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it's hard to believe they spent so much time talking about me and no time talking about jobs or education or healthcare. >> reporter: kaine is a current senator and a popular former governor of virginia, a key swing state, and he was one of clinton's earliest backers, even before she formally announced her candidacy. he explained why, in may of 2014: >> she has the best experience, both domestically and internationally. she has got the accumulated backbone, wisdom, judgment, scar tissue from a long period in public life to be the best president of the united states beginning in 2017. >> reporter: kaine speaks spanish fluently, and recently campaigned with clinton in virginia. he's also familiar with the national stage. then-senator barack obama eyed him as a possible running mate back in 2008. after his election, he named kaine to chair the democratic national committee: >> tim and i share a philosophy. it's a pragmatic, progressive philosophy that was at the heart it's a philosophy that measures the strength of an idea not by whether it's republican or democrat, but whether it can actually solve a problem and make a difference in people's lives. >> reporter: others on clinton's short list, include agriculture secretary tom vilsack, labor secretary tom perez, new jersey senator corey booker, and massachusetts senator elizabeth warren, a leading progressive voice in the party. choosing kaine might rankle supporters of clinton's primary rival, bernie sanders, and so might some of kaine's views. a catholic, he personally opposes abortion but supports roe versus wade with some restrictions. in addition, he supports u.s. trade deals, including nafta, and the trans-pacific partnership. democrats also have to figure out how to hold on to kaine's senate seat, if he becomes vice president. all this comes as republican nominee donald trump wrapped up his party's convention in cleveland. today he thanked organizers and supporters a final time, as he dismissed the democrats' veep selection process, and their own gathering, in philadelphia. >> hillary's trying to pick her vice president as fast as possible, because she wants to take away a little of the success that we had at this convention. nobody is going to watch this next convention coming. who's going to? i'm going to have a hard time watching her final speech. number one, i know her too well. number two, boring. >> reporter: but even with the nomination firmly in hand, trump took on his former opponent, texas senator ted cruz, who pointedly refused to endorse him during his convention speech wednesday. >> i don't want his endorsement. if he gives it, i will not accept it, just so you understand. i will not accept it. it won't matter. honestly, he should've done it because nobody cares and he would've been in better shape for four years from now. >> reporter: trump even suggested he might set up a super pac to oppose any future presidential bid by cruz. in washington, president obama took his own shot, at trump and the tone of the g.o.p. convention. >> the one thing that i think is important to recognize, is this idea that america is somehow on the verge of collapse, this vision of violence and chaos everywhere, doesn't really jibe with the experience of most people. >> reporter: the president is expected to speak in support of hillary clinton at the democratic convention in philadelphia on wednesday. for the pbs newshour, i'm lisa desjardins. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, president obama denied today the u.s. knew in advance about the coup attempt in turkey, or had any involvement. he also said turkey's request to extradite opposition cleric fethullah gulen from the u.s. will go through proper channels. and, he voiced concerns about thousands of turks being arrested, and thousands more being fired from government jobs in a sweeping purge since the failed coup, one week ago. back in this country, former ku klux klan leader david duke announced he's running, as a republican, for the u.s. senate in louisiana. he said the "climate of this country" has moved in his direction, and he elaborated in a video statement: >> i'm overjoyed to see donald trump and most americans embrace most of the issues that i've championed for years. my slogan remains "america first." the time is now. a revolution is coming in the united states of america. >> woodruff: republican leaders quickly announced they'll oppose duke's bid. it comes amid heightened tensions over the police killing of a black man in baton rouge, and a separate attack that killed three officers. the first funeral was held today in baton rouge for one of the officers killed last sunday. hundreds of mourners attended a service for matthew gerald. he had joined the baton rouge force less than a year ago, after 11 years in the military. >> it's hard to say goodbye to a good man, to capture in words, not just the facts and the dates that make a life, but the essential truth of that person. their private joys and sorrows. how much harder to do it for someone who protected and served both with honor and dignity. >> woodruff: funerals for the other two officers will take place tomorrow and monday. federal authorities announced an indictment today, alleging a $1 billion medicare and medicaid fraud scam, in florida. the justice