are. >> rose: we continue with a conversation of mark phillips of cbs news london. >> i think we're at a crisis in journalism now, not just tv journalism, and i think it's been illustrated -- being illustrated now in the course of the presidential election campaign here, was illustrated in the course of the brexit referendum campaign, we're applying rules that served us well of fairness and balance and letting the two sides make their arguments and presenting it in the same way we have historically covering politics in the western world. >> rose: and we conclude with reid hoffman, part two of a conversation about the future of technology. >> if someone described facebook before it existed, you would have thought it seems like an awful invasion of privacy, yet over a billion people every day using this, sharing experiences and pictures. that being said, what i think it is key is to surface the issues to pay attention to them and try to navigate the technology to get most of the benefit. >> rose: space exploration, a career in journalism and the future of technology part two, when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: as the week ended, so did the 12-year flight to have the rosetta, the first spacecraft to successfully orbit a comet and early friday morning sent one last batch of images and landed on that comet and powered down. joining me from washington, rachel feltman of "the washington post," and dr. michelle thaller of n.a.s.a. and daniela hernandez to have the "wall street journal." welcome one and all. it's so good to have three women here to talk about science, and i look forward to it. it's such a great story. >> super exciting. >> rose: let me begin with dr. tharl, tell me about rosetta, what was it about? and what did we learn from it? >> comets are exciting. people know they're large balls of ice and rock but i don't think people understand how scientifically valuable they are. they're actually time capsules. they're bits of planets that were never made into anything larger. so when our solar system was forming billions of years ago, bits were left over that became comets and astroids. when you sample a comet you have a chance of seeing what the solar system was like billions of years ago, where our chemistry came from and the history of where we are. what's interesting about rosetta, there is beauty of the images, but the water in our bodies are more like in the astroids and comets. we're piecing together the origin of life. >> rose: this was a 12-year flight? >> the launch was in 2004, yep. >> rose: let's talk about the touchdown. that sounds amazing to me. >> isn't it amazing? >> rose: yes. there was the phi the end of time. >> rose: this handing must have been very difficult to land on a comet? >> well, they had practice before, as dr. thaller said. the philae landed back in 2014. that was not without its dramatic moment, of course. the scientists wanted it to land on a flat surface so that it wouldn't bounce around and leave the comet, because it doesn't have as much of a gravitational pull as earth. but as they discovered later, it actually bounced around a little bit. this time, they're not able to likely know exactly what happened to it now that it's on the comet because the link back -- its communication link back to us is now severed. >> rose: what's most surprising about this, then? >> about -- >> rose: this successful mission and landing on the comet? is it the landing or the data that they have gained or understanding something about the way -- >> i think it's both. >> rose: -- things work? something that came to be after many, many years of dreaming that something like this could happen, the idea for this mission goes back to the 1970s. it wasn't approved until the 1990s, and then it finally took off in 2004 2004. we are now trying to land and mine astroids for business purposes and this gives us clues as to how we can go about doing that. as dr. thaller said, the data that came back, the linkage to the beginning of time is interesting and beautiful. i love a lot about thisry?at story. you know, i have been following it since the orbiter started to orbit the comet a couple of years ago and, you know, that -- that philae landing was fantastic. it captured the public's interest. people have been more engaged with this comet than otherwise because people got attached to the lander and invested in the story when it went missing. it's wrapped up nicely. it's very recently they actually located the lander in its final resting place, and one thing i love about the end of the rosetta mission is that it sounds like a waste of a billion-dollar spacecraft that crashed into a comet, but it's actually a perfect way to end the mission. the comet is on the outward leg of the orbit. as the spacecraft got farther away, it would have lost the sunlight it needed to power its system. so instead of watching it slowly die or hoping five years from now they would weight up again, they decided to send it on a final nose dive into a particularly interesting active part of the comet, so the data they got in the landing today will attribute the body of knowledge we have about this comet and comets in general. so it's an awesome way to send off a successful mission. >> rose: i want to remind the viewers that the comet is moving at 80,000-mile-per-hour, so coming down on top of something moving 80,000-mile-per-hour. dr. thaller, helps us understand more about comets. what happens when they approach the sun? what do we learn from them and why are they important? >> this is one of the main goals of the rosetta mission waso to observe a comet as it cloms closer to the sun. a lot of people know comets have beautiful tails and the tails happen when the gases begin to warm up and sublime and hang around