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Is if you can get the disease early, block and tackle it, knock it down, you do it at an early stage we call mild Cognitive Impairment. If you can prevent it from progressing from mild Cognitive Impairment to fullblown alzheimers you can lead an almost normal life at that stage with more hope than weve had. Charlie with mike mullen and the effort to do something about alzheimers when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Charlie admiral mike mullen is here and retired in 2011 after serving four years as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. It made him the top military adviser to president bush and obama during the wars in afghanistan and teaches and has been a frequent guest on the program and im pleased to have him back at this table. Welcome. Thank you, charlie. Its good to be back. Charlie so what are you doing since retirement . A mix of things. On the volunteer side deb and i spend time with vets and their families and its a tough space. We give that voice and try to focus on the charities in support and particular in iraq and afghanistan. You mentioned the teaching which is what i enjoy more than anything else. Im on a couple boards, General Motors and sprint which has been growth for me to learn about how those businesses work. Most particularly ive stayed out of the fray in washington consciously. Although i think im as concerned as whats going on there as anybody else. I dont mean just now but i hav concern about the paralysis, the polarization there and the inability for washington to answer the mail for the American People. Charlie does it need a white knight or Something Else . I worry there are huge challenges that represent being addressed except maybe rhetorically and that were in a bit of a decline. One of the facts that has alarmed me is wages havent increased since the 70s. So people are hurting and we havent figured out how to create opportunities for them. You can talk about the economies. You can talk about the loss of jobs. Its all part of it. I dont think weve invested well enough in their futures when life changes, if you will in the rapidly changing times. I worry that were sort of in a very slow decline and i dont know charlie worried were in a slow decline . Yeah, as a country. Theres a lot of things that need to be addressed. In that regard will we let that continue or will there be some catastrophic event that pulls us out. Out of whom someone i couldnt name now because the leader that the American People say, okay, were going to follow you. Charlie that person you cant imagine who it might be no charlie no one can. I dont see the cod cadre in washington. Charlie theres all kinds of conflict that existed before. President trump isnt the first to feel the press hasnt been fair to him but hes alleged a witch hunt and theres other institutions under attack. The press is under attack itself. Before the last election the changes ongoing there as well. I have no i think we need to continue to change and institutions need to figure out how can evolve to answer the mail for the American People. But ive also come to believe its tough to do this out of washington. Theres few things washington does well. Obviously they provide resources but in the long term i believe its the local community and local community leaders, mayors who make the difference because they have to make decisions which requires options. I listend to an interview a couple months ago from a senior at northeastern liberal college on mpr and asked what are you going to do next which is a natural question. Shes from southwest pennsylvania and said ive been up here in this liberal college and liberal echo chamber and said i have to go home. And southwest pennsylvania is all red. She said i have to go home and find out why my family feels this way. What she was saying to me is we have to start listening. Not just flamethrowing or yelling out of each other but we chambers and listen to the real concerns charlie some of that is eligibility. Im sure thats true but its that piece which we have not been doing for a long time. Charlie you know bob muller . I do. Charlie what do you think of him . Hes a terrific guy. Hes tough, fair, disciplined, focussed and do what has to be done. Charlie no political pressure can be put on him. I dont think hell be impeded either. I get he works for attorney general. You couldnt pick a better guy. Charlie this is not a special commission. Its an independent council. I have a lot of faith in bob and i think hell be able to get to the bottom of it. Whatever that is and hell answer that question and other get generated once the investigation starts. Charlie did you know james comey . I didnt. I just knew of him and thought highly of him. Certainly his reputation was superb. The first time i focussed on him was in the Bush Administration taking on the issue of torture and famously went over to the attorney general ashcrofts hospital bed to intervene. But thats james comey. Thats been his reputation throughout. Charlie the white house was interesting to get him to sign something and he said no. He camped out to make sure it wouldnt happen. Charlie thats the question we have today whether anybody can say no to the president and this is a clear question, nobody knows who can say no to the president. And rightfully so its to the most power. In the world and you close the door and give the president frank advice and telling the president where hes wrong very tough. Every president needs somebody to do that. Charlie its tough because what . Its always tough it tell the boss, whoever the boss is he or she is wrong. Its that much more difficulty because of the graphity gravity of the issue and its the president of the United States. Charlie has