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Hello welcome to business matters I'm Jamie Roberts and all coming up of the next hour Larry Page and Sergey Brin give up leadership of alphabet that's the company that grew out of Google which they founded together 21 years ago and the pressure grows on President Trump as the panel leading his impeachment inquiry says evidence for the impeachment is overwhelming so it's not only what he did but they're also looking at what he did to obstruct their efforts to investigate that and that itself could form the grounds of an article of impeachment now going to join throughout the program by 2 guests on opposite side of Pacific Russell the office of a Research Network joins us from Toronto Ruff good to have you with us nobody needs and you're Chicago is professor emeritus at ups for brushy University and currently a member of the World Economic Forum's expert network joins us from Tokyo Yoko welcome. Good morning good morning to you as deep in the middle of the night here and there we do mix the time sense together it is a significant moment when an entrepreneur steps away from the company that he or she has created and this is what's happened today to entrepreneurs in fact Larry Page that Brian who founded Google some 21 years ago have stepped down from alphabet the name of that massive $800000000000.00 holding group at the Creation developed into the presidency of Google's and upper jaw he's going to step up to run the group the 2 men said they believed it was time to assume the role of proud parents offering advice on love by not daily nagging your miles attack John List of founder of pocket link he's been writing coincidentally about tech for 20 years which is about as long as Google itself has been around the still remaining of the company stores down the board still you know shareholders exposure but I think really the reality is I want to step away from daily life who is now 21 years old and probably it's a very very different company from when I started back in the late ninety's is this surprising or is it a shock that both I think it's one of the things is probably a shock that they've actually started do it but it's not surprising at the same time both characters have been kind of in the background for a long time now with quite a few people sort of wondering sort of from a public facing point of view if you know you haven't heard Brin and Page is names being thrown around in the same way that you would say Tim Cook or you know Musk What was that particular genius do you think I think it was that when Google 1st started it was very much about this singular page on the web that you just had a search party started typing it and results came back it was very different to what was around at the time which was Yahoo all to vist Netscape all these kind of things which would seem to be what kind of Facebook and sort of the m.s.n. Are still today. He kind of said look we were very simple very different over that time Google then became out for a better parent company has transformed into a company of mammoth proportions that offers everything from thermostats to control your home driving to search engines a huge so all these different functionalities and features that in our daily lives you know Android and all those things and probably just the mammoth task of trying to keep control of that company and steer in the right direction with all these heads of departments facing you and all the other stuff the pro just wasn't exciting anymore they got some fantastic people you know Sunday up at Shari is c.e.o. Of Google is stepping up to become c.e.o. Of alphabet it's kind of is one of those things where a lot of people see alphabet and Google the same business anyway well alphabet looks after all the what they call moonshot So all the other things are necessary search and so you know you'll see this sort of transition for going forward It sounds of messes a company left them and they left to come. I think you could probably say that they were both engineers to begin with they were the creative the original algorithms search has been incredibly popular you know it's a dominating force it's the search engine although there are other alternatives most of us use on a daily basis you know whilst it's exciting to also be in control of a cell phone car or robots and Google's in the process of buying for all these things it's probably not if you're an engineer at heart a lot of entrepreneurs star company and I realize that some time after the fact of successful that the thing you love doing you're no longer doing any more and I suspect that's probably they probably got to a point where they just want to get back to the coal face almost and enjoy what they do rather than people down with all of hype for. The of running a bulky $1000000000.00 business so you don't think it's going to change the company or 2 of them taking this backseat you know you don't just suddenly say Ok So everybody tomorrow we're leaving this would have been a succession plan that's been in place for a number of years I don't think that where Google is a company that the shouts of us by this because it's kind of been that transition period in fact we haven't heard of the names being bandied around in the same way that we have other C.E.O.'s that frequently are over the last 6912 months. The tech website talk at length a lint. What I think is extraordinary about the story really is how long they've been in the company to go from being an entrepreneur starting a business in a small her carriage right where you through to making something this big it requires an extraordinary sort of leap of imagination a managerial ability to go that whole distance doesn't it very few people do that I think it's very true and that's precisely