Prideaux u. S. Editor of the economist about his report titled trumps america. In 20, 30, 40s areas time, people will be saying about the trump presidency, how did that happen. And one way to answer that is to look at the campaign, campaign staff, the tweets, what is happening in the white house, what is happening on capitol hill. There is an entirely different way of looking at it which is kind of the bottom up position. What did Trump Supporters think they were getting out of this deal. What, if anything, could he do that might upset them and turn them off him. And really where is the kind of limits of their support for him. We conclude with the director and two stars of the film the little hours. Theyre girls and women that were kind of forced, you know, into being nuns back in that day. Not everyone that was a nun was religious. So they definitely have a lot of pent up aggression for those reasons. Politics, trumps america and qult the little hours when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following bank of america, life better connected. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Good evening, charlie is traveling. Im allison stewart. We begin this evening with politics and another eventful week washington. The Supreme Court upheld portions of President Trumps travel ban on monday. The justices agreeing to hear the full case in october. On tuesday Mitch Mcconnell withdrew the Senates Health care legislation following growing opposition among conservative party leaders. Earlier today the white house confirmed that President Trump will meet with russian president Vladimir Putin next week at the g20 summit in germany. Joining me from washington is shan on pettypiece, a White House Correspondent for bloomberg news, a lot went on. Lets get to the travel ban. The state department issued new guide lines to embassies and consulates for people who are applying to come to the United States from six predominantly muslim countries. What are the guide lines saying . Essentially what the Supreme Court said was that if you had some sort of connection to the United States, you could be allowed to come into the country if you were from were from one of these banned countries. What a connection means, was sort of where the confusion lied and where the interpretation was. The state Department Said basically if you have a close relative, a father, a mother, a son, an inlaw, you could come to the country under, despite this ban being in place. Other people though, even people with distant relatives, that wasnt going to be enough to get you in the country. Who is going to make this determination when the person comes to the country, when the person applies for a visa, when is it going to happen. The determination is basically going to be done by the administration, by the state department, by Customs Border patrol and homeland security. So its gone through the legal process. It will be difficult to challenge it from a lower court because you do have that Supreme Court ruling. So now it is up to the administration and that is the guide lines issued today by the state department were saying. The first time this issue came up civil rights attorneys flooded the airports preparing to help people as they land. What are groups like the aclu and civil rights organizations saying about this . The prediction is where that was sort of a fast trainwreck, this will more be like a slow motion trainwreck. That there will likely continue to be individual cases that get contested, that get disputed, that play out in the courts. Not a sort of broad challenge like we saw in the courts earlier, maybe more on an individual case by case basis. Lets go on to President Trumps tweet today. There is one tweet in particular which a lot of people have been talking about. And a lot of people have condemned it was a very personal and abrasive tweet against journalist Mika Brzezinski from msnbc, who i have to say is someone i know. Both democrats and republicans have been critical of this tweet. Which doesnt often happen to the president currently. Did he cross some line with the republicans who have been supporting him . After all of the pleas from republicans to dial back the tweets, which has been going on for months now, even the president s Close Friends have been privately encouraging him to dial back the tweets, he just leaned in to the, you know, across the line tweets even further with a personal attack on someone, that fits right in the vein of cyberbullying, and essentially saying, if you attack me, or if you disagree with me, i will come out and very personally attack you, in your most sensitive places on twitter. And make it a public feud. It comes at a time when yesterday we were talking about could republicans and democrats come together in trying to get everybody to unite for a healthcare bill because we have real problems in this country with health care. That was the talk yesterday. And today, you know, complete division. You know, dem kralts democrats moving even further away from the president , if they thought for a second they were going to try and work with them, it completely repels them, republicans and members of the president s own party also coming out saying stop, this is unacceptable. This is not reflective of what the president of the United States should be saying. Mr. Trump has said some abrasive and aggressive things before and people have suspected that he mile back down. But he hasnt. And sometimes it is even buoyed him with his base. How has the base reacted so far . In surveys, it is usually around 20 or 30 of people say they like the president s tweets. That he should keep tweeting, that they are okay with it. The vast majority of americans, 60, 70 percent would like to see him stop, or not stop completely but dial it back. Bring