faster, balls are jumping off my cup face again, i'm starting to get confidence in my body -- >> rose: james clapper, tiger woods, phil knight, when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: join me in welcoming james clapper. ( ( applause ) i want to begin with russia and the u.s. relationship with russia. the russian u.n. ambassador said, in the last week, that relations are as bad as he's seen them in the last 40 years. characterize the u.s.-russian relationship. >> well, it's not -- it's certainly not at its, you know, peak, by any stretch. we've had a lot of difficult issues, notably in, you know, syria ukraine, just to name two. so it's a stressed time for the relationship. i don't know that it's, you know, worse than at times i can recall in the cold war era, we lived through all that, but it's worse than that. there is some pretty bad times where we weren't getting along at all. still communicating. secretary kerry and foreign minister lavrov are in constant dialogue, so that's a good thing. p but i think this will be clearly a challenge for the next administration. >> rose: so what do you think is driving putin? >> i think he's somewhat of a throwback, not so much to the hay day of the communist era, the soviet union, but a throwback to the czar era. i think he has this vision of the great -- a great russia as a great power. it's extremely important to him that russia be treated, respected as a global power on par with the united states. and i think that has a lot to do with impelling his behavior. >> rose: let me go to what's in the newspapers and everybody's mind today. it is hacking and a threat to -- or perhaps a motivation to impact the u.s. elections. what can you tell us about that? >> i'm probably not going to go much beyond the statement that secretary of homeland security jeh johnson issued about it. many people seem to want me to repars the words which are already very parsed and agonized over. so i think the statement will stand for itself. i will say that, you know, there is a history here for the soviet union, russia now interfering in elections, both theirs and other people's, and there is a history of this where they've attempted to influence the outcome of our elections before. >> rose: and instead, he thinks we tried to interfere in his elections? >> well, people live in glass houses, i guess applies here. ( laughter ) >> rose: shouldn't throw rocks? >> right. that's the rest of the sentence. >> rose: yes. but will it have an impact? do you think you will be successful? has h he created suspicion? have these disclosures raised questions that somehow will cause the people to question the american democratic process and can they affected at the voting machines and all of that? >> i don't believe so, but that's not an issue for the national intelligence apparatus to decide. i think the strength for us, in this case, is the highly decentralized nature of our voting apparatus, which is, you know, run by states and local jurisdictions. they make it very hard, i think, to affect the outcome. i don't know, in cases where voting machines are tied to the internet -- and, of course, that's the common denominator of the security weaknesses that we have. your reference to hacking is germane. >> rose: but do you believe they would be doing this if it did not go to the top? those things you could trace to russia would not be happening if, in fact -- is not freelanced by fsb or anybody else? >> i believe our statement said we believe the direction of ths is coming from the highest levels of the russian government. >> rose: i was hoping you would enlarge on that. >> i'm not going to embellish that statement any more. >> rose: when we talk about a proportionate response, the vice president said putin will know, but i hope others will not know. >> well, i think he said something along the lines of if and when we do something, it will with -- it will be the time and place of our choosing. it may not necessarily be a symmetrical response. may be asymmetrical. >> rose: but there is also a sense that they are not paying a price for this. >> well, maybe not yet. >> rose: maybe after the election? >> well, again, i'm not going to preempt -- i mean, it's a policy issue about what we do, if anything, and when we do it. that's not an intelligence issue. >> rose: but you know things. ( laughter ) don't you? >> well, 84 days, i'll have my brainwashed. ( laughter ) >> rose: it is said the president may generally worry about an escalation of this kind of thing with all the dangers there are both in terms of hacking but also in terms of cyberwar fair. >> speaking of -- >> rose: talking about hacking now. >> the election? >> rose: no, we respond, they respond, we respond, that gets out of control. >> that's exactly tissue, and i can recall instances where we t a big head of steam up about wanting to retaliate in a symmetrical manner, and you have to consider things like are we counterattacking through another nation state's infrastructure, which poses all kind of legal issues. lawyers get very agitated about that. then, of course, you need to think about the potential counterretaliations to the retaliation you took and how well you think -- and this applies to any nation state, how well you think we can withstand a retaliation, and those get to be very complicated colonel calculations. >> rose: and the -- complicated calculations. >> rose: and the