social media changed us all . Its changing us and moving more quickly. We can argue whether its good or bad. Charlie let me talk about places around the world. The state of our union, how you just said we have a terrible problem, we may be on decline because of our institutions arent recognizing a basic problem. People in the middle class are falling behind. The people who pay their taxes and fight the wars arent participating in the american dream. They dont see it. Havent been overseas to look at countries with a bulging young generation who make decisions whether they become productive or not when they dont choose a productive path you dont have hope. Its here with the inequality piece and leaders have to create not just rhetoric but hope. Thats a worry. One of the things ive talked about for years is whats the number one threat to the country. Ive said for years our debt. That issue which is 20 trillion and doubled in the last several years, how are we going pay our bills . How are we going to invest whether its in education or infrastructure in a way that makes us a better country and provides the future we think needs to be fixed and our Education System which we need to invest in. You can talk about Charter Schools in the world and many are good but you cant scale that. If we dont get at that we very much will be we have a mediocre future. And those things are happening quickly. Those are a couple of the things out there. The totality hasnt been happening. Charlie this was the criticism in the administration they couldnt find between the speaker of the house they both had their own political to me it became about them and the power and seemed almost personal in many cases oppose to what we need to do for the American People. The place to function has to compromise. Theres been precious little of that. Charlie why is that . Its hard for me to know. This didnt happen overnight. Weve been evolving this way a couple decades. The part is they dont know each other. They dont live there anymore. Their families dont know each other. Theyre kept apart from their own leadership. That personal relationship isnt there. We talked about the criticality of relationships and if youre in your own echo neighbor charlie and you only watch the media feeds your thoughts. Thats the big part as well. Charlie the president s off to saudi arabia. Whats he hope to compromise . Establish a relationship with the king and the leadership. The deputy crown prince as well as the crown prince. Within those two lies the future of saudi arabia. While they still have a lot of oil the previous king start to look to a future that didnt depend on that. Charlie other economic resources. Right. Can we help in that regard and still in respect to the country and not the leadership part of the saudis that sponsor terrorism. Charlie do those countries have the same confidence in us they did . I think theyll be delighted with the president visiting this time. Charlie his first person visit. My friends in that part of the world said wheres the United States gone . We drew back over the course of the last several years. Charlie arent you criticizing your former boss . Im saying what we did and thats a fact. Theres an opportunity for the president to engage. Theres a concern charlie most the sunni countries. As well as israel. Im struck hes going to the three religious centers of the world. And hopefully will be able to meet the concerns of the future. Theyre clearly getting along much better than they ever have before. It used to be the first question was what are you doing about the wars. Charlie and this president s had the palestinians to the white house. He has. Charlie and theyve opened up or as the some evidence of verbal change. One of the interesting things with the Palestinian Organization what led them as a terrorist organization has become a Political Organization and how good are they at that. We talked in the morning show about china and north korea. There does seem to be a dialog going with china whatever the nature is. Agreed. The president made china a big target during the campaign but since then spent a weekend at maralago with the chinese president and talked about trade and said ill be less demanding if you help us with north korea. I met with a group of senior chinese think tankers after the president s visit. They were happy with it. Charlie they said the president listened to xi jingping and the history of the region. You dont know where this is going to go but clearly and there is a reality for a new president. Theres a leavening of that to some degree and i think the two biggest economies in the world will have to figure out how to get along and constructively support each other in the future. China has a daunting future plan that i would argue doesnt include the United States. Charlie whats that plan . I think its economic. Charlie a fiveyear plan. I think its longer than that but theyre growing their parliament to a much more significant capability in the future. Charlie for a forward projecting of power. The kind of global reach theyve watched us over the last 67 years and a kind of investment and dominance. Theyre investing in one road to come from china literally from istanbul to europe. They have a plan. Whats our strategy with respect to that . How do we address that . Charlie thats what they say about the United States in terms of criticism, whats the strategy. Whats the strategy, whats the strategy. I think its a legitimate question, charlie. Charlie wheres our longterm thinking . And we dont do it very well. People say we havent had one in a long time thats not a good excuse. Charlie and with have some people in the economic sphere doing better than anybody in the world. You mean American People . Some of them are. Charlie i mean in