There are Fashion Designers who are free artists. Film making for me is the most expressive personal, the closest thing to art that i create. Rose we conclude this evening with 9 actor Casey Affleck who stars in masters of the sea. When i read it i was a little bit confused why it worked so well. It doesnt follow the formula and the telling of the story. It doesnt have this sort of, the kinds of moments in it you would expect from a movie like this to have. You might expect these two character who are forced together who have both suffered some loss to save in another in a very predictable way to have a cathartic movie and the climax of the movie with the both of them sort of moving on to warmer climes than that. It is a unique movie in that way. Rose jon stewart, tom ford, Casey Affleck when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with jon stewart, the former host of the daily show, in an interview i recorded for cbs this morning. He talks about the election. Here is that segment. I met with stuart yesterday to talk about a book with the more than 16 years he spent at the Comedy Central program. He was quick to give his post election analysis. We just went through an election. What . Rose yes. Your reaction to this election . Surprise . It all ties together. Rose fear. Well fear, you know, heres what i would honestly say. I dont believe we are a fundamentally different country today that we were two weeks ago. The same country with all its grace and flaws and volatility and insecurity and strength and resilience exists today as existed two weeks ago. The same country that elected donald trump, elected barack obama. I feel badly for the people for whom this election will mean more uncertainty and insecurity. But i also feel like this fight has never been easy. And the ultimate irony of this election is the cynical strategy of the republicans which is art position is definite doesnt work. Were going to make sure that it doesnt rose drain the swamp. Theyre not draining the swamp. Mcdonald and ryan, those guys are the swamp and what they decided to do is im going to make sure government doesnt work and then im going to use its lack of working as evidence of it. Donald trump is a reaction not just to democrats but republicans. Hes not a republican. Hes a repudiation of republicans but they will reap the benefit of his victory. In all of their cynicism and all of their i will guarantee you republicans are going to come to jesus now about the power of government. One of things that struck me odd about this election and maybe i just missed it was nobody asked donald trump what makes America Great. That was the part that rose in order to make America Great again nobody said to him what is it that makes America Great. Correct. Rose what is it that you think you want to do that were not doing now. What are the metrics. Because it seems like from listening to him, the metrics are that its a competition. And i think what many would say is what makes us great is america is an anomaly in the world. Nobody, there are a lot of people, and i think his candidacy has animated that thought that a multiethnic democracy, a multicultural democracy is empossible. And that is what america by its founding and constitutionally is. Rose and coming more and more year by year. Correct. Rose but do you think its healthy that we have this now, that in fact this battle, this real sense of finding out who we are. Yes. But i also rose and whether we have gone off track in some way. Absolutely. You know, i think i would rather have this conversation openly and honestly than in dog whistles. Somebody was saying there might be an antisemite thats working in the whitehouse. Its like have you listened to the nixon case. Forget about advising the president. Do you know lbj. Do you know our history. We have to caution ourselves to the complexity of that history. I thought donald trump disqualified himself at numerous points but theres now this idea that anyone who voted for him is, has to be defined by the worst of his rhetoric. Like there are guys in my neighborhood like that i love, that i respect, that i think have incredible qualities, who are not afraid of mexicans and they do not like muslim but theyre afraid of blacks. It would be individuals, it would be ignorance. But everybody who voted for trump is a monolith, is a rate es. D so this is the fight that we weighed against ourselves. Because america is not natural. Natural is tribal. Were fighting against thousands of years of Human Behavior in history to create something that no ones ever gets whats exceptional about america. This aint easy. Its in an incredible thing t. Its so nice to hear from him charlie. Rose hes very reflective and does not miss being at Comedy Central and has a lot to say and knows how much his voice was miss the when you heard him. Very interesting point. I like how he rather than dismissing trump or those who voted for him, tried to explain and understand why they voted for him and say dont paint them as a monolith. Rose theyre not worried about all the things people are talking about in terms of muslim and that, theyre worried about insurance premiums. Its how they jump to conclusions. Hes basically saying calm down. Americas going to be okay. Rose hes assessing but he also talks about the daily show and all that went on in 16 years. Its an interesting man with lots to say. Do you think he doesnt miss it. Rose i do believe he would move to another station. Yes, i do too. Rose jon stewart on cbs this morning. Tomorrow night on charlie rose the week more of that interview talking about the election and the full enter view next week on charlie rose. Rose tom ford is here the celebrated Fashion Designer has just directed his second film. It is called Nocturnal Animals. Its stars a amy aidals and jake sill hall. It tells the story of a revengeful manuscript written by her estranged exhusband. Its a melodrama lationed with vicious crime and psychological suspense. Heres a look at the trailer. You feel like your life is turning something you never intended. Im worried about you. Is he sleeping i the last time