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Station from viewers like you. Thank you. And by the corporation for public broadcasting. Additional support is provided by the abrams foundation, committed to excellence in journalism. Park foundation, dedicated tohf critical issues. The john d. And Catherine T Macarthur foundation committed to building a more just, verdant and peaceful world. And by the frontline journalism fund, with major support from jon and jo ann hagler. And Additional Support from koo and patricia yuen, committed to bridging cultural differences in our communities. Support for this program was provided by the Jonathan Logan family foundation, empowering worldchanging work. And preserving democracy, a public Media Initiative from the wnet group, with principal support provided by the chang k. Park foundation. And major funding from the following sirens blaring in distance narrator in the days before the 2020 election. A massive impact on the american judiciary. Narrator . A decisive moment. Clarence thomas, Amy Coney Barrett. Folks, do you know how big this is . This is huge. Narrator presiding over the ceremony, Supreme Court Justice Clarence thomas. Do solemnly swear. That i will support and defend the constitution. Narrator Amy Coney Barrett had chosen thomas to swear her in. So help me god. So help me god. Narrator a sign of transformation inside the high court. camera shutter clicks its a moment of victory for Clarence Thomas. Hes now become the center of the court. And i think he would say he, he won. audience applauding Justice Thomas has developed into one of the leading lights on the court, if not the leading light, so this is why its often referred to as the thomas court now. He really is sort of the ideological and intellectual center of gravity on the court. Narrator in the front row, thomass wife, ginni. It was a momentous moment. Ginni thomas is as good as any, maybe the best, embodiment of the american right today. Shes a true believer. She has always been on the far right. Her politics are all about this politics of fear and anger. Thats ginni thomas. Narrator two powerful conservatives, on t court and in politics, pursuing a shared vision. This duo of Clarence Thomas and ginni thas, they are the it couple of the far right. Narrator two lives shaped by history. Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. Narrator politics. The american women do not want e. R. A. They do not wantbortion. Narrator and race. Affirmative action is not equality. Narrator leaving an indelible mark on america. The conservative majority overturning roe versus wade, the right to choose abortion. Challenging the use of race in college admissions, which could have an impact on affirmative action. In a nation freighted with division and upheaval, the thomases have found their moment. They are one and the same in how they look at their opponents. Its a war with the other side. My earliest memories are those of pin point, georgia, a life far removed in space and time. Narrator Clarence Thomass journey to the center of American Power began as far away as one can get from it. He came up poor, very poor, from a marginal community. They talk about marginalized and underrepresented communities. Well, the geechee dialectspeaking, sea islanddwelling, poor black people of the 1950s, which is when he was coming along, were as marginal, i can imagine, as you could get within the context of american society. In 1955, my brother and i went to live with my mother in savannah. We lived in one room in a tenement. We shared a kitchen with other tenants, and we had a common bathroom in the backyard, which was unworkable and unusable. It was hard, but it was all we had and all there was. His father left early and moved away. His mother was a single mother. His mother married many times. He didnt have a relationship with any of, not his biological dad, or any that came afterwards. His mom has talked to me about how that was a very, um, bleak period of her life, when she had to do, but, you know, she said, you know, but i had to do what i had to do. Narrator desperate, clarences mother, leola williams, gave up the boys, sending them to live at their grandfathers house. Crence had been rescued from a life of poverty, and ended up in a house that had a toilet, running water, and his ability to go to school every day. Narrator but life with his grandfather, myers anderson, had its own challenges. He was tough, he was hard. I dont think empathy might have been his strongest point. I interviewed Clarence Thomass mother. She described that the grandfather would lock Clarence Thomas and his little brother in the hall closet and not let them out, for punishment. And he also whipped them with a belt quite routinely. His grandfather beat the two boys quite often, whenever it was that they didnt do something fast enough or, or well enough. He was physically, mentally, verbally abusive to, to both of the boys. Probably the unhappiest that hes ever been in his life was the time that he spent in his, in his grandfathers house. Narrator things werent much easier for clarence out in segregated savannah. Savannah would have been divided on racial lines. And when i say that, dont just think that im talking whiteblack. We had racial divides among the black community. They had the brown bag rule. Your complexion. Um, it is either equal to the brown bag or lighter. Anything darker, it was ridiculed or derogated in some way. Narrator thomas wrote about it in his autobiography. Most of the insults aimed at me had to do with the darkness of my skin, the flatness of my nose, the kinkiness of my hair, and the way i talked. Such racial slurs stung all the more for having come from my own people. The issues of class and race have always been at the heart of how thomas has seen himself. Thats the prism through which he sees his own life. And at every turn, there is a racial dimension to his life that he talks about. Clarence was, frankly, never comfortable around the black people in georgia. Clarence had been ridiculed by the children in that area around pin point, and he was nicknamed abc, for americas blackest child. So from an early age, clarence really felt estranged, i think, from his entire community. The resentment and anger that that can provoke within the darkerskinned and blacker individuals is also not so pretty. It, its a psychologically debilitating aspect of African American experience, this kind of classcolor prejudice that operates amongst black americans. church bell tolling, choir singing i guess the thing i remember most about clarence is him as an altar boy. Whenever father needed to find altar boys, all my classmates and all would hide. Clarence would volunteer. Gloria patri et filio et spiritui sancto. He had a grandfather who was a devout catholic and wanted him to have the catholic experience. altar bells ringing narrator his grandfather paid 20 a year for clarence to attend st. Benedicts school. Our teachers were. The nuns were called the bleep nuns in, in savannah. In other words, they were assigned to educate black kids. Whatever our circumstances, the nuns treated us all with respect and insisted that we do our best, though some of them insisted harder than others. shutter clicks narrator one of the nuns paid special attention to clarence. Sister mary virgillius, my eighthgrade teacher, took a nononsense, highexpectations approach to teaching, which may be why she got the most out of me. I think his nurturing came from them because it wasnt coming from his immediate family. I dont think he had the nurturing of, of parents and whatever we would normally get. And the nuns and the priests provided that for him. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. The Catholic Church can be a refuge from Everything Else thats going on in your life. I wanted to be a nun. laughs before i hit puberty. laughing and so, it was not surprising to me that he would want to go into the seminary. Narrator clarence excelled at the school, and before long, the nuns began to tout him as a role model. The nuns, thats all they talked about. Clarence thomas is gonna be our first black priest in savannah, and you should really admire him for that, young boys and young girls. He is harddriving and ambitious and very hardworking. Hes trying to prove himself. You can sort of see in him from this early period that its kind of, like, ill show them. And i dont care if you reject me, im going to make it anyway, and ill show you. singleengine plane starting up narrator if Clarence Thomas struggled in the segregated south, in the middle of america, his future wife, ginni lamp, was living a seemingly pictureperfect life. The thing about the midwest is that the largest feature of the landscape is the sky. Theres, like, over 180 degrees of sky. I suppose a long vista gives you a sense that theres something beyond, you know, theres something more out there. Leave it to beaver. Beaver, whats the matter with your eye . Which eye, mom . audience laughing i remember watching leave it to beaver and thinking, as a child, well, this is, thats, thats my, thats my neighborhood, thats where im growing up. Andthe kind of american dreaml, this is, thlocalethats my, in the 1960s and early 70s. Narrator Kurt Andersen grew up across the street from ginni. Where we lived was this prosperous, allwhite neighborhood. Except for the housekeepers and cleaners, it was easy to go for days, weeks, months, forever, without seeing black people, frankly, is what it s. hits ball, crowd applauds she came om within almost a walled bastion, you know . Narrator scott bange was her high school boyfriend. There was no exposure in her life to somebody who was a High School Kid and drank, or smoked weed, or did all those things that i thought were normal and High School Kids did. She was a pretty good little girl. She was just kind of a nonexceptional, you know, middleofthepack girl in these giant classes of 750 people. cheerleaders cheering she was involved in things like pep club. And then she became something they called warrior woman. She would, like, lead the marching band, and all these, you know, people carrying pennants and whatnot. Narrator but at home, there was something underneath the everyday suburban veneer. Shes the youngest child of a very prosperous real estate developer. Her mom was a homemaker and political activist. They were leading what looked outwardly like a idyllic suburban lifestyle. Ive heard ginni thomas say that she was sort of the mistake child, that she was born a lot later. So her parents were very politically engaged. They thought they were done having children, and then comes along ginni. They would take her to these republican rallies, and so she grew up with republican activism. And, and obviously, it took, right. Narrator it was a republican activism beyond the norm, even in conservative omaha. I first became familiar with the lamps from my parents talking about them as what they called black hats. That was their phrase for extreme, farright, john birchy republicans. Narrator the lamps were immersed in a growing culture of rightwing fearmongering, like this film from supporters of president ial candidate barry goldwater. Our streets are not safe. Immorality begins to flourish. Violence pits american against american. We dont want this. Its there in this film. Shots of the city, of newsstands with pornography on it. And fast cars and, and kids doing the twist, and topless dancing and the whole realm of cultural, you know, bogeymen. Demoralization, chaos this is the change, the other america that the people slowly wake up to. In the streets, the mob. Mobocracy. Narrator as ginni was growing up, the conflicts of the 1960s were being broadcast on television. And i say, segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever audience cheering there you are, a preteen, and youre a sponge, right . In a march this morning to the county courthouse at selma, alabama. protesters chanting television had really expanded. The whole black nation has to be put together as a black army. Everything came right into your living room, so to speak, every night. Narrator in response, the lamps were drawn to the John Birch Society. film music playing the civil rights movement, as we know it today, is simply part of a Worldwide Movement organized and directed by communists to enslave all mankind. The John Birch Society became a code word for very faroutthere, rightwing beliefs and activities. Their objective is not communist conquest, its anarchy, breakdown of law and order, helplessness narrator for young ginni, it left an impression. You can see so many echoes in the John Birch Society of what became qanon and other sort of farright radical conspiracy theories. And, you know, this was very sort of blackandwhite point of view that made politics into war. That was the kind of the mindset that ginni lamp grew up in. vhs tape loading in gullah, the name of this poem is dem four