Transcripts For KQED Charlie Rose 20160404

Apartment, a small house, a big house and feel good, you ought to be able to work in a good space. You ought to maximize and the way you organize makes you look beyond your boundaries. The whole idea is the interaction between people and the way they operate in space makes them really expand their thinking. Rose and we look ahead to the final four with jay bilas. We thought coming in that we didnt have separation of the best teams like we had last year. Last year the top six teams were separated from the pack and you had kentucky going for an undefeated season and wisconsin and duke and a number of teams that were head and shoulder better than the field. We didnt have that this year. Rose we conclude with the great golfer Jordan Spieth talking about the masters, tiger woods and his own game. Hit one . Rose hit one. laughter what iron was that . Thats a 7. Rose that looks like my driver. laughter that went a little bit over to the side. Thats better. Rose oh, my god. Look at that. Thats exactly where you wanted it. Thats about three feet from the pin. Dan balz. Zaha hadid. Jay bilas. Jordan spieth. When we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose in politics this week, the candidates are looking ahead to tuesdays very important wisconsin primary. Democrat Bernie Sanders hopes to extend his winning streak from caucuses to a full state, and republican ted cruz hopes a win there will slow Donald Trumps momentum. Were joined from washington by dan balz who is a columnist for the Washington Post and an avid political observer. Dna, thank you for this. Thank you, charlie. Rose let me begin with donald trump. There was the business about ted cruzs wife. There was the business about his Campaign Manager and a woman. There was the business about his interview with Chris Matthews. Is this simply taking a toll in terms of trump and his momentum . Oh, i think absolutely, charlie. I mean, these have been two of the worst weeks hes had. Now, hes had many other problems, as we know, and hes managed to survive them or move past them or put them behind him. But i think there is something materially different now in this. For win, it is increasing the obstacles he has if he is the republican nominee to win a general election, and that could be important if we get to an open convention in cleveland. The delegates there are going to be concerned about whos the best candidate to run in the fall, and the more he has caused himself problems, the more his negatives have gone up with key constituencies in the general election, the more thats going to be on the minds of the delegates in cleveland. So i think were at a moment in which hes got to find some way to reassure people in his own paty that he can be a credible and competitive nominee in november. Rose why doesnt donald trump realize this . Well, charlie, you may know him better than i do. I think hes a complicated person. Rose yeah. I think he knows what he knows, and sometimes he doesnt know what he doesnt know. He operates on instinct. Hes never been through anything quite like this before. Every time with weve seen him get into a jam, you know, his reaction is to double down, not to apologize or not to try to indicate that hes kind of going to ground to kind of learn the mistake or take a lesson from the mistake. And, so, you know, hes an unusual personality in this, and if youre donald trump, you say to yourself, well, this has been successful up till now. Whatever the smart people or the elites or my opponents say about the problems im having, i keep winning, i keep accumulating del dpats, im ahead delegates. Im ahead. He takes so much from the state of follows or the delegate account and not without some good reason, but i think at this moment, you know, he has to kind of take stock about what it all means as he goes into this final round of primary. Rose what was your impression when he talked about Foreign Policy, not only at the New York Times but also at your own the Washington Post . Well, i think if you take the sum total of what he had to say, its a quite radical departure from whether its a republican orthodox are or kind of a general Foreign Policy consensus. Now theres no reason not to sometimes challenge longstanding consensuses on policies, but things he has said about n. A. T. O. , things he has said about giving japan the opportunity to have nuclear weapons, these are unsettling statements that are not necessarily grounded in some larger kind of coherent theory of what the Foreign Policy of e United States should be. I mean, again, hes operating on instinct, as opposed to knowledge, and i think it suggests to a lot of people that he hasnt done the amount of study that you would want in a person who aspires to be the commanderinchief. Rose lets assume he loses for a moment in wisconsin. What does that do for him and whats that do for ted cruz if hes the winner . Well, wisconsin has shaped up as a very important moment i think in part because of everything that has proceeded with donald trump. This is a moment in which if ted cruz wins and wins pretty comfortably, there will be at least a psychological