Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications rose is it luck at all or is it Something Else . Whats the object lesson here . Its so different from the national mainstream. Rose heal me the significance of the moment. Thiss of the week the syrian army recaptured the old city of aleppo. Donald trump was named Time Magazines person of the year. And beyonce led the field with nine grammy nominations for lemonade. Here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. John glenn, space pioneer, patriot, and politician, has passed away. Oh, that view is tremendous if youre capable of it, and youre physically able to do these things, why not go for it. Godspeed, john glenn. Rescue teams in indonesia are searching the rubble for survivors following an earthquake that destroyed dozens of buildings. The plane that crashed in pakistan was reportedly on fire before hitting the side of a mountain. Officials say there were no survivors. With a huge majority, south corias parl voted to impeach the president. Russian and American Military experts will discuss pulling militants out of aleppo. Investigators still searching for answers in the horrific fire in oakland. In the time it took me to get on my coat and my shoes the entire wall was on fire. A victory for protesters. The u. S. Army corps of engineers is refusing to let the dakota pipeline cross the river. President obama has ordered a full review into the allegations the russians tried to influence the 2016 election. Donald trump again what he is calling a thank you tour of the country. Trump is holding victory rallies in all the places that helped get him elected, like ohio, pennsylvania, russia, the f. B. I. , wikileaks, and hillarys campaign headquarters. laughter itsin its going to be quita starstudded grammy once again. A lot of good music this year. Air force none. The president elect says cancel the order for new president ial planes. Baby we were born to run had man bolt out on to the tarmac of San Francisco international airport. He eventually got tired and officers caught him i want to rock with you nordstrom is getting some confused looks for its latest Christmas Gift option. It is selling a rock in a leather pouch for 85 bucks gonna rock the night away rose we begin this week with politicians and the trump transition. The president elects cabinet continues to take shape, even as donald trump makes a victory tour of the country. Joining me now for a look at the new trump team and the Selection Process is mike allen. After a long career at politico and playbook, mike has a new gig. He is the cofounder of a new digital news site. S it called axuous, which i understand in greek means worthy. Charlie, this is a treat. Thank you for the support over the years. Well be launching around Inauguration Day with the best coverage of business, tech, media disprendz politics. So wed love to have you along for the ride. Rose lets begin with the transition. Tell me what it tells you about how president elect trump might govern as president trump. Well, charlie, youve been covering is every morning and evening. Youve been watching this amazing drama thats playing out, and it tells us that this is going to be a fascinating, colorful, very public west wing. Charlie, as you know from having covered them, transitions usually pretty secretive, pretty quiet. Here, you have literal contestants for these jobs being summoned to trump tower, coming in before the cameras, sometimes speaking to cameras on the way out, and it apparently doesnt hurt you to go on tv to make the case for yourself, which, of course, with some past president s would have been a sign to get shown the door. So what were seeing is that as long as trump is in control, as long as people dont cross him, hes happy to have his advisers out there talking making their own cases. His potential appointees out there, people have called the apprenticization of the transition. Rose its clearly good, i would think, to have a president who takes an interest and who wants to talk to these people one to one over a series of conversations rather than have someone else do it. Some of the people thought they were going to see convenient pence or maybe going in to see reince priebus, steve bannon or one of the aides and theres trump. We talked to somebody who got a phone message from the president elect, and called back expecting to get an aide. It was donald trump answered the phone himself. So very involved. We now, charlie, about 13 people who have been announced in this for cabinetlevel jobs. We have four billionaires, three generals, two hispanics, one african american, and i guess a partridge in a pear tree. Rose yes, at christmastime. The other interesting fact is he evidently is having a lot of conversations with the president of the united states, barack obama. And even as he says, consulting with obama. And the president elect says, i really like him. I admire him different from what he said during the campaign. The president was very critical of him during the campaign. But they seem to have a pragmatic relationship, understanding they have differences, but being but having conversations that are very constructive for the president elect. And there couldnt be a better teacher. 