Captioning sponsored by wpbt this is n. B. R. Susie good evening everyone. Im susie gharib. The sequester deadline is tomorrow, but it could take months for those massive federal spending cuts to ripple through the economy. Tom im tom hudson. Those cuts come at a time when the economy is struggling to grow, the latest showing on g. D. P. Shows growth but just barely. Susie and a big Management Change at groupon c. E. O. Andrew mason is out at the daily deals site he cofounded. Tom that and more tonight on n. B. R. susie you know the economy is not very strong when analysts cheer because growth has been revised up by a fraction, from a negative 0. 10 . And with growth flatlined, economists are wondering whether the upcoming budget cuts known as the sequester will derail the recovery. The good news is the cuts will take time to be felt. The bad news, as darren gersh reports, is the cuts will build in pain over time. Reporter in terms of its impact on the economy, the sequester is really more of a slow quester. The impact of the across the board spending cuts will take time to build and it could be months before its felt throughout the economy. Students of government dysfunction say this is not the same as a government shut down or hitting the nations borrowing limit. There is not that great an urgency. When we were talkingbout the debt ceiling, there was real urgency, because if we got to the point where you literally cant pay the bills, thats a very big deal. In this case, well see cuts, i mean depending on exactly how the Obama Administration runs things, we may not see anything at all march first. Reporter well, not exactly nothing. Federal workers and many contractors will get letters tomorrow or early next week giving them notice that they might be furloughed soon. Its hard to see how that would boost Consumer Confidence and retail sales next month. But the longer the cuts last, the deeper the impact. If this goes for the whole year, next seven months, there is no doubt we will have 85 billion in cuts. There will be people laid off, there will be furloughs, there will be contracts canceled, so if you take the whole time, yes. But on the fourth or march, almost nothing like that will happen. The real deadline to worry about now is march 27. Thats when funding for the government runs out. And if that happens, it wont be a few workers who are furloughed. Most of the government will shut down. Fr Social Security offices to nation parks and the department of agriculture. If you live in iowa and you go to the local county agent in agriculture. There is a very good chance his lights will be turned off on the 28th and he wont be there to give you a soil sample analysis. Reporter a shutdown may be more dramatic, but it probably wouldnt last long. But if the sequester does last, it would likely shave about half a percentage point from the economys growth rate and cost 750,000 jobs. Darren gersh, n. B. R. , washington. Tom darren has more on the sequester on his blog, just head to www. Nbr. Com and look for the blogs tab. Clearly the sequester is a major concern for the u. S. Economy. But today, at least, there was some good news the economy actually grew in the final quarter of last year, instead of shrinking, as was first estimated. The revised Gross Domestic Product grew 0. 10 in the Fourth Quarter. A month ago, the government thought the economy shrank that much. But a drop in Government Spending remains a big overhang for the economy this year. Erika miller reports. Reporter a tenth of a percent gain in Economic Growth is not much to brag about, but at least the economy is moving in the right direction. The report was encouraging despite the very weak headline number. The reason is that the parts of the report that we think indicate the underlying trend things like business spending and housing investment, all of those were pretty positive in the g. D. P. Numbers. Reporter but, todays revision does not change the fact that growth nearly stalled out the end of last year. In addition, many economists were hoping the revisionould show an even bigger gain. What really held the economy back in Fourth Quarter back was a drop in inventory buildup. But thats not entirely bad. Its actually a positive for production in the first half of this year. A lean inventory situation means that factories will have to ramp up production. Reporter economists put some of the blame for Fourth Quarter weakness on superstorm standy, which slammed into the northeast in late october. Its also possible that part of the weakness in the Fourth Quarter was payback for the third quarters strong 3 growth rate. One of the most worrisome aspects of todays report is a sharp 22 drop in defense spending. We are in a declining defense spending environment. But we think the q4 decline of 22 overstates trend significantly. Just to play an experiment if we kept going at the pace, the Defense Budget would be at zero within five years. We think thats pretty unlikely. Reporter the concern for the economy now is even deeper Government Spending cuts, especially if the sequester takes effect. But for now, economists are confident growth will steadily improve through the year. Were looking for maybe 1. 5 growth real growth in the first quarter. And then each quarter getting a little bit faster. So 2 in the second quarter, 2. 