risk is? sometimes it's better to consider other options other than the symmetrical one. >> rose: and the risk is? given the tremendous dependence of this nation on the cyberdomain to do everything, whether personal, institutional, we have to think twice, i think, and be very cautious about retaliating in a cyber context because the presumption at the there is going to be an equally exquisite and precise calculus may not be a valid one to make. >> rose: but this is a new world we're living in with respect to the internet. >> precisely. >> rose: i mean, i love the terms they use -- fancy bear and cozy bear and ducifer. ( laughter ) >> okay. >> rose: does all of this show something about the vulnerability of our systems? >> it does. you know, when the internet was first as an experiment, and then as it mushroomed, security was never an integral part of what the interfeet was designed for, it just wasn't a consideration. >> rose: in fact, it was the opposite. >> so we're kind of paying the price for that now. >> rose: what are our options? well, i think we're always going to be in -- in the absence of a technological breakthrough, we're always going to be in somewhat of a catch-up mode. there are fundamental cyber hygiene things that surprisingly people, individuals and institutions, don't attend to. increasingly, though, i think there is an awareness, particularly in the commercial sector -- and, of course, the attention getter there is always how does this affect my bottom line. and that is what i think is motivating increasingly the private sector and private sector companies to pay more attention to cybersecurity. but it's always an action and reaction. as long as we have this dependency on the internet, we're with always going to have this fundamental challenge of how to promote security in the cyberdomain. >> rose: it's a fact that we've gotten much better at attribution, haven't we? we pretty much know where it comes from these days. >> well, that certainly helps. i think that does provide perhaps some degree of deterrence, but, you know, we don't have enough body of law yet. we haven't, in my opinion -- this is not company policy, it's just me speaking -- but we have not been able to generate the substance or the psychology of deterrence in the cyber realm, and that's going to continue to be an issue for us. it's easier, perhaps, with nation states, but -- and, of course, nation states have other vulnerabilities besides their cybersecurity weaknesses. it's nonnation state entities, or the nations that have been in the past considered to have a lesser capability, and i'm thinking of the likes of iran and north korea where, you know, we've had this disparity or contrast between the capability of the most sophisticated nation state cyber acts which are clearly russia and china, but have, to this point, perhaps more benign intent. then you have other countries who have a more nefarious intent, and even more nefarious are non-nation state actors. so how to create both the substance and psychology of deterrence against all those potential actors, i don't think we figured that out yet. >> rose: was the internet attacked a non-state actor? >> there is an investigation going on. that appears to be preliminarily the case. >> rose: a non-state accurate? yes, but i wouldn't want to be conclusively definitive about that yet, whether a nation state might have been behind that or not. >> rose: you know, we've looked at the north koreans and sony identified them. with the iranians later, there were some indictments. we haven't said anything about the chinese, and it took us, like, three or four months to respond and identify the russians. i mean, what's the calculus behind all that? >> well, in the most recent case, the reason for the delay was -- at least for my part -- was driven by confidence, a greater certitude about attribution. >> rose: right. and, in our business, it's always better to have multiple sources when you're going to dime out a nation state publicly. so we have to be careful about that. the other thing about this business of attribution is that, oftentimes, the means by which we do that is fragile and perishable. so if we are too transparent about it, everybody would like to know, i want the details. well, then we risk losing those perishable, fragile sources that give us the insight in the first place. >> rose: let me turn to north korea. can you tell us how -- what's the status of their ability to put a nuclear warhead on a missile that can reach the west coast of the united states? >> well, we've actually assessed that capability. we -- in the situation like this, always have the worst case. but in the case of their intercontinental ballistic missile, neither they nor we know whether that missile actually works. it's never been tested. but nevertheless, we ascribed them -- to them the capability to launch a missile that would have a weapon on it that potentially could reach parts of the united states, certainly including alaska and hawaii. >> rose: what's the time frame? >> the time frame for what? >> rose: for them being able to do that? >> well, we've assessed this for, oh, years. >> rose: the they could do it? they could do it. again -- >> rose: worst case scenario. i say again neither they nor we know whether their missile systems will work, but we have to make the worst case assumption here. >> rose: okay. what if it worked? what are our