terms of competing. Charlie the president are not being spread out the way they shut and what happens is in a particular product area and all of a sudden it turns out companies are matching that and they have a consumption model over there of 3 or 4 billion people there able to create a consumer demand. Right. So were critical for their markets right now as their largest consumer. What happens when thats no longer as big as it is . When they are the consumers and were in a significant minority . I think we have a period of time here where we need to develop wring out or relationship and our strategy and what are our interests and what would we protect and go to war for. I think i mentioned the book on the city trap. Its do china and u. S. Have to get in fight. He studied 12 different examples and out sorry, 16, out of the 16, 12 went to war. We cant afford to have that happen. Charlie whats interesting is i went two years ago and would have gone back if not for the surgery to the forum and there was henry kissinger, that was the very subject would it be inevitable between what we have seen between a rising power. Would they be able to find some kind of terms of an agreement that does include military. Its a real healthy question to ask and answer correctly. We need to make sure that doesnt happen. I mentioned im on the board of General Motors and we had a meeting in shanghai and i hadnt been there in years and its eyewatering i went into a gm auto plant built in two years and it was spotless and fully automated. We got a bunch of briefs on it but i walked out theyre generating highquality vehicles, four types of vehicles on the production line and i walked out of there thinking, theyre coming. Charlie a lot of people i know worry about north korea and you as a military person have thought about it and looked at the options we have. Other people i know believe theyre closer than the consensus might be. Im hugely concerned about that. I dont have any information to indicate that it will in the next year or two. If you look at the number of People Killed in his regime its vastly more than his father did and the missile tests its vastly more and his development is vastly more than his dad. Everything is at a higher pace. Hes a really bad guy. Hes lethal and has a legacy to uphold and almost more than any leader in the world he would be inclined to pull that Nuclear Trigger without giving it much thought. Charlie even knowing he would not survive . I really do. If he thought in particular he were in jeopardy i think he would. Charlie that raises the interesting question to me, does he genuinely believe we may attack him. Does he live that as a reasonable fear in his own assessment . Thats what theyve been saying for decades as you know. I dont have any indication he wouldnt believe that and has to prepare for that. This is his only path. His is his ticket to the dance. Hes got to be very focussed on that. Obviously he is. I think if we get to a point where he can put a Nuclear Weapon on top of an icbm and hit the United States thats a point too far. We cant let him get there. Its china, its japan, its russia and the leadership of the world that has to put enough pressure on this guy, one way or another whatever the path is to make sure that didnt happen. Charlie i dont understand what the pressure is going to do that hasnt already done. Thats why its such a difficult problem. Charlie what could we do militarily if we wanted to putting aside of the consequences of what they may do in term of south korea and their large army. What could we do if we wanted to . We did a study last year and we sort of walked our way from negotiations to get a point where if all of that fails we could preemptively start attacking his sites. We has deep targets but we can start showing him literally how serious we are in that regard. Would that make had him respond . Its hard to know and why its a difficult problem and need to solve it from a negotiation standpoint. And i think President Trump moved president xi in common. Ive seen more movement visibly in terms of how chinas responded. Whether in fact they do something in execution is key. Charlie terrorism. Theyre clearly making progress in mosul and raqqah in terms of land and reducing the size much their caliphate but weve also seen an uptick in terrorist attacks. I think thats a problem even as you get the land back. This is the franchising and inspiration that comes from whether its alqaeda or isis and isis in particular. Its not going to go away. I think it can be contained and we need to continue our focus. I dont think its existential to the country and fundamentally changes our way of life. At the same time its a priority i think we have to Pay Attention to. In particularly as the focus and im not a big fan of president putin but one thing ive talked to the russians about for years is theyre really concerned about terrorism. They have a focus on that. I think we can have a meaningful long term discussion so syria doesnt become the terrorism headquarters of the world. Charlie thank you for coming. Good to see you. Charlie back in a moment. Stay with us. Charlie the alzheimers center was founded in 2007 and treats those who suffer from the disease. The goal is to improve the quality of life for every patient and eventually prevent alzheimers. Jim nantz is a fivetime National Sportscaster of the year and lost his father to alzheimers in 2008 and made it a lifes mission to advance research and care giving to those who suffer from the disease. Joining me are two physicians leading the way to treat alzheimers, dr. Stanley appel and dr. Joseph masdeu and theyre also professors of neurology at cornell. Im proud to have them at this table especially my good friend jim nantz. This is a mission for you. It