5 in the third quarter, and by yearend 3 g. D. P. Growth. Reporter and 3 g. D. P. Growth, if sustained, could mean a longawaited reduction in unemployment. Reporter so, although the Fourth Quarter growth may have been the weakest of the recovery, at least its still a recovery. The economy has now officially grown for 14 consecutive quarters. Erika miller, n. B. R. , new york. Susie for more about the economy, growth and the sequester, we turn to robert brusca, chief economist at fact and opinion research. Hi, bob, how are you doing . Fine, susie, thank you. Susie all right so, weve been talking a lot about how the economy did in the last three months of 2012 but how about right now, the Current Quarter . How would you describe the health of the economy right now . Well, right now i would say confused. We have some positive indicators. We have some negative indicaters. We have had some recent indicators that were a little bit better than we expected but theyre still in the good. Consumer confidence, for example s a little bit better than we thought. Its still very weak. Federal reserve has a survey of manufacturing in february, you look at the five districts that report, some of them are, one of them at least is pretty strong. But the others are quite weak. So youve a lot of mixed numbers here. The one thing people are looking at that are kind of encouraged are the somewhat sporadic decline in job its claims this is really volume difficult volatile and it hard to pin it down. Susie you also have good numbers coming out in housing. So will you put this all together . Are we on a positive trajectory or what . You say its confusing. Well, i think we have growth. I dont think we have much growth. And the question is whether like the other people we just spoke, you want to go with the idea that were going to have half percent, and well 1 and a half percent and build from there and that is good or we have 1. 5 and this sequestration will make the economy weaker. We ha to ccerourlves with what people think. The economy is to the turning out very good numbers. The Housing Impact vim litted. You have need high Credit Scores to participate in the Housing Market and the housing numbers although they have been positive, the new home sales number was very strong t occurred watch weaker prices than weve seen the previous month soichlt think you have to be somewhat cautious about how you look at those housing numbers. Uhhuh. Talk a little bit more with us about the consumers. They have been hit with higher taxes in their paycheck. Higher gas prices at the pump. Do you think that consumers are still going to be very reluctant to spend or are we such a shop till you drop society that they will come in any way . Well, i always thought we were kind of a shop to drop economy but unfortunately pem are dropping. If you look at the Sales Results from pennies, if you look at sears, if you looked at the report that walmart has for the first sales report that they are looking at now, youre talking about some pretty weak numbers. These are the value shoppers. This is where they go. And theyre now paying thos taxes again and its taking money out of their check and it is going to have an impact there are people at the top that will continue to shop but there are people at the bottom that have already started to drop. Susie talk to me a little bit about the sequester. You know, we sometimes think washington will come up with some last minute deal, thats just the way washington works. Any chance of that happening. And if not, what is all what is the sequester really mean for the consumer and for the economy . Well, i suppose its possible. You know, right now we arent hearing anything about a deal. There doest seem be anhing in the works. Both sides are talking about how well have the sequester. And it seems to be where were headed. The president wants more cash revenues. The republicans think that they gave them tax revenues at the end of the year when they made that deal. And remember the sequestration is the part of the fiscal cliff that got pushed into later in the year. So this is part of that deal. And the republicans think that basically they already gave at the office. But the president wants more. Now the cbo tells us the tax revenues is share of gdp are already headed for higher than normal levels. So this is ere tebattle isbeing ford. The republicans say you have enough tax revenue and the president says he wants more. He wants more spending. And this is going to hurt peoples confidence. We dont really know how far its going to go. Economists can give you estimates but i think its going to hurt confidence. When people get pink slipped and they dont foe if they lose their job or not that will have a real impact. All right. Well, as darren was reporting. It will be gradual but still painful. Thanks some of, bob. Economist bob brusca, of fact and opinion. Thank you. Tom still ahead, with Student Loan Debt surging to record levels, delinquencies are hitting new highs too. Susie despite todays sluggish growth numbers, there was one bright spot in the economy, a drop in new claims for jobless benefits. Unemployment claims dipped in the past week, falling by 22,000 to 344,000. So much for record territory, the dow stalled out late in the day, and stocks slipped into negative ground. The dow fell 21 points, the nasdaq lost two, the s p off one point. Tom with the major stock indices flirting with new highs, Commodity Prices have cooled off. An index of a basket of commodities likoil, copr a cattle, is down 4 this month, and off 9 from midseptember. Lincoln ellis is managing partner of Commodity Fund poplar jackson. He joins us from chicago. Lincoln, if its sector, asset class of commodities, or something with the individual commodities. Well, its a little bit of both, tom. You know this is the third year that we are in this downdraft in the commodity complex. And it continues to signal a number of different things. And youre right t point ut that its sector specific. Obviously last summer, for instance, we had a huge rally in the grain markets off the back of that drought. And this year when you see energy coming off and the soft markets skochling off, you really are reacting to the fundamental supply demand dynamics in those markets. But lets talk about financial demand. In other words, the easy policy that the Federal Reserve just this week ben bernanke essentially continuing to pledge that policy for cash is going to be easy. And the chinese is trying to stimulate its economy. So you would think between all the money