channel, here in sacramento, i'm john myers. the two are the only candidates, democrat, jerry brown and the republican, neel kashkari. we'll get started in just a moment but first let me introduce the journalists who along with me will be asking m along with me the questions. dunia elvir and jim newton. kqed public media, the los >> bickering in sacramento, republicans fighting with democrats. 27 billion. when i went up there i rolled up my sleeves, i started cutting my budget. the legislature gave me a budget i didn't think was tough enough. so i sent it back to them. i vetoed the first budget in the history of california. we started making the right cuts and making the right decision. so that budget from 27 billion in the red is now in a surplus. a solid surplus. all the jobs we lost in the recession we got back. 1.3 million jobs. our schools instead of laying off 30,000 people we're increasing the funding all available for the kids. >> 60 seconds. neel kashkari, your opening statement. >> thank you for tuning in the two of us rather than the packers and the seahawks, i really appreciate it. i want to rebuild the middle class in california. i think governor bryan means well, he's -- brown means well. you know it's not that long ago we used to have the best schools in america here in california. but they're ranked 48th out of 50th. ft. i know we can turn this around. i didn't come from a rich powerful family. my parents were immigrants, i was a middle class kid. because i was able to get a good job and work hard i know we can rebuilt the middle class if we work hard and aim high. protect the water in the middle of california, and in the south, while balancing what is right for the north, and the water rights of the northern california rights holders it's going to take something like the proposition 1 that will be on your ballot. and by the way i hope people vote for proposition 1 that is the water bond. >> your time is up. 30 seconds neel kashkari on the water. >> i'm very concerned about the tinls. $25 billion for the tunnels. infrastructure projects take the bay bridge, many billions of dollars over budgets many years late. if that's track record this thing is going to cost 50 or the $75 million by the time we're done. i have real concerns about mismanagement. i'm not going to plow ahead with 25 or 50 billion into the tunnels. study it and make it right. >> no tunnels? >> no tunnels. >> governor. >> this has been on the table for 50 years. if that saltwater intrudes half the water to sloven will disappear within days. that will be a catastrophe. i don't think this man understands -- >> your tunnel plan is fundamentally flawed, president obama said that. >> doesn't make it right by the way. >> let's move to another question in the debate. jim newton of the los angeles times. for neel kashkari. >> mr. kashkari. the governor of nevada and the head of tesla, the battery factory is going to go to nevada. my question to you do you believe california and governor brown did enough to keep tesla here? would you grant special tax benefits in order to get that factory? >> i don't think governor brown did enough for tesla. it is tesla it's toyota it's schwab, it's nestle, they're all going. we've been ranked 50th out of 50 states, 50, 50, 50. governor walker who is governor for the same firm, started out as 41th in business climate and now they're 15th. governor brown said we need ceqa reform, the environmental reform that are st stymieing reform, we can't do it. you try do one-off deals to big acompanies that hire high lobbyists. you can go to my website, neelkashkari.com. go to all businesses not just to tesla not just to the sacramento kings new stadium. to big businesses meex businesses -- medium businesses small businesses. so can put california families back to work. we have to rebuild the middle class of california and that means we have to bring sustai sustainable to california. >> tesla wamented a massive cash -- wanted a massive cash up-front payment. which we wish them well. cars are coming off the line every day. electric cars oar big part of our future. we have a million electric car goal in california and we're going to meet it. we need tesla to bring down the cost of batteries and i wish them well. california is the leading state for renewable energy and also electric cars. we have 30% of electric cars in the whole country. >> thank you. i'm glad that you asked about cars if you could because the next question is from me for governor brown. governor you oar strong advocate of 2006 climate change law. next year that law expands for the reproduction of fuel. it seems like everybody believes that will raise the price of gas in 2016. how do you defend the cost of gas for hardworking families who may be struggling? >> these are the same scare tactics when they heard that california wanted to improve mileage efficiency, they fought us. they kept saying the sky will fall if california raises the vehicle mile standards to 40 or 50 miles per gallon. what happened? the companies went bankrupt and obama stepped in and the california standard is the national standard. climate change is a global challenge. its an exist tension threat. existential threat. we have a cap of the amount of carbon that the oil companies can admit. if they go below that if they don't meet that cap if they go above it we need that allowance. we buy transit with that money, we buy high speed rail green money -- >> if i may sir the question was the gas price test air resources board also says gas prices will go up. >> look, price today i looked on the internet, i saw a variation of $1.50 in california right today. the oil companies