is. Charlie tell me how you became committed, determined. Thank you for having us on and on this journey. Weve shared a lot about this through the years. My dad had a long dreadful battle, 13 years against alzheimers. I wrote a book called always by my side and i realized there was an audience. They reacted immediately in some ways i think galvanized the alzheimers community. The feedback now ten years down the road still follows me where i go. The book its not one were trying to sell now but people are unfortunately the care giving side can relate to it. I can walk out of a tower or broadcast booth and people are asking me to sign the book and tell a story about a loved one. I realized i was put on the planet to do something more than have the best seat in the house for the final four or the masters. It became something that overtook me. Charlie since the books response gave you an incentive and motivation to go further. It did. It taught me i could communicate with people and the book inspired people. Very relatable to people that unfortunately have been in the abyss of trying to care for an alzheimers victim. I wanted to find a way to use my voice to create positive change. I have my fathers voice. I was never professionally trained. I carry his name. My friends and family know me as jimmy. My dad was jim. When i started in cbs i wanted to sound more mature than a 26yearold kid a few years out of college so i stayed with my professional jim nantz name and dads name and i realized i have my dads voice. I have my dads name. I want my dad to be heard. I want through my platform i want my dad to be an agent to change and ultimatetely cure alzheimers. Ive said it a lot recently. I feel if i dont see by the time i take my last breath positive change in the world of alzheimers then i didnt make the most of my platform. I know my dad would be telling me right now, son, do something with the chance you have. Speak to the nation virtually every week of your life and do something to make the world a better place and thats what drives me. Charlie you have written in the book and in conversation about when you discovered your dad had alzheimers. And how the doctor told you and your mother. That man sitting at this table is dr. Appel. I first met stan in 1985 in my first year at cbs reporting on bob waters who suffered from als. He was the head of neurology at duke medical. He made an impression with me. Now my father all these years later suffers a stroke charlie a mini stroke. One of those t. I. A. S and i took him to doctors here and wasnt happy with the feedback and i thought if i can get him to stan appel. Hes known around the world i wonder if hell take my call and have a chance to put my dad in front of dr. Appel. All those years he remembered me and he diagnosed my father on the spot. My dad was already passed the early onset stage. We had a serious issue. Charlie he told you the challenges you would face. It was devastating. I could hear my mother in an adjoining room she was being counselled at that time by someone from houston medical hospital and my mother was being informed of the diagnose and i can hear her wailing that the family faced a different world for who knew how many years and he faced a 13 year struggle. It just digresses. Charlie and the less recognition of things around him. Exactly. Holding on to faint recognition. Anything you can get. I would open my shows with hello friends. In the snarky world that can be out there in social media people have all kinds of impression of what that means and truly i wrote it in the book, it was a coded message to my father while he still could hold on to a memory. He had nothing but friends in his life and was visiting before i left to broadcast an event i said dad, saturday im coming on the air and im going to say your name and say hello friends. I want you to know im talking to you when i say that so i did it. That night a friend of mine, eli spill. Who i wrote these and he said i heard you say hello friends and whered you come up with that and he said you ought to say that from now on. And i look in the camera and i say hello friends and i think of my father and im relaxed and composed. Its a good feeling. Charlie before we talk about what jim is doing, tell us where we are in terms of the effort. To deal with alzheimers and cure and slow down the impact it has on you . Theres a huge, huge effort being made. Were one of the centers and thanks to jim a very good one. Its a dreadful disease and we see that every day in the people we take care of. You can name any Major Medical institution in this country and abroad and theres researchers there working on alzheimers. We are trying to understand how it develops and how it works and come up with better treatment. Charlie are we seeing more and more . We have 5 million in the country and if we dont do something quickly well jump to 20 million in another 20 or 30 years. Charlie what are we discovering . Wheres the research taking us . I just want to give a big, big picture view of this because from my perspective being in this field or the field of neurology a good number of years, this is the most exciting time this is the time when we have more hope than weve ever had before. Charlie hope to do what . Hope ultimately to cure and slow progression. Doing trials joe can talk to you about. The amazing thing about the hope is if you can get it disease early, block and tackle it, knock it down, you do it at an early stage we call mild cognitive impermanenairment and it from becoming fullblown alzheimers you can lead an almost normal life at the mci stage and thats where we are with more hope than weve had for decades. Charlie mild Cognitive Impairment. Do we have the tools to do that now . To cure it . Charlie no, if we catch it at Cognitive