the kind of issues that we're faced with right now here in Japan and I have had an opportunity to go to the start up sort of events in Japan as well as the big Google event and Google event was a lot of fun you know covering a lot of things and exciting and inspiring at the On the contrary that start up event here in Japan seems to be having a lot of trouble scaling up so they seem to be they don't they don't think about the of the big grand vision unless the founders of it and Google so that's a big a big difference and I'm very impressed right but then I thought of the decision they start up you got to start ups I just can't get to the next level is not right right and I think a lot of companies particularly start ups here are much more interested in the i.p.o. Rather than you know being bought or you know making scale up and things like that so they're there seems to be the very vision there is scope the scale is much much much smaller even though I mean id and also the things makes it global from the beginning if they want and if it be impressed sue the the big dream they I believe that they can do it but not too many people are able to do that follow that for 20 years yes I think you have to have a passion for. No business we want you do and I think so many entrepreneurs cv end prize the money at the end I think you know we're going to get I get to be i.p.o. We're all from what you make from life that's awesome Well that's true there are many who are actually it that perception but the one thing that I think people are getting here is that once you start running an organization as large as Google is and it has it's quite a few employees it's quite a few countries and it becomes an administrative nightmare these guys started this organization because they're entrepreneurs when you start doing admin admin admin My only thought is why haven't they left earlier they still control the organization they like this type of environment but they don't like the administration and they get bogged down in Astray tional the time so I am and not it's any way whatsoever surprise that they decided to serve like wish to command this while still having ownership position and try to focus on other things and try to recreate Google in a different place for whatever their interests are it's yeah I think it definitely can conclude why didn't they leave early I mean not that it seems to have been a problem because it's I we must move on we have a stories we have a lot of stories today we're going to go into politics and. The voices for the impeachment of Donald Trump grew a little louder today Democrat u.s. House Intelligence Committee has released a report setting out its case for impeaching the president saying it was overwhelming it accuses Mr Trump of obstructing justice and Congress and soliciting the interference of foreign government Ukraine to help his reelection next year it is also produced more evidence regarding phone calls made by Rudy Giuliani Mr Trump's personal lawyer now the White House says it is a one sided sham process which has failed to produce any evidence of presidential wrongdoing Amy McKinnon is a reporter at foreign policy based in Washington d.c. So much of what's in the report is a summary of what we've heard from over 30 hours of testimony which we've heard from current and former senior officials so there wasn't too many surprises in the report but there was one standout detail which was they managed to get caught. Logs released from phone companies which detail Rudy Giuliani's phone calls with the White House with the Office of Management and Budget and of course with Devon Nunez who is the most senior Republican in the White House Intelligence Committee now we don't know what was the detail of those calls but they certainly took place that at critical moments over the spring and summer whilst Giuliani was spearheading this this campaign to to dig up dirt on the president's political rivals in Ukraine but that's not the clincher is it in terms of the impeachment proceedings it's not to clinch it but it's another to move things an inch forward and it certainly really spotlights Giuliani's role in this and for me the most interesting part is his phone calls the Office of Management and Budget because you know it sounds like a slightly boring name but that's the office which is really at the heart of this on the question of when the aid was stalled because it was that office which follow the orders of the president to stall the military aid to Ukraine and and they've really been in the spotlight of this process Ok so where are we in this process what comes up next so this report was kind of the Intelligence Committee formally passing the torch on to the Judiciary Committee the Intelligence Committee did the kind of evidence gathering and now it falls to the you dish or a panel to decide what of that evidence may amounts to impeachable offenses and how they broke their that report down into 2 sections which may be kind of a way to guide the Judiciary Committee the 1st section outlining you know what they see as as misdemeanors by the president and then of course the whole 2nd section was devoted to obstruction so it's not only what he did but they're also looking at what he did to obstruct their efforts to investigate that and that itself could form the grounds of an article of impeachment so far we've seen very predictable lines being taken by both parties Democrats on one side Republicans on the other at any point can you see in the coming months that may be Republicans coming over to back them preachment proceedings based on everything that we've seen so far my sense is that that's going to be unlikely and that raises a question. For the Democrats as to what exactly what they want to get out of this if this process