department says it's the largest single health care fraud case, ever, against individual suspects. three men are accused of using 30 nursing homes in miami in the scheme. officials say thousands of patients received un-needed services. north carolina's republican governor fired back today after the nba pulled next year's all- star game from charlotte. the league cited the state's law barring transgender bathrooms and limiting anti-discrimination protections. in raleigh, governor pat mccrory called it the "wrong decision." >> i think it sets a dangerous precedent where a corporation can demand a quid pro quo, and in return for that quid pro quo on legislative policy they will bring their service. and if they don't do it, they will deny their service. >> woodruff: a number of top entertainers, including bruce springsteen, have also canceled appearances in north carolina in recent weeks. and, on wall street today, the dow jones industrial average gained 53 points to close near 18,571. the nasdaq rose 26 points, and the s&p 500 added nearly ten. it was the fourth consecutive winning week for all three indexes, their longest streak since march. still to come on the newshour: the strategy behind hillary clinton's v.p. pick; how the deck is stacked against residents of the mississippi delta; the women and children risking their lives on the mediterranean, and much more. >> woodruff: now, a closer look at the democratic ticket and the strategy behind hilary clinton's potential coming vice presidential pick. we turn to long time democratic consultant hilary rosen, who joins us from philadelphia, site of next week's convention. hilary rosen, welcome. what are your sources and instinct telling you? >> well, my instinct tell me democrats are ready for this convention. there is a big contrast that we're excited to have between the sort of hostile and pessimistic show that the republicans put on this past week in cleveland, and the optimism that democrats are going to feel this week. >> woodruff: and for all the speculation right now, and there's been a lot of it, so much of it seems to be directed at virginia governor -- former governor and now senator tim kaine. what do you think about that? what would be the calculation in a tim kaine choice? >> tim kaine's been governor, senator , member of the foreign relations commit y, knows a lot about domestic policy, fluent spanish speaker. he would be an excellent pick for hillary clinton. he checks a lot of boxes. virginia's a battleground state. one thing that's interesting about this vp selection over the last ten days i've noticed with democrats contrasting with the republicans is democrats are not very sort of hostile or energetic around which one of these top tier candidates hillary clinton picks. i think there is a lot of enthusiasm for her and, frankly, people are giving her leeway to pick the vp that she wants to govern with. >> woodruff: if it were a tim kaine, what would the pluses be for her and what would the liabilities be? >> so he's, you know, a white guy, a little boring. you know, we've talked about latinos. we've talked about other women. we've talked about african-americans. there's a lot of enthusiasm around having a person of color on the ticket or another woman. you know, so that's the down side is that maybe people say, well, is she playing it safe? on the other hand, i think you get in tim kaine a really thoughtful policy leader and somebody who she gets enthusiastic about. so much of this has to be about how hillary clinton feels every day when she wakes up and has a partner in governing. so i think that democrats are going to give her kind of the benefit of the doubt there, and if you're hillary clinton, you want someone you know and feel comfortable with and feel aligned with. >> woodruff: hilary rosen, it's point out she knows tom vilsack, has a closer calculationship with him. why wouldn't tom vilsack make sense? >> you know, this is -- i haven't talked to secretary clinton about. this my view is that -- clinton about this. my view is maybe he's a little old, that he doesn't bring the kind of diverse constituency that a tim kaine brings with his experience in a latino community, and iowa is a smaller state, a battleground state but has fewer electoral votes than virginia does. so if you're going to go for balance, if you're going for the middle of the country, shoot for a bigger state. >> woodruff: hilary rosen, we talked about whether the vice presidential pick makes a difference. how do you see that in this election year run against donald trump? >> you know, i think sort of the polls always say the people vote for the president, not the vice president, but there is something about the vice presidential pick in every presidential campaign because it's kind of the first important decision that these nominees make, and, so, what goes into that decision, what they talk about, how they justify it, the kinds of character they're looking for, that does matter. the fact trump picked mike pence. for someone like me, he's way too conservative, he only appeals to a limited base. on the other hand, it was a solid, safe pick for donald trump. so that says something about him, that he was serious, he wasn't going to play games. i think with hillary clinton, people are looking for, you know, will she govern from -- with solid progressive