have their own pricing strategy. they go up and they go down. in the last three years oil prices have varied by more than 10 cents 23 times so i can't tell you what their pricing is going to be. i know it works. chevron made $21 billion last year. all these oil companies are threatening the well-being, look at our forest fires look at the oil prices -- >> governor that's your time. neel kashkari l 30 seconds. >> make no mistake about it, i'm an aerospace engineer. to raise the price of your goes prices, to try to make alternatives more competitive. it's not fair to wallop the californian people, the lao the legislative analyst's office. that's not going to happen, i promise you. >> mr. kashkari, from dunia elvir. for mr. kashkari. >> a field poll shows 54% of california voters thinks the u.s. should support and also give shelter to the undocumented children coming to the united states. while they decide what they're going to do with them on a long term status. last month you said on cable tv show that when it comes to these children we should send the kids back home to send a message. my question to you is, do you continue to stand by your statement in light of the 58% californians disagreeing with you? >> well, i'm the son of immigrants. i think that immigration adds tremendous value to our country and immigration is very personal for me and my heart goes out to the kids who are coming here from distressed countries whether it's guatemala or honduras. kids in asia who are suffering and kids in africa who are suffering. but the answer is not an open border. yes we do need to send them home to their home countries and we need to work through the state department and aid agencies to try to improve living conditions around the world. but hang on, the kids in california are suffering also. nine kids in california sued governor brown for violating their civil rights. >> it's not question. >> it is the question. we have finite resources, who is going to stand up to the kids in california if the governor refuses to fight for them. >> you stand by the statement -- >> of course i stand by the statement, absolutely i have tremendous compassion. is the answer to the world's needy kids, an open border? we have compassion. president obama has said we need to treat the kids with compassion and send them home, hillary clinton says the same thing. we need to have sensible immigration laws we need to embrace immigrants and we need to enforce those laws. we need to take care of kids in california, governor, they need compassion too. >> this is a political football. i disagree with mr. kashkari. i believe that the bill that the law that became enacted under george bush that gave these kids a hearing i don't think we ought to chaish that, they are coming from honduras and el salvador and guatemala where some are facing gangs and murder and some girls are being faced into prostitution. unaccompanied by adults i think the least we can do is follow the law of california and gifer them a fair hearing. >> 30 -- give them a fair layering. >> next question is from jim newton of los angeles times. i think we may be anticipating this is for governor brown. >> governor as you know and been alluded to a superior court in the vergara case, the result of poor teaching shocks the conscience. whether you dispute those conclusions by the judge, whether you're appealing based on a legal difference of opinion or whether you factually disagree. >> the court of appeal to invalidate the laws of california, do i think there's a problem in the inner cities of california with the 1.6 million kids who speak no english at home, the kids who are homeless and in poverty, yes i do. i went and became the mayor of oakland and i started two charter schools, the oakland military school and the school of the arts. we had 10% of the kids were homeless, most of the parents were single, weren't married, didn't have two people in the household, very uncertain jobs, gun fire in the streets, these kids were under a lot of stress. that school has been going for 12 years. i appreciate the challenge, the challenge is teachers and decent money. california has now adopted in the last two years a revolutionary educational reform that puts more money into those classrooms where the challenges are toughest. foster care custody, poor kids, d rks foster care kids, for kids and kids who don't speak english. california's acting where we need it most and as far as bad teachers they have no place in the classroom. that's why i signed ab 215. if it's not enough we'll do further next time. >> just very -- >> very quickly. >> do you believe that teacher tenure, system in california contributes to the problems you just describe? >> the 1 to 3% obviously has some impact. but i'm telling you the lack of language the lack of income and the lack of disproportionate funding which we're now doing i think those are major factors. i base that on my charter schools that i started. >> governor let me move to mr. kashkari for the rebuttal sir. >> the judge got it exactly right. this is the most important civil rights cases in years. not just in california but in the country. nine kids sued governor brown, saying their rights are being violated, you have the choice of fighting for the civil rights of kids or the union bosses, you should be ashamed of yourself governor, i'm going to fight for the kids. i want you to know that. >> that makes no sense. >> it is absolutely true. >> it's false. >> it's absolutely true. >> i don't think we're going to agree on this issue tonight. >> i don't think you will. >> points are well taken. we need to move on. you can address it maybe in your