and the solar wind blows the tail out. that's usually what you see associated with the comet is this beautiful long tail. the amazing thing about this mission is we were there for the beginning of the process. we were there as it approached the sun, as it became more active. we saw jets of gas coming off the comet. so this was a ring-side seat to understanding the process of what creates that tail. so that was one of the more exciting things for me as day by day as it got closer to the sun, you would see more activity and more dramatic things going on. >> rose: this is a reminder. two things happened this week. we also were reminded by elon musk that he's going to try to go to mars and try to send spacecraft to mars and people to mars at some point in the future, and then this remarkable landing on a comet by rosetta, i mean, this says one more time that the exploration of the skies is continuing, you know. there have been this constant exploration of what we don't know is continuing even though it might not have had as much attendant publicity when certain sending up spacecraft to land on the moon and tall attendant publicity with all of that. yes? >> well, you know, one of the things for me is the advent of social media kind of changed what publicity means. i was very impressed by the fact when we flew by pluto about year ago, we had a social media footprint of over 12 billion, which means billions of people around the world actually came back more than once to learn about the mission. so it's true in the apollo days things were being talked about in the united states, things were sort of front-page news, but i'm very proud of the fact that we have a very, very broad reach now and, so, the evolution i've enjoyed seeing and the european space agency took wonderful advantage of this with rosetta and n.a.s.a. went along with this as well. i love the social media presence of this. >> rose: n.a.s.a. was involved in what they? >> n.a.s.a. contributed three of the instruments, we collaborated on a fourth treatment and a number of project scientists and all that. but as far as social media, they have cartoon characters for the orbiter and the lander and everything that was happening, these characters would show you what was going on. i hate to say, i got sort of emotionally attached to them, the philae lander went the to sleep and kind of tucked itself in, i found myself choking back tears there. they got me emotionally involved in the mission. i love the social media program. >> rose: are we going to change and learn new things about the formation of the universe and the relationship between -- >> well, we learned quite a pit of things already. for example, we -- we learned there were amino acids on the comet that maybe helped seed life on earth. scientists don't think there was life on these comets, but when they crashed on to earth, maybe they brought with them a starter pack for life. >> rose: a startup back for life? >> exactly. right now, one of the compounds is found in lots of proteins. you also have phosphorous being brought by things like this, and that's involved in the dna makeup. so you have these elements that link us back to the beginnings of the universe, and there is tons and tons of data images that the rosetta spacecraft took that the scientists will continue to analyze for years to come. >> rose: associated peres wrote and i'll ask you about this, rachel, the associated press wrote should earth ever be threatened by an astroid, the experience gained from the rosetta mission would prove valuable. >> yeah, so, you know, in general, you know, when we talk about flying space rocks, you know, we want to understand how they are, how they behave during their orbit. you know, one thing that's interesting is that, when we look at astroids near earth and, you know, the upcoming astroid-related missions that nay is a has -- n.a.s.a. planned -- you know, they're going to grab a piece of an astroid or redirect an astroid -- and a big part of the mission is understanding the way those bodies interact with the sun as they come closer to it. for example, we know that when these bodies warm up, it changes their trajectory a little bit, but we don't quite understand that well enough to factor that into, you know, models of how close they might get which is often why there is kind of a large margin of error when you're talking about how likely it is for something to hit earth. so just understanding how these things are composed, you know, how they came to be, how they act when they're close to the sun, will really help us, first of all, determine whether or not something was actually a threat. also if we get good at having spacecraft that can successfully orbit or land on these bodies means we're more likely to be able to interact with them in a way that would stop them from colliding with earth. >> rose: what is the most tantalizing question for you about space exploration? i'll start with you, michelle. >> right. well, you know, the reason we do space exploration really is to look for our own origins. we're trying to find a bit of our own history out there, all the way back from the big bang to the formation to have the solar system, and comets are a really, really important piece of that puzzle. we have a sample of what you were like, what your molecules were like and the conditions were like a billion years ago. i'm looking for the story of why am i talking to you and how did the universe make that happen? >> rose: rachel? i'm exciting about the upcoming planned mission to uropa in 2022 and looking at the moons in our own solar system that have the global oceans on them that for all we know could be full of weird microbial life. to me, it's exciting when we talk about other planets and so ther solar