And lightness, which doesnt mean to say i dont enjoy the buildings that were more solid, but back in team the cathedral were in search of light and lightness. Even though they were made of heavy stone, they stretched the boundaries. Glor politics and architecture when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Glor good evening, im jeff glor filling in for charli. We begin with politics. President trump met with south korean president moon jaein early this morning, discussing the escalation over north Koreas Nuclear program with President Trump declaring the era of strategic patience with north korea has failed. The g8 summit comeswell sessions with moscow over meddling. Joining me is julie hirschfielddavis of the new york times. Also Philip Rucker, White House Bureau chief with the Washington Post. Pleased to welcome both of them back to the program. Julie, let me start with you. How much Common Ground is there with the administration and the new south Korean Administration . The South Koreans are talking about talking and diplomacy and the Trump Administration is ratcheting up the rhetoric. Thats right. I think there is a fair amount of Common Ground in terms on paper, you know, both president moon and President Trump are very concerned with north koreas behavior, with the continuing provocations, and weve heard them both speaking about addressing that in different ways, as you point out, but President Trump is really intensifying his message to the North Koreans and sort of by extension to the chinese who hell also see next week on the sidelines of the g20 really getting a lot more aggressive about his approach to keeling with north korea, and its not clear that president moon is exactly where he is on that. One of the things that President Trump has been disappointed with is the degree to which china has been able to or willing to intervene to try to place its leverage on north korea to change its behavior. In the absence of that, and not clear hes going to get that i think hes getting a little more frustrated about it its not clear where all this rhetoric goes. Hes talking very tough about our patience has run out, but what then happens as a consequence, whether it be on the military front or the economic front . Its not really clear. We saw new sanctions the administration put in place this week. Whether or not that will be successful in changing any behavior is very unclear. Glor philip, is the administration going it alone . If theyre not on the same page with south korea now and dont have chinas support, if the u. S. Wants to push and chinas saying we dont want to, what do they do . Thats the problem, there is not agreement within the region on how to deal with the north korean threat and you see President Trump wanting to escalate. Like julie said, his patience is really running thin. But in south korea, you have a new president , president moon, hes trying to figure out his own relationship with trump and the United States and has been studying the actions of the United States over the last few months ahead of this visit. He wants to get on the same page with the u. S. And theyre not there, but more important for trump is the china relationship, and he spent a lot of time trying to convince president xi and china and his government to step up sanctions and economic pressure on the North Koreans, and theyve so far been unwilling to do that and that has really frustrated the white house. Glor regarding south korea and many other countries the president talked about since assuming office and even before, he did talk about sharing the burden as well and trade deals, that seems to be part of the conversation in a lot of these discussions. Absolutely. He did make the point about burden sharing. He talked about the american troops stationed in south korea, and it wasnt clear what he meant in that context, whether he expects somehow for the South Koreans to be provided some kind of support they havent yet provided. But he actually lectured president moon quite sharply on trade, and it has to be fair and it has to be good for the United States. He really criticized the u. S. Korea trade deal that president Obamas Administration negotiated and that he signed a few years ago, and basically said that, you know, he wanted to see better terms for the United States and it had to be good for the American Worker and thats a message he has been taking around the world and will be taking to the g20 and all these countries where hell meet with leaders on the sidelines but also in the multilateral talks. Were going to hear very tough talk from this president on trade, and its not necessarily a message europe and some of the other countries represented there wants to hear. Glor the g20, obviously an enormous amount of attention and whats about to happen. Thats right, its going to be the meeting of the 20 20 nats and germany hosted by chancellor merkel. Shes hoping to talk about Climate Change and trade, two issues where President Trump is far away from the consensus among the other 19 countries, and so you may end up with a dank where the United States feels somewhat isolated in those talks which could be quite revealing and interesting about the state of geopolitics. But look for merkel, the new french president macron, and some of their allies to really try to increase the pressure on the United States to get back to the table maybe on the paris agreement, the climate accord trump withdraw the United