impact on the state of the race. Donald trump will still have more delegates than anybody else and he will still be favored to win in new york on april 19t april 19th which is the next big i vent, but having said that, i think that this will give people who are determined to try to stop him a greater sense of purpose and probably a greater sense that they may be able to pull it off. If he loses wisconsin, you know, its a winnertakeall state. The at large delegates are on the basis of winning the votes. Lets say donald trump comes out with a few delegates. That makes it more difficult for him to get to the 1237 votes he needs to be the nominee on the first ballot and every delegate short of that makes it more difficult, if he gets into a convention, to be able to assemble those delegates. Rose and for Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in wisconsin, what are the stakes . Well, the stakes are important in this sense Bernie Sanders has had a very good run in caucuses and he has won them by not just big margins, you know, huge margins 75 25 and it has given him momentum going into wisconsin. Wisconsin is a very good state for him or ought to be, its an open primary, there is a history of populism and progressivism. We know there is a strong base around the university of wisconsin and madison and in dane county that should be very strong for him, but he needs a victory in this to accelerate or perpetuate the momentum that hes gotten from the recent caucuses. And then we will go into a very big battle in new york. We havent seen a big competitive democratic primary in new york since perhaps 1992 or maybe 1988. So this will shape up as kind of a final battle between the two of them if he comes out of wisconsin with momentum. You know, its important for him to be able to claim that he has the ability to acquire enough delegates to make this competitive. When you stand back from this, secretary clinton still has a very big lead in delegates, particularly given the democratic rules that aloe gait allocate delegates proportionately. She has as her Campaign Says a bigger delegate lead than barack obama did against her eight years ago and we know she was never able to overcome that. So it doesnt necessarily change the calculus about whos the favorite to win the nomination but certainly raises continuing questions about why she is not quite able to put him away. Rose i asked Bernie Sanders on the cbs this morning program, was his successes more of a reaction to her than it was enthusiasm for his own campaign . He obviously said it was enthusiasm for his own campaign, but there is a bit of that in his success, isnt it . Oh, absolutely. I mean, everything we see in polling or have seen is if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, that the Bernie Sanders supporters, for the most part, will be quite happy to support her and to go against whoever is the republican nominee, but there is resistance to her within the party. There is skepticism about whether she is really a real change agent, and we know that a lot of the Bernie Sanders people are looking for that. Theyre looking for somebody who can really shake up the status quo and, to them, Hillary Clinton is much more the status quo. So he has passion behind his candidacy in a way that she hasnt quite been able to generate yet. Rose so what does donald trump say to the Republican Party at this point . He had a meeting with the chairman yesterday, looking, i think, to sort of suggest to try to figure out a way to make him appealing in terms of a general election, but is it too late to do that . If you have so much on a record in the primaries and i once heard bill clinton say dont do anything in the primaries that you will regret in the general election. Well, donald trump certainly has not taken that advice. Rose no, he has not. laughter he seems to have decided hes going to try the opposite and test that case. Rose exactly. You know, i think rose ill prove bill hes wrong. Yes, exactly. I think he needs to do what i think everybody understands he needs to do. He needs to settle down in one way or another. Rose yeah. He needs to find a way to reassure republicans rose but how do you do that at this stage . Well, as you say, there is so much on the record that its very difficult to do it, but, you know, were still three and a half months or so from cleveland. Theres a long time in this race for him to demonstrate some greater i dont know what the right word is gravidas or temperament. I mean, i think it so much goes to the temperament that he displays or the lack of temperament that he displays, whether its in an interview with Chris Matthews or at rallies or wherever, and i think what Republican Leaders are looking for at this point is some reassurance that he is not going to put at risk all of the candidates who are running for senate and house and state legislature in november if hes the nominee. But, as you say, there is so much history thats already accumulated and so much damage thats been done that its going to take real work on his part. Rose bob gates, secretary of defense, National Security director, he said when i look back at