we talked. The my exhusband used to call me a Nocturnal Animal. I didnt know you had an exhusband. Ive been thinking about him a lot lately and he sent me this book he had written. Its sad. He dedicated it to me. Do you miss him. I did something horrible to him. What are we going to do. Its a question of how serious you are of seeing justice done. Dont do this. Youll regret it. I really want to be this person that you thought i was. Youre crazy. Youll never find out. When you love someone, you have to be careful with it. You might never get it again. I like killing people. We should try it sometime. Nobody gets away with what you did. Rose man id go see that. I hope you do, charlie. Rose this is your second one. Why seven years. I have no idea. Where does life go, where does it go. To a big extent its about finding something that speaks to you. Making a film takes three years. Ive been working on this film for three years. I also opened a hundred stores. I had a son who is now four and life just slips away. Rose there are those who always want to ask this question so i want to get past it right away at the beginning. Have you become so enamored of film making that thats going to consume your life much more than fashion. No. They satisfy very very different creative needs for me. Fashion moves very very quickly. I love it. Youre constantly turning out new things, creating new things. Film, it takes a while to get a film made. While i was editing this, i set up my editing rooms in my london design studio. I would edit, go back to a fitting. Edit for four or five hours, back to a fitting. What i created at that time was one of my favorite collections because i was so excited, i was happy, i was so energized. They are two very different things. I am a commercial Fashion Designer. I design clothes to self it is an artistic thing but it is not necessarily for me art. There are Fashion Designers who are true artists. Film making for me is the most expressive personal, the closest thing to art that i create. Rose and it lives a you say as art does much longer than fashion. It lives forever. You can watch an old film from the 1930s. Youre immediately pulled in, youre crying with these people, youre weeping with them and hes dead, the screen writer is dead, the director is dead. Its a more permanent art form in the way that we have. Rose this is only your second film. It is. Rose youre having some really nice things said about you, even comparisons to hitchcock in terms of some of the style. How did you get good. Flattering. How did i get good . You know i think the important thing for me in life and i think really for everyone is to have a vision. First of all im not young. Im 55 years old. So even though its my second film. Hopefully i bring, well 55, you know, a lot of peoples second film theyre in their 20s. So im an adult i guess i have to finally say. So you hopefully bring that with you when you do something. But i felt very can dealt i could make my first film and making my first thrill made me confident i could write this. I wrote the screen play, directed it, produced it. Its much more complex. I would not have done it had i not made my first fliem. Rose its based by what. A book. We printed in america after that. I read it, i couldnt put it down. I loved it. I wasnt sure how i was going to adapt it because its an inner monologue and i changed it. Rose you changed her character shes no longer a School Teacher he house a gallery. He is no longer a doctor hes now business. Yes. Sometimes things that work as prose dont necessarily work visually cinematically and you know, a 400 page book cant necessarily be condensed into two hours. So i believe in taking things that speak to you, the thing that spoke to me about this story is that its about finding people in your life that you love that mean something to you and not letting them go. Im a very very loyal person. Ive been with the same person for 30 years. I dont let people go. In our cultural today we not only throw things away, we throw people away. Thats what spoke to me about the book. I took that central theme and layered some autobiography on it because i think you need to write about what you know and express what it is about something that you feel and turn it into Nocturnal Animal. Rose the thing they talked about now in this film is the idea of the style that they see on the screen. I mean it is the work of a stylist, its the work of someone who is trying to dont say that. Go ahead. Rose you dont like it. No, because style has to serve substance. Rose but they do say it. You read that in almost every other review. You do. And luckily ive had, i have to say mostly really wonderful reviews. The one or two have not been so wonderful i said oh i looks like a perfume commercial is too stylist, blah blah blah, he speandz too much time visualliment for me style serves the story. If it doesnt serve the story its meaningless. Rose its in your blood isnt it. It is. Rose you have a sense of the way things should look. Yes. But as it serves the story. This particular character amy adams character, she lives in a very artificial lacquered highly polished and emptied world. So it is highly stylized. Rose what part of you is in her. Oh. Shes a woman who is struggling with materialism. She has, shes really a victim of her own insecurity. Shes fallen back into believing what our culture tells you which is you have this, you do that you do this youre going to be happy. That may sound strange coming from someone who certainly has a voice and contemporary culture. But maybe because im so e muraled in the creation of all of these things and this materialism. E realizes shes actuallyand neglected her soul, her first love, her true love. Spirituality and she is struggling with that. Rose the idea of this hitchcockian element of this. Where does that come from . Is that something you always want to do, are you looking for a property you could scare it. I love film noir, i love hitch talk and roman polanski. It was one of the things that attracted me to the book. Its an inner novel. This book is sent by her first has bund