closing statement. you can address it by mr. kashkari. >> you can call me neel. everybody else does. >> california voters don't know you very well yet. you wrote and you championed the 2008 bailout of some of the country's biggest banks known as tarp. you took a job with pemco, who made a direct profit from tarp-backed securities. is tarp an asset or liability on your resume? >> it's an asset. when our nation faced the greatest financial crisis, we wanted to let all the banks fail because they deserved to fail, they made lousy investments and no one owed them anything. literally when your atm card wouldn't work, president obama said we have to stabilize the american economy open the back of the american people. they said you can't get republicans and democrats to work together, we rejected those experts and we got george bush and barack obama to work together. we got nancy pelosi and john boehner to work together. i ran a program $425 billion, about three or four times the size of the california budget. we got every dollar back and made a $13 billion profit off the taxpayers. governor brown four years ago he praised president obama's leadership, debating against meg whitman. that was actually me, governor, thank you for the complirmt. -k -- compliment. i know we can get to work together in sacramento for the people of california. >> governor brown 30 seconds please. >> when you hand out money you can get everybody to go along. yes the system was stabilized but the bonuses that were given after that bailout, $32 billion. talk about destroying the middle class. that exacerbated the inequality and the unfairness that wall street has been guilty of and has contributed so much to the problems in california with the home foreclosures and unemployment. give them bonuses but don't, the people that suffered didn't get any home relief on their mortgages. >> very briefly mr. kashkari. >> you're being sued for housing profits for raiding $400 million that was earmarked for california distressed homeowners. you're being sued by homeowners. >> somewhat different topic. >> it's not different topic it's exactly related to this. >> hundreds of people, would love to use our courts that's silly. >> once again that's a good clash like the football game on the other channel. let's go to the next question in the california debate. coming from the studios of the california channel. for governor brown from dunia elvir. >> governor brown, one of your biggest programs is realignment sending your fennels to county jails. is realignment a success or has it just moved the problem from the state to the counties? >> realignment is the biggest change in our prison system probably in the last 40 years. anything in government takes time. you're not going to get over it in a year or two. this is a long term process of realigning what the counties do and what the states do. and in realignment we said the lower offenders, the less offenders they should not come in and out of state prison lice a dk are -- like a revolving door. so as a result, the medical care was bad, the conditions were crowded and the u.s. supreme court made us reduce our population. in order to do that, we settled a lower offenders, those should take place at the county. but not just putting them in jail. we need mental health services, drug treatment, day reporting, monitoring by gps and with proposition 30, we guaranteed billions of dollars for local counties to pay for the programs. and it is working. that's why the people that carry it out, the sheriffs of california endorse my candidacy. along with the police chiefs. this is a very importantly measure. it is by no means perfect but the violent crime have not gone up. spikes in property crimes, but i would say overall the first two years is a success and we will continue the momentum going forward. >> 30 seconds mr. kashkari. >> the program is absolutely a failure. don't kid yourself. the governor didn't say he's not going to release nonserious nonthreatening. they're committing heinous crimes again. there's a guy in stockton, i thiet say these words they're horrible, a man who robbed and raped and murdered his own grandmother. if i'm elected governor i'm going to keep these dangerous criminals locked up. releasing fennels onto our streets is not my way of going. >> the supreme court says you might not be able to do that sir. >> having our communities be unsafe that's an unacceptable option. >> it's a question from neel kashkari from jim newton. >> i wanted to return to something you mentioned earlier ceqa, the california environmental quality act. reform for ceqa, many believe it impedes job growth, that's what both of you said, but it's also been a mainstay of environmental protection since 1970. what reforms would you envision specifically that would speed up environment and growth but. >> i'm going to use the governor brown's own reform. the it's going to take years extra and millions of dollars of additional cost. so governor brown signed an is expedited review, gave them a special review said we're going to speed that process up, make it a speeded up process. let's make it efficient and predictable. that's a good plan but instead of just giving it to those who are politically connected who can hire high priced lobbyists, why don't we actually adopt that new are standard and make it available to everyone? big businesses medium sized businesses small businesses farms anybody who wants to invest in california. look. all of these follows are well-meaning but -- these policies are well-meaning but this is why the jobs are leaving the state. 