options? sanctions? sabotage? >> launch the missile? >> rose: no, we know they have that capability, so it's not just a worst case scenario, but it's a scenario that's possible and likely. what are our options, our strategy? >> that's policy. i don't do policy. >> rose: yeah, i know, but you have opinions. >> i'm just down in ten gin room shoveling -- down in the engine room shoveling coal. ( laughter ) >> rose: but when the president says what do we do, what's your strategy? you say we have no opinions? >> i think there are a number of options. military is one of them. sanctions, although we're kind of running out of gas on sanctions since we've imposed most of them. the key player with respect to sanctions, is of course, china. so if a military option were to be exercised, then obviously we would play very heavily in that process, but that's not a decision, fortunately, that intelligence community makes. >> rose: when you look at china and their game in the south china sea -- this is not a policy question, thisis an analysis -- what are they up to? is this some kind of monroe doctrine by china? >> the chinese feel very strongly about their recollect , about the exosht taint claims in the south china sea, the maritime claim in the 9-line. the tribunal decision notwithstanding, are very committed to their claims in the south china sea. i was there recently and it was certainly reaffirmed to me by the chines chinese interlockleri see. >> rose: who do you engage with? >> secretary mung who is the overseer for their intelligence and security organizations. >> rose: one thing the c.i.a. does clearly and, therefore, you, is make an analysis of leadership in respective countries and their ambitions and their profiles. lots of reports in newspapers about the continued authoritative kind of moves by xi jinping and that he may want to do another term. what can you tell us about him? >> well that's always a hardy perennial for intelligence is plans and intentions of leaders, and we do the best we can. oftentimes, we have to do it infeinferentially by behavior ty exhibit. there is an old song in intelligence about mysteries and secrets. secrets have no facts and mysteries are. we're held to the same exact standard for divining both, and we're not clairvoyant. nevertheless, i would offer that president xi is -- you know, the thing that impels leadership in china first and foremost is domestic stability. >> rose: hence, there is a paranoia. >> well, yes, i think there is a certain amount of, as we would call it, paranoia about being contained, very sensitive about the appearance of the cues contain -- of the u.s. containing china. so i think the manifestation of that behavior is the way they have approached their claims in the south china sea. but the biggest thing internally is domestic stability. so he's embarked on a reform program to try to eliminate corruption, and i think he's bent on keeping a control by the party apparatus, as well, which i find both disturbing and also impressive as the extensive militarization the chinese have mounted across many fronts. >> rose: including a huge naval investment to extend their power in the world. >> yes, and also in the space arena. >> rose: right. in recognition of our dependence on space for lots of purposes, they have accounted for that as a part of their modernization. >> rose: characterize the middle east. >> a mess. ( laughter ) it makes your head hurt, it really does. it's an extremely complex situation there, and the complexity is probably most focused right now in syria, the many competing interests there. >> rose: including the russians. >> including the russians. i think tom friedman, many of you know from -- writes for the "new york times" -- i thought he had one of the great talks on sunday which is the mead is too important toying nor and too expensive to fix. >> rose: you said we can't fix the middle east. >> no, we can't. >> rose: what can we do? we can help others, but in the end, i think fixing the mideast, whatever that means, is not something the united states can do unilaterally. >> rose: but we're participating in iraq in the battle to retake mosul with special forces and the air force. >> correct. >> rose: how long will that take? >> probably a long time. i tell you the greater dern i would have is what happens after mosul is diclaird erecaptured? >> rose: and what is your concern? >> what will happen in terms of holding it and more importantly, what about governance in mosul and recovery, depending on how much destruction occurs, you know, in a highly urbanized situation. and if that vacuum isn't filled rapidly with governance, provision of municipal services, et cetera, et cetera, that will just, you know, provide the fertile ground for i.s.i.l or some other extremist group to come back. >> rose: everybody in today's papers talk about turkey wanting to be in. turkey is saying, please, we want to come fight and be part. is that sort of like you want to be in on the takeoff so you can be in on the landing? >> the turks have -- yes, they are concerned about i.s.i.l, but the primary concern they have, of course, is a united kurdish nation -- if i could use the term with air quotes -- across their southern border. so they are most concerned about the kurds. that's their primary motivation. of course, to the extent they can prosecute the campaign against i.s.i.l -- >> rose: the iraqi prime minister said