32 been a lot of conversation this week and this is something, charlie that authentically surprised me the fact that president elect trump has been getting an average of one intelligence briefing a week. He could get much more. He has only made time for that, which is fewer than many of his recent predecessors. But i guess if youre talking to president obama, you feel like youre getting the ultimate tutor in how to run the world. Rose joining me now senator john mccain. You announced today cybersecurity is going to be a major oversight priority of the Senate Armed Services committee which you chair. Why are you making that announcement today . Well, obviously, the one of the issues situations that has brought this situation to a boil is the allegations of russian interfering not only in our elections but in other elections around the world. That undermines, obviously, the fundamentals of democracy if theres if theyre able to succeed. Rose do you believe that you have a different point of view than president elect trump on this, who has tended to downplay the idea that it might have been the russians . Every expert that ive talked to says it was the russians, and thats unclassified. But everyone ive talked to said the russians have played a very major role. But not just in elections, charlie. They are every day bombarding some of our industrial bases, particularly the military industrial complex. They are bombarding our communications systems. I mean, its just a fact is what theyre doing. Rose as it has annually since 1927, Time Magazine announced the person of the year this week. This time, its the individu who, for better or worse, had the most influence on the events of the year. President elect donald trump might be the obvious choice, but the nation remains divide over why. With me is nancy gibbs, the managing editor of time. I am pleased to have her back at this table. You have always framed this as the person who has the most influence. Yes. Rose it is not the most popular. It is not anything other than the most influence. This is a slamdunk, isnt it . It is, although, who interesting to me is the whole thick is is who has had the most influence on the year for better or worse. Rose right. Theres what seems like universal agreement that he the most influence and disagreement over whether it was for better or for worse. In president ial election years, it would be a little unusual for someone other than the newly elected president to have been the dominant fig that you are year. And and in any president ial year, the country is divided. You know, roughly half the country votes for one and the other. There is something that feels different this year, at least from where i sit, of the the level of surprise at the outcome and thats a lot of the challenge that the president elect, i think, faces. He talks about wanting to bring the country together. I think even he acknowledges that that represents a pretty significant challenge. Rose he certainly was pleased by the decision, wasnt he . He was. You know, and its complicated for us that he talks about it as an honor, and we have run into that for years that, you know, it sounds like the kinds of things that people honor people with at the end of the year. And we always have said, you know, look, this is a measure of influence. Whats remarkable about donald trump that we have not seen before is somebody who who comes in and deifies all expectations, breaks all the rules, shatters every sort of norm and convention for how you run for president , defeated not one but both Major Political parties on hez way to winning and did it and defeeted two dynasties. And did it with largely based on his own instincts not a huge cadre of political advisers and pollsters, not with the help of the republican party, infrastructure in particular, or the donor class. You know, the Enormous Army of people who are usually around a winning president ial candidate, and taking some responsibility for the victory. Theres theres nothing like this in Donald Trumps case. He has, you know, a small caught ray of advisers and his kids and its him. Rose you interviewed him before. You interviewed him with the eagle and all that. And then you go back a week ago . How was he . Was he different in any way perceptively . I would be the first to say that theres theres every chance that because i expected that he would be different that i saw a difference. But i did see a difference. The main one being the thing that struck me so much you know, im very interested in the relationship between president s because of what that job does to you. And the the night before we spoke to him, he had been on the phone for 45 minutes with president obama again. , talking to him about ideas for his cabinet choices, and other topics that were on his mind. And he spoke with extraordinary warmth and respect. He talked about the chemistry he felt between them. And, you know, in listening to him talk, particularly, about his conversations with president obama, you you start to see a glimpse that he is is having to get his head around what has just happened. Rose the 59th annual Agreement Award nomination were released this week. Adele and beyonce led the way, each receiving nods for album, song, and record of the year. The Biggest Surprise came with the nomination for Country SingerSturgill Simpson for album of the year. Bryan hyatt is Senior Writer at Rolling Stone magazine. I think one of the things were seeing is the grammys had taken heat for so many years being totally distant from what people saw the center of pop culture, and now it feels like theyre right there in the white heat of it it, to the point of nominated justin bieber. Rose adele, work from rihanna, featuring drake, and is it between adele and beyonce . Nailed it. Its a really interesting thing. Its going to be i think thats probably the distinguishing factor of this years grammys is that youve never had such a headtohead battle for a while between two artists who are similar in some ways, very different in other ways. But the funny thing is theyre huge mutual fans of each other. Rose album of the year and a sailor guide to earth by Sturgill Simpson. Isnt he great. Rose he is great. People i know who know music would include you in that. Just been singing his praise. And long after im gone ill still be around hes fantastic. I mean, its funny, i thought his previous record was probably even better, but you cant pick the moment that they get the and im just happy for him because i think hes a fantastic talent and just sort of as you know, out of nowhere because hes such an old soul and combined so many interesting influences and hes so cool and hes so different from the national mainstream. Hes a true dark horse candidate in that category. Rose but, again, is it between adele and beyonce, between 25 and lemonade . Yes, but sometimes you never know with the grammys. Sturgill is about as