gals, okay . Narrator as a child, clarence had grown up speaking the language of the enslaved people of georgia. Its called gullah geechee. And when we greeted people, we said, how onuh da do . We used to call it pidgin english, but i think it was a french flavor to it. Narrator as one of only two black students attending a high school seminary, the vestiges of that dialect made him a target of ridicule. That hes different, it also reminds them not only does it remind everybody around him that hes of a lower caste. It has to be monumental for him. Father coleman told me matteroffactly that i didnt speak standard english and that i would have to learn how to talk properly if i didnt want to be thought inferior. His blunt words hit me like a slap in the face. Narrator that moment stuck with him for the rest of his life. shutter clicks clarence, when he got really relaxed, would revert to some of those ways of phrasing and that accent. But he was always extremely conscious of how he pronounced words. Because he had been forced to do that. When the justice was on the high court, he was famous for not speaking during oral argument. And one of the explanations he would offer for that was because he was embarrassed about how he talked, even though that was so far in the past, that no one who knows the presentday Clarence Thomas would think that that would be a concern of his. But it indeed was. Narrator his days living in the white seminary shaped him in other ways, too. He was in a dormitory, living on that campus. So it had to be tough. You know, when somebody says something derogatory to you in that environment, you got to deal with it, because youre there 24 7. At night, before hed go to sleep now and then, you know, thered be laughter in the room and someone would say, clarence, smile so we can see you, that kind of thing. When they put the lights out at night, his peers would shout, bleep , bleep , bleep , bleep , like, for, like, you know. Hours at night, keep him up. Narrator after he entered the major seminary, one event would become a turning point. I have some very sad news for all of you, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther king was shot and was killed tonight in memphis, tennessee. audience screams after Martin Luther king is assassinated, that day, he hears his fellow seminarians say, good, i hope the s. O. B. Dies. You know, it, its crushing to him. Its absolutely crushing. Our hero is murdered, and youre dancing on his grave, so to speak . These are not my people, the people who would dance on his grave. What am i doing with them . Where am i . Who am i . This kind of thing. You begin to ask yourself, what am i buying into here . I tore off the beliefs i had learned from the nuns. I knew what was wrong, who to bla for it, and what to do about it. I was an angry black man. That seminary was too much for him. He had to leave. It was heartwrenching. Not only did he leave the religion that sustained him, but he was also living there. And so, he had to go back to this household where he was treated like, like a dog. It had to be tremendously painstaking. Youre going to disappoint so many people your grandfather, the black community, the black Catholic Community in savannah. All, all these people are looking for you to be the first black priest. The grandfathers saying, what, youre leaving the seminary . You know, youre out of my house, im cutting you off. Youre not going to be supported. And again, thomas is abandoned, right . Hes left alone, hes left to fend for himself. Im finished helping you, he said. Youll have to figure it out yourself. Youll probably end up like your nogood daddy, or those other nogood pin point negroes. Instead of the grandfather being sympathetic and compassionate and, and loving and hugging him and saying, i love you no matter what, or whatever a normal person would do, he excoriated him and told him that he was a failure and expressed his dire disappointment. Narrator over the years, thomas would downplay this image of his grandfather and express admiration for the man who gave him a home as a child. I mean, the grandfather is in the title of his autobiography. My grandfathers son. Thats how he thought of himself. But the picture that he paints in that book is completely the opposite of how clarence described his grandfather to me. audience cheering so, uh. My thanks to all of you, and now its on to chicago and lets win there. audience cheering whistling and cheering one day, i turned on the radio while making my sandwich. people screaming senator kennedy has been shot, is that possible . And heard that Bobby Kennedy had been shot. My god, senator kennedy has been shot. I fell to my knees and burst into tears. Thats it, rafer, get it get the gun, rafer okay, now hold onto the guy i felt the blind, selfdestructive rage that haunted so many of the people i knew. And the crowd is running and the police are chasing them into jackson, into grant park. Surely the time for politeness and nonviolent protest was over. Look what it had done for dr. King and Catherine T Macarthur<\/a> foundation committed to building a more just, verdant and peaceful world. And by the frontline journalism fund, with major support from jon and jo ann hagler. And Additional Support<\/a> from koo and patricia yuen, committed to bridging cultural differences in our communities. Support for this program was provided by the Jonathan Logan<\/a> family foundation, empowering worldchanging work. And preserving democracy, a public Media Initiative<\/a> from the wnet group, with principal support provided by the chang k. Park foundation. And major funding from the following sirens blaring in distance narrator in the days before the 2020 election. A massive impact on the american judiciary. Narrator . A decisive moment. Clarence thomas, Amy Coney Barrett<\/a>. Folks, do you know how big this is . This is huge. Narrator presiding over the ceremony, Supreme Court<\/a> Justice Clarence<\/a> thomas. Do solemnly swear. That i will support and defend the constitution. Narrator Amy Coney Barrett<\/a> had chosen thomas to swear her in. So help me god. So help me god. Narrator a sign of transformation inside the high court. camera shutter clicks its a moment of victory for Clarence Thomas<\/a>. Hes now become the center of the court. And i think he would say he, he won. audience applauding Justice Thomas<\/a> has developed into one of the leading lights on the court, if not the leading light, so this is why its often referred to as the thomas court now. He really is sort of the ideological and intellectual center of gravity on the court. Narrator in the front row, thomass wife, ginni. It was a momentous moment. Ginni thomas is as good as any, maybe the best, embodiment of the american right today. Shes a true believer. She has always been on the far right. Her politics are all about this politics of fear and anger. Thats ginni thomas. Narrator two powerful conservatives, on t court and in politics, pursuing a shared vision. This duo of Clarence Thomas<\/a> and ginni thas, they are the it couple of the far right. Narrator two lives shaped by history. Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. Narrator politics. The american women do not want e. R. A. They do not wantbortion. Narrator and race. Affirmative action is not equality. Narrator leaving an indelible mark on america. The conservative majority overturning roe versus wade, the right to choose abortion. Challenging the use of race in college admissions, which could have an impact on affirmative action. In a nation freighted with division and upheaval, the thomases have found their moment. They are one and the same in how they look at their opponents. Its a war with the other side. My earliest memories are those of pin point, georgia, a life far removed in space and time. Narrator Clarence Thomas<\/a>s journey to the center of American Power<\/a> began as far away as one can get from it. He came up poor, very poor, from a marginal community. They talk about marginalized and underrepresented communities. Well, the geechee dialectspeaking, sea islanddwelling, poor black people of the 1950s, which is when he was coming along, were as marginal, i can imagine, as you could get within the context of american society. In 1955, my brother and i went to live with my mother in savannah. We lived in one room in a tenement. We shared a kitchen with other tenants, and we had a common bathroom in the backyard, which was unworkable and unusable. It was hard, but it was all we had and all there was. His father left early and moved away. His mother was a single mother. His mother married many times. He didnt have a relationship with any of, not his biological dad, or any that came afterwards. His mom has talked to me about how that was a very, um, bleak period of her life, when she had to do, but, you know, she said, you know, but i had to do what i had to do. Narrator desperate, clarences mother, leola williams, gave up the boys, sending them to live at their grandfathers house. Crence had been rescued from a life of poverty, and ended up in a house that had a toilet, running water, and his ability to go to school every day. Narrator but life with his grandfather, myers anderson, had its own challenges. He was tough, he was hard. I dont think empathy might have been his strongest point. I interviewed Clarence Thomas<\/a>s mother. She described that the grandfather would lock Clarence Thomas<\/a> and his little brother in the hall closet and not let them out, for punishment. And he also whipped them with a belt quite routinely. His grandfather beat the two boys quite often, whenever it was that they didnt do something fast enough or, or well enough. He was physically, mentally, verbally abusive to, to both of the boys. Probably the unhappiest that hes ever been in his life was the time that he spent in his, in his grandfathers house. Narrator things werent much easier for clarence out in segregated savannah. Savannah would have been divided on racial lines. And when i say that, dont just think that im talking whiteblack. We had racial divides among the black community. They had the brown bag rule. Your complexion. Um, it is either equal to the brown bag or lighter. Anything darker, it was ridiculed or derogated in some way. Narrator thomas wrote about it in his autobiography. Most of the insults aimed at me had to do with the darkness of my skin, the flatness of my nose, the kinkiness of my hair, and the way i talked. Such racial slurs stung all the more for having come from my own people. The issues of class and race have always been at the heart of how thomas has seen himself. Thats the prism through which he sees his own life. And at every turn, there is a racial dimension to his life that he talks about. Clarence was, frankly, never comfortable around the black people in georgia. Clarence had been ridiculed by the children in that area around pin point, and he was nicknamed abc, for americas blackest child. So from an early age, clarence really felt estranged, i think, from his entire community. The resentment and anger that that can provoke within the darkerskinned and blacker individuals is also not so pretty. It, its a psychologically debilitating aspect of African American<\/a> experience, this kind of classcolor prejudice that operates amongst black americans. church bell tolling, choir singing i guess the thing i remember most about clarence is him as an altar boy. Whenever father needed to find altar boys, all my classmates and all would hide. Clarence would volunteer. Gloria patri et filio et spiritui sancto. He had a grandfather who was a devout catholic and wanted him to have the catholic experience. altar bells ringing narrator his grandfather paid 20 a year for clarence to attend st. Benedicts school. Our teachers were. The nuns were called the bleep nuns in, in savannah. In other words, they were assigned to educate black kids. Whatever our circumstances, the nuns treated us all with respect and insisted that we do our best, though some of them insisted harder than others. shutter clicks narrator one of the nuns paid special attention to clarence. Sister mary virgillius, my eighthgrade teacher, took a nononsense, highexpectations approach to teaching, which may be why she got the most out of me. I think his nurturing came from them because it wasnt coming from his immediate family. I dont think he had the nurturing of, of parents and whatever we would normally get. And the nuns and the priests provided that for him. