Schiff, ranking democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, and continuing coverage of Russian Investigation by congress. I have said yes and i still maintain that there is evidence of collusion, but i want people to understand, we are at the very beginning of an investigation, and we need to follow the evidence wherever it leads. Im not prepared to make any conclusis about the strength of the evidence once we conclude our investigation, but there was a good basis for the f. B. I. To begin its investigation, and i think there is a good basis for the t. B. I. To continue its investigation. I think there was a good basis for at a appointment of bob mueller. I dont think any of these steps take place because this is just a suspicion or someones hunch. Rose and we conclude this evening with restaurateur Stephen Starr who just won the James Beard Award. I think ill always feel like an outsider. I feel like im an outsider in general. I always feel like im throwing a party and standing in the corner watching everyone enjoy it. But i feel like i came, conquered and won and that feels very, very good. But that doesnt mean i can sit back. I want to continue. Rose the bombing in manchester, england, testimony on the hill and restaurateur Stephen Starr, when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with terrorism overseas, a deadly suicide bombing at Manchester Arena monday night left 22 dead and more than 50 injured. In the deadliest terrorist attack in print since 2005, when explosives on londons Transit System killed 52. I. S. I. S. Claimed responsibility for the attack which took place at an Ariana Grande concert. Manchester Police Identified the suspected bonder as 22yearold salman abedi, a british citizen. President trump condemned the attack calling the perpetrators tuesday. Here is scott pelley. The Prime Minister in london raised the terrorist threat to critical. Soldiers are being deployed. A makeshift memorial is growing for victims of the uh suicide bombing last night at the Manchester Arena. At least 22 were killed and 59 wounded. An unknown number of others are still unaccounted for. Relatives are pleading for help in locating them. This attack was different. The targets included many Young Children and teenagers attending a concert. Among the dead, saffie rose roussos, just eight years old. Her principal said she will be remembered for her warmth, kindness and creative flair. Georgiana was a huge fan of Ariana Grande. John atkinson was 26, a dancer. His Dance Company described him as an amazingly happy, gentle person. The sunday post the sun posted a photo of the man who took their lives and we have the latest on how it happened. It was an attack not on a crowd of concertgoers but innocents themselves. First a thud, then confusion. Oh, my god then panic. The audience for Ariana Grande is young, often female and sometimes of elementary aifnlgt this was the deliberate targeting of children. An arena for sinful parties i. S. I. S. Called it in their admission of responsibility. We were in the arena and we heard a bomb and. Just really confused. Creaming and crying. The bomber came from a few miles away where police were searching today. A s. W. A. T. Team went into a home of a 22yearold local man police say who was known to them and himself died in the murderous blast he set off. Manchester police chief ian hopkins i can confirm the man suspected of carrying out last nights atrocity is 22yearold salman abedi. However, he has not yet been formally named by the coroner and i wouldnt wish to therefore comment any further about him. A major antiterror investigation is trying to determine whether salman abedi had acted alone as the police first said or whether he had help in planning his attack and building his bomb. Either way this attack was another example of homegrown terror. Police made at least one arrest today of a 23yearold man they said was in connection with the bombing. The bombing had been built to kill and maim, packed with bolts, nuts and nails and left the concertgoers who survived traumatized. What happened is so unreal. It really hits you. Trying to get in contact with everybody. Manchester, a proud workingclass town now joins london and berlin and nice and brussels and madrid and all the other places where innocents have tied in europes current reign of terror. Rose Caroline Hyde joins me of bloomberg television, also ray kelly former new York City Police commissioner. Pleased to have both of them this evening. Caroline, tell us what is the latest we know about the investigation, about the circumstances that happened there. Well, charlie, breaking news of 24 hours, as you mentioned, the worst terrorist atrocities to hit this country. In more than a decade, weve seen the british Prime Minister take a stand and move the Terror Threat in the United Kingdom from a status of severe to critical. The British Public are worried another attack could be imminent. Manchester, more than half a Million People living there, have been having much Police Activity throughout the day. There have been raids, activity to find out whether this was a lone ranger, an individual who was the suicide bomber, or whether there were accomplices. We understand one particular individual, one young male has also been arrested today. So much activity. As we move from severe to critical threat element in the u. K. , well see many more military on the ground, protection of sporting events, like the football, the soccer as you call it, at the arena, rugby at the rein narks were likely to see much more protection going forward. Rose what do we know about the suspect that died . Yes, indeed, it was a suicide bomb, and potentially looks as if it could have been a selfmade mail device. But we