he assumed this is going faster than he expected, and you have all the things, after mosul falls, you have said, you know, you clearly need some kind of governing there. >> right. >> rose: this is also a concern in syria as well in terms of what happens there, you know, and if, in fact, i.s.i.l is defeated in raqqa, if that happens and they take the battle somewhere else, and you end up with a civil war there, just the civil war -- >> well, we already have one -- >> rose: that's what i mean, but that's the primary fight there against the assad government and rebels. >> it's more complex than that because there are so many shades of opposition groups in syria and, of course, the added complexity of the russians who very much want to keep their beachhead to a hold, whatever figure you want to use, in the mideast, and by propping up what has been a staunch ally of theirs. again, you know, that just adds to the complexity there. >> rose: it's likely assad will be empowered when president obama leaves. >> well, that's a fair guess, yeah. >> rose: so what do we do? what's our strategy? >> not my department. ( laughter ) >> rose: what worries you the most? >> hmm? >> rose: what worries you the most? >> well, in general or -- >> rose: about syria and about where it's going and about whether mosul will make more likely an attack on raqqa, whether al-nusra is -- what role they play, you know -- >> what concerns me, i guess, is -- lots of things concern me. >> rose: in fact you said the thing you worry about most is the thing you don't know. >> you remembered. exactly. that's very good. ( laughter ) so it is a concern. i think what we have to be mindful of as -- you know, the nation state attributes, such as they are, of the caliphate asserted by i.s.i.l is being defeated. >> rose: right. as a so-called or nation-state-like entity. but i think the history of i.s.i.l going back to its al quaida in iraq roots is up with of -- roots is one of resilience and flexibility. so the situation -- what worries me about all this is we've gotten focused, understandably, on recapturing territory or cities and, in this case, mosul and iraq and raqqa in syria. when that happens, i.s.i.l, what form does it take after that? because it's probably not going to go away, and it will morph into something else or other similar extremist groups will be spawned, and i believe we will be in the business of suppressing these extremist movements for a long time to come. >> rose: so whatever happens in raqqa, i.s.i.s. will still be with us in some form or under some name, in the same way they morphed out of al quaida in iraq? >> right. >> rose: when you look back, in terms of the intelligence world you have inhabited, what mistakes have we made? for example, with the focus on terrorism and all we had to do by nature, did we take our eye off what russia was doing? >> that's a very good question, and i have been concerned about -- for the program i manage, the national intelligence program, which is what funds the agencies and the other components of the intelligence community is the very large proportion of that that is devoted to counterterrorism, and while, at the same time, keeping our eye on all the other challenges that we have and, you know, major nation states like russia, china, north korea and iran, while we're so focused and so consumed ana so preoccupied by counter-terrorism, so i do worry about that. how we allocate resources in proportion to each one of those targets is not the unilateral intelligence community's decision. we had lots of pep from the policymakers and the congress as well to determine those priorities, but just sitting in my position, i worry about that. >> rose: you have experience in this, too. should the same person command both n.s.a. and cybersecurity? >> well, i think we've reached the point where it is time to separate the two. i was a part of the decision-making in the pentagon, when i was the under secretary for intelligence, to start cybercom both as a subunified command and dual-hat arrangement. that was never intended to be permanent, and that's been six years. i do think that we've reached the point where each of these responsibilities, you know, cybercom, commander and director of n.s.a., are large enough and of sufficient magnitude that they should be separate. i've done a couple of agencies myself as director of d.i.a. and director of n.g.a. for almost nine years and running any of these agencies is an all-consuming 7 by 24 proposition, so i, for lots of reasons, think they should be separate. >> rose: two last questions before i turn it over, if you were to leave a note on the next president's desk as is sort of a tradition with presidents, what would your note to the next president say in. >> i would hope that the next president, whoever it is, would continue in the tradition of the current president in allowing and encouraging truth to power. i think that is a fundamental writ of intelligence that it be presented to the president in unpoliticized, unvarnished manner, and i would hope the next president would continue -- >> rose: to want that and to need that. >> and to encourage it and to defend it. >> rose: last question. you said that what you worry about is what you don't know. and i mean this seriously. what might you not know? >> well, a lot. >> rose: what is it that might be out there that you don't know about but you have some sense of -- you know, intuition backed by experience and some evidence that scares the hell out of you >> well, when you have some insight into, say, a terrorist plot, even though you may not know a lot of the details, but you have some insight, you may not know timing, may not know all the individuals who are involved, may not know exactly what the nature of the plot may be, but if you have something to start with, you can build on that. you can bring to bear more resources, more collection. so the situation -- the things you worry about when you have no insight whatsoever into a potential bad event and, of course, you can conjure up all sorts of nefarious scenarios that, you know, could happen that you may not know about. >> rose: i haven't asked you this one last question about climate. is climate a national security issue? >> it certainly is. we're seeing this, already, the effects of climate on national security issues. the things like availability of water or food or energy, and this increasingly, i believe, is going to play a big part in our national security landscape in the future. >> rose: director clapper, thank you so much for joining us. ( applause ) >> rose: 20 years of the tiger woods foundation, and to hear people who have been touched p by the tiger woods foundation and all the scholars who are found the cause of education to find a new life. we want to talk about education, philanthropy, this remarkable relationship between tiger and phil, between tiger and nike and talk about golf. it's an honor for me to be here. let's me again with the obvious question, how did you two get together? >> he hired me. >> rose: he did? he came to you and said, i have some money for you. how much will it take? phil? >> yeah, just got to be a negotiation. but i got into new york last night in time to watch the debate. >> rose: yes. and i would say that tonight's event is a lot better than that. ( applause ) which is not really a compliment. but one thing i learned from that is a new use to the word "pivot." as long as tiger made me get up here, which i don't really like to do that much, i decided, for the next minute, we'll talk about what i want to talk about. ( applause ) i will read from a 1997 issue of "sports illustrated." "the 1997 masters was a monumental record-breaking week, but beyond the scope of any record book, tiger broke down racial barriers that have been embedded in this sport since its inception. woods identified as one-half african-american and one-half thai. but what the public saw from augusta national to those fluid to their televisions is winning the national championship. the course had only begun to allow african-americans to become club members seven years prior to woods' victory. clifford roberts, 1933, once said as long as i'm alive, golfers will be white and caddies will be black. roberts' quote does not mention champions. i was there that day. on the 18th green, the clubhouse with its maintenance people, its cooks, its waiters, emptied, african-americans dropped their frying pans, mops, writing pads and came out to the 18th green to cheer. this was golf's jackie robinson moment. 19 years later, it's somewhat forgotten because of what happened next. tiger woods simply went on to transcend race. he is cheered by people from every nation and every color because of the dramatic way he won, because of his relationship with his mother and father, because of his relationship with his kids, because of his big smile and the way he competed. for 20 years, nyc's been a small part of that journey, a slideline, really, but i can tell you it's been an honor. ( cheers and applause ) >> when we first started the foundation 20 years ago, it was basically a traveling circus. around various cities trying to raise funds for local junior golf charities and trying to teach the kids there's a way to earn money, to earn a job and earn a living besides going out there and playing professional golf. fast forward, we had a tragedy here. 9/11 happened. i was in st. louis playing the american express championship, and i drove home on the 13th, non-stop, 18 hours, and i just kept thinking, what if i was in one of those planes in the building and i was gone, what would my foundation look like? and it would be gone. and, so, a week later, i went to my dad and said, pops, we need to create something different. we need to create something the kids can call their own, something they can touch and feel and something that is bricks and mortars. he says, what do you have in mind? i said, we have to create a building. he said, okay, let me go to work. ten days later, he says, okay, i've got this place in anaheim you might know. it's h.d. miller where i played my high school golf across the street from savannah high school, and the mayor agreed to a 50-year lease, a dollar a year, and they believe in what we can do for the community. i said, sweet. and he says, all right. what do you want to do? i said, we're going to change the foundation from golf-based to educational based. he said, why? well, i was raised where family came first, then education, then sports, whatever sport it may be, baseball, track, cross country or golf. so let's go back to putting family and education first instead of golf. he says, all right. you're taking over. i said, really? he said, you're ready. i set up for the direction. you're the boss, let's go. >> rose: does this represent a second part of