Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications rose and, so, you began how . Compassion. Rose is it luck or at all. A very rigorous process. Rose whats the object lesson. Theyre going to come bang and do it again. Rose tell me the significance of the moment. Rose this was the week the f. B. I. Confirmed it was investigating a possible collusion between russia and the Trump Campaign. A terror attack in london killed four and injured more than 40. And the the United States shut out puerto rico 80 to win the world baseball classic. Here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. Chuck berry dies at 90. The world honoring the life of revolutionary rocker chuck berry. He played that guitar like a ringing bell, go go terrorism tried to silence our democracy. Our resolve will never waiver in the face of terrorism. A missile test, north korea failed with the missile exploding. Rose the director of the f. B. I. Drops a bombshell. There was circumstantial evidence of collusion and direct evidence, i think, of deception. Pass the bill today for obamacare is here to stay. I think at the end of the day this is the only train leaving the station. Judge gorsuch looks like hes playing dodge ball with the Senate Judiciary commity. He wrote his name so bigly and boldly. You just said bigly. Arrested for stabbing a 66yearold black man with a sword. Patriotic act. Tom bradys stolen jersey recovered. Something good happened to tom brady. In toronto two big men went toe to toe. Eye of the tiger add mid it were going to be okay every little thing is going to be all right everything is good, healthcare is looking good. We are the champions, we are the champions the players got a chance to play for our country, but you know what . This is for the people that serve our country. Because we are the champions. Of the world rose we begin this evening with health care. Would they have the votes or not . That was the question in washington all week wrong. President trump insisted house of representative vote at 3 30 this afternoon on the republican bill to repeal and replace obamacare, but at the last minute the president told speaker of the house prine to pull the bill. Mike allen joins me from washington where he has been tracking the story. Cofounder of news service axios and editor of the axios newsletter. Lets begin with what some night say is an assessment, others an autopsy. What happened . Charlie, we had epic miscalculations at both ends of pennsylvania avenue from beginning to end. So President Trump beginning. Were seeing in the New York Times that he decided to go ahead with healthcare, to plunge ahead with healthcare rather than taking up the press easier win of tax reform almost on a lark, a very quick conversation where he didnt really delve into the pluses and minuses. At the other end of the pennsylvania avenue, at the beginning, speaker ryan looking at this more from a matter of policy than politics, charlie, this came down to pure, raw politics. Person to person. Miscalculation at the end and thats the big takeaway from today, charlie, is that now Everything Else will be harder. The tax reform and eventually infrastructure and whatever they want to do on immigration, just among republicans there is a trust, there is not appetite, theres not sea legs, theres not confidence that ryan can deliver, and it makes anything that they want to do more complicated and is going to cause them to have to pull in their the sights of their ambition. Rose does it mean remembers of congress, the Republican Party and certainly the Freedom Caucus are not afraid of the president . Well, its true and the fact its been true for a while is part of this. The president wasnt directly engaged with these members and, at the same time, he was getting less popular. Hes paying the check for some of the distractions you and i are covering over these weeks and months. Not only are they not as afraid of him, they werent as aligned with them. Heres the twist in what happened. There is an argument that for the politics of 2018, for the politics of 2020, republicans actually may be better off. Rose what is truth in politics specifically as i applies to President Trump . Is truth dead . Thats the cover story of this weeks Time Magazine. David leonhardt joins us from washington. I just want to read as we begin this conversation because its an important question about truth. David leonhardt ends his column by saying our president is a liar and we need to find out how serious his latest lies are. Nancy gibbs writer began his piece about her, him, the president by saying a president who pedals falsehood and dabbles in conspiracy confronts the challenge of reality. How difficult is this for journalists . Journalists have been debating for a long time about when you say someone is lying, the challenge is its much easier for us to check facts. We always do that, and know this statement is true, this statement is not true, this statement is partially true. When you talk about whether someone is lying, there is an added layer of intent, what do they believe, are they mistaken or intentionally misat a timing a falsehood, whats where this president pose add particularly challenge to people covering him. A great many things he says are demonstrably false, but how many things would he says would qualify as lies, he knows what hes saying are false, and how many are actually things that are untrue but he believes are true . As you said in your letter before this piece, it is vital that we be able to believe our president , it is also viet that we know what he believes and why. The president has made both a severe challenge. David leonhardt, when you wrote the column that you wrote and you raised a question about the president as a liar, tell me how you approached that and tell me what it is that you wanted your readers