systems, but the idea that, you know, we might be able to find life so close to home or not find life, even though all the conditions that should support it exist, is so intriguing, and i can't wait until we're far enough along to answer those questions. >> rose: exactly. and for you? >> i'm a huge traveler, so for me it's the idea that perhaps, in my lifetime, i will be able to pay maybe a couple hundred thousand dollars or less to get into space and see -- >> rose: you want to go? i want to go. i want to go up there and see the earth and the moon. >> rose: me, too, because anybody who's seen it says it's like nothing -- you can't imagine the experience of seeing the perspective of there is earth. >> i get choked up just seeing glaciers, so seeing the earth from above would be spectacular. >> rose: thank you all. it's a pleasure to have you on this program and know all you. you whet my appetite to know more about exploration of space. so thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. great to be here. >> rose: we'll be right back. astay with us. >> rose: mark phillips is here, he's senior foreign correspondent for cbs news and one of the most respected journalists in the news room. his unique style of writing blends accuracy and at tod with a little humor mixed in on the side. his catalog of work earned him the respect of his peers and been recognized with multiple emmys and in 2013 the edward r. murrow award. he covered the sir yrn refugee crisis to the royal family. here's a look at some of his many reports. >> a sleeping princess not ten hours old when she left the hospital with her parents, it may be a while before any prince charming arrives to wake her, but if she had opened her eyes, she would have seen what would have become a familiar sight, hundreds hundreds of people looking at her. are you telling people are richer. >> financial markets are rubbish. i used to work in them. >> the queen doesn't only understand the job, royal author robert hardeman said she defined it. >> the queen is not elected. she's there to b not to do. >> and she has been just about everywhere and met just about everyone. >> nice to see you again. those who have been dealing with the crisis on the ground, like francesca rocka of the red cross, aren't holding out much hope for a quick solution. >> something that must be solved. this week we will have again another meeting, we are awaiting, every week there is a meeting but no response from the meeting, nothing happens. >> nothing happens because the arithmetic doesn't add up. if you take the numbers of all the migrants various countries agreed to accept, that still doesn't account for all of the migrants who are already in europe and there are more coming. >> rose: mark phillips has been based in the london bureau more than two decades. please to have had him here. he is a colleague and highly respected on the part of me and my colleagues at the "cbs this morning" program. welcome. >> thank you very much. >> rose: can you think of anything you would rather do? >> other than go sailing? anything workwise that i could live on? >> rose: make a comparable income. >> no, i could not think of a career that i would have rather had than the one i have had. you know, it's not all gallivanting around for the world's garden spots, i will say that. >> rose: some of them can be like hell. >> some of them are hell. and the hours are crazy because if you work overseas, you know, you're up until midnight, 1:00 in the morning doing the evening news, then your show in the morning early enough and that kind of thing, but, no, it's been pretty satisfying. >> rose: is it simply storytelling that you love? >> it's finding out stuff, which i guess amounts to the same thing, and figuring out how to get across what it is that you're witnessing, and not just that, but even more important, what your witnessing means, not just to the people there but in the audience back here. >> rose: you did a little q&a with the people at cbs, and i read the transcript of that. ( laughter ) >> i must do that. >> rose: here's what came out of it, a great accepts of the explanatory role of journalism, connect events to the lives of people. that kind of thing, so that it's not just the shock of the new, it's the meaning of the new. >> yeah, i think -- i think we all recognize in television that it's not the best medium for explaining stuff. it's too easy to rely on the emotional. it's a closeup medium, the crying, tear-stained baby's face -- >> rose: the face of victim. it is the journalism of victimhood because, a, it's the thing you see and it's a lot easier to put that picture on the air and let it tell its story than it is to get into the reasons why that kid is in that situation. >> rose: people constantly say to me, why so many fires and why so many floods? >> well -- >> rose: can you explain why? it's not just in tv, there is a tendency right through the media in journalism generally of if it bleeds it leads maxim, but there is also the responsibility if you're there to tell people not just what's going on but why it's going on. >> rose: the london bureau is legendary within the halls of cbs. it goes back to murrow, you won that award, goes through colinwood and great producers and correspondents. i mean, there is something there. >> there is. i think it's a very special place within the company and within the business. it was effectively the first foreign bureau established by murrow in the war yearser. >> rose: he was then radio. yes. >> rose: is london the place you would most rather live? >> i think the more places you live, the more you would like to live in a place with the good things of all the placous did live. there's no perfect place but london is a nice place to call home. >> rose: if you were