values but try and appeal to the middle of the country? will she go to independents? can she even get moderate republicans or is she just trying to make a statement pick? i think tim kaine offers a lit of both for hillary clinton. again, it's not going to make people vote or not vote for her, but it will say something about what she's looking for in character. >> woodruff: it will tell us a little more once we know what it is, and everyone's waiting. hilary rosen in philadelphia, thank you so much. >> take care. >> woodruff: while all eyes were on ohio this week, we look now at another cleveland-- this one in the mississippi delta, where poverty and economic mobility are worse than anywhere else in the developed world. this report is part of our series, "how the deck is stacked," funded by the corporation for public broadcasting, and a collaboration from american public media's marketplace, and pbs's frontline and the newshour. ♪ it's all blues thursday >> reporter: the mississippi delta is known for music, and juke joints like this one. and for rich agricultural land. cotton was once the main crop. now, mostly corn. despite how fertile the ground is here, one in five households live below the poverty line, and in fact, mississippi is ranked 50th out of 50 states by poverty rate. 68-year-old katherine wilson has lived here her whole life. >> back then, in the '60s, just like we had to move from home to home we didn't have enough to eat, enough money to survive on. >> reporter: in 1964 president johnson introduced legislation to deal with a national poverty rate that was almost 20%. it became known as "the war on poverty." jobs training, adult education and loans were all part of the plan. in april 1967, senator robert kennedy visited the delta, to have a look for himself at how bad the poverty was. so this is 1967. that's bobby kennedy right there. and is that you right there in the striped dress? >> lord, my goodness. i remember the day he came alright. >> reporter: what did he want to know? what did he ask you about? >> he was asking about what did we want to see done. they said they want jobs and houses. >> reporter: blacks in the delta had historically worked the land, but mechanization and pesticides meant fewer jobs, and less money. >> we've come a long ways since back then. we were so poor and struggling, we didn't have anything. but right now a lot of people have jobs, they couldn't get no jobs back then. >> reporter: catherine wilson lives alone in a place called freedom village, built originally to house those displaced farm workers. peter edelman was an aide to robert kennedy. he was with him on that 1967 trip to the delta. >> he said to me as we went from one house to the next, that this was worse than anything he'd seen in a third world country. >> reporter: marian wright had been working in the delta, opening head start offices to help low income families. she's the one who convinced kennedy to come to mississippi. there is a little bit of romance in this story. marian wright and peter edelman met on that trip to the delta. they have been married for almost 40 years. marian wright edelman went on to create the children's defense fund. catherine wilson, meanwhile, did get some education and training from programs that grew out of the war on poverty. but the economy today isn't the same as then. >> what has happened over the last 40 years is that we've had a major change in our economy. good jobs have gone to technology, to globalization, and the consequence is that half of our population is not earning enough to support their families and a whole lot of them can't find jobs at all. >> reporter: catherine wilson's had a whole series of part time jobs, but she's never made much money and has survived mostly on government assistance. she's on social security now. 22% of the people in mississippi rely on food stamps. >> some things have gotten better. we've got a middle class that wasn't there. >> reporter: but there's still lots missing. >> over 80% of the black children in mississippi cannot read or compute at grade level in 4th or 8th grade. what is a child going to do if they can't read and compute at the most basic levels? >> reporter: in cleveland, those basic levels are determined, in part, by literally what side of the tracks you grew up on. economic mobility, or the lack of it, is plain to see. the unemployment rate for whites is 6%; for african americans it is 22%. >> our goal with this project to promote racial healing in our community. >> reporter: travis calvin runs the delta state university mobile music lab. it's a refurbished school bus outfitted with a complete recording studio. >> i grew up in clarksdale, mississippi-- it's about 30 miles north of here. just like the delta, it's rich in history, rich in the blues, rich in musical culture. but a really bad town when it comes to crime rate. ♪ i feel hope, i see light. >> i came to delta state, and it was my way out and so i feel like its my duty to pay it forward. >> reporter: the program travis runs-- it's called healing with a groove-- focuses on young men of color. guys like 16 year old a'midius sigle: what would your life be like if you hadn't found this? >> i don't know. i'd probably be in a world i don't need to be in. a lot of my friends, they don't do things they don't need to do. that's why i