it into the president ial realm. However, as i have talked to people close to the president about this, they do feel that there is this sense, as you mentioned, he has to show to the base that he is still the guy you elected. That you didnt send him to washington and he became a swamp creature and changed and started putting out these politically correct tweets. He feels like he feeds to maintain who he is and that awe then tissity and he cant do that pivot and shift because it would alienate his base and supporters. And he hasnt really seen any negative repercussions from these tweets. He did this for years. He is president. You know, maybe you could say it has hurt his agenda show by creating distractions but its also hard to prove that. So where is the negative, reinforce reinforcement to tell him to stop. Lets move to next week. Will meet with Vladimir Putin at the g20 summit in germany. Do we know what will be on the agenda . We dont. But this would be a prime moment to bring up russian interference in our elections and the cyberhacking and attacks that russia has been carrying out in the United States. There is a desperate hope from the Foreign Policy community in the u. S. , from members of congress that the president will take this opportunity to say to putin, as president obama said in his last meeting, knock it off, to send a strong signal that trying to interfere in our selections is not acceptable. We dont know if the president is going to go that far and say that. Because he has shown hesitation about making a big issue about russian interference in his election and the feeling, those close to the president say is that he is concerned it will undermine his presidency if he really acknowledges that russians played a role in influencing the election. Collusion aside. But just with, you know, fake news and you know tweet bots and all of that, that that sort of interference by the russians could be enough to rattle or delegitimize his presidency a bit. That is the concern. There has been some reporting that President Trump has reportedly tasked the National Security council to come up with some bargaining chip, something that he can bring to this meeting to use. What would Something Like that be . One could be syria. One, really, you know, there is this desire to try and strike a deal in syria. So if we can work out a deal in syria, maybe it could say well, well ease off sanctions which congress and the senate are working hard to strengthen sanctions and not make that happen. So one could be to ease off sanctions, to tell russia well state out of your human rights. Well give you some leverage to do what you want in your own country and wont go after you there. That is something, a message that he has kind of signaled to other countries saying well layoff human rights. We wont make a big issue of that publicly. Give us a little bit bit of something else. There has been some reporting that the president of the United States and nse maybe arent necessarily on the same page when it comes to confessions, what does each side think and where dont they agree . Theres constant people on different sides and pages of this administration, within nse which is a very Diverse Group of people, state department with rex tillerson, hes butted heads with the president and the white house recently. And of course other members of congress all have their own views on Foreign Policy. So this white house by design, there is a lot of diverse opinions in there. Gary cohen on the economic side is really a democrat. Jared kushner really leans to the left. And of course you have the steve bannon nationalists ideology. You have generals who, you know, like general mattis who, you know, come from a perspective, from the military. So there is always butting heads, there is always conflict. Of course at the end of the day it is trump, as president who will make this final decision and it is going to be up to him. How important is next week . The meeting between putin and trump . I think that i think that week is going to be crucial because this russia cyberthreat is real. Not only in interfering in our elections but in hacking other aspects of the american infrastructure. There are threats of hacks on the banking system, on the electric grid. So that is a very real threat there. Obviously there is a threat from russia on, after the invasion of crimea and further expansionary visions that the russians might have. Its also crucial too, as relations go with nato and with other european leaders, at the g7 meeting, the president s last trip, there were some sense moments between germany and france and mato members and the president. So this is a chance to repair and rebuild some of those relationships and encourage nato and europe that you have a strong ally in the u. S. Who is going to be there and defend you against a potential threat from a country like russia. Correspondent Shannon Pettypiece reporting from washington for bloomberg news, thank you so much. Thank you. Donald trumps victory in the 2016 election took some of the nation by surprise. His support from palm beach to kansas has remained largely unwaivering despite the issues that have so far plagued the administration. A new special report in the economist, trumps america, examines the forces that lead to the president s rise and why politics may be forever changed. John prideaux a u. S. Editor of the economist is also the reports lead author and spent several weeks in states across the country to better understand the mentality of the president s sted fast backing. Im pleased to welcome him to this program. Hi, john. Hi, allison. What prompted this . I was interested in looking at the trump phenomenon from the kind of bottom up rather than the top down. It really feels to me like in 20, 30, 40 years time