Impairment do we have the tools whether farm pharmacological or what have you. What we have been able to determine and see whats going on in the brain through imaging tools is 10 to 15 years before anybody has problems we see mild Cognitive Impairment when they forget meetings and a little more serious than forgetting their keys. Before that, when a person is completely fine theres already a buildup we can see with brain imaging called positive image tomography and the idea is to use medications and see whether this can prevent the development of the disease where we can push it back 10, 20, 30 years. Its been done. Were looking at medication to reduce amyloid and were hopeful because for the first time we are attacking the problem knowing what the problem is. I think this is the critical difference charlie snow know what charlie know what . The protein amyloid builds up. And theres another protein that can be blocked we feel could be effective and we feel its promising the combinations of these will be the proper way to slow and prevent charlie so the protein that affects the beginning stages of alzheimers. What else dont we know . What dont we know . We dont know how we dont know whether this treatments we are applying are going to work. When the second protein builds up is when the person begins to have problem and forget appointments and its when the person has mild Cognitive Impairment leading to early alzheimers. Thats why reducing amyloid is so critical and were there. Were doing it and well be able to tell you in a few years whether the approach works or not. A few years meaning as few as three years. Charlie what are you doing in the alzheimers center . I talk about virtually every week of my life. Back to what you asked before earlier, what could i do . I wanted to team up with stan. I wanted to go down to houston which has this fabulous Texas Medical Center at houston methodist hospital, worldacclaimed and wanted to bring a firstclass Alzheimers Research institute as well as Clinical Care to the city. Put the project in the hand of the babe ruth of neurology and stan appel and put an allstar team together. Im careful about talking science. Im trying to as someone whos lived through it as a member of the club that lost a parent to alzheimers im out selling hope and not false hope. I believe in these guys and i pick them up and say where are we . Charlie are you funding it or raise money for it . Creating awareness . Both. In the last week alone ive had four alzheimers the last week and a half fundraising events. My weve and i support it as well. Weve done everything from massive fundraising events to make presentations in front of people looking to send grant money down to houston from the department of defense to various other sources. Again, were careful not to approach their world. Theyre the best and im trying to drive it as best i can for people to know were in the fight together. Charlie theres former president bush. Hes had several bouts of pneumonia and highs ready to get back this summer. Im a believer if really prominent people women Start Talking about the loved ones and their disease that amount of awareness is more important than anything else. Charlie why is awareness so important . Because it gives people hope. Wereiucd a great believer thate can translate into meaningful not solution of the disease but at least being able to grapple with some of the problems that develop and it can quiet down disease. The amazing thing is im a big fan of the immune system. Were studying that in alzheimers. The more positive you are and the more you feel theres hope the more you can get there the more the immune system can help you deal with the problem thats developed charlie how much did Ronald Reagan and his forthright announcement do . Tremendous amount. Nancy regan im concerned is a heroine for getting awareness and to the point we can get young people supported to enter the field to help solve the problem. I think it was a game changer, charlie. Lets face it. There was a stigma people. People wouldnt say their loved ones had alzheimers or died from alzheimers charlie or knew what it meant. And were almost embarrassed about it to lay claim to it and be forthright about it. I saw what the reagans did and what Maria Shriver did. I wanted to join that team. I wanted to be a crusader out there too. I hope when people see the on television covering a sporting event think, hey, thats the guy on our team. Hes doing everything he can with a lot of passion and energy making a number of speeches and talks and presentations during the course of the year to steer the proper money and research and funding into the hands of the great experts. Charlie give us a time line. Where do you think we can be five years from now, ten years from now, fifteen years from now realizing all kinds of things can intervene to be a road block or expedite . Postponing the beginning of the disease i think is something well see in the next five years. Were working on whats going on in the brain. Not just systems and people can look similar charlie the cellular component of it . Exactly. The cellular component being able it know whats going on in the brain. I was telling you about the protein tau. Weve been able to see tau only the last three years or since its been the lead identifying this protein with this compound that we have through images. And frankly as the person gets worse it gets worse proportionally to the build up of the brain. We can measure it and tell if a person is Getting Better or worse after we give them the medication. We have something objective were doing testing to know a person is Getting Better or worse. Charlie delaying the impact within five years . Right. Delaying the progression of the disease. I was going to say, its