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. The Catholic Church<\/a> can be a refuge from Everything Else<\/a> thats going on in your life. I wanted to be a nun. laughs before i hit puberty. laughing and so, it was not surprising to me that he would want to go into the seminary. Narrator clarence excelled at the school, and before long, the nuns began to tout him as a role model. The nuns, thats all they talked about. Clarence thomas is gonna be our first black priest in savannah, and you should really admire him for that, young boys and young girls. He is harddriving and ambitious and very hardworking. Hes trying to prove himself. You can sort of see in him from this early period that its kind of, like, ill show them. And i dont care if you reject me, im going to make it anyway, and ill show you. singleengine plane starting up narrator if Clarence Thomas<\/a> struggled in the segregated south, in the middle of america, his future wife, ginni lamp, was living a seemingly pictureperfect life. The thing about the midwest is that the largest feature of the landscape is the sky. Theres, like, over 180 degrees of sky. I suppose a long vista gives you a sense that theres something beyond, you know, theres something more out there. Leave it to beaver. Beaver, whats the matter with your eye . Which eye, mom . audience laughing i remember watching leave it to beaver and thinking, as a child, well, this is, thats, thats my, thats my neighborhood, thats where im growing up. Andthe kind of american dreaml, this is, thlocalethats my, in the 1960s and early 70s. Narrator Kurt Andersen<\/a> grew up across the street from ginni. Where we lived was this prosperous, allwhite neighborhood. Except for the housekeepers and cleaners, it was easy to go for days, weeks, months, forever, without seeing black people, frankly, is what it s. hits ball, crowd applauds she came om within almost a walled bastion, you know . Narrator scott bange was her high school boyfriend. There was no exposure in her life to somebody who was a High School Kid<\/a> and drank, or smoked weed, or did all those things that i thought were normal and High School Kid<\/a>s did. She was a pretty good little girl. She was just kind of a nonexceptional, you know, middleofthepack girl in these giant classes of 750 people. cheerleaders cheering she was involved in things like pep club. And then she became something they called warrior woman. She would, like, lead the marching band, and all these, you know, people carrying pennants and whatnot. Narrator but at home, there was something underneath the everyday suburban veneer. Shes the youngest child of a very prosperous real estate developer. Her mom was a homemaker and political activist. They were leading what looked outwardly like a idyllic suburban lifestyle. Ive heard ginni thomas say that she was sort of the mistake child, that she was born a lot later. So her parents were very politically engaged. They thought they were done having children, and then comes along ginni. They would take her to these republican rallies, and so she grew up with republican activism. And, and obviously, it took, right. Narrator it was a republican activism beyond the norm, even in conservative omaha. I first became familiar with the lamps from my parents talking about them as what they called black hats. That was their phrase for extreme, farright, john birchy republicans. Narrator the lamps were immersed in a growing culture of rightwing fearmongering, like this film from supporters of president ial candidate barry goldwater. Our streets are not safe. Immorality begins to flourish. Violence pits american against american. We dont want this. Its there in this film. Shots of the city, of newsstands with pornography on it. And fast cars and, and kids doing the twist, and topless dancing and the whole realm of cultural, you know, bogeymen. Demoralization, chaos this is the change, the other america that the people slowly wake up to. In the streets, the mob. Mobocracy. Narrator as ginni was growing up, the conflicts of the 1960s were being broadcast on television. And i say, segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever audience cheering there you are, a preteen, and youre a sponge, right . In a march this morning to the county courthouse at selma, alabama. protesters chanting television had really expanded. The whole black nation has to be put together as a black army. Everything came right into your living room, so to speak, every night. Narrator in response, the lamps were drawn to the John Birch Society<\/a>. film music playing the civil rights movement, as we know it today, is simply part of a Worldwide Movement<\/a> organized and directed by communists to enslave all mankind. The John Birch Society<\/a> became a code word for very faroutthere, rightwing beliefs and activities. Their objective is not communist conquest, its anarchy, breakdown of law and order, helplessness narrator for young ginni, it left an impression. You can see so many echoes in the John Birch Society<\/a> of what became qanon and other sort of farright radical conspiracy theories. And, you know, this was very sort of blackandwhite point of view that made politics into war. That was the kind of the mindset that ginni lamp grew up in. vhs tape loading in gullah, the name of this poem is dem four gals, okay . Narrator as a child, clarence had grown up speaking the language of the enslaved people of georgia. Its called gullah geechee. And when we greeted people, we said, how onuh da do . We used to call it pidgin english, but i think it was a french flavor to it. Narrator as one of only two black students attending a high school seminary, the vestiges of that dialect made him a target of ridicule. That hes different, it also reminds them not only does it remind everybody around him that hes of a lower caste. It has to be monumental for him. Father coleman told me matteroffactly that i didnt speak standard english and that i would have to learn how to talk properly if i didnt want to be thought inferior. His blunt words hit me like a slap in the face. Narrator that moment stuck with him for the rest of his life. shutter clicks clarence, when he got really relaxed, would revert to some of those ways of phrasing and that accent. But he was always extremely conscious of how he pronounced words. Because he had been forced to do that. When the justice was on the high court, he was famous for not speaking during oral argument. And one of the explanations he would offer for that was because he was embarrassed about how he talked, even though that was so far in the past, that no one who knows the presentday Clarence Thomas<\/a> would think that that would be a concern of his. But it indeed was. Narrator his days living in the white seminary shaped him in other ways, too. He was in a dormitory, living on that campus. So it had to be tough. You know, when somebody says something derogatory to you in that environment, you got to deal with it, because youre there 24 7. At night, before hed go to sleep now and then, you know, thered be laughter in the room and someone would say, clarence, smile so we can see you, that kind of thing. When they put the lights out at night, his peers would shout, bleep , bleep , bleep , bleep , like, for, like, you know. Hours at night, keep him up. Narrator after he entered the major seminary, one event would become a turning point. I have some very sad news for all of you, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther<\/a> king was shot and was killed tonight in memphis, tennessee. audience screams after Martin Luther<\/a> king is assassinated, that day, he hears his fellow seminarians say, good, i hope the s. O. B. Dies. You know, it, its crushing to him. Its absolutely crushing. Our hero is murdered, and youre dancing on his grave, so to speak . These are not my people, the people who would dance on his grave. What am i doing with them . Where am i . Who am i . This kind of thing. You begin to ask yourself, what am i buying into here . I tore off the beliefs i had learned from the nuns. I knew what was wrong, who to bla for it, and what to do about it. I was an angry black man. That seminary was too much for him. He had to leave. It was heartwrenching. Not only did he leave the religion that sustained him, but he was also living there. And so, he had to go back to this household where he was treated like, like a dog. It had to be tremendously painstaking. Youre going to disappoint so many people your grandfather, the black community, the black Catholic Community<\/a> in savannah. All, all these people are looking for you to be the first black priest. The grandfathers saying, what, youre leaving the seminary . You know, youre out of my house, im cutting you off. Youre not going to be supported. And again, thomas is abandoned, right . Hes left alone, hes left to fend for himself. Im finished helping you, he said. Youll have to figure it out yourself. Youll probably end up like your nogood daddy, or those other nogood pin point negroes. Instead of the grandfather being sympathetic and compassionate and, and loving and hugging him and saying, i love you no matter what, or whatever a normal person would do, he excoriated him and told him that he was a failure and expressed his dire disappointment. Narrator over the years, thomas would downplay this image of his grandfather and express admiration for the man who gave him a home as a child. I mean, the grandfather is in the title of his autobiography. My grandfathers son. Thats how he thought of himself. But the picture that he paints in that book is completely the opposite of how clarence described his grandfather to me. audience cheering so, uh. My thanks to all of you, and now its on to chicago and lets win there. audience cheering whistling and cheering one day, i turned on the radio while making my sandwich. people screaming senator kennedy has been shot, is that possible . And heard that Bobby Kennedy<\/a> had been shot. My god, senator kennedy has been shot. I fell to my knees and burst into tears. Thats it, rafer, get it get the gun, rafer okay, now hold onto the guy i felt the blind, selfdestructive rage that haunted so many of the people i knew. And the crowd is running and the police are chasing them into jackson, into grant park. Surely the time for politeness and nonviolent protest was over. Look what it had done for dr. King and Bobby Kennedy<\/a>. people yelling gun fires we arent going to put up with their nonsense, with their irrationality, with their murder any longer. The more injustice i saw, the angrier i became. Were going to shoot the cops who are shooting our Black Brothers<\/a> in the back in this country, thats where were gonna do it and the angrier i became, the more injustice i saw. sirens blaring and the more i read about the black power movement, the more i wanted to be a part of it. speaking swahili which means we shall conquer without a doubt. Black power audience cheering narrator now Clarence Thomas<\/a>, budding campus radical, would pursue hieducation elsewhere. He received a scholarship to a private college in msachusetts. Holy cross, holy cross hear the songs of holy cross athe point when Clarence Thomas<\/a> got into holy cross, the school was actually actively looking for black students. The president of holy cross, john e. Brooks, whset up this program, described it as affirmative action. Thats what, what opened the doors for him. Narrator holy cross catholic, allmale. More than 2,000 white students. 27 black students. Many of them as frustrated as clarence was. I was pissed off. I had evolved from being hopeful to being pissed off. A lot of young people in america was pissed off. And they werent seeking a, a reconciliation. Okay . They were seeking a coup. Change the whole thing. We all involved in it i was involved in the protests, he was. Literally everybody who went up there. And we, those of us from the south, we were right there with them, saying, yeah, man, we, we want to push. He definitely was inspired by the black panthers. He dressed like them, he talked like them. shutter clicking he had a beret, he had army fatigues, and he had the army boots. He wore a afro. He was out there with everyone else. I think it was positive because he had a, he had a group. He became part of his group. I dont know if he had a wellformed political philosophy before he got to holy cross. It may be he was simply going along. But the years 1968, 1969, gosh, i was there, and the foes of conformity to a sense of outraged fury, resistance, the throwing o of oppression by any means necessary, it was very seductive, it was very compelling to many, many people, among whom was Clarence Thomas<\/a>. Narrator and he had a hero, malcolm x. We want freedom by any means necessary. We want justice by any means necessary. We want equality by any means necessary. Narrator he had a poster of malcolm x in his dorm room. Justice thomas boasted at one point he had read all of his speeches. And he said, at one time, he could quote you some of them by heart. I mean, so he really did Pay Attention<\/a> to malcolm x. We are oppressed, we are exploited. We are downtrodden. We are denied not only civil rights, but even human rights. Narrator Clarence Thomas<\/a>s activism culminated in his jior year, as protests broke out 40 miles away in harvard square. An estimated 2,000 radical students from the Greater Boston<\/a> area decided to march to cambridge and continue demonstrating. We drank our way to harvard square, where our disorderly parade deteriorated into a fullscale riot. The demonstration then turned into the most extreme civil disorder in cambridge history. 