are some people out there she plays 11 who's a younger who's stolen at birth from the secretive government agency who's been doing experiments trying to weaponize like her she has supernatural abilities. And so she's not really socialized because she was like kept in isolation and by Season 2 Your character has actually adopted her and I wanted to play a scene from that season not going to get too much of the plot but. 11 had run away to try to find her birth mother and she's come back and she's actually she looks a little different she looks a little more rock'n'roll so do let's let's hear you guys are sitting in your car together talking before like a big big action scene. Was in a new kid you should have been there. And shouldn't have lied to you more. When you could we've. Walked through this and. So knows if you were come. To come to some kind of black hole or something. Like oh yeah it's a neurosis thing in outer space. It sucks everything towards it destroys. Sarah had a picture book about I was this you know if. You Sarah. Sarah. Sarah is my girl. Was another girl. That's a really great scene I mean you hear you trying to connect trying to explain these really complicated things. Trying to just. I don't know just get to regrets you have I mean it it's just it's just really I mean did you did you guys practice that scene a lot before doing it. And that really I mean one of the great things about that whole season was is that 1000000 I that point that comes in episode 9 I think and so we have been working together for months and months and we had just sort of developed this relationship both on and off screen that was very you know Father Daughter and complex in a certain way and so. I remember when we got to I don't think we rehearsed it at all like I think I said to the duffers you know. I always like shooting Millie early because she's so strong and she's just like letting it happen and you know when it's new for her and so I don't think we even read it through and we just turn the cameras on and we just did it something very. Unspoken between the 2 of us that really got developed during that season and continues to this day I don't have kids but I feel very. Strongly protective of her. And so it was those scenes are very easy to play and certainly yeah I was wondering about that like how do you navigate your relationship with the younger actors because I'm sure that sometimes you do feel parental towards them I mean you're acting as a parent as one of them had been at times they come to you casting you in a parental role off off set but of course you're not their parent. Yeah I mean I think it has all the complexity that you could imagine I mean there are these wonderful parental things that you feel in the open you up and there are scenes you know where you'll do a good scene in the come over and hug you afterwards and that's not happening with other actors work with you know but then there also is all the annoyance of being a parent to like I felt like they throw tantrums or they make you know fart jokes all the time you know and then the other thing is that they're they're all going through puberty now they're like 15 and so they want to talk about things that it's not appropriate for me to talk to have about health cover up and ask they exude I'll be like I need to go get a cup of coffee and you guys could discuss that amongst yourselves but that is not my job I'm not exit here I have no good authority well maybe I have I do not want to talk to you about this. It's also interesting because you know you're really gaining a lot of celebrity it from the show the same time they are but you know you're in your forty's and they're teenagers what's like sharing that experience with them I mean I worry for them and probably unnecessarily because I'm viewing it through my own lens. And my particular lens has been that. Fame is a very tricky thing and I've always felt I was very grateful for the mistakes that I was able to make in my teens twenty's even thirty's like big grand mistakes because they were not seen by a lot of people and it allowed me a certain creative freedom where I could really find my own voice before that voice got adulation and the problem with a 12 year old is when you tell a 12 year old that they're genius I think there's got to be some protection over what they've been doing and I don't want to 12 year old to be the same person as a 25 year old or a 30 year old so I think there's a danger in giving too much adulation to someone so young and I think we should i mean my view I would love it if everybody was just really excited about the work they did but just remained completely quiet and didn't tell them that we could you know they could develop and grow as an artist and become because I want these kids to become the next Meryl Streep's or Daniel Day Lewis is or whatever of our industry I want them to be the leaders creatively and I worry about them being stilted because of so much adulation. You've been candid about being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and actually being institutionalized I think in your mid twenty's . Before you were diagnosed and and started getting treatment do you think that having bipolar disorder affected the way that you acted Oh God yeah I think. There's always been a link between creative people and what society defines as mental illness. I think that you know for me personally one of the things that I've felt it's my life has been. That I've been somewhat of an outcast or been sort of too sensitive for a lot of people I've been too much in a certain way and so acting allowed me to channel all of this neurosis the sensitivity into a character and I think in a certain way I mean one of the if you could I sort of like to be very diverse in my characters but if you could call me a certain brand I guess it would be sort of a heroic outcast in a sense because I am a big guy and I know how to fight but at my essence I have a lot of empathy for those people who are lost and who feel like they don't really know what's going on because I myself have been there when. You started getting treatment and that said that you got medication. Were you worried at all that like taking medication would like dampen your ability to act. I'm still worried about it . I mean I. I do I continue to take medication for this I have found though the thing that has benefited my stability in this by far has been psychoanalysis and the validation of my narrative by the culture to a certain degree fame has also helped my problems and so medication does have a place in this I think for acute cases it can be very helpful but I think if you don't go into the trauma as I didn't for years I used medication but I would descend again and again and I would continue to have problems I've been in psychoanalysis for 4 years and I've been very stable for 4 years and that's. Direct correlation whereas I've taken medication for. What is it like 18 years and I have not been very stable under simple medication and so although medication has helped in certain ways did you start talking about this stuff publicly after stranger things I did yeah and if you feel like you were doing up a public service and in some ways sort of showing that here you are an actor who is unable to be successful and you've you've had to deal with these issues and I mean I've always wanted. You know I had a. I've always wanted to do it in a very dramatic way too like I had a whole speech prepared for an award I was you know when I didn't win and that ruined it but it was you know I was up and say wait something exists actually I was so excited and then. You know because I do feel like I want kids if you're a kid and you like you know live in Oklahoma and you're 10 years old and you just got diagnosed with. O.c.d. Or a.d.h. D. Or you know bipolar I want you to know that you can be a powerful strong successful even strong cultural voice in this world with this you know label attached to. It doesn't define you and it's certainly not a death sentence. If anything like the neuro atypical ality I think propels you to being a greater free thinker and more equipped for creativity in certain ways and I would encourage all those people to not feel outcasted and act out and in ways that can be gnarly but to actually embrace like their artistic sides and to realize that they're outcasts and they're different this is also linked to their special Miss They are intertwined. In a beautiful way they have it hard thanks so much for being here thanks Matt It's my pleasure David Harbor stars in the Netflix series stranger things he spoke with fresh air producer Sam Briger. Fresh air weekend is produced by 2 recent. Executive producer is the. 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