there during the years that went from brezhnev to gorbachev to -- >> i had three general secretaries. >> rose: and a andropov. and i had 13 months of cehnanko and the gorbachev thing. it was a a whirlwind when i was there and during the period when you could see the bits falling off the system, the dissident system was very active at that point, street market were being set up, there was a desperate attempt to keep the system together on the part of gorbachev again realizing, he said later, it was a losing cause. so yes, it was a terrific time to be there. >> rose: interesting, at cbs news, one of the meaningful moments when i was so new, i did night watch and cherniko died and i had to announce the death to the world from cbs news in washington. so i thought, there i was, we opened to moscow and there was the kremlin, and i thought, my god, and i had a long-standing interest in russia, have interviewed lots of russians include foreign ministers and one president. what do you think of putin? >> i think he fits the picture. the russians like their leaders strong and the strong hike to stay leaders. so they gather leaders of survival around them and he falls in that mold the great democratic experiment in the post-'89 post-'90 years. never put out roots. it's a tough place to be an opposition politician or journalist some days. >> rose: like turkey. some ways like turkey. some ways, journalistically, i kind of prefer the old moscow. i have been back quite a few times since living there and i giggle when i walk down the streets now because the old task building which had the names carved into stone are now covered with the signs for panasonic and hyundai and what have you but if you know they're there, they're still there. it's pretty amusing some times. >> rose: what was the most interesting war you've covered? >> it's hard to talk about having a favorite. interesting war? i don't know if there is a more interesting war. i think i did a count of somewhere up around 20 different conflicts i covered over the years? you said something interesting about that, too. how do you know when this is the last one? i talked to richard engle, he said it's less attractive. >> that happens. no, i'm not a fan of what i call bullets-whizzed-around-me journalism, the classic joke of the newspaper reporter who files copies saying "bullets whizzed around me as..." wires. >> rose: the hemingway tradition. >> yes. i don't think you have to be jumping in holes and covered in dust to explain these things. i think there probably, is you know, one role of the dice too many that sadly people have paid the ultimate price on. you never know when that's coming but sometimes i think you can smell when it's close. >> rose: can you really? i think you can, yeah. of all the places i have been, i can think of two or three times i thought, i really shouldn't be here, you know, this could be it. >> rose: when you feel that, what's your instinct? to be more careful or -- >> initially duck and be more careful. i think mostly you're thinking how do i get out of this particular one and i will be more careful next time. >> rose: covering culture, there is a lot of culture in london. there is a lot of theater. there is a lot of royal family. there is a lot of opera. you know, i mean, it's a wonderful city to sort of -- and there's the history, which would be enormously appealing to me to be in the midst of all that. >> yes, a great place to live. >> rose: but as a journalist as well. >> yes, it is. i think there are two places, of all the places i lived, two places in europe that are a story in and among themselves if you will. britain is one because of all the things you mentioned. >> rose: britain, not just london. >> yes, but london. people will make the case that london isn't britain the way they make the case new york isn't america, but people live in those places have a different view. >> rose: they do. the other one is italy. >> rose: there's the notion it ends at the hudson. >> that's right. the other one is italy, there is a kind of residual interest in the audience here and for some reason stuff italian, maybe the immigration, people find the brits amusing so you can do a lot of softer pieces, cultural pieces about the british, and you can kind of do it about the italians. nobody finds, somehow, the french or germans amusing. >> rose: amusing is the word. tough to sell softer stories on them. but, yes, london is a fabulous place to live. there is a lot going on. >> rose: so the powers that be say tell me what kinds of stories, what kinds of beats, what kinds of things you would most like to do, what would you tell them? >> the i thin thing i'm trying h most now is the climate story. i think the climate story is the big story around and it has implications that are economic, social. >> rose: you do climate diaries. >> yes, i have a climate diary series that ropes occasionally when i have time to get at it in the midst of everything else that's going on. but i think it's driving a lot of other news these days. it's driving a lot of the refugee question, particularly out of africa. it's undeniable that something's going on and that we have to adjust and somehow cope with what's coming, and we ought to be doing more about it. >> rose: whatever limitations there are in terms of climate, for example, is it your time or air time that is the greater restriction? >> mostly my time. i have to say that the company cbs has been pretty good about and is interested in the story and will put it on, but mostly it's a question of freeing enough time because, you know, news stories kind of happen. you saw bits of the refugee story go by and if there is something royally going on, they take place during a restricted time period and place. the climate stories