Rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications rose so you began how . Connecting to other people. Rose is it luck at all or Something Else . Better Security Cooperation. Rose whats the object lesson here . Good reporting, accurate reporting. Rose tell me the significance of the moment. Rose this was the week a special counsel was appointed to head the investigation of russian interference in the last election. The white house came under fire for sharing classified intelligence with the russians, and the great, great shortstop derek jeter had his famous number 2 number retired by the new york yankees. Here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. Roger ailes, one of the founders of the Fox News Channel, has died. Sad news for rock lovers around the world. Chris cornell died overnight. Rose north korea tests another missile. Its not just us against them anymore. Now youre going to see the entire International Community isolate north korea. A deadly accident in new yorks times square. Violent clashes broke out in greece as thousands took to the streets to protest new austerity measures. Rose james comeys memo. To urge him to drop the investigation of michael flynn. Enough is enough. If the evidence pears out there was obstruction of justice, i think you will likely see congress go down the road of impeachment. The stars reported is false. I was in the room. It department happen. Rose the yankees say farewell to the captain. Just a kid from kalamazoo, michigan, who turned himself into a legend in new york city. The entire thing has been a witchhunt, and there is no collusion between certainly myself and my campaign. If you hack me at work and now i couldnt work id be like, yeah. This weekend, we had the mother of all cyberattacks. In some cases, extreme cases, people were forced to have actual facetoface conversations. Normally, kids in bounce houses can barely contan their joy. But this little guy maybe has more grownup things to think about. Trump told comey repeatedly to let it go thereto go look at the way ive been treated lately. No politician in history has been treated worse or more unfairly. Youll never see me cry rose President Trump is heading overseas on a nineday trip to five countries and three summit meetings. It begins in saudi arabia, where the president will deliver a speech about islam and radical ideology. From there, he goes to israel, vatican city, belgium, and then back to italy. It is the first foreign trip of his presidency, and Administration Officials are portraying it as a chance for america to reengage globally. Its also a chance for President Trump to get away from mounting controversies at home. For more, we turn to ian bremmer, president of eurasia group, and michael hanna, a senior fellow at the century foundation. Theyre going to treat him very well and do their very best to focus on the issues on hand, whether its about better Security Cooperation or major arms deals or showing that were just good partners and good allies. Theyll help to make trump look more president ial. I think that if trump can come away with not just those trips but the whole nine days looking like hes actually engaging in Foreign Policy as the president of the United States, the trappings, the context will actually be much more of a win than anything he could be accomplishing back in the United States. Rose more than the saudi government, hes also going to see there a lot of leaders from islam countries, from muslim countries. Hell make the speech about islam. Is it a chance for him to try to make amends for what many people saw as a kind of antimuslim, both policy and Campaign Rhetoric . Well, to a degree. I mean, the thing to remember is that for the saudi leadership and the egyptians, the emirates, the thing that really matters is, you know, convergence on their key priorities. So, you know, the issues about islam that came up during the campaign, thats not really high on their they care about iran. They care about iran. Rose what can we get from them . Aside from the fact that theyre a stalwart ally, theres not a hell of a lot of saudis have to offer the United States. The big how about boots on the ground in syria . Not going to happen . Not going to happen. I mean, the saudis are up to their eyeballs in a failing war in yemen right now, and theyre trying to extricate themselves and they cant, and its true of the gulf allies, the aedes and others as well. I think part of the problem here is trump is starting with countries that tactically want to work with him, but long term the future of American Interest is not in the middle east, right . America first is about doing less, extricating yourself from failed washz over a long period of time. Thithis is the discussion in the administrations too what kind of policy youre going to have. The future is china. The future is asia, perhaps the transatlantic. Rose one of the things they had against president obama was they didnt believe in the iran nuclear deal. Is there any way, because the israelis and saudis are on the same side on crucial issues, whether iran or what else it might be that somehow these countries may come out of this with some additional motivation to do something about the israelis and the palestinians . You know, i think for the saudi perspective, they would clearly want something to do done. I think nobody is under any illusions now that this is solvable. Its true that israelpalestine isnt the center of gravity in the region. People have much greater concerns, but it still matters, and it places real elements on what any of these, even