4,000 students against 2,000 police. people shouting the police fired rounds of tear gas into the crowd, but that didnt deter us, and we kept on rioting well into the night. I got back to campus at 4 00 in the morning, horrified by what id just done. All over the United States<\/a> yesterday, there were antiwar protests, most of them peaceful. One was not, at Harvard University<\/a> last night. Nearly 200 people were injured. 40 students were arrested. I had let myself be swept up by an angry mob for no good reason other than that i, too, was angry. Its certainly something he talks about a lot. Here i am in harvard square, in, like, this miniriot, like, what am i doing here . Right . What am i doing . Narrator he was conflicted about what hed done, who he was, what he stood for. I dont think anything about Clarence Thomas<\/a> is simple. I mean, hes a bundle of contradictions. And it seems like theres just always so much inner tension within him. Yes, he was radical, like his peers, but not as radical. And he broke with them in various ways. And hes always breaking with whatever the dominant political trope is. He says, you know, hes always talking about how hes not going to do whats fashionable. He wants to be different. Narrator he set about remaking himself. Gone was the black panther uniform. Proving his grandfather wrong, he excelled at school, graduating near the top of his class. And the next day, he married his college girlfriend, kathy ambush. I asked him, why did you marry her . And he said, because she was the first woman who was nice to me. He always had, um, a problem with women. He regarded himself as not attractive at all. He regarded women as being pretty mean to him, or indifferent to him. And this was the first woman who did not show that. So he married her. laughs i would like to thank my husband, fred for letting me come today. audience laughs and applaud i love to say that because it irritates the womens libbers more than anything that i say. audience laughing Phyllis Schlafly<\/a> was a colorful, dynamic, antifeminist, rightwing reactionary. Narrator as ginni lamp was growing up, Phyllis Schlafly<\/a> was a role model. Her mother, marjorie, was a prominent member of schlaflys group. The american women do not want e. R. A. , they do not want abortion, they do not want lesbian privileges, and they do not want universal child care in the hands of the government. audience cheering and applauding what she saw in Phyllis Schlafly<\/a> and her mom was no excuses. You dont need affirmative action. You dont need womens kind of special accommodations. You make your own fate, you create your own path, and you lean in. It doesnt have to be the liberal way. You can also do it the republican way. Narrator they were waging a battle against the e. R. A. , equal rights amendment. This one woman, schlafly, pretty much singlehandedly stopped a whole movement and killed the equal rights amendment. Really was an example of what you could do as a conservative woman leading a crusade. And we can build this into a Mighty Movement<\/a> that can set america on the right path. Then conquer we must for our cause it is just, and this be our motto in god is our trust. audience applauds ginnis inspired. She wants to go into politics, she wants to go to law school. She wants to be like this and like her mom. Narrator ginni watched as her mom ran for the state gislature and wrote dozens of letters to the editor of the local newspaper. Arent you all getting sick and tired of the news media and liberals taking off in all directions to persecute republicans, particularly president nixon and Vice President<\/a> agnew . Mrs. Donald g. Lamp. Narrator by 12, ginni was writing her own letters. I am 12 years old, but i dont understand why they can ban all products with cyclamates in them when they arent even sure they cause cancer. Why dont they ban cigarettes . They know cigarettes cause cancer. Ginni lamp. Narrator she would become a page at the republican womens conference. To you, the great silent majority. Narrator following her mom to see richard nixon. My fellow americans, i ask for your support. Instead of, as so many teenagers do, faced with that at that time, reject it and go get high and wear jeans and tell their parents to get out of here, she obviously embraced it and kept embracing it and never stopped embracing it. Its simply saying, yesmom and dad, im just like you, and im proud to be just like you. In many families, you dont talk about politics at the dinner table, right . But that was important to her parents. And it leads to that manichaeistic view between good and evil. And if you look at things in terms of good and evil, you end up angry, youre bitter, you dont accept defeats. So it takes you to a, a really dark place, when politics is your focus. To the tables down at morys to the place where louie dwells narrator after holy cross, Clarence Thomas<\/a> was off to a very different world once again Yale Law School<\/a>. Sing the whiffenpoofs assembled narrator it was a chance to leave pin point far behind, defy his grandfathers prophecy, and get positioned to make real money. We know what the reputation of yale is. You got a network of folks in all walks of life in the lal community, and all you gotta say is, man, im a yale alum, and bam, you got a job. That was our perception. He had thought, well, you know what . Ill just go, go make me a bunch of money, maybe go to new york and be a lawyer. bell tolling narrator he and kathy moved into married student housing. They made a connection with their neighbor. When we were both in married student housing, he set up his study room in what should have been, you know, a joint storage room. Narrator his classmate, john bolton. camera shutter clicking . Would become u. N. Ambassador, undersecretary of state, and National Security<\/a> adviser. And we started talking and talked for the next two years, basically. And thats where we got to know each other. Narrator over time, thomas would open up to bolton. I dont think he was terribly happy at the law school. Look, people at Yale Law School<\/a>, generically speaking, are a pretty arrogant group. They think that theyre going to rule the world. For example, in the year ahead of us were bill and hillary clinton. That was kind of the atmosphere. I dont think clarence came with that in mind for himself. And i think it was kind of offputting. There are other black students there, but again, the black students who are there, like, he doesnt feel they are like him. Hes not part of the elite. Theyre, in his mind, privileged kids, you know . The sons and daughters of doctors and lawyers. So he feels, again, like the outcast he believed that people assumed he was there as a, as a beneficiary of affirmative action, and it grated on him. He has this feeling of, oh, im around these white students who he senses question his presence at yale. How is it that you not just you, Clarence Thomas<\/a> but you, all you black students, are here . Is it because of merit or is it because of affirmative action . There was one law professor, ralph winter, who in a challenging way mentioned this, people dont think, you know, you deserve to be here. That kind of thing. And thomas doesnt take it as a challenge, he takes it as a slight. Narrator rather than try to fit in, thomas tried to stand out. He dressed in overalls and a tshirt. It was kind of a uniform. But neither one of us was terribly rich, so i, i didnt wear overalls, but i understood what it meant for him. With Clarence Thomas<\/a>, what you see is somebody whos isolating himself. And hes kind of saying, you know, i dont want to try to join you, maybe because hes, doesnt want to be rejected again. bell tolling narrator after three years of Yale Law School<\/a>, graduatias but arencemat getting the offers he expected from prestigious law firms. He was saying that he wasnt getting the kind of offers that other students were getting. And, and we couldnt understand it. We thought that, well, you know, youre at yale, and if youre not getting offers, something, somethings wrong, you know . Because thats the whole purpose of going to those schools. Narrator thomas would never forget the sting of those rejections. shutter clicks he said he would keep stacks of rejection letters he had gotten from law firms. Even when he was, like, a Supreme Court<\/a> justice, he had these letters just to sort of remind him of those, again, this feeling of rejection by kind of the elite law firms. He had his yale law degree, and he had a tencent stamp stuck to it. You know, like, a tencent price tag stuck to it . cause he was, like, yeah, this is what its worth, right, ten cents, right, no more. Narrator he came to blame affirmative action for the rejection he felt. Now i knew what a law degree from yale was worth when it bore the taint of racial preference. I was humiliated and desperate. He thought that his degree was devalued, that he didnt get the same kind of cachet out of the degree once he was looking for a job and trying to move in his career. He assumed that others were assuming that its a yale law degree, but with an asterisk next to it. I disagree. I disagree totally. shutter clicks narrator Orion Douglass<\/a> had a strikingly similar academic journey to Clarence Thomas<\/a>s. shutter clicks scholarship to holy cross, law school. shutter clicks eventually becoming a judge. How are you going to blame affirmative action for not getting a job when you never was offered the job for 100 years before, okay . chuckles the system was still there. The infrastructure for separation, discrimination was still there. It was still the segregated miset of white america. crowd cheering narrator Ronald Reagans<\/a> president ial campaign rocked the world of conservative republicans. Thank you very much. Narrator they called it a revolution. And ginni and her mom were there, watching as reagan used a catchy phrase to describe it. For those whove abandoned hope, well restore hope and well welcome them into a Great National<\/a> crusade to make America Great<\/a> again. crowd cheering narrator ginni headed to washington, hoping to do her part break into politics. I spoke to her brother russell, and he said, you know, mom was a big politician and ginni wanted to be like mom. And i think ginni actually came to washington thinking that she might run for congress one day. She was prodigious. She worked very hard, morning, noon, and night. And certainly didnt need anybody to light a fire under her. She was very, very anxious to perform and to deliver. She was young. She was fairly new washington. She was someone who wanted to do things in the world, wanted to accomplish something, had a sense of being on a mission. Narrator but washington was a far cry from life in omaha. shutter clicks she got to washington, brighteyed and idealistic from the midwest, and her mom and dad werent there, her older siblings werent around. Its easy to get lost in washington. People drink. People sleep with their bosses. People do all kinds of crazy things. Narrator during this time, ginni suffered a traumatic experience, something she later described in people magazine. I was once sexually harassed at work. It wasnt verbal harassment, it was physical. It was something i had put way down in the recesses of my mind. She had mentioned to me that shed had an incident with Sexual Harassment<\/a>. She didnt want to get into the details of it, so i didnt know much about it. I just knew that there had been some trauma involved and she was someone who felt kind of alone in the world, and was looking for not only companionship, but for the tools that she needed to reattach to the world to create the relationships that she thought would make her healthier. vhs tape loading narrator she was drawn to a controversial Selfhelp Group<\/a> called lifespring. In your life, up until now, whether you consider yourself successful or not, youve really done the best you can. This program is an invitation for you to open up new areas for success. The program gave her a sense of belonging, a group of other searchertype people who felt lost or lonely, who now came together and go through a deeply intense experience of exposing their emotions to one another, hugging a lot, crying together. It does not hurt, it feels wonderful audience cheering all right im okay she was deeply impressed. Shes felt that she had been reborn almost. It was a spiritual, religious experience for her. vhs tape loading, music playing at first, ginni was feeling pretty good about it, and felt like it was maybe, you know, strengthening her, but then there were some troubling exercises. shouting woman panting, man shouting encouragement sobbing loudly nobody ever held me. One