you have to go get, so there is travel time and production times, what have you. there are fewer of them. we try to make them longer but there are fewer of them. >> rose: it is the biggest story and the biggest challenge we face and a bigger challenge than terrorism, it's argued, not to minimize terrorism at all, but what has the power to threaten our entire civilization. >> yeah, i don't think you have to order it, you know, what's bigger than the other. terror is a big story, no question about it, but i think climate is a freight train chugging down the tracks. >> rose: and there is a lot of coverage, but you don't get a sense, you know, if you listen to al gore who is insistent and obsessive and, i think, right about most of it, you know it's there and a big story, but you don't see people having the same sense of fear. >> no, because it doesn't -- is that you can't see it, unless they go to places where the melting is taking place. >> you're starting to see it. if you look at the numbers, you start to see it. the climate refugee problem which has already beginning to happen. >> rose: explain the climate refugee problem. >> i just did a piece, hasn't gone on the air yet. the u.n. now estimates an area about the size of alaska is what they now call salt-affected agriculture land where, because of encroaching sea levels and climate change, there are areas where people stop growing things particularly in africa and other places, that's part of what's spurring the economic decline, the push of refugees. in the past we've seen nor african than syrian and middle eastern refugees and that's one of the things they're running from. but the problem is that, in television terms, it's harder to do those stories. they aren't bang-bang stories, there isn't the immediate emotional effect of them that you get on other stories. they're longer-term, and you have to convince people that they're important, and it's harder work. >> rose: do you have -- what's your attitude about the royal family? you have an attitude about the royal family. >> i like them. >> rose: is there a connection between them and their public? >> i don't think you can regularly do royal stories without bringing to the whole question a kind of sense of the absurd. yeah, if a martian landed and you were told a country like the u.k., a modern country, still had this thousand-year-old -- >> rose: 80-year-old, 90-year-old woman they worship and has done a very good job as queen. >> very tough act to follow, but i think you would have a tough time selling that idea to a visiting alien. so without being irreverent, and certainly without being insulting, you have to kind of help people along through that story by being perhaps whimsical. >> rose: whimsical is perhaps the word for it. certainly not the word for aleppo. >> certainly not the word for aleppo, no. >> rose: does someone who's had your experience see the tragedy of that and say, i want to be there? >> to be -- >> rose: blunt. -- perfectly honest, not that we haven't been, the answer is yes and no. syria is a particular problem for us because it's the first major conflict we haven't really been able to get at just because it's too dangerous to get at. you can go to damascus -- you know, a couple of weeks ago, they brought people to aleppo, but on the government side. it's just too dangerous to go into syria the way we were going into syria earlier in the war from turkey, linking up with whichever of the rebel groups that you could hopefully trust. it's just too dangerous to do that now, and that's the frustration covering the syrian story. we all know what's going on. past a certain point, i think the audience becomes anured to it as well. to coin a famous phrase, what's aleppo? it's been going on for so long and i think peopleas attitude to it is kind of colored by the frustration of the impotence of being able to affect it. >> rose: isn't the responsibility of journalism to hammer it every night because of that? because people are deadened to it? >> it's a real challenge. nobody would put it on every night, to be frank, although they could. it's a story that happens every day. and the challenge is to keep it on the public agenda, i agree. but it's not an easy thing to do simply because it's kind of falling off the political agenda, as well. >> rose: just pick for a moment, put on that journalism critic hat, is there anything we're not doing we should do? are we not covering things the way we ought to cover things? >> i think we're at a crisis in journalism now, not just in tv journalism, but journalism better, and i think it's been illustrated -- it's being illustrated now in the course of the presidential election campaign here, was illustrated in the course of the brexit referendum campaign, we're applying rules that served us well of fairness and balance and letting the two sides make their arguments and presenting it in the same way that we have historically covering politics in the western world. but in this case, it's like generals trying to fight asymmetrical wars. the the journalism arguments have become asymmetrical. in the brexit, a lot of home work was down showing the calculation why they thought brexit was a bad idea economically, socially, politically. >> rose: why should they remain in the european union. >> yes, why should they remain and things could turn quite sour if they left, and the brexiters, the ones who wanted to leave and ultimately won, would say that's scare tactics, and that becomes the argument, the calculation versus the accusation that you're trying to scare people. >> rose: and we've seen the process beginning to take hold, some were suggesting it may not be as bad as -- >> much too soon to tell. >> rose: others are saying, no, it's not too soon and others are