27% poverty how can that be this great state. because we've done this to ourselves. a lot of well meaning policies that make the state not jobs friendly. 50th of 50 states, jobs leave and our poverty rate goes up. let's not chuck all regulations but have smart sensible regulations where businesses can invest, we can improve the jobs climate bring jobs back here and improve the milt class. >> 30 seconds governor brown. >> i've been fighting for ceqa reform since i was mayor of oakland. you can get an exemption very hard to get it generally across the board. there are reforms you can make but ever since ronald reagan put it into the statute books going back to the '70s it's been quite a challenge to reform it. that's not the thing that is holding california back. we created 1.4 million jobs, raised our minimum wage, extended health care, instead of 22% without health care we only have 11. this is place of google, this is the place of dreams of the best agriculture in the whole country so i know we're here in california run down and how bad it is and poverty, no jobs, that's not the picture of california that i know and love. i love this state and i know it works and i can tell you the last four years we haven't solved all the problems but boy what momentum we have. >> thank you governor brown. the next question is for you sur incumbent and it's from me. you did not create the high speed rail projects it existed before you came back in office but you have become its biggest champion i think. republicans in congress keep telling you california is not going to get the $38 billion from washington that that project anticipates. so governor can you tell voters right now will high speed rail be built if the feds don't give you the money? >> it will and it will for a very important reason, it's cheaper than building highways. to expand to meet our 10 million new people or even 15 million we'll have to expand interstate 5, build more airports more runways, more highways. high speed rail will be cheaper, cleaner, we're not going to bunch oil, we're going to use the sun and the wind and help where we need the jobs the most. that high speed rail is starting in the central valley, that's why the mayor of fresno supports it, we're investing $2 billion of state money, we're getting $3 billion of federal money on this first phase and that will have $8 billion of impact economically. it's good for california and helps lower the carbon footprint in california. >> we i have a little bit of ti. mr. kashkari calls it a crazy train. governor is it a crazy train? >> no, he's more familiar with the gravy train in washington that paid out $30 million in bonuses or sat idly by. when they happened. choing is poorer than -- china is peer than california. they're going to build another thousand miles to get to tibet. just like the panama canal they said we couldn't do it. >> make no mistake about it, he's raising your gas prices you at home, he's raising your gas prices to fund his vanity project his high speed rail, what i call the crazy train. my plan is to cancel that train, go back to the voters take the $10 billion they've authorized for the train and invest it in water. construction projects both create jobs but let's have something useful that can feed our state for the next several decades, by investing in water in a real way. not one little storage like your water bond. it is the crazy train, even your own are lieutenant governor, gavin newsom says, it's wasteful. we have other infrastructure investments we need to make not the crazy train governor. >> another topic. this is california debate the race for 2014 from the studios of the california channel. dunia elvir your question is to mr. kashkari. >> mr. kashkari, section years ago, california voters approved a ban on same sex marriage proposition 8. you were one of the 130 conservatives that urged the u.s. supreme court to overturn prop 8. how do you explain your position to the people of california who supported prop 8. >> i want the government out of our lives and like governor brown i thought that law was wrong banning same sex marriage. to me if two people want to get married that's between the two of them and god bless them, i hope they have a wonderful life whoever they are. i want to rebuild the middle class, let californians live the life they wanted to live. i applauded governor brown and attorney general harris in exercising their discretion not appealing this case. that flies in the face of what governor brown said earlier today that he was obligated to appeal the vergara case. i just wish he can use the same discretion in fighting for poor minority kids in california which he has chosen not to do. >> neel kashkari thank you, governor brown 30 seconds. >> what a salesman, you learned that on wall street where he sold all that stock that went sour. i care a lot about poor kids in the state. why i went to be mayor of a tough hard scrabble city. i think the only state that spends a significant extra amount to go to the schools where they have poor kids and kids that don't speak english. i mean this is the real answer. vergara could have a very strong impact but only if it's validated 50 court of appeals. our -- by the court of appeals. article -- supreme court judge can't validate that law. i signed that law, if that doesn't go far enough we'll take more steps at the next legislative session. >> we kind of pivoted off that topic but i appreciate the passion. next question is for jim newton and for the incumbent, jerry brown. >> governor you have called complaf's unfunded pension -- california's unfunded pension debt unconscionable. what will do you to turn around the pension situation? >> well, let's see because some of this imaginary here makes you wonder, is this california or are we in arkansas or mississippi? this is the eighth largest economy in the whole world. before i became governor it was the ninth largest so we're making progress. 