autocratic leaders cdo, particularly in public. Rose the investigation of ties between russia and the Trump Campaign picked up new urgence theweek. Robert mueller is a former director of the f. B. I. On wednesday, he was named special counsel. He served in both democratic and republican administrations. John carlin is a lawyer in private practice. Before that he served as assertant attorney general for National Security and chief of staff to Robert Mueller during his time at the f. B. I. I am pleased to have him on this program. Welcome. Thank you. Rose so, he is handling the justice departments investigation . Hes acting as a prosecutor, handling the justice departments investigation. Rose and hell have available to him all the information the f. B. I. Had and anyone else. I would expect in this case that he would continue to work with the f. B. I. As the investigators. Hed get information from any other Government Agency as relevant. Hed have the ability to convene and use a grand jury to issue process, to find information, to follow up on investigative leads, to seek things like search warrants, to do interviews. Rose we will have, therefore, a lot of investigations going on. Senate intelligence committee, house intelligence commit, justice department, and what else . And its important to think about for this investigation what it is and what it isnt. Because one thing about bob mueller as director, as prosecutor throughout his career, if you give him a mission, hell do it to the best of his aibtd, because butt hes also not going to go outside the lines of that mission. So i would not expect at the end of the day him to do anything thats not prescribed by this regulation, which calls for i do think there will be a report at the end of the day, but the report is going to focus around whether or not to bring criminal charges. If there are criminal charges, dont expect him to be talking about anything thats outside the four corners of that criminal complaint or indictment. Rose lindsey graham, the senator from south carolina, said this after meeting with rod rosenstein, the Department Attorney general said, this now seems to be a criminal not a counterintelligence investigation. Do you agree with that . Well see. There is a broadranging counterintelligence investigation, and rightly so. Because its important not to lose sight of the fact that a foreign power tried to undermine our electoral system. They attacked democracy. Not one party or another, democracy. And its very consistent with what russia has been doing now for years in europe. We saw them do it before they attacked our democracy and weve seen them do it afterwards in terms of attacking french elections. Thats the threat thats looming throughout and that counterintelligence investigation needs to proceed. And we also need to think about that as a policy Going Forward how do we protect ourselveses if they try to do that again . Thats not bob muellers mission. His mission is, as special counsel, to determine whether or not crimes have been committed. Rose trump is leaving washington at the end of another tumultuous week, from the appointment of a special counsel to closed door hearings in congress, the russian scandal has derailed business as usual. Joining me now from washington is mike allen. He is a cofounder of axeios and the editor of the axeios a. M. Newsletter. Let me begin with the quote from you russia is the swamp, and the swamp is winning. That sounds nice. What does it mean . T means President Trump is paying a tremendous opportunity cost for all the swirl and conversation about russia, that bandwidth and time of his staff, Political Capital on the hill, the patience of the markets all of those were tested this week in this 10day period, we had the firing of director comey, which set off a cascade of events that the white house didnt at all amount. They will admit to you, charlie, they completely misjudged the reaction to that. Rose but looking back at this week, i mean, how do we measure the comey memorandums, the things that he wrote about a president of the United States asking him to go lightly or whatever the expression was on the National Security adviser nominee of the president . Comeys revenge. No question about it, charlie. This was another misjudgment. It sounds like the president really thought that jim comey either of his friend or was in his corner or was friendly. And none of that turned out to be true. It turns out now that the f. B. I. Director was suspicious from the beginning. Rose mike, just before we go, let me just ask you this. I was just handed this. This is a New York Times breaking news. It says, headline, trump told russians that firing nut job comey eased pressure from investigation. Written by matt apuzo, maggie haberman, and matthew rosenberg, may 19, 2017. President trump told russian officials in the o. Office this month firing the f. B. I. Director james comey had relieved great pressure on him, according to a document, summarizing the meeting. A dowrnlgt a white house document, summarizing the meeting. I just fired the head of the f. B. I. , he was crazy, a real nut job. According to a document read to the New York Times by an american official. I faced great pressure because of russia. Thats taken off. What do you say to that . Well, i say three things. One, the president is seeing the price of antagonizing the National Security establishment, intelligence. This is part of a gusher of leaks that is going to come out. Its sounusual, so shocking for Something Like this to be leaked by an american official about their