don't hang with some of them. >> reporter: mike carr is from the other side of the tracks. he's a public defender in cleveland. >> it was a really wonderful place to grow up, but, i'm very privileged. i grew up with two parents that were middle class, were educated, that encouraged me. not all kids, though, in this town, have that same deal. no, absolutely not. i spend 70% of my practice dealing with people who are at the bottom of the barrel, in the sense that they have not only just financially absolutely nothing, but emotionally they also have absolutely nothing. >> reporter: nationwide, the wealth gap between white and black households has grown atically since the great recession. according to a report from the pew research center, white households have a net worth 13 times higher than black families do. in cleveland, the median income for a black family is less than half of that of a white family. >> we're still divided, to a certain extent. >> reporter: do you feel it? do you feel it everyday? >> oh yeah. oh yeah. but you can't say nothing about it, you know. >> reporter: life long cleveland resident jimmy williams has owned this soul-food restaurant since 1994, once a meeting spot for civil rights activists and leaders like martin luther king, jr. >> during the civil rights movement, all the people that would come into cleveland would meet here. it was lilly's cafe back then. when you look around today at the young people in this town where do they go when they get out of high school? >> most of them is in the streets. they don't go anywhere and they into drug business because there's no jobs here, and because there is no jobs the education standard is not where it needs to be to entice companies to want to come here. >> reporter: so bobby kennedy comes here in 1967, right, almost 50 years ago. has it been wasted time? >> has been wasted time. >> reporter: catherine wilson is more optimistic. she'd like to see freedom village become a place to help those in need. >> i ain't given up freedom village. i still believe. >> reporter: for the pbs newshour in cleveland, mississippi, this is kai ryssdal. >> woodruff: stay with us. coming up on the newshour: what top executive roger ailes' sudden departure from fox news means for the world of television; and mark shields and david brooks give their take on the donald trump convention, before heading to hilary clinton's. but first, latest figures from "save the children" show that nearly 13,000 children have been rescued so far this year while trying to cross the mediterranean from north africa to italy. of those, more than 11,000 are unaccompanied and under the age of 18. in the second of his reports from the aquarius, a ship run by doctors without borders, or "m.s.f.," and "s.o.s. mediterranean", special correspondent malcolm brabant looks at the plight of women and children on these high seas. >> reporter: this serene night watch on the bridge of the aquarius marked the end of a week when strong winds and high waves had prevented rafts from launching from the libyan coast. but as the sea calmed down, a flotilla left the libyan beaches and this boat was quickly in trouble. >> reporter: initially, rescuers thought this woman wasn't breathing. one day, these babies and toddlers will be told just how close they came to death. they were soaked in petrol from leaking canisters for the outboard engine. mixed with salt water, the fuel causes serious burns. the traffickers' callousness extended to denying the children life jackets. revived, the patient was told to quickly shower the petrol off her skin to avoid burns. >> they're all crying, the children are screaming, the babies, and the women seem quite in shock. > >> reporter: still nauseous from the fumes, mothers, sisters, daughters were too overwhelmed to recognize that after enduring the sahara desert, the anarchy of libya and the capriciousness of the waves, they had just stepped back through the portal of humanity. >> everybody is infested with fuel. the smell of fuel is gigantic. people are suffocating because of the fumes and people are wet. there's no food. there's no water, and the quality of the boat is far below average. so they're lucky. >> reporter: within an hour of being rescued, manuela, a two- year-old who was always dancing on land, is dancing again below deck, testimony to the resilience of children. although too young to understand the nature of their salvation, the kids instinctively responded to the protective atmosphere of the air-conditioned women and children's sanctuary, separated from the men. international relief agencies say they're extremely concerned about the major upswing in the number of children who are making this most perilous of journey. the voyage between turkey and greece is bad enough but this one is many, many, many times worse. among those risking their lives are unaccompanied minors. inside one of the areas behind me are three boys less than 12 years old and because of international child protection procedures, we're not able to talk to them about their ordeal. m.s.f.'s coordinator on the aquarius ferry skippers are from unicef that unaccompanied minors face abuse and death. >> they're exploited on shore, forced to work to earn some money to pay for passage. it's easier to force younger people to do something. they're picked up by armed individual