of them was something called the stripper, where they, they stood in a ushape and they disrobed, they took off their clothes, and they made fun of peoples bodies and the fat people. And she realized that this was sort of more than just a spiritual journey. That there was just some kind of cultlike stripping down of the self. And it was dangerous. Narrator ginnis parents and closest friends were also worried. Ginni felt that shed been misled, led astray. And so, she wanted to get out. people talking softly and she turned to a deprogrammer, a counselor, for help in getting out. She was somebody who had been to hell and back and she was going to stand up and speak publicly about, you know, about saving others from the similar, a similar fate. She was angry that she had fallen victim to a group like this. When she goes into something, she does it fully, with all her heart. And when she leaves something and feels betrayed, and angry, she is against it with all her heart. I spoke to her minister. And i guess he gave me the greatest insight into he he said that shes a very, very trusting person that you have to be careful with. He told me that he thought it was that kind of trusting quality that led her to lifespring, that she believed in, in them until, until she was burned. How are you . answers softly camera shutter clicking chuckles if youre interested in it, i got you a jar of jellybeans for your birthday. laughing narrator he was 38 years old, in the oval office, with the president of the United States<\/a>. Hes one of the highestranking African American<\/a> officials in the government, and hes seen as someone, you know, certainly on the rise. People already are eyeing him, thinking, well, maybe we could get this guy prepared for a Supreme Court<\/a> seat. Narrator ed paid his dues by being the front man for reagan on issues of race. I think that the president is, has, has really been treated unfairly in the media with respect to his views on minorities. Narrator especially affmative action, which thomas came to see as deeply flawed and insincere. Where you do run into the conflict is when you have a system set up under the guise of affirmative action that is called preferential treatment. Hes playing the role of a black conservative. Hes, hes playing the role of a black reaganite. The president has been singularly supportive. He supports us where it counts. Hes giving the Reagan Administration<\/a> cover, so that when people say, you know, the Reagan Administration<\/a> is racist, reagan can say, well, you know, you cant say that. Look at these. shutter clicks look, look at these people over here. Look at this guy, Clarence Thomas<\/a>. Hes black. I support you. Look at what hes saying, hes, hes with us. Thank you, this has been the highlight of my career. Im a little bit nervous. chuckles thank you very much. Okay. Narrator for Clarence Thomas<\/a>, it had been a long journey to the white house. Unable to get a prestigious job out of law school, hed settled for a lowpaying job as a staff lawyer for the Republican Attorney<\/a> general for missouri, Jack Danforth<\/a>. When i first met clarence, i told him that i would offer him more work on less pay than anybody else interviewing at Yale Law School<\/a>. And he took the job. Narrator he followed danforth to the United States<\/a> senate, where he worked as a staffer. Danforth offers Clarence Thomas<\/a> a job in washington, which is kind of a turning point in Clarence Thomas<\/a>s career. Hes, has said that he wants to a big courtroom litigator and make a ton of money, but thats not really happening. I think at this point, what you can see is, hes ambitious. He decides maybe he can make it in goverent. He can get to the top there faster than in corporate america. siren blaring narrator but as he rose in washington, there was trouble in his personal life. Moving to washington had done nothing to ease the dissatisfaction i felt with my marriage. I hated myself for my inability to be the loving, devoted husband kathy deserved. Narrator his marriage was falling apart. He was struggling to raise his young son and dealing with crippling debt. Theyre young. They had a son early. It was very difficult, i think, to keep that marriage together in the early years. And i think they just kind of drifted apart. I grew despondent and resigned. I drank more heavily than ever before. I knew i was on the road to trouble. When i first met clarence, he, more than anything else, is a very angry person. He was selfmedicating when i met him with alcohol. Narrator Lillian Mcewen<\/a> was a lawyer for senator joe biden on the judiciary committee. She met thomas as he was going through a divorce. Clarence was in the midst of a lot of changes in his life, and so i would pretty much just listen to whatever it was that he had to say about his childhood, about what was going on with him. Narrator as they began dating, lillian found clarence to be ambitious and determined. I would say that every act that clarence performed at work and socially was always geared toward getting ahead and making sure that he was doing what was necessary to take the next step, whatever that was. The idea has already occurred to him by 1981 that if he plays his cards right, he could be on the Supreme Court<\/a>. Hes telling people that. 1981. This is so long before it happens. But hes got a plan in the back of his mind. And he knows that he needs to keep doing the right things, punching the right cards, meeting the right people, making the right friends, and it might happen. Narrator one important step he had joined a small circle of conservative black republicans. Youre an ambitious, you know, black person. You have a Yale Law School<\/a> degree. It makes a lot of sense to go where the, where the line is shorter. Its, its a long line in, you know, with the democrats. A lot, a lot of people over there. Much shorter line with e republicans. Narrator hed been tilting conservative since leaving law school, and now began to flesh out his conservative ideology. He reconnected with his former yale classmate. At one point, he said, can you send me some books or something that might be worth reading . And so i put together a bunch of things i thought he might be interested in reading and sent them out. I think he went through, clearly, an evolution. He had certainly become much more conservative, really out of, outside of Yale Law School<\/a>, out in the real world. Youve heard about Clarence Thomas<\/a>, but not by name. He is one of the black people now on center stage in american politics. He is a republican. Narrator thomas would put himself in the spotlight, making controversial comments in the Washington Post<\/a>. Thomas is also a man who has a sister on welfare back in his home state of georgia, but he feels that he must be opposed to welfare because of the dependency it can breed in a person. She [his sister] gets mad when the mailman is late with her welfare check, he says. That is how dependent she is. Whats worse is that now her kids feel entitled to the check, too. They have no motivation for doing better or getting out of that situation. It hit pretty hard. Folks in savannah, their first reaction was, why would you talk about your sister in public . You know, we, we dont do that. Thats not black savannah. You know, if you got something to say about your sister, you dont like what she did or whatever, you dont publicize that. You know, you keep that in the family. Narrator but ineagans washington, the article propelled thomas. Ronald reagan, you know, was famous for denouncing welfare queens. So, wow, you know, here is, you know, a Yale Law School<\/a> graduate whos African American<\/a> and whos talking about how terrible it is that his sister was on welfare. shutter clicks that was like manna from heaven for ronald reagan. Narrator reagan elevated thomas to run the e. E. O. C. , the equal Employment Opportunity<\/a> commission. This is a real journey that Clarence Thomas<\/a> makes, from modest, humble origins to the top of ones profession, and, ultimately, to a leading position in american government. Narrator now, for the first time in his life, Clarence Thomas<\/a> was in charge. But people who knew him then saw disturbing changes. His personality, his aggressiveness sexually everything changed. He became a different person after he, after he got that job. He stopped drinking alcohol, so he was not selfmedicating anymore, and his mood swings were quite obvious. He never really seemed to be anyone who took any particular joy in anything, unless it was denigrating someone or somebody. And then hed just guffaw after he made such a comment. shutter clicks narrator Angela Wright<\/a> was thomass communications director. I think he really, really wanted to, um, just sort of prove to conservative white people that, you know, he was their guy. He just took such pride in denigrating black people. He is taking stereotypes and laughing at them, and making white people feel comfortable in his presence because hes the first one to make the racial joke. He comes up with derogatory nicknames for people. He bullies some of the weaker people. He makes fun of them. Hes supposed to be running an organization that protects, for instance, older people in the workplace, and he tells his underlings to get rid of an older guy in the office cause hes too old. He says, hes got one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. There was a woman on his staff who was a little person, and i remember him specifically saying forgive my language, but this is what he said she got that big ass. Despite the fact that Sexual Harassment<\/a> was against the law, people just let it roll off. Narrator eventually, thomas fired Angela Wright<\/a> and Lillian Mcewen<\/a> concluded shed had it with clarence. I, i just couldnt tolerate it anymore. And i didnt like what he was becoming. I didnt like the speeches that he was giving. I didnt like the positions that he was taking. I didnt like the embrace that he was getting fromhe most horrible people in the republican party. I, i couldnt tolerate it. This was his plan. This was his karma. This was how he wanted to go through the world. And, but i wanted nothing to do with it. Narrator ginni lamp finally met the man of her dreams. We first met in the spring of 1986 at an affirmative action conference in new york city. Clarence was then e. E. O. C. Chairman. I was a Labor Relations<\/a> attorney at the u. S. Chamber of commerce. When she sat in that meeting with him for the first time and saw him, what she saw, in her own words, was a powerful man. And they kind of strike up a friendship at this conference. Theyre both there speaking. They get a cab together, you know, and that kind of, you know, touches off this romance. She shared a taxi with him to the airport. When she asked him, how do you feel about being a black man in the Reagan Administration<\/a> . How do you deal with critics . And he pulled out his wallet and, and found, and showed her the prayers that he recites every day that kind of fortify him. Keep a clear eye toward lifes end. Do not forget your purpose and destiny as gods creature. She said it was a humbling experience, seeing a person who lived their values, their christian values. For her, i think that was the moment of connection. Narrator just a few months later, ginni and clarence we engaged. The whole thing is so improbable, its a novel. Its a novel i wouldnt believe. Its just that these people in such dissimilar worlds end up getting together and being of such enormous political consequence. You cant make it up, its so extraordinary. Narrator but they had important similarities. Clarence thomas is at odds with the civil rights movement. Hes against affirmative action. Ginni thomas is at odds with the feminist movement and shes opposed to equal pay for women. In some ways, they really have a lot in comn politically and in terms of sort of where they position themselves in sort of opposition to the, the politics of their, their own generation. Narrator soon,ut in omaha, ginni lamp. shutter clicks . Became ginni thomas. When she got married to Justice Thomas<\/a> back in omaha, she didnt tell people that she was marrying a black man. She just said, im getting married. And so the guests show up at the wedding and theyre shocked that he, shes marrying a black guy. And one of her relatives was quoted in the Washington Post<\/a> as saying, well,e were surprised when he turned out to be black. But, you know, when we got to know him, hes so good to her, that it made up for him being black. chuckling and so it was obvious this person, and maybe others, thought him ing black was a bad thing. Narrator those who knew him from his black power days at holy cross were also surprised. Thomas, when he was a student at holy cross, he was. chuckles he was sort of adamantly opposed to interracial marriage. He thought that black people should marry black people, and, you know, we should embrace as