your life even though you created the tiger foundation with your dad in 1997? >> yeah, t.g.r. is part of chapter 2 of my life. i'm not going to play golf at the elite level 20 more years. i'd like to, but i know that's not going to happen. i can't wait to get a senior tour and get a cart. i'll just be driving around in my cart. put joey on the back. ( laughter ) but that's where, you know, i think this work is far more important than hitting ball and making a few putts. this work, as i said will change the world. these kids need our help, our support, our guidance, and i think they deserve it. >> rose: you both are passionate about science education, stem, you've given money to argon. tell me about that sense of commitment for both of you? >> science is really about the future. in a lot of ways, they're somewhat synonyms, and i think basically that will ultimately be what defines the united states and oregon and really the world going ahead, to educate jung people in that area i think is hugely important. >> rose: and stem for you? yes, science, technology, engineering and math is, i think, the way of the future. our lives have changed so quickly so fast. i remember we were joking around earlier tonight that, when i was in college, we didn't have the internet, and i don't feel like i'm that old. we're talking about the dewey december mall system and -- dewey decimal system and microfiche. this happened so quickly. this is the way of the future as phil alruded to. >> rose: how have you seen tiger change over the years? >> i'm not going to pivot on you. only the one pivot. obviously, he's gotten a little older. >> yeah, hair. i'm not talking about hair. you know, he says, thanks for taking a chance on a skinny kid. yeah, he was skinny, but he was already a phenom, so it wasn't really that big a risk. we expected it to turn out well, and it's turned out even better. but he's obviously matured, and i'm proud of the way he's matured, i'm proud of his association. ( applause ) >> rose: so there is nobody in this room who doesn't want to know how's your golf? >> i assume you're talking to tiger. ( laughter ) >> i'm playing at home, shooting good numbers, shooting the mid 60s and things of that nature, but that's one thing. but i need to get out there and do it in a tournament setting and situation. i'm getting there. i'm getting to a point where i'm feeling more explosive, hitting faster, balls are starting to jump off my club face again, and i'm starting to gain confidence in my body, and it's a lot of fun. i've seen the numbers, i've seen what these younger guys are doing and what they're able to do, and my numbers are climbing. so i'm excited about it, but also, as we all know, it's about getting the job done and shooting the lowest score possible. and i understand how to play out there. i just need to get out there and do it. just do it. ( laughter ) ( applause ) so i will. >> rose: there is also the question of when. ( laughter ) >> in the future. >> rose: what is it about him, phil, that makes us so curious about him and so rooting for him to come back is this. >> well, it is really interesting that you have the five best players in the world, even though tiger hasn't played in almost a year, that tiger enters a tournament, tv ratings go up 25%, and that the world is interested in tiger and it's just -- because, well, if you want to just look at the commercial aspects of it, which in some ways is what we're talking about, he's done it all. basically, he's articulate, he's a great human being, he's handsome and he wins. aw -- ( laughter ) no, i mean, it's the full package of what you're looking for, for us for an endorsement, what television is looking for, for a hero. >> rose: why is it? because he played the game so well and people want to see him come back, and if they might be witnessing that, that's why the ratings go up. >> well, i think so, and they're rooting for him. you know, when you elect a president, he becomes part of the family, and sports is -- sports and music are the big parts of american culture people identify with. so tiger woods has for 20 years been part of the family and they want part of the family come back. >> rose: and you have the tiger foundation and you know you're touching lives and to know what the tiger foundation can do to change a young person's life that has meaning as much as winning golf tournaments? >> to be honest with you, as a sports figure, we're in the entertainment industry, you know, and we're just on tv entertaining people. people want to watch, cheer, root or boo, whatever they want to do, but that's part of it. what we're doing with the foundation and helping these kids is literally going to change the perception and reality of their lives and make it so much better not only for them but their entire families and communities, and that spreads like wildfire. we're trying to do it at the grassroots level, and it's been fun these last 20 years, but these next 20 and beyond will be absolutely incredible. >> rose: what new directions might you go with the tiger woods foundation beyond what we talked about? >> we're focused on stem. we're very single-minded on that. i believe in being focused on one thing, and i think we've done that, but i think there is different opportunities within that. what i mean by that is we can expand using our new digital platforms not just here domestically but internationally. we can