groups, unscrupulous men, and they are put into so-called detention centers, old factories, old warehouse, they are beaten, mistreated. >> reporter: on deck, manuela is reunited with her >> reporter: out on deck manuela is reunited with her father. in the sanctuary, midwife angi perri is checking on the pregnant mothers and providing them with the first basic health care many of them have received in months. >> they came with a lot of shock. after taking a shower, we reassured them that the situation is very stable and very nice. >> reporter: how lucky do you think they were? >> they were very lucky because the treat tonight is a treat we consider risky because the weather was not really good in the past days. nowadays, they have food they can recover easily. so they were lucky because to have the risk of traveling in the sea with a rubber boat is very high always. so this is very nice. for me, i am very happy today. >> reporter: 27-year-old sophie >> reporter: 27-year-old sophie agbo comes from cameroon, a west african country that has problems with the boko haram islamist group, and also economic hardship. >> i want to look for my future. >> reporter: two hours after being plucked with from >> reporter: two hours after being plucked from the sea, she's had time to reflect on the dangers of the journey. >> i don't know that i can describe it, but it was very bad. i just appreciate giving the glory and honor. >> reporter: maria could only give single-word abs about her desperate journey but her mother who wanted to be identified as fatima claimed she was fortified by her faith. >> when i was at sea i prayed to god to allow us to triumph and save us. we could not have arrived without the help of the savior. we have the savior, and we have been saved. >> reporter: at the far end of >> reporter: but at the far end of the sanctuary, 22-year-old aseman, who is due to give birth to a son in two months time, was more forthcoming. she had traveled from eritrea, sometimes described as the north korea of africa. >> ( translated ): i am so happy to be safely on board this ship. recently many eritreans capsized, about 700 or 800 came by wooden boat. a lot of our brothers and sisters died. but we took a small rubber boat, which is very dangerous. i am so fortunate and happy to survive. i wouldn't advise anyone to risk taking this journey because there are so many problems. but people are obliged to leave their country because they have no choice. if the eritrean government were to introduce democracy and decent living standards, then it would be preferable to stay. >> reporter: their stay on the aquarius ended quickly as they were transferred to another boat that would take them and other migrants to italy. their gamble paid off. just. now they face a battle for acceptance in a europe that is hardening its heart and has no solutions to the exodus from africa. they leave behind a sea that for most europeans is a holiday paradise. out here, it's another world. for the pbs newshour, i'm malcolm brabant, off the libyan coast. >> woodruff: next, a big shakeup in television news, and a media and political bombshell, as roger ailes is ousted as the head of fox news. jeffrey brown reports. >> brown: it all unfolded quickly, in a matter of weeks, after former fox anchor gretchen carlson filed a sexual harassment suit against roger ailes, longtime head of fox news. ailes denied the charges. but 21st century fox, the cable network's parent company, hired a law firm to conduct an investigation. according to carlson's lawyers, 20 or more other women then came forward with claims about ailes' conduct, including megyn kelly, one of the network's star anchors. publicly, many other prominent on-air personalities at fox, including bill o'reilly, sean hannity, and greta van susteran, backed ailes and said they were unaware of any inappropriate behavior. rupert murdoch issued a statement late yesterday without referring to the harassment charges, saying that: "roger ailes has made a remarkable contribution to our company and our country. roger shared my vision of a great and independent television organization and executed it brilliantly over 20 great years." ailes, now 76, has been an influential figure for decades in republican politics, as an advisor and strategist to presidents nixon, reagan and george h.w. bush. he created fox news 2o years ago and built it into the most- watched cable news channel, promoted as an alternative to traditional mainstream media. it has been a huge money maker for its parent company, and a target for critics of its conservative tone and team. ailes said this in a 2004 interview with cpan's brian lamb: >> oh, we've changed the business a little bit. i think fox news has come on the scene and identified itself as "fair and balanced." we try to do that every day. i think others, instead of trying to get more fair and balanced, probably are offended by that or worried about it. >> brown: rupert murdoch and his sons james and lachlan will now decide on a successor to ailes, and the future of the network he built. >> brown: joining me now, jane hall, a journalism professor at american university who previously served as a media reporter for the "los angeles times" and commentator at fox news; and ken doctor, who writes on the media business for "politico," and on his blog, "newsonomics." welcome