community. And he would even point out interracial couples. I find it a little ironic to evolve from that position to being married to a white lady. Okay, well, thats how life does it. I never thought when he was at holy cross that hed be part of Ronald Reagans<\/a> team, also. But you follow the path that god puts before us. chuckling and i guess god sent him to ginni, i dont know. I leave that up between them. siren blaring a stunning decision at the supme court. Thurgood marshall announced his retirement from the Supreme Court<\/a> today. On a court thats leaning to the conservative right, his departure signals a major change for the court. The great thurgood marshall, mr. Civil rights, retires. Im old audience laughs im getting old and coming apart. The search is on for a Supreme Court<\/a> nominee with the retirement of Justice Thurgood<\/a> marshall. Is the president expecting pressure to appoint another black american . You bet he is, peter, i think that pressure is bound to be forthcoming. The washington rumor mill has gone into overdrive this morning trying to figure out. President bush said he would pick someone representative of all americans. B should that person be black . Well, i am very pleased to announce that i will nominate Clarence Thomas<\/a> to serve as associate justice of the United States<\/a> Supreme Court<\/a>. Clarence thomas is nomited. Now, you know, immediately, there are certain things that happen that, you know, get my attention. First, did race have anything to do with this . What i did was look for the best man. And the fact that he is black and a minority has nothing to do with this in the sense that he is the best qualified at this time. Well, i mean, you know, who believes that . Clarence thomas stands to be one of the great beneficiaries in American Life<\/a> of affirmative action. chuckling mr. President . coughs narrator he was only 43 years old. Hed spent just one year as a federal Appeals Court<\/a> judge. But hed built a strong repution as a conservative and strong connections with washington republicans. He got that through networking. He was in the right place at the right time. He had the right support, people behind him. He was connected pretty well. He has settled on the 43yearold Appeals Court<\/a> judge Clarence Thomas<\/a>. Replacing the courts first and only African American<\/a> with another African American<\/a>. Reaction has been flowing and ricocheting ever since. Clarence thomas is a selfmade man with many selfmade enemies. Liberals have been scared about Clarence Thomas<\/a> for years. What impact will Clarence Thomas<\/a> have on the high court . chuckles i thought id be able to sneak in. Oh, shush. laughing man speaking indistinctly laughing yeah. laughing thanks. Have a good day. Thanks, now. people cheering and applauding he could not have been prepared for the mob of still photographers, tv cameras, reporters, police, and senators which engulfed him this morning. It promises to be a political, ideological, and cultural event of historic proportions. gavel banging the hearing will come to order. Good morning, judge. Welcome to the blinding lights. The democrats, politically, they were in a very difficult position. Its very difficult to attack an African American<\/a> judge, and they wanted to befriend him, not attack him. Certainly that was true for biden. Heck, youre six, seven years younger than im 48. How old are you, judge, 42, 43 . Well, ive aged over the last ten weeks, but. audience laughs im 43. 43 years old. He was advised i know this to be very careful, to be very modest. Theyre going to ask you about every controversial issue that has ever come before the Supreme Court<\/a>. shutter clicks in the area of civil rights. I dont remember or recall participating. Hes told to just basically sit there like a potted plant and dont say too much. Its insulting in a way, but he, he does. He, he does what hes told. shutter clicks i think that to take a position would undermine my ability to be impartial. There did come a point at which ople said, well, hold it. Uh, you know, maybe you dont know enough to be a justice. shutter clicks . Um, would undermine my impartiality. shutter clicks . Really undermine my ability to be impartial. It, it was just laughable. Clarence thomas basically played the role so well as a cipher that hed said things that seemed, just on the surface, very hard to believe, such as that he had never, ever debated the roe v. Wade decision. What im trying to do, senator, is to respond to your question and at the same time not offer a particular view on this difficult issue of abortion that would undermine my impartiality. It plays into his fears, if you will. Because hes very sensitive, more than that, to how people perceive him. He worries aut how people see him as a black man, so that had to bother him. gavel pounding narrator but as the hearings concluded, it seemed like confirmation was imminent. Senator Jack Danforth<\/a> had shepherded thomas through the process. I can remember thinking, well, weve got, you know, however many votes. There was no question that he was going to get confirmed. So weve got this. So it was, i just felt. You know, i didnt feel threatened, or that there was any threat at all. Clarence thomas ran into trouble today. Questions are growing over charges of Sexual Harassment<\/a> against thomas. The fbi did indeed interview anita hill, a former subordinate of thomass. The effect was to create chaos and a great deal of uncertainty about what would happen to Clarence Thomas<\/a>s nomination. With the potential for political explosion on capitol hill. It was one of those explosions where no one in washington knew what was going to happen, not even the white house. Trouble today for Clarence Thomas<\/a>, enough trouble that some senators are calling for a postponement of this weeks confirmation vote. These 11thhour Sexual Harassment<\/a> charges stunned washington. Hill emphasized she has nothing to gain by making allegations against thomas and resents those who question her motives. I went out to his house. It was a big media stakeout outside of his house. That was excellent. man mumbles excellent driving. And so i went in. And i have never had an experience like that. And soever. Nt in. Still havent. Because he was a broken man. He was just broken. He couldnt sleep, according to his wife. He was in a fetal position in bed. He couldnt eat. And, uh. It was. Boy, i mean, to see somebody you care about suffering that much . And, um, it, it was just, it was just terrible. I lay across the bed and curled up in a fetal position, tired beyond imagining. I felt like a marathon runner who had hit the wall. All my reserves were used up. gavel banging the stage is set for what everyone anticipates will be a brutal hearing. Narrator later that week, anita hill testified. Now in the Nations Capital<\/a> and before the world, an emotional dispute of historic proportions. Professor, do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you god . I do. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. Narrator thomas was at home. Members of the committee. Narrator he told ginni he wouldnt watch. My name is anita f. Hill. Narrator but she did. His conversations were very vivid. He spoke about acts that he had seen in pornographic films involving such matters as women having sex with animals and films showing group sex or rape scenes. It was incredibly compelling television. You know, she was gorgeous, composed, obviously projecting sincerity. On other occasions, he referred to the size of his own penis as being larger than normal and he also spoke on some occasions of the pleasures he had given to women. exhales . With oral sex. He said that if i ever told anyone of his behavior that it would ruin his career. Theres an anger and suspicion that washes over ginni thomas. She sees others attacking her husband, attacking her, attacking their core beliefs. She sees that outside world thats attacking her as something that needs to be beaten down. Something that needs to be destroyed. It was spiritual warfare. Good versus evil. We were fighting something we didnt understand. We needed god. Its a reprisal of the kind of ideology ginni thomas had from her Birch Society<\/a> days. Um, they regarded the, their opponents as enemies and, and practically, you know, satanic. So she says, youve gotta fight. Fight back against these sort of evil tormentors. Narrator that night, the thomases traveled back to the capitol, to Jack Danforth<\/a>s office. We sat with thomas. He, with Jack Danforth<\/a>, thomas. There werent very many people in the room. And i just looked over, and i said, did this happen . He said, im, im, im torn to bits. This didnt happen. And i told him my theory of political life an attack unanswered is an attack believed. Not only that, but agreed to. And he was teary. I told him that he should go up and look at the senators, and senator ted kennedy was on that program, and he should quote the bible and he should say, judge not that you be not judged; condemn not that you be not condemned, senators. He wouldnt say th. Narrator thomas had Something Else<\/a> in mind. He just sat there in my office, and it was darkened, and it was quiet. That was when he said to me, jack, you know what this is . Its a lynching, its a hightech lynching. I said, clarence, i said, if thats the way you feel, go up and say it. shutters clicking, people murmuring gavel banging shutters clicking pounding slowly the hearing will come to order. shutters clicking Clarence Thomas<\/a> had people standing behind him first and foremost, his wife, who by her presence made it obvious that she believed that these were lies. She had to be there. I felt such anger and revulsion looking at some of those senators. I was watching them and i felt like my eyes were laser beams. They wouldnt ok at me. These little people. They seemed so small, and our purpose seemed so great. Judge. Ugh day and a tough night for you, i know. Let me ask, do you have anything youd like to say . Do you have anything youd like to say . Senator, i would like to start by saying unequivocally, uncategorically, that i deny each and every single allegation against me today thats suggested in any way that i had conversations of a sexual nature or about pornographic material with anita hill, that i ever attempted to date her, that i ever had any personal sexual interest in her, or that i in any way ever harassed her. His testimony was very much, you know, sort of absolute against, stark, blackandwhite, nope. I cant think of a way of reconciling these stories, right, that wouldnt mean that someone perjured, but clearly someone, someone lied. I think that this today is a travesty. I think that it is disgusting. I think something is dreadfully wrong with this country. Thats the real Clarence Thomas<\/a>. Theyve come for me at the jugular. And im a man. I am a man here before you. Im furious about the way im being treated. Youre going to do what youre going to do, but im going to hold a dignified line in defense of my integrity. This is a circus. Its a national disgrace. And from my standpoint, as a black american, as far as im concerned, it is a hightech lynching. You will be lynched, destroyed, caricatured, by a committee of the u. S. , u. S. Senate, rather than hung from a tree. shutters clicking when everything was on the line, he knew what to say. Hightech lynching. snaps there are a lot of people who rush to his side. They disagree with him. laughing they disagree with him about lots of things. But he blew that whistle, and there were lots of black people who immediately went to his side. Were, were sitting there saying, give it to em, clarence, give it to em. We done been here before. We had to live through this in savannah. When they try beat you down, what do you do . You fight back. Thats the way we do it here. And so we were very proud of him and we were roaring him on. Narrator in a moment, the politics had changed. Chairman biden and the committee moved quickly. On this vote, the yeas are 52, and the nays are 48. Narrator within days, Clarence Thomas<\/a> had realized his ambitions. The nomination of Clarence Thomas<\/a> of georgia is hereby confirmed. Narrator a permanent seat on the United States<\/a> Supreme Court<\/a>. But he would never forget those who had opposed him. He invited me to come and visit him in his chambers. And, you know, he. If i were a novelist, this is how i would paint the scene, you know. He sits back in his chair, he puts his feet up on his desk, he takes a puff from a cigar, he says, im going to be here forever. You know theyve had their say. Now, in my leisure, i will have my say. Im here, im planted. Theyre going to have to deal with me. Ill be here forever. He was going to get his, as it were, revenge simply by putting one foot in front of the other, day in, day out, year in, year out. And they can make all the noise, they can scream like banshees. They can scream. But