to understand. To be honest, i approached it uneasily. Its not something i wrote lightly. I agree with nancy, the word lie is not a synonym for the word untruth. It conveys intent just as she said. So i dont believe that george w. Bush was lying when he said there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq, and i dont believe barack obama was lying when he said if you like your Health Insurance plan you can keep it. I think they were both careless and i think they were both proven false. I think here what we have is a case where the current president speaks so many untruths just again and again, about the murder rate, his own electoral margin, the crowds during inauguration day, j. F. K. s assassination, 9 11, president obamas birth, president obamas wiretapping, and i could go on with 20 more. He speaks so many untruths that i think we have to conclude that he doesnt feel bounded by truth. So while it is hard, probably impossible, to know on any individual case whether he knows the truth and is lying or whether he believes something that is false and is stating it. I think we can comfortably say he isnt concerned with truth. He is happy to lie, and thats what i find so alarming about this situation. Rose it is not only Time Magazine and a columnist for the New York Times that weighted into this, also the wall street journal said two months into his presidency gallup has mr. Trumps Approval Ratings 30 . If he doesnt show more respect pore the truth, most americans may conclude he is a fake president. Push comes to shove here when there is a National Crisis and the president needs for his allies, his citizens and his government to believe him. You know, if you look back to other critical moments in american history, think about the cuban missile crisis, when president kennedy has to go on television and state to the country that this tremendous threat was now facing the country and people thought that we might be looking at the possibility of a nuclear exchange. The stakes of president ial credibility in a case like that could not possibly be higher. Similarly, you know, when he went to our allies and told them about what our intelligence was finding, it was critical our allies believed him and he had not in any way docketed or exaggerated the evidence. Rose the longawaited House Intelligence Committees first public hearing on russian interference in the president ial election finally happened this week. Monday f. B. I. Director james comey confirmed there is an Ongoing Investigation into possible collusion between President Trumps campaign and russian officials. Director comey also testified there is no evidence so far to support the president s claims that former president obama had wiretapped him and trump tower. Representative adam schiff of california is the house committees ranking democrat. Republican peter king of new york also serves on the committee. I think the American People got a good sense of why this is such an important matter and really se derves thorough investigation. The breadth of the russian attack on our democracy, the fact that the f. B. I. Has an Ongoing Investigation to determine whether there was coordination between the Trump Campaign and the russians as well as the directors, both of their willingness to establish that there is no evidence to support the president s claim that he was wiretapped by his predecessor. Rose why is this so serious . Well, because the Intelligence Community said this is not a one off. The russians will do this again. We can expect them to interfere in our elections again. In order to inoculate ourselves and inform the American Public when the russians meddle again its exactl important to know ey what they did. Europe is facing the same kind of russian meddling and we want to do everything we can to protect our european allies as well. Rose congressman king, what did you take away . Somewhat the same takeaway as adam even though a different emphasis. I think its absolutely essential we fully investigate the extent of russian involvement in the campaign, its disgraceful as adam and director comey said, they will come back and do it again, whether donald trump, hillary clinton, no matter who the candidate is, they will try to get involved in the election and we have to be more alert to it earlier on. I would say as far as the investigation conducted by director comby, we heard about this some time ago and were officially told a few weeks ago and i was told at a briefing a month ago also at a hearing we knew that the investigation is ongoing. Im glad its out there. Gives us a little more freedom to talk and also usually once something is announced publicly, its more inclined to move along at a faster pace. The investigate will go wherever it goes. Whatever it is, i will accept it. As far as we know, no evidence of any collusion between them. Rose what do you mean about collusion with respect to the campaign. Whether anyone from the Trump Campaign were involved with the russian intelligence or government to fix the election or cooperate in any way. So far i see no evidence but well see. Rose congressman schiff, have you seen evidence of that . The way i would describe it, charlie, is there is circumstantial evidence of coordination. There is direct evidence, in my opinion, of deception on marvel of many of the people around theth and, of course, where people are being dishonest about conversations they have with the Russian Ambassador or whether they even met with the russian. It does provoke questions about why, if this is a policy youre proud of, a policy youre willing to let the country know about and stand behind, why be deceptive about it . So we have a long way to go in the investigation and we ought to let the fact dictate where they take us. Rose wednesday the chairman of that House Intelligence Committee