States from a few months ago and also the trade issues. Glor seems like people Pay Attention to the body language of the leaders more than the policy. Absolutely, the hand shakes, the posing for the family photo which is an awkward moment, a lot is read into that. It will be interesting to see if there is a big divide between trump and the other leaders on climate and ifn migration. Will they push the envelope and put him on the spot or make it seem there is Common Ground to seek to make progress on certain issues. That remains to be seen and the body language will be a big tell on that. Of course, everyones looking to see what the body language is like between him and Vladimir Putin when they meet on the sidelines, whether it will be all handshakes and grins or fur road brows as the president takes his first facetoface meeting with putin. Glor what is the white house saying about the meeting with Vladimir Putin . Theyre not saying a lot about the meeting other than to acknowledge it is going to be happening at some point on the sidelines of the g20, but its unclear, for example, how much access there will be for the media to the meeting. Will it be just a quake photo op or will both leaders make public statements and answer questions about the relationship, that would be very revealing. Its also unclear what the topics of the discussion will be. We can imagine they will discuss probably counterterrorism, perhaps the situation inner isia perhaps fighting the Islamic State, which is one area where i think the Trump Administration is eager to find Common Ground with russia, but its unclear, for example, if there is going to be any discussion about the 2016 u. S. Election. Is President Trump going to confront president putin about what the u. S. Intelligence agencies have concluded which is that russia at the direction of putin intervened with the u. S. Election last year with the explicit aim of helping elect donald trump. Glor julie, what are the risks to taking a meeting like this if there are no clear goals in mind necessarily that we know of . Well, its a very risky meeting. Its a meeting that President Trump really has to have. This is the president of russia. Its actually quite late in the game even in the first year of a presidency for him to be meeting with Vladimir Putin, but if he goes in there without an agenda, which is what the white house sort of indicated when they briefed reporters about this trip and confirmed the meeting was happening, that is a huge risk for him and the United States because you can bet Vladimir Putin coming in with a big agenda of his own, including he wants to see the sanctions that have been imposed on russia for the seizure of crimea, the interference in ukraine and the meddling in the elections lifted and that he wants to seek Common Grounds and cooperation in some of the areas including syria that phil mentioned in mighting i. S. I. S. , but what is he in fighting i. S. I. S. , but what is he prepared to give in return . If its not clear what the United States is seeking or what points we want to make, what points donald trump needs to make with regard to election meddling both here and abroad, then he could come away looking like he was had or he was naive and putin will get a friendly looking meeting and he will get no sort of tangible benefits in return and, of course, that would underscore the narrative that he is too cozy with putin, that he is somehow beholden to him, which is damaging given the investigations going on about the election. Glor but thats part of the president s m. O. , his confidence and ability to operate on the fly, that he could potentially enter this meeting and figure it out as things go along. Thats right, and what julie said is absolutely correct, that this is really risky because, in part, you know, trump may be in there improvising. Putins not going to improvise. Putin comes in these things with a strategy. Hes a very focused leader. Hes a former k. G. B. Officer. Hes going to say exactly what hes prepared to say and nothing more and nothing less. It may be that he has trump on the spot and up against the wall and trump starts saying things that the u. S. Is not comfortable with him saying. You know, i dont know what will happen exactly but there is a lot of risk here. Another thing to look for is whether this is going to be a meeting where its really just the two president s and maybe a couple of aides or will it be a more formal bilateral meeting where there will be a delegation of counts of six and maybe two people flanking the president and help balancing whats said in the discussion. Glor do we know how National Security advisor general mcmaster figures in all this . Well, hes certainly advising the president on how to play this, whether or not the president is going to take that guidance and the talking points that i am positive general mcmaster and his staff are drafting for him is another matter. We know that general mcmaster is, you know, as concerned as general mattis and secretary tillerson have said they are about russias behavior. Theres a desire to, you know, project a lot of toughness and a lot of determination to see russia change its case, but there is also, you know, i think general mcmaster is very keen to see to help President Trump explore these possible areas of cooperation, and the question is how does he approach the discussion about that so that he is seen as actually, you know, achieving something in