to both of you. ken, let me start with you. you watched this all unfold. was it the accumulation of charges? what in the end led to roger ailes being ousted? >> it was. it was. it's an extraordinary event, as you laid out, and it's almost opeoperatic to have it happen on the day of the trump acceptance. it was a culmination, a frat boy kind of culture that has been characteristic of fox news for a long time, and that's not going to changeover night. so now the murdochs will have to face that question. we know the murdoch sons are in charge of the business for the first time. roger ailes kind of pushed them off. they're going to have to confront both the workplace question of wha what kind of workplace is it, a madman or 20th century workplace, and significant business issues ahead. >> brown: why now, jane hall? there was a boy about roger ailes by gabe sherman a few years ago. what is your react? >> i hope it means the world changed. the younger murdochs did not particularly like roger ailes, but i think the fact that so many women, including reported my megyn kelly came forward. this is not something you can count nance in a modern media organization. he ruled and invented fox news news. it's so much a part of our culture that women who were sexually harassed were not taken seriously. so i'm hopeful that this means that even a powerful person can be investigated for this. >> you wrote an op-ed in the "new york times" today and you wrote of fox as a perfect reflection of ailes himself. how did he shape political discourse? >> he is a brilliant television producer, he created the graphics, hired bill o'reilly, brought in a number of people, brought megyn kelly on board. he had a great eye for talent. what i think happened is his fair and balanced slogan is not accurate. they have pounded home lines like government takeover, obama is soft on terrorism, hillary is crooked. as we said in the piece, i don't think we would have donald trump if we didn't have roger ailes, but the network is a reflection of his mission. the only person i can think of who had the same kind of impact is who created nbc news and sports. >> brown: ken doctor, what happens next? do key people stay? does the network change course or style? >> well, yesterday when rupert murdoch made a statement, with we actually had an 85-year-old replacing a 76-year-old which has got to be an interim situation. fox has to get through the election. it is by far the number one network. the election is four months away. i think we'll see an interim leader who will come in and soothe the waters. they really have to look as we get into 2017 of what's the nature of cable news. we're going to see major changes as we're seeing live streaming of things like the republican convention all over the place. we'll see other sites from buzzfeed and "new york times" do the same thing. and the business model is changing because the bundle, buying 250 channels and paying a dollar a month for fox, which what we most pay. >> brown: it's no denying the success of fox news. >> huge success. $1.5 billion a year in profit, 20% of the profit of 2 is century fox. so they will handle it carefully and they have contracts coming up for some of their major personalities. let's remember that four months ago donald trump said to somebody, well, if the election doesn't work out, there is trump news network and he can hire roger ailes to run it. >> brown: 9.3 million viewers had the highest viewership. >> they're a powerhouse. their average age has been creeping up and is already in the mid 60s. they are not grow ago broader audience. that's the problem. cnn have been gaining on them. it's not a sure thing, but they will continue to do this. they have a base that is extraordinary. >> brown: briefly, the younger generation you were talking about coming in of leadership, do you see any potential change in its course? >> for fox news? i've heard different theories. one is everybody who is closely associated with him may leave, may bring in somebody new. the fact he said he would be an advisor, i wouldn't be surprise if he goes to work with donald trump. he sort of created donald trump, might be a marriage we might see. >> brown: jane hall, ken doctor, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> woodruff: and to the analysis of shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shields and "new york times" columnist david brooks. talking to poet of you after four interesting days in cleveland together. >> you can't get enough. >> woodruff: you're right. everybody's speculating about hillary clinton's choice for vice president. we got word a few minutes ago that maybe she will tweet about it in the next few minutes. we're keeping an eye on that. meantime, what should we be -- what do we know at this point about what she's thinking? do you have insights you want to share with us? >> i do. i have, in my pocket. now, hillary clinton emphasized she is afflicted with or possessed of the responsibility gene, and that is it takes serious responsibility of her appointments and the people around her, and that's probably the strongest argument that can be made for tim kaine, the senator from virginia who tried to talk with hillary. but i have no inside information. bill clinton went off the reservation as he has more than once by recommending tim kaine