saying it is going to be. >> there is a circular nature to tar arguments. >> rose: the other thing -- let me just say, i think it's being seen here as well in the presidential campaign as well, but i just think that we have to be -- we talk about attitude, we have to be more examining and strive for accuracy as well. there's a problem with being too judgmental, you can't be too judgmental, but i think you have to moderate your approach to the subject matter a little more carefully. >> rose: what you seem to be saying which i tend to agree with is this notion you have to do a lot more digging and a lot more saying it's not just a question of putting a versus b. >> that's right. >> rose: you've got to figure out a way andeth to, seems like, say here is the evidence as to why this argument has more power than that argument. >> yeah, i think so. you have to imply a little more proactive journalism, i suppose, to the approach. it's a very difficult thing to do. >> rose: is it talked that must have among journalism council, people coming together saying this is how we do our job? >> i hope so. i think we're seeing, i would argue, two of the most open and democratic societies on the planet, we're seeing -- we're in a situation now where the types of journalism that we have been applying needs to be examined again. >> rose: a variation of this, too, is the horse race idea. >> yes. >> rose: we spend a whole lot of time saying who's winning and who's ahead. >> yep. >> rose: and sometimes being wrong as you were in the brexit vote. >> yeah, polls are narrowing, polls are spreading. we do too much horse racing. >> rose: i don't want to wrarchg it, but -- i don't want to rank it but is it the political story that causes the most sense of mission to you? >> i'm always interested in power. >> rose: right. and i'm interested in examining how it's applied, the leaders of power, i think that is the great function that's constitutionally protected here of the press in a democracy, but i'm not -- if i had only done politics in my life and worked pure political beats both in washington and ottawa, i don't think it would have been nearly as interesting. >> rose: but at the same time power is about all of the human emotions. >> right. >> rose: thank you for coming. my pleasure. >> rose: mark phillips of cbs news. >> rose: tell me where it is that people like you sit around, think about the future and say we know this will be big, artificial intelligence, we know virtual reality has lots of possibilities, what else? >> i'll do two. a classic for silicon valley is thinking about networks and market places. i this year i invested in uber for small trucking called convoy. how do you enable people to be productive and facilitate truck network like a car network like uber and lyft and whatnot and we look at those. those are still classic because it's how do you design and improve human ecosystems and those are still very interesting. the other one is one of the things that has been -- there have been more -- moon shots might not be the right word especially with elon opening up to mars, awesome. but, for example, a number of fusion companies are being invested in where they're, like, maybe -- because if we can solve fusion, climate change is a part of gates' breakthrough energy challenge coalition, and, so, there is a lot of focus on that and actually, in fact, here is a way to think about how silicon valley is, and fusion is just new. >> rose: talk a little bit about, too, this idea of sensors because, two big words, data and sensors. one leads to the other. >> exactly. so what happens, part of what makes the art initial intelligence and a lot of the software happen is you say we have all this electronic data, some of it is attributed to people, but we have sensors all over the place. our mobile phones, cameras, audio mikes, et cetera, sensors have become cheap everywhere. i think it's a good idea to say we should actually do what the british do in london and have cameras on all the public streets. i think that's a good idea. yes, people worry about privacy, but safety, security, ability to respond to things, those kind of things are good and all of that, then, makes that data electronically available which means we can do good things with it. for example, like we're working through what are very important privacy issues -- not we, the industry -- on medical information. for example, if we can put in all of this cancer information and we can study outcomes and remedies and genetics with it, we might today be able to make -- just today's technology be able to make great inroads into cancer just by having a large data set saying this genome with this kind of therapeutic, that works, and that works consistently, so that's how we should prescribe when we have that kind of genome. >> rose: that's what watson does, in part. >> absolutely. >> rose: and very successfully. when you take all these kinds of things and -- is there anything about this that worries you? can you say to us, i'm a technologist, i'm a venture capitalist, i'm an entrepreneur and i, therefore, see all the big ideas that are coming down the pike, and i look at what is extension of those big ideas are, and here are a couple of things that worry me, whether it's privacy or -- >> so broadly, like many of my folks in silicon valley, i'm a tectechtechno-utopian. i think technology leads to progress. there can be pain sorting it out. it's not anything that's technology is good, that's foolishness. our notions of privacy change. if someone described facebook before it existed that would seem like an awful invasion of privacy, yet over a billion people a day are using this sharing experience and pictures. the key is to surface the issues, pay attention to them and navigate the