1.4 million jobs, a deficit, 27 billion, a wall of debt, 32 billion. now we paid down the deficit, we paid down half the wall of debt, we did pension reform. we stopped spiking. we raised the age of retirement. we made employees pay 50% of the normal cost of pensions and in addition to that we put a cap on the pensions themselves. we've now funded over the period of decades our teachers retirement that was on course to go bankrupt. was it enough? no. but i can tell you i've been in government a fairly long time. things don't get done with a press release or a glib statement. they take many, many years. we've made major reform. the republicans as well as democrats, we'll do more but this is not easy. so in my next four years, yeah, we'll go further, in the pension for the pers, we'll do something about retiree health care and most importantly we'll keep paying down our wall of debt. arnold schwarzenegger called it a recovery bond, it was really, when we pay that off it's less debt service and we can take care of our other bills. >> neel kashkari. >> we are not headed in the right direction. we got to turn it around. >> we haven't had a republican governor -- >> governor -- >> the total liability that we're on the hook for is about $500 billion. the first thing he did as governor is throw people off the boards of agencies that were fighting for honest accounting. now cal pers and calsters are predicting we'll go to the moon. first thing i'll do as governor is appoint these people -- honest people to these boards. how many you and i are on the hook for, that's how we bring people together. be honest how big the whole is. bring people together, start the process, not just tinkering around the edges. work high, we can get it done. >> next question is for you mr. kashkari, from me. you've called the affordable care act, from president obama a quote, jobs destroyer. no people have worked harder to make obamacare a reality, would you try to dismantle it in california the exchange, all of it? >> no i want to fix it. obamacare is very personal to me. my plan was cancelled under obamacare, i can't go to the same doctor i used to, i'm okay, i've got good health insurance but i have huge concerns when 16% of californians, this is an indicator, governor brown says we're back but 16% of californians either have no job today or stuck in a part time job. we're not talking about real california but you know, you at home, do you think we're back? do you think that you've got the job that we want? hang on for a second, i'm coming to it. do you have the job that we want? we have a major piece of federal legislation that reduces the number of full time employees so i have very big concerns for obamacare about what it's going to do to the job market when it incentivizes employers to cut back on workers. we need a health care plan in california and nationally that incentivizes both job creation as well as affordable health care. i can't unilaterally change the problem and redesign it. so one of the things i will do is i am going to go to washington and push them. i won't chuck it -- >> you won't cancel the exchange? >> i won't cancel the changes but we need to put people back to work. that's my big concern. >> there are so many glib statements i feel like i'm getting a sales pish -- pitch from -- >> from neel kashkari. >> from neel kashkari. california is putting the best job putting obamacare into practice. sure there are problems. government is a messy business, you've got two parties two branches of government or rather two houses but we're making real progress and i'm most proud of that the number uninsured is going down to 10% and it used to be 25%. that's good. by the time we're talking about poor people, i'm the one that raised the minimum wage to ten bucks, and gave latinos, the ability to drive to work. and they're picking in our factories. >> home stretch of this debate, a question close to this issue dunia elvir for governor brown. >> governor brown, now that you mentioned illegal immigrants, 1.4 million undocumented immigrants getting ready to get drivers pipelines. they will get one with a marking and it's going to show and indicate to everybody their undocumented status. many of them are watching you right now through telemundo by the way. do you have a way to show that profiling with it not -- will not become a problem with these newly issued licenses? >> i can tell you that california highway patrol will protect the rights of all california drivers. the most important thing is so many people, over a million people will be able to legally drive to work. and that's been a really shocking thing that we depend on people's labor we won't let them legally get to the job. but we won't let the difference and it is a difference because the federal law requires an indication it's not good for federal identification purposes. it's only good for california. but that's a big thing. there were people who were getting arrested, taking their kids to school, going out to the job site, going out to our farms. so i think the big thing is california is empowering so many good hardworking californians and it is really in the face of no-a in washington gridlock -- no action in washington gridlock like we yuf to have in california. we didn't have a water plan we didn't have any pension reform we had a huge wall of debt but we're getting stuff together. and with respect to immigration, california is really setting