she that spoken to him in 19 years. It arrives. She starts to read it and its a really violent tail. What hes saying to her this is what you left to me when you left me this is how you made me feel. This is how visceral and how painful it was when you ripped our family apart. And so we as an audience have to feel that. We have to feel that fear, that upset. Rose that anger. That anger which hes communicating to her. So i loved the idea that one could communicate their feelings in such a sharp way through a piece of art, in this case through a book. Rose is there any part about masculinity. Theres definitely a part thats masculinity. Jake jill hall plays two characters. I plays tony in the inner novel and plays a character in the outer novel. His name is edward. In both cases, both tony and susan are from texas and hes not the typical masculine guy. Hes not great at football, hes not great with a gun. Yet in the end, he has a different kind of strength. He has the strength to believe d both in the inner novel ande the outer world he ultimately triumphs. I can relate to that. I grew up in texas. I wasnt great about a football or bb gun. I wanted to sit and paint and i was tortured but i persevered. Rose how defendant affect you other than give you the capacity to make a film about that subject. Those kinds of things when youre a kid become such a part about everything. Rose why does susan leave him. Susan leaves him because hes a writer. Shes been programmed by her family, they dont like him to believe that she should marry one who could take care of her. Shes quite insecure. She wants to be an artist but shes nervous about it. She falls back on her up bringing. So she abandons him with someoe who can provide her with things she thinks will make her happy. He is the great love of her life and from writing this book and through reagd it she falls in love with him all over again. Rose what does she do. We cant do that, the little give away ending of the film. Rose shes trying to recapture isnt she. She is. We wont give away the ending of the thrill but at the end of the film shes transformed. Its been a painful transformation but she has broken with her past life that made her so unhappy. Rose this is susan talking to her coworkers about her exhusband. Here it is. You didnt think it would, did you. No. The i never sleep. My exhusband used to call me a Nocturnal Animal. I didnt know you had an exhusband. Since when. A couple years since graduate school. Its weird. Ive been thinking about him a lot lately and recently he sent me this book hed written and its violent and hes sad and he typed Nocturnal Animal to me, dedicated it to me. Did you love him. Yeah, i loved him. He was a writer. And i didnt have faith in him. I panicked and i did something horrible to him, something unforgivable. Really. You left him. I left him. I left him. In a brutal way. Rose what was the more difficult part about this film. The two novels, outer novel, inner novel. Theres three worlds. Theres the outer story, the inner novel and there are flashbacks. They fuel into each other and spiral into one story. I have an incredible cast with quite a few actors. And so just the size of it, the scope of the complexity of the script, the number of cast members, the number of locations. It was a much bigger film than a single man. Rose this is interesting too. You give her life that seems awfully enchanting and interesting and fulfilling to somebody. On the other hand thats part of the commentary youre making. She has all this stuff and shes not quite happy and she remembers somebody that she did terrible things to. And she wants him back, right. Yes. Rose you make her life a bit glamorous. Yes. When you see it on film, its hollow and empty and even the way i shot it and the way the colors are desaturated. Its shiny and glossy but soulless. Rose is there anything about your life thats hollow and soulless . Do you feel some of this. I have been through this. Rose when and how. It was probably ten years ago when i left gucci. I think i came on the show. Rose because you left gucci. It was an early mid life crises and i was really glad i got it over someone. Someone said mid life when you get to the top of the ladder only to find you had the ladder against the wrong wall. Sometimes we think we want something, you get there and i realize rose what did you do. You had to go and do something build something on my own. There are duality friends. Rose duality. What did you do spiritually. I medicate. The i ching is my bible. Growing up in texas and new mexico and santa fe. The older i get the more i find connection in the emptiness of that space. I hope that i live long enough so the last ten years of my life could be spent like georgia okeefe wanted ring around the desert with my dog feeling connected to the universe. Contemporary culture can be entertaining and wonderful, a lot of us are addicted to it but at the same time it can distract us from life, our place in the universe, what we mean, why were here. And connections to people. Rose who was with georgia okeefe at that time. Well she had a very young friend called hamilton who i believe was 17. Rose r. D. you now. Are you at a point where you got meditation, youve got spirituality, youve got a second film, youve got a wonderful son, youve got a husband and great relationship for 40 years. 30. Dont age me too much more charlie. Youve got the fashion business so you got all the money you need. All this stuff. So where is the drive going to come from to top this so to speak. I think speaking, i think if youre addicted to communicating and storytelling, thats fun. You know what i do is so much fun. All i want is to have as many more years of it as i possibly k i also lucky and i love what i do. Id like to make a movie over three or four years, hopefully not seven. I would like to continue with designing clothes. Im completely happy with my life. Rose is it a hollow business. You said there are Fashion Designers who are true artists. I think perhaps im too cynical to be a true artist. I ran for years when i was driving in fashion but i have a different