a sh rude way rather than giving concessions to somebody who has, you know, engaged in a lot of conduct around the world and in the United States, that theyre very uncomfortable with. So, philip go ahead. I was just going to say, one thing to point out is trump will be meeting with president putin with a lot of domestic political pressure on him back in the u. S. Certainly all the democrats are going to want and expect he be very tough on president putin, but a number of republican senators, key republican senators are going to expect the same. John mccain, lindsey graham, even marco rubio. I think there is an expectation and there is going to be pressure on trump to be tough with president putin and to confront him about what russia did in the u. S. Election in trying to undermine the democracy here. Glor if the u. S. Is offering or seeking concessions in this russian meeting, what might they be, julie . Seeking concessions from russia, what thaip talked about wanting to do is establish a channel to potentially cooperate to reach some sort of a settlement or some sort of resolution to the situation. In ukraine, theres been talk of the naming of a special envoy for ukraine and potentially getting the United States and ukraine and russia at the table to talk about potential solutions to deescalate the situation there. Of course, whether or not they can make any advances on syria i think the idea of sort of a Peace Agreement in the same way john kerry was talking about last year and previously is sort of off the table, but whether they can take the temperature down a bit and do a better job of cooperating in efforts against the Islamic State is an open question. I think theyd want to explore that. The big question for the United States, of course, and for President Trump is whether he would want to or seek to actually ease or lift the sanctions that are on russia as a result of whats happening in ukraine and the elections as well, and congress has weighed in pretty fofer forcefully to cy the sanctions and make it impossible for topt unilaterally lift them without congress. The house hasnt acted on that which creates a dynamic for the meeting which is interesting because if trump were shrewd about this, he could argue to putin, look, i need to show my congress ive got something from you if you want me to get the power to ease sanctions in exchange for your better behavior. Glor philip youve talked about bipartisan pressure when it comes to russia and putin and there is bipartisan pressure on the president over his use of social media, specifically twitter. Is the administration anxious to turn the page and focus on g20 or are they all too interested in continuing to have the media discussion . Ates bit of a mixed answer. I know the white house officials believe the media discussion has been sort of a net win for them. Its galvanized their base, presented the president as a victim of the establishment, of entrenched media interests that are out to get and undermine him, and as far as it energizes his supporters this the country and gives them the common enemy, thats politically advantageous. But the tweets about mika bra zen ski and the crude nature of that bothered the people in the white house. Theyre eager to talk about some of the items observe his agenda and feel like they had a good week early in the week lambasting the fake news media. They had three resignations at cnn they saw internally in the white house as a real victory for them and they would like to be focusing on that and also be focusing on healthcare, and this is energy week, after all, and there is been very lilt attention on energy, but thats the theme week for this week, and they want to kind of move beyond mike abee abra abra zen d that discussion. Glor what is the message the white house wants to get across . Absolutely. I mean, this is the third week in the a row where theyve had a themed week. It was infrastructure, technology, now energy week. There is so little talk of the subject at hand. The media is partially responsible for that but the president is the person getting in the way of his own message with these tweets and other fights and the focus on an adversarial relationship with the media. Its tough to get the band width to cover what they say is the subject of the day. Weve heard the president talk about Energy Independence and the need to lift regulation and expand the development of energy in the United States. Hes talked about bringing mining jobs back and how beautiful coal is and this is a consistent message that were going to continue to hear from him. Hes going to talk a lot about energy and have the chance to when he goes abroad because hes going to warsaw on his way to g20. They got their first shipment of american liquid natural gas earlier this month, so thats something hell tout, the fact that the United States is exporting natural gas and how great that is for the country. But i to the that, you know but i do think that a lot of that will get lost in talk of the rest of the co controversies hes sparked on media which is can they get him reigned in in time for this trip. Glor he talks about the l. G. Deals. Yes and he talks more broadly, he wants to be seen as a dealmaker and someone who creates opportunities in the United States, the exporting energy and other business compeanuts out around the world, really. But, you know, they want to focus on policy and there is very little actual policy being produced by