the pace. with our trust act, we're not arbitrarily holding people in jail, so the immigration service can go pick them up. i signed the dream act so kids who qualify for the university can go to school and get a scholarship. i think that's going to build for the future because so many of our kids almost about 30%, are either undocumented or don't speak english. >> very quickly. >> very quick the main thing is do you have a strategy omonitor that this is not going to happen because even though if they are trying the chp the police they're going to have that driver license, anybody can see it. if they go and try to open a bank account or buy something in the supermarket. >> i will direct the supervisor of the highway patrol to do whatever is necessary to prevent that. the local police and sheriffs and to the extent we hear anything we will take immediate action on those reports. >> mr. kashkari would you have signed it by the way, the law? >> the drivers license, weed in federal immigration -- we need federal immigration reform. the governor of california says it's not his issue he can't affect it it's federal law. as governor i will be fighting on federal issues foop if that means -- issues too. if that means i have to go to washington to fight, i will do that too. we can't solve this at a state level. we need federal legislation for the whole country. in terms of discrimination, that is question, we have to fight discrimination, as a brown kid myself growing up we have to fight to make sure every kid from every nationality from every country is free from discrimination. i have to make sure that will happen. >> for me, would you have signed it or vetoed it? >> i would have signed it. >> jim newton. >> last republican governor of the state, how do you rate schwarzenegger's legacy? >> i would rate him well. he came as an immigrant. he built an amazing life for himself, he was a success, and frankly an inspiration for all of us. my dad wasn't governor. my parents were immigrants, i grew up mowing lawns and bagging groceries.. i'm so proud of our country that people like me and people like schwarzenegger could achieve what we're achieving. i don't think that he was as successful as woe have liked to have been. -- he would have liked to have been. one of the differences is i spent three years in washington, d.c, tackling some of the worst issues that, you can't navigate the house and the senate, we figured it out. we got them to work together. again we got the leaders of both parties to put their country before their political careers and that is what has inspired me to run now because if we could do big things in washington, d.c. for the american people in the time of the national crisis, the people of california, many of them are in crisis today, 24% poverty. governor brown doesn't like to talk about it but 24% poverty today, let me tell you those families are in crisis and i'm running for governor to fight for them. >> mr. brown 30 seconds please. >> i've seen nothing not a shred in his program that can help poor people. quite the opposite, it follows from your bonuses to your buddies at goldman sachs. >> schwarzenegger era was the question. >> 23 years of that were republican governors when i was gone. arnold had some big plans but it too insider knowledge to get it done. we were talking about california as a failed state. well it's back. he likes to use the construct that if we're not perfect we're not making progress. i think 1.4 million jobs we're recovering faster than the rest of the nation. we're moving forward. more money going to the schools, 30% more, water bond proposition 1 and we have a rainy day fund to save funds for hard times when they come and i hope everybody on their ballot this november will vote for proposition 1 and proposition 2. >> next question is from me, governor, it's to you. this may be one of the simpler questions. let's see, let's give it a shot. one of the most talked about bills at the state capital this year was a statewide ban on plastic bags. let me ask you the simple question first, paper or plastic. >> paper, i guess. >> will you sign this? >> no, i probably will sign it, yes. i tell you what, in fact i tell yu i'm going to sign it. normally i let the bill get enrolled and read it. there are about 50 cities with their own plastic bag ban. that's why they said let's have one statewide ban that's reasonable. this bill has been worked through. this is the nature of the legislative process. this is a compromise, taking account the needs of the environment and the needs of the economy and the needs of the grossers. i think on balance -- grocers. , it is having far too much waste and through put but it will not disrupt business in california. >> mr. kashkari? >> no chance i would sign that. >> no you would veto it? >> banning plastic bags, regulating football practice because apparently the families of california can't decide for themselves how much football practice is enough and the one i loved last week personally governor i can now bring my dogs to restaurants. i'm a dog lover i'm grateful for that. what they're not working on is rebuilding the middle class. we're 46th in education, 44th for jobs, number one in poverty. the time for incrementalism is long past. plastic bags is not going to do it, bringing my dogs to a restaurant is not going to do it neither is regulating football practice or soccer or baseball. we actually need to put people back to work, governor. >> next question for this debate is for dunia elvir for mr. kashkari. >> there are an awful lot of california families that would like to have the governor bringing down the cost of a u.c. or csu