delvin nunes said hed seen reports members of President Trumps transition had been monitored incidentally and shared what he found with the white house before opinion forming his own committee. We turn to michael morell, former acting director and Deputy Director of the c. I. A. The president is under fire for claiming hat the Obama Administration surveilled him. Rose the f. B. I. Director said hed seen no evidence of that and every other National Security official. Right, so the president is hanging out there it mr. Displie right. And i think chairman nunes was trying to help him out. He took it to the white house and media and i think he acted inappropriately. I think what he should have done and what practice says he should have done is, number one, he should have gone back to the Relevant Agency, whether it be the f. B. I. Or whether it be the c. I. A. Or n. S. A. , to go back to the Relevant Agency and say, i was given these, how do i think about these . Are there any more like these . Help me understand these. That should have been step one with. Step two should have been to take the answer and share it with the entire committee before taking any action of briefing the president , let alone the media. Rose you said in the beginning this has nothing to do with whether president Obamas Administration bugged trump tower. This collection, based on the chairmans own words, was not targeted at any u. S. Person. It was targeted at a foreign national, and there was u. S. Person information incidentally collected. Thats why that incidentally collected is so important. Rose the impact of this in terms of how people characterized it raised questions about the independence of the House Intelligence Committee and john mccain said, for example, that the committee of congress no longer has credibility and needs a select commity. I think the chairman has done himself damage. The chairman is supposed to be running an objective, nonpartisan investigation into the Trump Campaigns ties to russia, specifically whether or not they cooperated, conspired with the Russian Campaign to interfere p in our election. Thats what hes supposed to be doing. When he does Something Like this that looks so political, he undermines the credibility of what hes doing, right, and thats why people like john mccain are reacting to this the way they are. So i think the best we can hope for would be a joint inquiry of congress where its a congressional inquiry but its joint with a select committee. Rose jessica chastain, a twotime academy awardnominee. Her new film is the zookeepers wife. It tells a story of Antonina Zabinska and her husband and they used the process at the zoo to save over 300 lives in the process. He used violence, aggression and fight and antonina uses her compassion as a weapon against hate. Rose and saves hundreds of lives. Hundreds and hundreds. She sacrifices her safety, the safety of her children. Not only does she save lives but she bolstered hope and created a space of love with music and art to bring happiness into those peoples lives. Rose she loved animals. She loved every living creature. She lived alongside animals. They would go along in and out side her home and her children had animal brothers and sisters. The film explores what it means to be a cage. The warsaw ghetto is a cage. Also what does it mean to possess and own another living creature. Anto nina knew that was not something that makes a society healthy in doing that. Rose its almost like she can better to animals than humans. Absolutely. She was born in st. Petersburg and grew up in russia. Her parents were killed one time coming home from dinner. They were asked to show her hands and when they didnt have calluses they were shot because thats how they determined the difference between intelligencia and a neighbor. From that moment on her life was dark and she fled violence. She found her sanctuary in warsaw as a young woman. She was a refugee and she created a space of love and she was able to heal herself with animals. And she knew that power. So when she was able to smuggle in jews and hide them there and create this safe place, the sanctuary for them, she knew as the animals had healed her, that they would also be helpful in healing the people. Rose what are you looking for . When you read the diaries and are looking for insight into a character . Anything the character says about themselves is so helpful. Even more than the diaries, i was so lucky, i went to the warsaw zoo before we started shooting. The basement is still there where they hid everyone. I met with theresa, antoninas daughter and i got to talk to her about her mother. She said she never saw her mother wear a pair of pants. She was very feminine. I said, okay, if your mother was an animal, what would she be . She said a cat. Her father had nicknamed her mother punia, which means little cat. All these things were so helpful in creating especially pore the character the femininity of antonina. Shes very shy. Oftentimes, in war when the men leave and the women are left to get jobs or to be the heads of the household, she in a way comes into herself and, at the end of the film, attend of the story, they come together as equals and the love is even stronger. Rose the south by southwest festival ended this week. That celebration of music, technology and the arts traction forms austin, texas, every year. And fueling much to have the creativity is a certain mexican mineral water. M. M. Pack is a good writer, historian and texan. She and a few other locals help us introduce what some call austins most cherished beverage. When you open a bottle of telfochico, you can hear it. Its a great sparkling water out of mexico. Its austin, texas. Our most popular drink. We literally sell ten times more of this drink than the next popular drink. Its the celebration drink. Th