which may put him in jeopardy because looks like if she does pick him she somehow would be bowing to th the big fellow's wl or direction or influence. i don't know. >> woodruff: david brooks, what do your direct sources in the clinton campaign tell you? >> it's interesting to watch the two candidacies go -- they used to go for geographical and ideological opposites and now are apparently going for temperamental opposites. donald trump picked a nice guy in mike pence and the three most talked about with hillary clinton whether tim caned kaine, vilsack or cory booker, sunny dispositions, open personalities and extremely likable. so as with the case of pence, living an arora of likability to a lead candidate who's a little lacking in that department. >> woodruff: this is a decision, mark. they say the choice of a vice presidential running mate doesn't make all that much difference but tells you about the thinking of the person running for president, doesn't it? >> absolutely, judy. remember this, the person you're choosing will be 90 feet down the hall for four years. that's a pretty intimate and close relationship, and it better be somebody you're comfortable with, like, trust and look forward to seeing, not someone you're coming up with creative ideas on thousand to avoid. i had one prominent and partisan republican say to me he personally hoped that secretary clinton would choose tim kaine, and i asked why, and they said because he'd like one of the four people running for vice president to be somebody he thought could be president, which i thought was quite a tribute and testimony itself. but it does tell you, i mean, whether you're comfortable. i think david's point is a very good one, that mike pence is a sunny conservative. i thought he had a good convention, and i think that the people that are publicly on her short list all are very congenial people. they're not people with personality or captain queeg problems. >> brown: david? kaine has been a governor, a senator, he's one of the smartest rising stars in the democratic party, he is very plausible somebody could see being president. reidy is very plausible, self-possessed, someone with associate. so there's so much strangeness in this year. these are all people who seem relatively normal and stable and warm but not without gravidas in their own way. >> woodruff: i was going to ask you both about assessing the convention we have been watching closely over the week, but donald trump actually stepped into a little more controversy. today he had a news conference he talked about how he didn't want ted cruz's endorsement, even if cruz offered it and he went on to bring up, to resurrect controversy in the past when he dughted that cruz's father might have some connection to the john f. kennedy assassination, comments about the looks of ted cruz's wife. what does this say to us about donald trump? >> well, he has teleprompter moments but they always pre-seed a relapse. he's had another trump being trump relapse and we should get used to that. he's never going to be someone who's normal or on message or particularly charitable to anybody. my two big takeaways hours later is if trump goes down, cruz is positioned to be the major republican figure in six or even two years. the second big thing, we talked about it last night, his decision to go law and order, and at the moment i thought it was a mistake because i think economic and social anxiety is the number one issue and i'm pretty confident hillary clinton will be riding that train pretty hard, but you know what happened in munich today, if there is a series of attacks like that or god forbid if i.s.i.s. is really sending soldiers across europe and maybe across the world for a barrage of these things, then the political climate is revolutionized here, and maybe the trump speech will look like a precursor to a climate we're all about to walk into. so the munich thing has to adjust the way we look back at that convention. >> woodruff: mark, we talked about the law and order emphasis from trump's remarks last night. does he automatically benefit from incidents like this one today in munich? >> yes, he does. judy, the pattern of american presidential elections is that the more optimistic candidate, whether john kennedy and let's get america moving again, ronald reagan morning in america or barack obama, it's tapped into the dna of americans of optimism and confidence. we are not as optimistic and far less confident than we were as a people and donald trump is writing a different theme which is it's midnight in america and things are bad, bleak, gloomy and doomy and the only thing that will save you is someone with the authority and power of somebody like me. so i personally believe that he's wrong about the condition of america. we're not being invaded by undocumented immigrants who are coming to kill police officers and commit crimes. i don't think that's true and i don't think most americans think it's true, but it does reinforce his argument as the law and order candidate when there are acts of such reckless and terrible horrific lawlessness as there was today in munich. >> woodruff: so all in all, david, this was a good convention for donald trump? >> i would say i would give it maybe a five out of ten. it was organized and the speech was relentlessly negative and probably offkey, but