school. what is the best to make college affordable for all? >> this is terrible. when i went to college i took out $100,000 in loans. which is scary. i was able to pay it back. a lot of california kids can't get into california universities because they are preferring to take out of state students because they pay higher tuition. they can't get the classes they need or if they happen to graduate they are graduating with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debts. they can't get a job. our california schools are funded by student. the more students they have the more they get from the state. it creates a perverse incentive, to hoard them on campus, not graduate them, not make sure they get the classes they need. so what other states have done is change the funding model so universities are actually incentivized to make sure the kids get the classes they need, make sure they graduate on time and make sure they can have more students come in. the first thing would i do as governor is change the incentives so the universities are focused on student outcomes. we have to put students first. we have to put students first. my dad was a professor at the local college, the students have to come before the faculty and make sure that california kids come first, they get the classes they need and if we grow the economy with any jobs reforms there are good jobs waiting for them. >> what can you do about college costs? >> i froze tuition for three years at both the university of california and cal state. half the kids pay no tuition and the tuition is among the lowest in the whole country. kids graduating from california colleges have about half the debt that others have. to help the middle class and by the way if you really examine my foant's plan there is nothing that will -- opponent's plan there was nothing that will help the middle class. >> have you read it? >> yes i have. i wasn't impressed. those kids above the poverty are not rich enough to really afford to go so we have a middle class scholarship we've frozen tuition and other things like all in line learning to make more classes available. >> what can you do about his plan? you said you have read it? >> the creating jobs, getting rid of unspecified regulations and reducing taxes. as a matter of fact he owned proposition 30 which -- he opposed proposition 30, putting 5 billion in our k-12. >> i cracked open the door. >> which taxes am i cutting? >> sits very vague. >> it's not very vague. it's very specific. it's very specific grocery. neelkashkari.com. >> we're at the time to do closing statements. this has been fun. we have had fun. why wouldn't you do another debate? >> we've exposed the differences. >> we are on the california channel. at that point for closing statements they california debate. both candidates get one minute here. the first closing statement from governor brown. >> thank you. this has been a spirited debate real differences of opinion. but i just want to get back to some fundamentals. four years ago when i went to sacramento the place was in a shambles. we have been termed a failed state just like greece. that is not the case anymore. the majority of the people in california feel like we're on the right track. four years ago, only 13% felt we were on the right track. we're taking care of water, workers compensation. rainy day fund. there is a lot of coming back and forth but we lost 1.4 million jobs. since i've been elected, almost 1.3 million have come back to california that's not by accident. we've lowered the cost of manufacturing, biocom, manufacturing, california has its challenges but we've got momentum and heading in the right direction. >> thank you for the closing statement and now republican challenger, neel kashkari. one minute. >> thank you, the key question here for you at home the voters, is your family back? are your kids in good schools today? do you feel good about the job you want, the job you deserve? i'm running for governor to fight for your family to fight to rebuild the middle class so every kid in california has the same shot in life that i had. i didn't come from a rich powerful family. my parents were immigrants, i was a middle class kid and i could live the american dream. i'm running for governor so every kid in california has the same chance i have so you can get the job you want, so you can work hard and build a better life for yourself and your family. i'm dedicating not just my candidacy but my entire governorship to rebuilt the middle class for you so you can live the life you can. i think we can be back, i don't settle for incrementalism, i've got the plans and the experience to do it and i'm asking for your vote. >> thank you challenger neel kashkari. spirited debate. we could have brought the dogs in, the two newfoundlands around the korg -- and the korgi. military ballots go out, i'm thanking jim newton and dunia elvir. and to the california channel in sacramento and all of our participants in kqed, telemundo and the los angeles times. the only message in the debate is really to all of you who are watching and listening at home vote in this election. it really matters. i'm john myers from kqed news. thank you and good night. announcer: san francisco opera is recorded live at the war memorial opera house. von stade: two lovers from verona -- a world of desire and hate, passion and despair. welcome to the houses of the capulets and the montagues. hello, i'm frederica von stade. this san francisco opera production opens on a dramatically stark set designed to remind us of a war waged on two fronts, between nations and families.

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