not delaying the impact its laying it the progression which is huge. The other thing thats important and joe is always talking about this were now in an era of personalized medicine. Whats amazing is we can look at neuroimages. We can see the images there and he points out that in one of the early studies against the beta amyloid and the study didnt have that so the study wasnt effective. We can now do that with the imaging and this is one off the most talented guys in the world to help us with neuroimage. We call it a bio marker. Its a marker of the earliest stages of disease even before theres cognitive function you can point to. Charlie weve been doing a series on the brain over the last four, five years with dr. Eric kandel who established the Zuckerman Institute to look at the increased focus on the brain. The response we get from these issues with having people hike this come around this table to talk about depression, to talk about lou gherigs disease and parkinsons thats brain related is amazing and understanding how much is inherited and how much is a factor of how you live your life and that kind of thing. No question. One of the concerns with patient were about helping them with the quality of life not just the length of life, its quality. Its quality that allows us to be husbands, fathers, sons charlie and how much is genetic . Do you have any control over this . You said it it can be changed by the way you live, absolutely. Can i try a different answer to that question because i think how you live is critical. A single gene we used to think was responsible for a large segment of the alzheimers population. 0e turns out its under 5 , 10 , its not a huge number. However, the vast majority is still as genetic as intelligence is in general, as height, as a variety of things the difference it could be 100 genes with susceptibility as well as resistance. The way i hear it is what caused this. The way i put it is the genes load the gun but the environment pulls the trigger. It has to do with environment interacting with resistance. Charlie good ruck good luck to you. If you dont mind i want to talk a little bit of sports with him. You have tony romo. Hell be calling football with us. Charlie howd that happen . He was hurt and dak prescott came up and did pretty well and the question was would he go somewhere else or retire as a dallas cowboy like one of his heroes, Roger Staubach and he can break down a play or explain what the cowboys were trying to do not just the cbs side but virtually every network made a run at him and were thankful hes coming to cbs. Charlie how happy were to you see the masters and see sergio win because of the human drama of it . Ive always taken pleasure when the champion has been labelled as a guy who cant get it done and has everyone filling him with doubt, every press conference and every question has a tinge of doubt and the line of questions. Youve never won a major where are you going to take your career from here. Sergio was the horrible label, best player to never have won a major. For him to face those adversities and when he was 19 years old we thought hed go against tiger and theyd trade major championships. For it to happen a double number of years later, 18 years later to win the masters the way he did was sensational. Augusta has a way of presenting story lines so rich. Remember balsteros would have been celebrating and his countryman would have been 60 years old the day he won the masters tournament. It was a sweet win. Justin rose exhibited tremendous class and sportsmanship in defeat. Charlie they showed that throughout the final round the friendship. Cheering each other on and longtime ryder cup teammates. Charlie they have these people they call runners at the ncaa, you know. Theyre fleet afoot. They serve at the whim of their masters for the broadcasters and they go get them whatever they want. The final was a buzzer beater. They hit shots and luke may hit a shot to win it at the buzzer and went to two onepoint games to onepossession games in the national se semifinals and i was disappointed the final game was called to closely with the whistles and stoppage of play it blocked the flow and i thought it would be a block buster game and if youre a North Carolina fan but i thought it had potential but it kind of got taken away. Charlie of all the sports youve covered sit the final four, is it the masters, is it what . I have three children. I love them all the same. Charlie in me sin Charlie Charlie in medicine they call it a copout. Ive worked with phil sim and he goes in the studio as an analyst and hes excited about that and im happy for him and now tonys coming on board it will be a fun time but the nfl to watch a stadium come it life with 75,000 people just pouring in in front of you, i get there five hours before kickoff and i watch it take on the pulse and im a fan watching it. Theres something really exciting to me about the nfl process and preparation i enjoy maybe as much as if not more than anything. Stand alone one event i wouldnt trade the masters for anything. That tournament with its tradition the same golf course all the other majors rotate around. Everybody comes around springtime to augusta, georgia and if youre like me and have the history cataloged in your head you cant help but think about Arnold Palmer this year. Charlie thank you both for coming. Thank you. Charlie thank you for joining us. See you next time. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. Announcer the following kqed production was produced in high definition. The beef torta was out of this world. I actually dont discriminate against pizza. This is a temple to we couldnt see it, and we couldnt hear it. Right. Whoa im actually in San Francisco . This is amazing [ laughter ] bring me more