out there, and demand maybe overseas picking up we would see a pickup in price, why not. Well, theres a couple factors going on. Even in the gdp print you continue to see that u. S. Consumer, consumptive demand continues to be rather weak, particularly relative to as you set it up here, high levels of equity prices. So the underlying fundamentals for a large part of the commodity market, not only in the advanced economies like the u. S. And europe where consumption takes place, but also in terms of the emergi economies where a t of our production takes place, we continue to see weakness across the sectors. And thats why you have seen commodities really not been able to get out of bed for the last three years. Speaking of production, were seeing a lot of u. S. Energy production come online. Oil prices down from 98 dollars a barrel, around just valentines day earlier this month, below 92. Do you think the fall continues sm. Well, i think there is potential further downside there in the Energy Markets and the oil market in particular you have to remember there is probably somewhere between a 10 and 15 dollar terror premium in that market as well. And as we continue to move through both the sequester issues, and the Federal Reserve treasury borrowing issues midsummer there are so many unknown, and so many headwinds that could continue to depress demand, that oil really could slip back into the 80s. Okay, so you mentioned that, on the flip side then you have got gold which traditionally benefits from so much uncertainty. It was 1800 an ounce in october, below 1600 ounce tonight. Is the bottom in . Its a good question, tom. Im not quite clear sure where the bottom going to be for gold. Gold has really become a corollary to the u. S. Dollar it has become much more highly coreheated to that price move and we saw that again this afternoon with the dollar moving higher, gold prices moving lower t seems to us that the dollar is more of the safety trade in turmoil driven markets. And that gold perhaps may be searching for a floor and perhaps for the near term, remember we have gold prices up 11 or 12 years in a row. Right. We may have a top in here in gold going forward. So would you stay away from gold all together . We have been advising clients away from gold. We think gold probably ends right where it is right now, down about 5 or 6 on the year. Leave it there. The world of commodities from chicago tonight. Lincoln ellis with poplar jackson. Also week a state review showed that the city of was head ford a major financial emergency, with billions of dollars in debt. It rommeed that Governor Snyder install an emergency manager to run detroits finances. So what happened to this once vibrant city . Tens of thousands of residents left detroit as the Auto Industry crumbled back in the 1980s and 90s, and tom, no matter what the governor decides tomorrow, detroit will have ten days to appeal. Tom and it comes right as the u. S. Auto industry is getting its wheels underneath it again after the great recession. Lets get going with tonights market focus. After making a run at new multi year highs, the stock indices saw buyers disappear late today. The s p 500 looked to build up its gains from the previous two sessions. But the gains disappeared in the final 90 minutes. The selling picked up momentum in the final moments of the day for the index to finish down by a fraction. Volume remained on the light side. 1 billion shares on the big board. 2 billion traded on the nasdaq. Stock sectors made small moves. The best was the 0. 2 of an increase for the utility index. Technology was the weakest, down by 0. 2 . Grupon was in focus throughout the d, and into extended hours trading. After the closing bell, c. E. O. Andrew mason announced he was fired from the company he helped found. His exit comes after a series of challenges, including the most recent quarter. Shares lost almost a quarter of their value during the regular session after groupon lost money in the last quarter. Profit margins shrank and its outlook was far short of expectations. Then after masons departure was announced, shares were trading around 4. 60 share in the extended hours sessn, small rebound frotodays selloff. Meantime, online Music Service pandora is trying to manage its costs better. The company will limit its free mobile listening service to 40 hours per month. Music royalties per song for pandora are up 9 this year. Shares fell 4. 2 , even though the company predicted the change will affect few of its customers. Retail stocks were in focus after the j. C. Penneys much bigger than expected loss during the holidays. Shares fell hard, down 17 to their lowest closing since december. Volume was five times average. Standard and poors cut j. C. Penneys Credit Rating into junk territory, calling its Fourth Quarter results, extremely weak. But the gap had a strong holiday season. Earnings were up significant from a year earlier, and two Cents Per Share better than estimates. Sales and margins improved. After closing up 1. 3 during the regular session, the stock added another 2. 5 in extended hours trading, putting shares near 34 per share. The Company Raised its quarterly dividend. Book store barnes and noble. Shares gained another 3. 4 puttinghe stockt its highest price since december. While stores saw a better sales mix of higher margin items, revenue was down and sales from its electronic book device the nook fell 26 . Still, shares have continued rallying since the companys chairman proposed buying the companys retail business. Three of the five most active traded Exchange Traded products ended lower, with fractional losses. The short term s p 500 volatility note regained 3 as the broad market waned in the fal ten minutes of trading. And thats tonights market focus. Susie its getting harder susie its getting harder for twentysomethings to keep up with their student loan payments. According to a report from the Federal Reserve bank of n