president. Second, its a reminder that the president forgets the difference between campaigning and governing. A conversation like that is not going to stay private in this environment. And, third, why are you irritating james comey . He should want to make nice with comey or just be quiet because anything he says not only will maybe cause jim comey to be defensive and want to put out more of his documentation that he clearly has, but also, any comment like this is going to make people more likely, even allies, to question the president s motives. Rose there was also trouble for the Trump Administration overseas this week. On sunday, north korea conducted its seventh missile test this year. Analysts are describing it as pyongyangs most successful launch yet. The missile was reportedly large enough to eventually carry a nuclear warhead. What should the United States do . Ben Rhodes Rhodes served as the National Security adviser for president obama, david sanger is the National Security correspondent for the New York Times. Theyre doing a series of tests that are going high up into space. This one went 2,000 kilometers, 1400 miles. And then its doing a very sharp prabula and coming down. It landed only 400 or so miles from the north korean coast. So that replicates the reentry of an i. C. B. M. So theyre putting together the component pieces of what it would take to demonstrate that they could send a missile much further without actually prompting that kind of military response. Rose ben rhodes, how concerned should we be . Well, i think we should be very concerned, charlie. As you said, with each test they get better at this technology. And, of course, the principal threat to the United States, beyond our allies south korea and japan, is if they can miniaturize a Nuclear War Head and fut on an i. C. B. M. That can reach the United States. We have a steady escalation theft and its not clear what we can do to responsible spnd to it. Rose what what was the obama administrations strategy . Well, charlie, i think the diplomatic play you want is to get chinas attention through the deployment of this Missile Defense system, and then negotiate some type of freeze in the north Korean Program so theyre not advancing the nuclear program, theyre not advancing their missile capability. I think we have to find a way to have a pause button on this program. Rose david, tell me where you think the trump strategy is . Well, i dont think right now the trump strategy is all that different from president obamas strategy or president bushs before that. And always there has been this reliance on the chinese, as has been indicated, to put more pressure on. The difficulty is the chinese have their limits. And theyve got two major limits. The fers one is they dont want to put on so much pressure that it could trigger a north draen collapse that would result in south korea. The second is the chinese are interested in knowing what is the end state of north korea when youre all done with this process . Because the North Koreans at this point are pretty well convinced that theyd be crazy to give up their Nuclear Weapons program. While a freeze, as ben described, would certainly keep the problem from getting worse talso would freeze into place an existing considerably sized nuclear arsenal. And you have to ask yourselflet question are you willing to live with that arsenal if you dont get to the denuclearization that ben described . Rose Rolling Stone is celebrating its 50th anniversary this year. The chronicle of rock n roll was founded in 1967 by 21yearold music fan named winner. It became a destination for leading talent of the day, attracting the light likes of annie leibowitz. Thompson said, i was given the room and the rank to kick ass, and very few places would give you that. I spoke with them earlier this week. What is the heart and soul of Rolling Stone today . I think its not so different from what the heart and soul of Rolling Stone when it was founded was. I think its about embracing a world view that was told through rock n roll music. And all the things that come along is the world view a companion to rock n roll or is it a view that comes from rock n roll . I think its a view both, really. I think rock n roll promoted the view. I think it was about freedom and independence and stepping to the establishment. And, obviously, a lot has changed in the last 50 years, and weve changed quite a bit in the last 50 years. But i think that at our core is the music and what it means and represents to young people. Rose how have you changed over the lifetime of this magazine . Well, ive gotten older and creekier. But and wiser and a little more patient with everybody. So i gained a lot of wisdom with age. But my fundamental commitment to exphiewsk what we stood for and what were trying to do remains the same. Rolling stone was a mission for me and started with the mission of promoting music and what it stood for, and it has evolved over that period of time with a growing professionalism, and with the music itself to Rolling Stone finding itselfs have a fulltime voice in the National Conversation talking with president s, talking about issues you went down yourself and did an interview with barack obama. And clinton and,s and candidates. Rose now, are you qualified to do that . Im a good interviewer, charlie. And thats why i recognize a good interviewer in you. laughter Rolling Stone has a place in the National Conversation. Thats very meaningful to me. Rose that is in terms of its national pol techs. Yes, but also the culture. Rose the impact of culture. How the cultur