the fact of the matter is, im going to be writing those opinions. shutter clicks he spoke about acts that he had seen in pornographic films. Narrator the anita hill allegations would not go away. shutter clicks i deny each and every single allegation against me today. Well, im just sitting there thinking, clear im just saying, this man is a liar, is what im thinking. Im thinking, lie, lie. shutt clicks narrator bidens Committee Never<\/a> called Angela Wright<\/a> or a number of other witnesses to testify. shutter clicks the comments ranged from pressing me about why i didnt go out with him to remarks about my personal appearance. Anita hill is probably telling the truth, because i can remember him asking me what size my boobs were, asking me about going out with him, even though i had expressed no interest in going out with him. There were other women, and they didnt get a chance to testify. There was the speechwriter, the older woman, rose jourdain, who had, who talked to Angela Wright<\/a> about her experiences. There was a woman named kaye savage who was willing to describe that, that shed gone to Clarence Thomas<\/a>s apartment and that he had a huge interest in pornography. shutter clicks i deny that i had conversations about pornographic material with anita hill. Narrator watching as well, Lillian Mcewen<\/a>, who dated thomas during his time at the e. E. O. C. Clarence is one of those guys who look at women as sexual objects. Thats it. And he doesnt bother to hide it. shutter clicks he talked about pornographic material depicting individuals with large penises or large breasts. He had stacks of magazines with pictures of genitalia and also womens huge breasts. That was pretty much what was. Mens and womens genitalia. chuckles that was pretty much what his, his collection consisted of. Narrator for others, it was the Little Details<\/a> that stood out. shutter clicks he went over to his desk to get the coke, looked at the can, and asked, who has put pubic hair on my coke . I heard him say that before. He said it before. We were in the, uh, hogan campus center, and a group of us black students were walking by. And he says, oh, look. Is that pubic hair on a coke can . Those were the exact words he used then, and i heard it later on, when anita hill spoke it. So, i believe what she said. She was telling the truth. He liked adult films. He made jokes. Thomas was inappropriate and things like that. That all stacked up on anita hills side of the, of the ledger. So, you know, i think if i had to say who lied, it was thomas. Both anita hill and arence thomas were under oath. So one of them was perjuring themselves. And the problem was, if the pit was someonelying was who was going to be one of nine of the most important judges in america for the rest of his life, and for decades to come. Somebody with enormous unchecked power, somebody who could decide the fate of many, many other people. So much was hanging in the balance. And, and it has ever since. wildlife chittering birds cawing shutters clicking, people talking in background narrator Clarence Thomas<\/a> had prevailed, but he saw his accomplishment questioned, even dismissed, once again. Immediately after that confirmation in the early 1990s, i can remember some of these commentators dismissing him, writing him off, giving him the back of his hand, calling him secondrate, stupid, incompetent, venal, and whatever. There are other black americans that are out there that are qualified, that are bright, and i dont think hes qualified. I think hes a secondrate jurist and an opportunist and, and not totally honest about a lot of things. Narrator in those early years, thomas was overshadowed by another conservative justice, antonin scalia. You have scalia, you know, who is this gregarious, big, large figure and is the dominant conservative on thcourt. Look, scalia cast a giant shadow because he was, you know, scalia. Hes one of the most powerful intellects ever to sit on the United States<\/a> Supreme Court<\/a>. Many people looked at thoma as kind of scalia light. You know . Somebody that was not, did not have the heft and the intellectual firepower and the abity to debate. Narrator thomas told people he stopped reading mainstream news. Garbage with anita hill. Narrator instead, he relied on two primary sources his wife and Rush Limbaugh<\/a>. Greetings and welcome back. Rush limbaugh. I knew he didnt do it. I knew Clarence Thomas<\/a> didnt do it. Anita hills stories about Clarence Thomas<\/a> were not true. He would listen to Rush Limbaugh<\/a> when he, as he was doing a long commute, and he would have court staff taperecord it, so he could listen to it when he was commuting. Your attempt to assuage all of your white guilt by supporting obama is worthless, because you know hes not a real black. If any race of people should not have guilt about slavery, its caucasians. shutter clicks narrator the two became close friends. The fear was, Clarence Thomas<\/a> is confirmed, he then becomes the most powerful, influential black man in america. shutter clicks and he is not a democrat and hes not a liberal. Narrator thomas even presided over one of limbaughs weddings. shutter clicks throughout his career, hes been willing to do things that were certainly eyebrowraising. Justice thomas, you know, seemed to relish his close relationship with Rush Limbaugh<\/a> as a way of, you know, giving the finger to people who, you know, he didnt like. A misogynist is a guy who hates women almost as much as women hate women. Narrator thomas was establishing his place in the world of White Conservative<\/a> republicans. He found another group to, to accept him. He had found the conservatives. shutter clicks, people he found the powerful. shutter clicks he found the rich. shutter clicks he found all these other people who will accept him. And not necessarily because they like him, but because hes powerful. Narrator one of those wealthy conservatives was harlan crow. Harlan crow has given millions of dollars to republican candidates, and crow has taken a special interest in funding groups that are involved specifically in trying to shape the law and the courts trying to sort of push the law in a conservative direction. Narrator their friendship was commemorated with a painting. This was a painting that harlan crow commissioned. We have Clarence Thomas<\/a> and harlan crow both smoking cigars, and across from them is leonard leo. Leonard leo is one of the leaders of the federalist society. He is widely regarded as, you know, a principal architect of the Supreme Court<\/a> and the judiciarys turn to the right. Narrator crow even helped fund a documentary thatired on pbs promoting thomas as a humble man. One of clarences biggest loves is when he can get away from washington, d. C. , and be on the road in his motorhome. You know, i dont have any problem with going to europe, but i prefer the United States<\/a>. I prefer the rv parks. I prefer the walmart parking lots. I come from regular k, and i prefer that. I prefer being around that. Narrator but out of the public eye, thomas was living a very different life. Harlan crow has been taking Clarence Thomas<\/a> on luxury vacations, really around the world, for more than 20 years. shutter clicks so were talking flights on his private jet. shutter clicks cruises on his very, very large yacht in places like indonesia and new zealand. shutter clicks stays at harlan crows resort up in the adirondacks. Compared to somebody thats a partner at a big d. C. Law firm that might be making two or three million a year, like, these Supreme Court<\/a> justices a paupers. Thomas could not afford to take the kinds of vacations that crow is, is taking him on. Narrator crow has denied any wrongdoing and thomas says he wasnt required to disclose who paid for the trips, which were worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. It shows that he is comfortable accepting largesse at a scale that has no known precedent in the modern history of the u. S. Supreme court. Narrator and crow paid tens of thousands of dollars for thomass grandnephew to attend private boarding schools. Narrator crow also purchased thomass childhood home directly from him and other relatives. After crow bought thomass mothers house, she continued to live there, for out going on ten years now, which obviously puts crow in the rather unusual position of being the landlord, effectively, to a sitting Supreme Court<\/a> justices mother. Narrator crow even gave ginni thomass conservative Advocacy Group<\/a> 500,000. It paid her a salary of 120,000. When you have a friendship, even if its a genuine friendship, and theres an enormous amount of money being spent by one party on gifts and real estate deals, that, that pushes the relationship into a totally different light. Narrator crow and thomas describe their relationship as a normal friendship. But their ties have raised questions about the high courts independence. And thomass opinions have often been in line with the conservative politics of his friends. In gore v. Bush, he provided one of the crucial five votes for delivering the white house to the republicans. The Democrat Party<\/a> accused the Supreme Court<\/a> of being rigged for bush. Narrator he insisted that key parts of the Voting Rights<\/a> act were unconstitutional. The end of a key element of the Voting Rights<\/a> act of 1965. Narrator he argued against laws regulating guns. What do democrats want . Your guns. Narrator he called for the overturn of roe versus wade. Roses are red, violets are blue, see you later, i aborted you. Narrator and on one of his most personal issues, he declared he would ban affirmative action. Affirmative action is not equality. Clarence thomas, what a godsend. You give me a country run by Clarence Thomas<\/a>, and i would sign up for it tomorrow. Narrator the closer thomas aligned with the conservative world, the greater the divide with the politics and perspective of the world hed grown up in. Look, he voted against the Voting Rights<\/a> act. We grew up in savannah when king was marching and struggling and dying to pass the Voting Rights<\/a> act. How can the African American<\/a> community, how do, how are they to perceive it . And why would he do it . I think the overall opinion in the African American<\/a> community was, hes no longer us, hes them. In many parts of black america, he is not celebrated. In fact, in much of black america, just the opposite, hes derided. His name stands for something. You know, to pull a, to pull a Clarence Thomas<\/a>, that means something. To pull a Clarence Thomas<\/a> means to use your blackness to, you know, reach a high place, and then turn your back on it. That is to pull a Clarence Thomas<\/a>. Gosh, he knows that, and he cannot be happy with that. You want to be thought of as a good black man or woman, not as a traitor, or a turncoat, a sellout. On the other hand, the idea that i will think for myself and i wont be told what to think just because of the color of my skin is one that very powerfully animated Clarence Thomas<\/a>. If somebodys going to tell me im not black because thinking for myself, i arrived at certain conclusions that they didnt like, you question my authenticity . You, you question my legitimacy . I take umbrage at that, i dont, i dont appreciate that. Your call has been forwarded to an automatic voice message system. At the tone, please record your message. voicemail beeps good morning. Anita hill, its ginni thomas. And i just wanted to reach across the airwaves and the years and ask you to consider something. I would love you to consider an apology sometime and some full explanation of why you did what you did with my husband. Narrator it had been nearly two decades since the confirmation hearings. So, give it some thought. I certainly pray about this and hope that one day youll help us understand why you did what you did. Okay have a good day. call ends narrator ginni thomas had been rising inside the republican party. Republican politics keep moving toward her. And it keeps moving right. And there she is, right where its, where its moving, each step along the way. The republican revolution of election 94 moved the whole Political Landscape<\/a> sharply to the right. Narrator when hardright republicans seized control of the house, ginni became an aide to one of the leaders, dick armey. She shared my values, my beliefs, and my understanding of the world. Narrator they called him dr. No. I enjoy calling the left down. Theyre a bunch of damn clowns. I think they should be mocked and ridiculed. And i, and i think they should be given no deference whatsoever. Theyre foolish and selfish. We the people. crowd cheering narrator years later, as the tea party rose up, ginni thomas, the pep rally warrior woman, cheered them on. They think they can intimidate you, they think they can demoralize you. crowd cheering ginni thomas seems to absolutely adore the tea party movement. Are you going to be intimidated . yelling no me, either. Are you gonna be demoralized . yelling no me, either. Im gonna find. These are people who are ordinary people rising up in anger against the government. Its very much kind of an echo of the same strain in american politics that she grew up in in the John Birch Society<\/a>. And these become her people. And they say a storm was coming. They aint seen nothin yet, right . crowd cheers and applauds whoo as republicanism itself has changed and gotten more nationalistic, and more populist, and more aggressive, and, in my view, less defensible, shes sort of blown with those winds, as well. While her husband was very limited she saw herself as having more running room, in what he could do or say politically, more freedom to get out there and play a handson role in rallying and organizing conservatives. She saw herself as on the same mission as her husband, but in a much more partisan, political, handson, practical kind of way. Freedom in response freedom she came to washington hoping to run for congress, and she found another path to power. Shes fully committed to politics. Shes fully committed to her beliefs and her agenda. Shes going to make a difference in the world. She just had to find a different way. Were up against a very big battle. protesters chanting there may be some dark days ahead. chanting u. S. A. u. S. A. i know theres dark days ahead. hail to the chief playing please raise your right hand and repeat after me i, donald john trump, do solemnly swear. Narrator clarence and ginni thomass power reached a new level when donald trump was elected president. Our radical democrat opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice, and rage. They want to destroy you and they want to destroy our country as we know it. crowd cheering donald trump is a divider who, very much like ginni thomas, sort of sees americas political divisions as fights, wars, good versus evil. The radical left are trying to rip our nation apart. Were up against a fascist left, and so this is a battle. Theyre coming for my husband. Theyre coming for president trump. Whats interesting is, she became a voice for pushing trump even further to the right. May we all have guns and concealed carry to handle whats coming, by the way. audience applauds shutters clicking Justice Clarence<\/a> thomas of the Supreme Court<\/a> of the United States<\/a> and mrs. Virginia thomas. Narrator in the trump white house, the thomases were honored guests. And now, after the death of justice scalia, it was Clarence Thomas<\/a> who was feted as a hero of maga republicans. With scalias passing, the attention just started focusing on thomas. People are paying more attention, particularly on the right, to what thomas is saying, and seeing that, as those of us who know him always knew, hes his own man. Narrator trump moved to secure thomass hold on the court, appointing three new conservative justices. I will nominate judge neil gorsuch. Judge brett kavanaugh. Judge Amy Coney Barrett<\/a>. audience cheers and applauds this gave Clarence Thomas<\/a>, for the first time in all the time hed been on the court, a group of justices who would side with him. And it gave him power. He became kind of the leader in many ways of the conservative wing of the court, and the conservative wing of the court ruled. They would have normally called it the roberts court, but everybody began to see it as the thomas court. Narrator ginni thomas was expanding her own influence, too. She had direct access to the white house to lobby the administration. Its no secret that ginni thomas wields power because of who her husband is. She gets doors opened for her. She gets invited into the, the important rooms, into the important discussions. shutter clicks . Because her husband is Clarence Thomas<\/a>. shutter clicks heres ginni being Phyllis Schlafly<\/a>, but at the center of things. shutter clicks of power in washington. Phyllis schlafly never had the persontoperson political ontheground influence, i think, and, and centrality that ginni thomas has carved out for herself. Narrator but then, the 2020 election. The fox news decision desk can now project that former Vice President<\/a> joe biden will win pennsylvania and nevada. He is president electjos. Become the 46th president of the United States<\/a>. Ginni is absolutely shattered. Shes upset in a way that is very sincere and genuine. She truly believes that joe biden is a force of immense evil who is going to destroy america. Remember, joe biden presided over Clarence Thomas<\/a>s confirmation hearings. So ginni views biden not just as any regular presidenal candidate, but as almost a personal enemy. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election. crowd cheering narrator as maga protesters were taking to the streets, ginni thomas was working from the inside. She texted messages to white house chief of staff mark meadows. phone chimes do not concede. It takes time for the army who is gathering for his back. You guys fold, the evil just moves fast down underneath you all. In those text messages, its not just texting mark meadows, its saying that she could send emails to jared kushner. Its that she was working directly with congressional staffs. All of that is revealed. shutter clicks narrator Denver Riggleman<\/a> was a former republican congressman and investigator for the january 6 committee. He helped uncover the text messages. You know, by the first text message, i knew that we had an issue, right . She referring to a bizarre conspiracy theorist who talked about this incredible operation where the Biden Crime Family<\/a> should go to gitmo. And i just, i had to read it about ten times. phone chimes Biden Crime Family<\/a> and ballot fraud coconspirators are being arrested and detained for ballot fraud right now and over coming days, and will be living in barges off gitmo to face military tribunals for sedition. Ginni had something of a break with reality, because even though weve seen her say a lot of stuff thats out there, we had not until this point seen her promote conspiracy theories on the level of qanon with such vigor and certitude. phone chimes make a plan. Release the kraken ansave us from the left taking america down. Narrator riggleman is convinced Justice Thomas<\/a> had to know what his wife was doing, even though the couple has said they keep their work lives separate. When you have the wifof a Supreme Court<\/a> justice whos, who, they both have called each other their best friends, and said that they do everything together, it would defy common sense to think that they werent discussing this. phone chimes this is spiritual warfare, as you must feel, mark it is about america continuing, and this lonely leader and man. We are living through what feels like the end of america. Amazing times. The end of liberty . She has this very dark, manichaean view. Youre either good or youre evil, and everything is a battle between good and evil. And no wonder, then, she advocates extreme steps in her texts to mark meadows, because for her, the battle between biden and trump, just like the battle between republicans and democrats on anything, its good versus evil. Were good, theyre evil. chanting fight for trump fight for trump narrator on the morning of january 6. We will never concede. Narrator . As Trump Supporters<\/a> gathered, ginni thomas was there among the crowd. phone chimes . Posting on facebook. Its unprecedented and extraordinary that the wife of a Supreme Court<\/a> justice, one of nine, whos on the court for life, ththat she wasof a basically advocatinge, for the overthrow of democracy in america. phone chimes god bless each of you standing up or praying. I mean, its a scary thought. Its a dangerousfeeling situation. protesters shouting narrator not long after ginni thomas says she left. clamoring narrator . Trump supporters breached the capitol in an attempt to overturn the election. shouting and fighting gavel pounds oyez, oyez, oyez. The Supreme Court<\/a> of the United States<\/a> is now sitting. gavel pounds narrator Clarence Thomas<\/a>s prominence on the Supreme Court<\/a> continues to grow. Just as trump is leaving office, thomas is coming into his own and commanding a true majority on the court. And once again, the stakes are enormously high. Clarence thomas and his fellow conservatives are set to dominate on issues like affirmative action, Voting Rights<\/a>, religion, free speech. The thomas court is not just extremely conservative, but extremely uninterested in concepts of judicial restraints and respect for precedent. The thomas court is in a hurry to shift the law rapidly to the right. The conservative majority, by a sixtothree vote, overturning roe versus wade, the right to choose abortion. Narrator the thomas court has overturned nearly 50 years of precedent on abortion. Hes been very disciplined, very persistent, and over the years, has really pulled the court over towards the right and has become, you know, extremely influential in american legal circles. I dont think, i, i must say, i dont that think people would have thought that he would be able to pull that off, and he has. Its a court with an energized conservative majority thats already demonstrated it is ready and willing to overturn decades of precedent and settled law. Narrator now the court is facing a decision on an issue that has hovered around Clarence Thomas<\/a> his entire life. Challenging the use of race in college admissions, which could have an impact on affirmative action. If you look at where the Supreme Court<\/a> is right now, in many ways, its implementing the political agenda and imposing the views of people like Clarence Thomas<\/a> and ginni thomas. Some people might call it payback. Others might call it the fulfillment of his dreams. Narrator clarence and ginni thomas had arrived at the pinnacle of American Power<\/a>, but they brought with them the divisions, grievances, and the bitter approach to politics that had shaped them. We already know too little about Clarence Thomas<\/a> and ginni thomass entanglements. Narrator the controversy continuing to follow them. Clarence thomas has refused to recuse himself from Supreme Court<\/a> cases related to trump and the election. Itll just roll off his back like water off of a ducks back. Theyre out to get me. Theyre going to use anything they can to get me. Ive got a very clear view of where im trying to go and what im trying to do and im not going to look left or right. Ginni thomas has publicly denied any conflict of interest between her activism and her husbands work. Narrator their personal scandals. In Clarence Thomas<\/a>s case, this is not the first ethics incident, even in recent years. Narrator . Now fueling doubts about the legitimacy of the court itself. The Supreme Court<\/a> trust hitting an alltime low. The court no longer has the confidence of the American People<\/a> because of its own behavior. And that is something that hurts the institution of the Supreme Court<\/a>. What is troubling is what happens to a democracy when the people dont trust the Supreme Court<\/a> anymore. Go to pbs. Org frontline to see more of our reporting on Justice Thomas<\/a>. Where you do run into the conflict is when you have a system set up under the guise of affirmative action that is called preferential treatment and see all our coverage of the Supreme Court<\/a>. Visit the frontline archive where you can stream more than 300 documentaries. Connect with frontline on facebook, instagram and twitter and stream anytime on the pbs app, youtube or pbs. Org frontline. I mean what we didnt realize was that the invasion wasnt the war, the war was to come. Narrator the enduring story of the battle of fallujah. Our mission was to clear the city of insurgents. It was full on frontal assault, and you dont stop until everybody stops shooting. There were shots coming from everywhere. Narrator and human cost. Speaking non english language my son was one of the ones that didnt come back. Frontline is made possible by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. 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Frontlines clarence and ginni thomas politics, power and the Supreme Court<\/a> is available on amazon prime video. Youre watching pbs. Roberta this was their birth country and theyre americans and they fought on the side of the United States<\/a> while the rest of their family was incarcerated. Satsuki they never committed a crime except to have the face of the enemy. Woman i couldnt believe we were being corralled to this concentration camp. Woman families were split up. Satsuki the government framed it as an issue of loyalty. Roberta my uncles felt compelled to renounce their brother. He was a very controversial figure. Susan im very proud of being korean. Unless you respect your heritage, youll never find identity. Satsuki many of us stand with the people who are being targeted today by speaking up. 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