history the great president s and leaders have had a firstclass temperament, not necessarily a firstclass mind but often that, too, but theyve all had a firstclass temperament. I think that is the key. The old lionel secondrate intellect, firstrate temperament. Its so important. People know this is a dangerous world. People know we have big problems domestically that have resisted solution from democratic and republican president s and in a sense helped generate the kind of cynicism toward government in washington that trump has been able to use to fuel his candidacy and, yet, when you get into the presidency, people know there are crises that happen, people know that there are risks that come at you and dangerous situations, and i think they want to be reassured that whoever is sitting in the oval office has the kind of temperament that they can rely on to keep the country safe, to look for solutions that are going to affect the whole of the population, and particularly the people who need it the most, and i think thats part of what donald trump is going to have to try to do. Rose dan, its always a pleasure. Thank you so much. Charlie, thank you. My pleasure. Rose zaha hadid, the world renowrnd british architect died thursday, she was 65. Hadid lumped a fatal heart attack in a Miami Hospital where she was being treated for bronchitis. Richard rogers who decide the Pompidou Center and millennium zone said this among architects emerging in the last few debased, no one had more impact than she did. She fought her way through as a woman. Hadid game the first female became the first female recipient of the pritzker prize in 2004 and the british architects gold medal in 2015. Hadid was born in baghdad in 1950. She once said she wanted to be an architect for her entire life. After studying at the Architectural Association in london, she started her own practice in 1979. She quickly gained a global reputation for innovative theoretical works including the peak in hong kong and the opera house in wales. Her vision an ideas were often so complex it took several decades for much of her work to be built. Her completed projects include the fire station in germany, the London Aquatic Centre for the 2012 Olympic Games and the maxxi museum in rome. Hadid said of her own work, i dont feel part of the establishment. Im not on the outside. Im kind of the edge. Im dangling there. I quite like it. I just do what i do, and thats it. Zaha hadid appeared on this program many times over the years. Here are excerpts from some of those conversations. Who has influenced you the most . I would say its a composite influence. Rose well, whos in the composition . Quite a lot of people. laughter i think in the early inspiration, lets say, it was supreme tim. I was seen with rem. Petter isonman. Rose why peter . I had respect for him because he struggles also and reinvents himself. Rose why do you struggle and are your struggles similar . No, i think its very different. Rose because of gender . Partly. I think all architects struggle. Any architect, when you try to do something which is not normative, not part of the status quo rose which is not corporate. Which is not corporate, struggles. Its a struggling profession. But thats what actually make those who survive it very strong because its an unnecessary struggle. Rose meaning what . Well, i mean, what im saying is you spend more time doing things which are not part of Design Projects or doing a project and dealing with the other administrative stuff or, you know, dealing with city rules and regulations. Rose what would you like for people to see as the defining characteristic of your work . Its always changing. Rose changing. I think that through all these tests, i think it liberated certain norms, you know. I think that the idea of liberation meant a more fluid organization, and i think that the idea of a different kind of order, i think, allowed us, in many ways, to think about architecture in a different way, to represent it in one way, to give it that seamlessness, i think, and the difference between the interior, exterior becomes seamless, so the idea you are bringing urban life into the intier yore of civic buildings. Rose has this profession, for you, been worth the struggle . I think so. Rose you think so . Well, i rose yeah, but you i enjoy doing what i did. I know it was difficult, but i did not see it at the time i was doing it as a struggle is that yeah. Just sort of as a process. As a process. Also, i likely believeddeth possible to make i believed it was possible to make these things. So its always a goal that eventually we will get it done. Rose because you are also a student of architecture. If i could say these are ten of the greatest architects, in your judgment, you would say to me, i pick for you, charlie, ten of the best, living and dead, what common quality do you think they might have . I think they all dealt in different ways with space. Rose thats what architects do. Not all architects. Rose space and light, isnt that what they do . E best know how to deal withut space in the most optimal way. In the best way. The word space used to make me cringe, because its