teach so many different kids in these different areas that whatever their needs are, i think we will meet them through stem, and each individual city or each individual state or each individual country may have different needs, and it's up to us to work with the government bodies or the states or even the cities at the local level to know what exactly those needs are, and we will create the programs that are necessary for those needs. >> rose: will you take a more public role, generally? >> absolutely. that's one of the reasons why we created t.g.r. this is the new chapter 2 of my life and, yeah, i will take a more public role in that regard, but i still want to take some tournaments. >> rose: that's the warrior spirit. have you known anybody who knew michael jordan -- have you known anybody that has the will to win any high than the guy to your left? >> no, it's right at the top, but there are others that are alongside of him, michael being one and lebron being another one and maria sherr pova sit -- sharapova sitting out here today being one -- ( applause ) -- it's a common trait of the greats. >> rose: define it for us. well, serena williams, maybe, also. >> rose: yeah. and it wasn't -- in her early years, she wouldn't really play good till she was down and then she just wouldn't lose. and i think that's what it is. they just refuse. there are not have many of them. you can see many, many people come along with the potential or the next great one and very few of them become the next great one, and really, to be really great, it comes more from inside than outside, really. >> rose: did you acquire that, tiger, or were you born with it? >> i've learned to develop it, but i've always liked beating people. first of all, i wanted to beat my dad in whatever we were playing. that, to me, was fun. i like to compete. okay, i like to compete. i'm very competitive by nature and veria aggressive by -- and very aggressive by nature when it comes to competing. so i'm not afraid to mix it up and get out there and try and get it done. >> rose: there is been no diminution of that, that will, that intense desire? >> well, the mind hasn't changed, but the body certainly has. ( laughter ) i've put it through its paces. we've won through -- i've won through tough injuries and tough times fiscally, but what's allowed me to do that has been, i think, the internal drive has allowed me to overcome some of these obstacles, some of the different injuries i've had and played through, and even some of the injuries that people don't know i've played through. but, you know, the whole idea is, once i start and compete, that's it. you just go out there and compete, and i try to figure out a way to get it done. >> rose: your mom is in the audience, maybe. is she here? >> let me just say tiger's desire to beat his dad was real. he kept a scorecard the first time he ever beat his dad, and they went to the 17th hole all even and his dad went par-par and tiger went par-birdie. and we took the card, photographed it and we have it in a building at our campus, coincidentally named the tiger woods building, but it's about this size and it's signed by tiger woods, age 11, 10 months. shot a 71, by the way, on the blue. >> rose: do you remember -- i remember playing my as off that day. ( laughter ) >> rose: do you remember hole by hole, shot by shot, of the great majors you've won? >> and the tournaments i've lost, too. i have a pretty good memory of most i've played. >> rose: what's it like coming up on the 18th hole of the final day knowing you've won again? >> knowing i've won is one thing, but i've still got to cross the hein. one of the things i learned in track and cross country is it's not over. you run through the tape. just because i know i have a big lead, whether in double digits or not, doesn't matter, i've still got to finish the race. so i keep pushing myself, keep pushing. it's interesting, sometimes i make birdie on last hole because i've just got to be keep pushing. it's weird how i keep pushing myself at times. in 2001, i had a chance to win the masters, to win four majors in a row, and i made the putt in the last hole and i went to the side. i was about ready to get my yardage book out for the next hole, and i thought, crap, i just won the masters. ( laughter ) but i was just so prepared to move on and keep going, i finally realized i just won. that kind of gives you an insight into how i am and keep moving. >> rose: do you learn more from losing or winning. >> both. i think so it's both. i have to take a serious look at myself. it's what allowed me to win. where did i go wrong when i lost. in this sport, we lose far more than i win. so taking a harder look at myself sometimes, it's not fun, you know, that i messed up on that this year, made a wrong decision here, should have played that angle, you know, why didn't i understand or remember what that putt broke like three years ago. you know, i had the same putt. that, to me, are things that are fixable but also are taking a hard look at myself at times and turning around for the next day. >> rose: we are here celebrating the 20t 20th anniversary of this foundation and we've laid out what the future of the foundation is, we've talked about your game, your nse, a second beginning.aof in a so thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: thank you, phil. thank you. 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