people will be saying about the trump presidency, how did that happen. And there is one way of answering that which is to look at the campaign, the campaign staff, the tweets, you know, what is happening in the white house, what is happening on capitol hill. And there is an entirely different way of looking at it which is the bottom up question. What did Trump Supporters think they were getting out of this deal. What, if anything, could he do that might upset them and turn them off him. And really where is the kind of limits of their support for him. How did you decide where to go and to whom to speak. I try to get a mix of places, so when we talk about the trump phenomenon in politics, the kind of first thing that springs to mind is down scale voters in perhaps West Virginia, the appalacha that used to have lots of coal and now dont. He did do well in those places. He also did really, really well in some very fancy upscale parts of new york and in parts of manhattan, not too far from where we are filming this. Bits of palm beach, maralago. The thing that really struck me is that if you talk it trump voters in these very dimp locals, what they say about the president is actually very similar. They say, you know, he is a businessman, hes not a typical politician. You know, he is a good man. The media is being tough on him. You all need to give him more time to do what he wants to do. The whole russia investigation is made up. Et cetera. And so that kind of consistency of worldview prompted a question for me which is well, if people arent voting on kind of pocket book issues, they are not really voting on economics, it seems to me, what are they voting on. Well, what is his appeal. You kind of come to the conclusion that it is his appeal. What is it . I think thats right. I think that he has pioneered a kind of white identity politics. The minute you come out with a phrase like that, it sounds like you are accusing Trump Supporters of being racist, this is not what i am trying to do i think america has become a much less racist country over the past few decades. You look at support for interracial marriage and polling, i think there is a ton of progress am but at the same time, you know, politics has become if anything even more sort of racialized. If you look at some of the surveys of trump voters, particularly, there is this big study, the American NationalElection Study which is done every president ial year. If you look at that, a large majority of people who voted for donald trump say that whites in america need to Work Together in order to under do laws that are unfair to other whites. If that is not a kind of white identity politics, i dont know what is. That is an interesting phrase, laws that are unfair to whites, what falls under that category. I imagine it would be things like affirmative action, a few other federal programs like this. But this is consistent with what quite a lot of socialiol guest researchers have found in parts of rural america, and strangers in their own land found this sense of kind of mourning on the part of some white rural americans for a sort of time that is lost. A time when sort of men were on top where it seemed easier to come out of high school and go straight into a job which you were then secure for life, and you know, you could afford a car, family holidays and all those sorts of things. And so trump clearly taps into that. But as i say, if you pick that as the limits of trump support, you miss this whole kind of upscale trump voting phenomenon which to me is kind of as interesting. One of the things about the racial issue as you described it White Nationalist politics, if you get a group of people of color together they will say oh, thats always been there. Its just that there has now, someone, a leader saying it is okay to express that. That this is not something that is necessarily gone away or gotten better but for awhile it was something that you werent allowed to express out loud. When you spoke to people, did you get any sense that they were willing to talk about brown people and black people in a different way . So people who i ask this question to directly will, a little bit defensive. Often they went out of the way to make the point of how they personally didnt hold racist views and so forth. But i had a really interesting experience along these lines am i was in a town called coleman which is in northern alabama and it is a largely white town, it was founded by descendants of german immigrants. And almost everyone there votedded for donald trump. I was talking to the mayor of coleman and talking to him about this. I said listen, how much of this is about race. He said it really doesnt have anything to do with race. There is this town nearby here called colonnee which is entirely africanamerican, and all the folks there voted for donald trump too. So i thought hang on. When you heard that. I got straight in my car and headed down the road to kol knee. Good reporter. And colony was fascinating because it was a little town founded after reconstruction at a time when some freed slaves were able to get 40 acres and a mule. Not that many people got that deal but some did. And so the settlement had been there since the late 19th century. And it is and an entirely africanamerican sort of small town alabama place. Irwent around there talking to people about how they view politics. And they also agreed that race was much less of a problem in america. You know, some of them had memories of schools being desegregated and so forth. Some of the old folks i talked to there. But i looked at the voters almost everyone voted for Hillary Clinton there is Something Interesting going on. America has become i think less racist on most objective measures but politics has become, if anything, more racialized. Wha