unlikely as donald trump winning the republican nomination. Anything could happen. But it certainly, logically speaking, is between adele and beyonce. And i think it is adele has had her grammy recognition. I think a the love people are going to feel its beyonces time. Rose song of the year formation, beyonce. Yeah, yeah. Rose hello adele. The difference between record of the year and song of the year, and ive said this is sort of the time of the year when people like me have to explain what the difference is between record of the year and song of the year. And the difference is, as you may know, song of the year is the underlying composition. Whereas record of the year is the actual recording. So one way of thinking might be that they honor hello by adele for sofnght year. Because its more of like a songsong. Theres more of a kind of underlying composition. You could cover it in a lot of different ways. You could do, you know, an acoustic version or rock version. Whereas formation is a honored record and its absolutely fantastic. Its one of those honored records where the composition is so deeply embedded in the production. Its more of a record of the year type song, whereas hello is more song of the year type song. So i wouldnt be surprised if they end up splitting it that way. Rose kenneth lanar begans film is a homecoming tale. It stars Casey Affleck forced to return to his home town becoming the legal guardian of his teenaged nephew. It is called manchester by the sea. I like the tremendous effort the characters are making to do the right thing by each other, even though theyre carrying this emotional burden around. Caseys character is so stricken by whats happened to him, and hes still, every step of the way, doesnt of the to just take care of his nephew but take care of him properly. He doesnt start out wanting to have a personal relationship with him. He just wants to get him set up. The premise of the movie is that caseys brother dies and hes given guardianship of his nephew, which he doesnt want. But that parts very obvious in the story, but whats not so obvious sometimes is how he refuses to just send the kid away. Like he could easily send him to relatives in minnesota. He could send him back to his mother who is very troubled and problematic, but hes sticking g it out as best he can. Rose when lee left manchester, what was his state of mind . Devastated. I mean, i dont know how much of the story you want to give away on the show. Rose not too much. Hes left town because of an unspeakable tragedy and his life is essentially destroyed. And i think if it were up to him, hed just go. But his brother is not well. He has congestive heart failure, a chronic, deteriorating condition, and requires help taking care of his kid and just genuinely needs help and goes an hour and a half away so he can be on hand if needed and he goes into a monastic existence in quincy, a town south of boston. Rose and then he gets the note to come back. And he comes back and its implied in the story and it was in screenplay he comes back periodically, when joe has to be hospitalized and he discusses he comes back to take care of the kid when theres no one else to do it. Hes been in touch but detached himself completely from the family from the town he grew up. Rose what kinds of stories do you like to tell . I like telling stories about people who are dealing with things that are too big for them. Rose like grief. Grief, the weight of other peoples requirements, the fact that the world never does what you meant it to do. Death. Other people generally, institutional difficulties, difficulties with lawyers, difficulties with doctors, difficulties with the law. This movie has a lot this movie, believe it or not, has a lot of laughs in it. And i like i like humor just as much as anything else. And i like to put humor in everything i do. , yothat scene we just saw is py melancholy but theres quite a lot of humor in the movie. Casey is funny, lucas is funny, and c. J. Wilson casey said kenny never writes without some humor. Hes funny. It doesnt undermine the drama. It might make the tragedy felt even more. I think so. I hope so. I think, you know, my goal, my goal is to have it seem like it could be real or that it is real and if its going to feel real, its gog have some humor in it. Rose an american hero, john glenn, died this week. He was 95. Much of his life was lived in the public eye, and most of it was spent in public service. He was a decorated Fighter Pilot in world war ii and korea. His wing man was the greet baseball player ted williams. He was the First American to orbit the earth. He was the oldest man to ever go into space, explaft surviving member of the original nasa astronauts. And finally, he was a distinguished senator from ohio, where he served four terms. I spoke with him most recently at an event in ohio last year. He was also a guest at my table in 1999. To the end, john glenn remained a fierce advocate for space exploration. Here we are, supposed to be the worlds greatest spacefarring nation, according to words used by president kennedy at what time, and i think we do have the best basic background in this area. But we cannot go to space, we cannot put a single pilot in space. We have to go today, we go and pay the russians 65 million per astronaut to send our people over to there, and they put them on a soyuz, and send them up into space and take them up to our space station, our International Space station, that we made an international station voluntarily. We asked the other people it to join us on this. Weve been very good about sharing this kind of information and research. And the reason that president bush gave back at that time was he wanted to concentrate on the moon and then on to mars, and there wasnt money to do it at that time, and that the each space launch of the station back or of the shuttle the total cost of that was estimated somewhere around 400 million. A lot of money. Its expensive. It is. Rose 400 million. 400 million. Thats for all the expenses you could put together that had to be there befor