know he was britishborn and bred. He came from libyan origin. Looks as though his parents were refugees from libya, but he was born and bred in manchester, a city in the north of england and actually known for itsette lick diversity, for the melting pot it is in terms of ethnicities, more than 150 languages spoken in this one city alone. But we know the Islamic State has taken to saying that this, indeed, was them and, therefore, we wonder whether there has been some sort of indoctrination that went on of this individual, salman abedi, 22 years old. Rose commissioner kelly, thank you for joining us. Good to be with you, charlie. Rose what questions would you be asking tonight of your officers over there, generally when officers from the nypd go there to make sure they can get as much information as possible . Yeah, they have been very welcomed. Theyre right in the command center. So, obviously, we want as much information as possible, as much granular information. Id like to know a lot more about this apedi. The fact the terror level has been raised to critical, the highest level, might indicate this individual was not in fact a lone wolf but somehow tied to another group and that they anticipate his death triggering more attacks. Dont know that, but its interesting that it was raised today, based on what appeared to be at least a lone wolf activity from 3,000 miles away. Rose how does society protect itself from these kinds of attacks . With great difficulty. Intelligence is the key. We had 16 plots on the bloomberg administration. They all were foiled in one way or the other, some the result of luck, others the result of intelligence. Some from n. S. A. , some from informants. So you have to try to drill down, get intelligence as much as possible. Its become much more difficult. Using, you know, apps that encrypt messages, that sort of thing. Theyve upped their game, even the lone wolves have upped their game in terms of what they can learn from the internet. So its gotten increasingly difficult to identify individuals. Rose and you can go to the internet and learn how to make some of these bombs. You can go to the internet like that and find out the readily used material by terrorists and a series of other things. Did that today, went to a web site and it showed, like, five bomb iterations that could be made very easily. So its not a question of learning how to do it. Its there. Its laid out for you in black and white. Rose but with the do you sense now that i. S. I. S. , because of losing the ground, losing the caliphate, used this as its views this as its next target of opportunity, congregations of people in western cities . Last week they put out a video, 44minute video that does exactly that. Because they are apparently about to lose mosul, or pretty soon, they are getting desperate and want a presence and want to be able to impact the world. Thats what this video was all about. Unfortunately, i think were going to see more of this sort of thing as they lose mosul and raqqa is attacked. Rose if i. S. I. S. Takes credit for it, in terms of your experience, when a terrorist organization takes credit, generally are they responsible . In other words do, they take credit for things they dont do a significant part of the time or generally if they take credit, they, in fact, did it. Generally, if they take credit, they did. I. S. I. S. , in particular, has a certain credibility. When they say theyve done something or more likely theyve inspired it now. They claim, you know, theyre inspiring these types of events. Rose homegrown people are better because theyre not known necessarily or dont have contact . Well, this is what the message is, go forth and do whatever you can, you know. Aldenny was a spokesperson for i. S. I. S. Till killed by a drone put out the message, kill the dirty french and the americans, kill them with the rocks, stab them, run them over with your car. This message goes out thousands and thousands times a day over the internet. Thats what some people will respond to and that the what theyre claiming credit for. They are bringing forth that message. Rose caroline, we saw the british Prime Minister make a very eloquent statement and as you suggested calling on the british spirit and condemning this part of the condemnation in this particular case seems that it was so brutal in terms of killing children. They knew exactly where people would be streaming out of this concert which had a lot of young teenage and even younger fans at the exit there. What thats exactly right. Rose speak more to that. I think that is what struck so much to the heart of every britain who has heard about this and every european, every american, everyone around the world. A quarter of those who seemed to have been injured were under 16. Ariana grande is known for her youthful following and fan base. It was largely teenagers, children and their parents that were attending this event and the fact that it occurred just as pink balloons were being lifted off in the arena, you can see the juxtaposition in peoples minds eye of seeing such happiness and entertainment and terror as they run from the door and parents separated from their children and the concern and lack of knowledge of where the children have gone and many separated from their families, so i think it has struck very much to the root of u. K. And this comes as an unnerving time not only as we build toward a general election in the United Kingdom but comes just a couple of months after an attack on westminster itself and this struck many a chord and many a question raised as to why the terrorist threat wasnt raised soon after that attack, that was again a lone wolf driving in his van into the houses of parliament and killing many. Rose what do