you know they hold a majority in the house they could certainly pass articles of impeachment and that does seem likely that could happen before Christmas but then the question is well you know can they get the public support on side and can they win over and the Republicans critically for a Senate trial in the moment that is looking unlikely so it could go down in history as you know as an impeachment but as a very one sided impeachment that was I mean the kind of reporter Foreign Policy in Washington rough. Is one of these stories which drags on and on it becomes increasingly important as it as it drags on and on but one even you try and keep your interest and then suddenly something comes along it ratchets up a little bit how is it being seen in Canada next door which let's say it's not just in Canada but the u.s. This is a very well thought out plan by the Democrats about making sure that this whole process peaks specifically around the peak of the campaign that's coming up now there's very little. Belief that they can get anything passed the Senate so clearly getting him out of power through this process is likely not going to happen however the part of the point here is to keep the attention on this process while he's trying while the president is campaigning and they are very being very successful in doing that their hope of course is that not only people change their minds but also a few Republicans might also change their minds feeling that they can't win if they continue to support a president who's under impeachment hearings but very often historically is used to improve that when a president an impeachment proceeding takes place against a president that popularity actually goes up they see them as being a victim or being harassed somewhere that's correct but the president isn't helping him in this particular case so all the reports are sorry all the surveys that are going out are not actually indicating that in this particular case simply because every. Time or something happens he goes on air and he actually says something that sort of either supports the point or is misconstrued or whatever the case may be so it seems like it's a fight a tit for tat fight so we're not seeing the same uptick as we have been previous impeachment hearings which is exactly what the Democrats want and why the Democrats haven't let this go you care one house at the center is getting much attention. Not that much and I went to this event talking about the world in 2020 and Japan and Asia in 2020 now one mentioned the the impeachment even though we talked about the us China trade issues and things like that and also that react reelection whether the. Present Trump is going to be reelected or not maybe have some interest but impeachment itself really is not an on the agenda that all will be going to be talking about trade and just a 2nd but 1st let's catch up with the news headlines of Debbie Rowe's that u.s. Democrats have set out their case for removing President Tom from office saying there's overwhelming evidence he abused his powers for personal gain. Because founders of Google Larry Page and Sergey Brin stepping aside from running the company they built into a giant of the Digital Economy researchers say they've developed artificial neurons which could help patients overcome disease or paralysis on the prestigious turnout prize has been awarded to all 4 shortlisted artists after they declared themselves a collective. Now Mr Trump's been in the news on Tuesday for more than impeachments He's also been rocking the markets by saying use prepared to put a trade deal with China on the backbone until after next year's election now the market did actually recover some of its losses but it's been batted back and forth by the contradictory news coming out of negotiations in Beijing and Washington so I asked Thomas McCloskey who is the associate professor of economics is a chief business school in Paris whether he could detect a strategy behind Mr Trump's various announcements so this is a very good question it seems that the has 1st of all some of his very deep convictions that he has voiced for ages now for out his entire public carrier since the ninety's where he basically was quite a protectionist on top of that he employed a lot of officials that are pretty much hawkish about trying to extend various trade figures from different countries. And at times people who clashed with them were more of the Globalist sort they left the administration so nowadays Trump listens actually to the hawks that want to be aggressive with a lot of countries he doesn't mind sending the stock market down a couple of percentage points in order that by saying he's going to hold it he's not going to do a deal till off to the election doesn't really mind well he thinks probably that the. Stock market is a little bit like a casino for the time being it went up this year approximately 2520 percent depending on where you look and then he thinks that he has some cash in the bank now so it is a good question how much he's sensitive to this stock market data in general what I would say is the the big question is how are the negotiations with the Chinese actually going and this is something we don't know it's quite telling that the u.s. Moves come just after the Chinese manufacturing indicators improved last week whereas yesterday we had the theory ration furder theory sion of the pm I's in manufacturing in the us so it seems that China who is considered to be the weaker of the 2 is somewhat managing to weather this trade war whereas us is not so Trump perhaps the we don't know perhaps the Chinese officials so hardened their stance and Trump deciding that no trade deal is going to be in sight he decided to fight it out and by fighting it out he can actually perhaps in his