technology to get most of the benefits, it's like, you know, people have always been worried about the industrial revolution, manufacturing revolution. >> rose: information revolution. >> information revolution, they're always worried about the down sides. they should be. it's not wrong to be worried about it. but if we look back on our own history, we're a lot better off when we deploy those revolutions and figure out how to make humanity better, and we change things, like we do an industrial revolution and put in child labor laws. you know, there is things that are legally important to say, okay, let's make sure -- i think we need to solve privacy and we need to solve privacy of medical data and that kind of thing, but if we can get all of the medical data in a comp pewtationly accessible way, we can know therapeutics and those things are important, so broadly speaking, i'm a utopian, but that's not, for example, let's take one of the classic ones around the eye is are we going to have great labor translations and the short answer is yes. >> rose: robots will be doing jobs people do today? >> exactly. that's already happening with manufacturing. the thing we need to do is, as a society, help the people who are being shifted to find other productive ways of being good members of society. it's not wel welfare, it's, no,y job matters and we should do that together as entrepreneurs and government. we should all do that. the big one will be self-driving because self-driving is, okay, there is millions of people who are employed as drivers, truckers, cars, et cetera, and as that changes, we need to make sure that there is a good path for those people for other -- >> rose: where is the valley, if it is in one place, of all the controversy about the capacity to go in the back door of smartphones. everybody seemed to support tim cook with few exceptions. >> yes, i am also a strong supporter of the no backdoor policy, or to be blunt, the way that surveillance should happen is through the mechanism of courts and warrants. >> rose: right. which is the front door. like, oh, we're looking at x. i think that's right from the civil liberties point of view, i think that's right from a global leadership point of view, and i also think that's right from a security point of view. >> rose: if you want to access somebody's smartphone because you think they're either planning or have done something awful like a terrorist act would be, then go to the government and get permission to open that thing. >> yes. and, by the way, internationally, people are supportive of that, too. that's okay when you're doing the, oh, we have a specific reason and we're going through a third-party court, european friends and other folks understand the process. >> rose: is tim cook okay with that? >> yes. >> rose: so that's the solution, i think. well, i don't know -- >> i'm pretty sure. i have not talked to him specifically about it. >> rose: and there is always this talk about, you know, that it's the responsibility to have a serious conversation ability this so everybody is on board. they want to always agree in the end, but they need to have a conversation about this and it ought to be not a decision made by one investigative outfit or another. it should be a decision, whether congress or some other possibility, for understanding where the public -- it ought to be the public that has a role in the decision-making about the balance between security and freedom. >> yes. but one of the things that people don't realize on the cell phone thing is there is security versus security. most to have the solutions that say, well, we'll give keys to a company or government holding them, make the whole thing a lot less secure. >> rose: right. so we do want to have security, but it's not just the don't create master keys, it's not just the backdoor thing, it weakens the entire network to hacking to bad state actors -- >> rose: if you get in the backdoor, then somebody else who does not have the same intent you do will get in the backdoor including people who oppose us internationally. >> we need the help on the security issue. i think they could get more help from us if they agreed to say, look, we're doing it all above board. >> would we all including you be scared to death if we knew how much information there is already on the public record about us? and i mean this company, that company, this credit card and that credit card, this internet acount and that internet, how much they know? >> i think everyone would be really startled. this is, like, for example, you know, there was a credit card company that could actually predict whether or not you were getting a divorce or pregnant before you knew it because they could track your purchases and so forth. it's that kind of thing where you're, like, whoa! that is just mind-blowing. but -- and, look, it is scary, yes. but part of what we need to do is figure out the line on privacy moves. i'm not saying we should accept everything, but it does move, right. so, for example, the fact people can take pictures of us and post them online now and when you're walking into the office somebody can do that, and that happens, and initially it was really creepy, and now it's, ah, somebody took a picture of me walking into the building, okay, fine. >> rose: i know. if you have the least bit of public recognition, you can be standing anywhere, and somebody will come up, i may be talking to you, and somebody would walk into where we are and click as if that's their privilege, but that's the world we live in and evened's got a camera. >> it's creepy but not threatening. >> rose: thank you so much. great to see you. >> great to see you. >> rose: reid hoffman of linkedin. back in a 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