we know about the bomb itself . Sometimes it can be an identifying mark for who did it. This is where some of the reports become hazy but as we understand there were reports on the ground of those who were caught up in the commotion that there were nails, pieces of shrapnel about the place that made many anticipate this would be a mail bomb of some sort and used by this individual and you can learn how to make it off the internet. There have been clamp downs in the u. K. For any parts and provisions to make the devices but looks as though they can be made and such brutal effect that we have 22 People Killed shows to the difficulty and the pain that this sort of element can inflict. Rose . Its interesting to note Ariana Grande, an american entertainer and at the bataclan in france you had the eagles of death metal, another American Band playing or another american group, so we dont know if that means anything or not but hopefully that will be sorted out as the investigation goes forward. Rose this country has not been immune from these kinds of things. A whole range of different kinds of things. But we have not had that kind of attack we had the attack in orlando, but it seemed to be from a different kind of source. What if we done and what should we expect . Well, i think were doing a pretty good job here. There is a lot of coordination, i think, in europe. People will admit the coordination and information challenge is its not following from country to country as it should. Last september we had a bomb go off in new york city on 23r 23rd street, he wasnt on anybodys radar screen and we were very lucky. I think all things considered, since 9 11, this country has done a pretty good job of protecting itself. Not perfect, but i think we have to basically do more of the same, and it takes a lot of resources to do it. Rose the man who perpetrated this crime, this awful crime was known to police. How much did they know and what did they know . Well, it seems as though there are still many investigations going into this. They know his ethnic origin and where he was brought up. Seems some of the reports came from the united states, the telegraph, the newspaper in the United Kingdom was saying his background was inciting u. S. Sources. So perhaps not much is understood about the background but to be able to raise the severity of the concerns in the u. K. To critical as you were discussing earlier means perhaps this is something that he did not work alone on and perhaps there were accomplices and there were many raids happening within manchester and the city and north of the u. K. And indeed some arrests being made on the back of that. Rose caroline, thanks for joining us. Mr. Kelly, great to see you. Good to see you, charlie. Rose well be right back. Stay with us. Rose we continue with the ongoing congressional russia probe former c. I. A. Director john brennan testified before the House Intelligence Committee today. Brennan said he had come across intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between russian officials and u. S. Persons involved in the Trump Campaign. He described russian efforts to influence the election in trumps favor but could not confirm whether the Trump Campaign knowingly colluded with the kremlin. President trump denied any ties between his campaign and russian officials. Washington reported monday trump asked dan coats and Michael Rogers in march of n. S. A. To publicly deny any evidence of collusion. Joining me adam schiff, ranking democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. Pleased to have him back ton this program. Congressman, thank you for joining us. This has been a day of a lot of news including the president being in israel and including the fact that weve had this awful tragedy in manchester. But let me begin and come back because when the president comes back, this will once again be at the top of the news. What did we learn today from john brennan . Well, we learned from john brennan that he was concerned about the context he saw between russian officials and those associated with the Trump Campaign that he forwarded the information to the f. B. I. For a counterintelligence investigation. He, i think, talked about how alarm bells went off with him when he saw these contacts and it werent that they were just contacts. Of course, there are contacts between russians and americans all the time, but it was happening with the president ial campaign and at a time where he knew the russians were engaged in a brazen effort to influence our election is really i think what concerned him so much. He wasnt able to tell us really anything about what the f. B. I. Investigation led to thereafter, so he couldnt talk about when they follow these leads what evidence they may have uncovered. But he did talk about for the first time the concerns that he had very early on about those contacts. He also talked and i thought this was notable in reference to that white house meeting the president had with the Russian Ambassador and Russian Foreign minister that, yes, there are times we share intelligence with other countries, classified intelligence, including the russians, but its never done impromptu, its done through classified and intelligence channels, thats the protocol because you need to make sure youre protecting sources and he said if that wasnt done here and this was just some kind of spur of the moment statement by the president , thats a real problem because it could dry up sources of information and, considering, charlie, that the issue here was an i. S. I. S. Threat to our aviation, at least thats whats been recorded, any compromise or sources going to that threat is serious indeed. Rose john brennan talked about a visit he made after learning what he