it did harm some points. i think one thing hillary clinton has to do in her convention is rebut the frame trump set up nationalism vs. globalism. she cannot appear globalist. she's beginning to do that talking about american greatness but that's the task in front of her. >> woodruff: what about that, mark? >> i think she has to be optimistic. she has to reveal herself. i mean -- >> woodruff: what do you mean? she's been around for a long time. >> there are people who know hillary clinton who tell wonderful stories about her, how likable and funny she is. 99% of american people have never seen that side of her, whether guarded privacy or whatever else, i mean, there is got to be some sense that this is a human being i can identify with. let me argue with david, dissent with him on ted cruz. if donald trump loses especially in the way david describes being revealed as this bizarre personality, ted cruz is not going to be what republicans are looking for in 2020. dan coates, retiring senator from indiana, mild man, former congressman, a respected member of the senate said of ted cruz after this week in cleveland, he's the most self-centered, narcissistic, pathological lier i've ever seen, and he said, you can quote me on that. now, this is the kind of feeling his colleagues have. people will be asking anybody at 2020 after this kind of election that david and i both expect it to be, whoo what kind of person is this? is this somebody we can be comfortable, with have confidence in, somebody who is not neurotic or worse. >> woodruff: talking about ted cruz at this point is this. >> and donald trump. agrees with him. david brooks, what about mark's point that hillary clinton needs to show something personal about herself. what about that? >> it is true there is a contrast between the candidates. it is absolutely true the people who work for hillary clinton speak of her in glowing terms and says she's loyal, thoughtful, thinks about them, she remembers birthdays, when something bad happens, she's there for them. no one says the trump i know is so personal and warm. ivanka when she talked about her dad, she got to see him on a work site, it's because he never is at home. with hillary, there is a warm side that intimates talk about but revealing that would breaking the wall of trust she's encased herself in in the last 20 years. she's never shown a personal willingness to do that because it makes her vulnerable and her emotional invulnerability made her survive but hurt her rating. >> woodruff: there is such a hatred of hillary clinton with the "lock her up" and "hillary to prison" coming out of the republican convention. david, is there something she can do to undo that animus or is it just baked in? >> it will be interesting to see if there is that much animus against donald trump and if we have the same sort of emotional term. >> democrats if they're not smart and brain dead, they're having self-deprecating humor written for them, there was no humor in cleveland, and they are not making this a donald trump bashing. >> woodruff: mark shields, david brooks, get rest this weekend. see you monday at the convention in philadelphia. thank you both. >> woodruff: updating the night's breaking news: munich, germany is on lockdown after one or more gunmen killed eight people in and near a shopping mall. a ninth body may turn out to be an attacker. and there's word the virginia supreme court has struck down move to restore voting rights to felons. tune in later this evening. gwen ifill has another special "washington week" on the road. gwen? >> ifill: hey judy, i miss you already! we're here in downtown philadelphia, preparing to look back at an eventful week at the republican convention in cleveland, and head to the democrats' meeting, not far from here beginning monday. once again, there will be veepstakes and careful positioning, as both parties prepare to launch into the general election campaign season. i'll see you when you get here, judy! >> woodruff: i can't wait, gwen. and as gwen said, i will join her and the rest of our newshour team in philadelphia next week for full coverage of the democratic convention. here's how you can watch. >> with so much at stake, you need election coverage you can trust. that's why the pbs "newshour" has teamed up with npr to bring you primetime coverage of the conventions. gwen ifill and judy woodruff are joined by npr's rachel martin for balanced reporting you won't find anywhere else. join us for live coverage of the democratic national convention, beginning monday 8:00 p.m. 7 central on pbs and >> woodruff: that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. have a great weekend. thank you, and good night. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> xq institute. >> bnsf railway. >> lincoln financial-- committed to helping you take charge of your financial future. >> md anderson cancer center. making cancer history. >> the lemelson foundation. committed to improving lives through invention. in the u.s. and developing countries. on the web at lemelson.org. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org this is "nightly busin report" with tyler mathise sue herera. record level. the s&p 500 finishes the w an all-time high. but can the rally drivers continue to carry the mark higher? 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