meant in time and not spatial experience. The idea that i dont care make space that those who walk into space have a different experience is really the most difficult. Rose you do want people to experience it . I do because i really think it does its really about well being. Its about well being. It ought to make you feel good. You ought to be able to riff in a nice apartment or a small flat u ought to be able to work in a good space. Rose art ought to maximize the way its organized makes you look beyond your own boundary. The whole idea is the interaction between people and the way they operate in space makes them really expand their thinking. Rose when they call you an architect of the future, what do they mean . It means its a surprise. No, i think its unknown. Every time we do a project, its unknown, there is no formula. Rose zaha hadid, dead at 65. Rose the ncaa final four tips off tomorrow night from n. R. G. Stadium in houston. Villanova plays in the first game, North Carolina takes on sir cause in the night cap. Both are rematches from earlier in the season. The evening features a variety of star players but also some of basketballs fine estcoachs who have won more than 2800 games combined. Joining me jay bilas, College Basketball analyst for espn, he will call the international telecast. I am pleased to have him back on this program. Welcome, sir. Thank you, charlie. Great to be with you. Rose tell me how you size up the entire march madness, the ncaa march to the final four . Has it been a good one . I thin i think its been a great one, charlie. We thought coming in we didnt have separation of the best teams like last year. Last year the top 16 teams were separated from the pack. Kentucky going for an undefeated season, wisconsin, duke, and a number of teams that were head and shoulders better than the field. We didnt have that this year and thought that march madness was going to be incredibly chaotic. We had a first weekend that gave us a lot of double digit seed winners but all were washed out of the tournament quickly after that. We had a lot of chalk. By the sweet 16 we had 15 major teams and gonzaga. Gonzaga is the little engine that could, a powerful program. We wounded up getting a lot of talk chock and when your Cinderella Team is syracuse out of a major conference, there is a lot of power. Rose not exactly butler. Exactly. Rose the lineup, the first game is villanova versus oklahoma. How does that look to you . It looks like a fabulous game because both teams start two point guards in their starting lineup and there are teams that spread the floor very effect im and make good use of the threepoint shot. Theyre both good defensively. I would give the edge to villanova on the defensive edge. This man has been a dominant offensive player that it almost reminds you of the way Stephan Kearney is playing in the n. B. A. That theres a joyful nature to the way he plays and hes so fun to watch. When he shoots, everybody thinks its going in, including the defense. Rose and the second game, syracuse . Yeah, i think its a gamey the North Carolina is the dominant team here. I think North Carolina is the best team. They have four interior players nobody else can match with their size and skill, theyre scoring inside and starting to shoot the ball bert. Thats been an issue for carolina over the season is perimeter shooting. Their defense has been at the highest level over the maybe ey defended at a high level. Of i think syracuse are very reliant on making threepoint shots to win. The games where syracuse has lost has not been their defense that has let them down. They may not be as good defensively as in some years past but theyre really good defensively. If they make shots and rebound, thats going to be a key point. Their ability to make shots and their ability to rebound and limit second shots for North Carolina. Nick syracuse can slow the tempo and have a chance to win but i would favor North Carolina as the better team. Rose two great coaches in that match . Yeah, and two guys already in the National Basketball hau half fame. Their legacies are secure in. The villanova, oklahoma game, you ever two coaches to the final four before, jay wright in 2009 and lon kruger went 1994 with florida. Lon kruger is having more fun, i think, coaching than anybody. Nothing seems to bother him. Both he and jay wright, not that the other guys arent really nice guys, they are, but, i mean, if this were a nice guy contest, the contest between lon kruger and jay wright is almost maddening, these guys are so nice. So its a fun group of coaches that are all very accomplished, all very different in their personalities, and i think it will be fun to see somebodys going to get some tremendous validation out of this. Roy williams maybe gets his third championship. Jim bayheim is second and somebody will come away with incredible validation out of this. Rose who do you think that will be . Roy williams, i think. I think hes brought the best team here and, as you know, charlie, the best team doesnt always win in the final four in College Basketball. That may be true in a number of sports but in College Basketballs at least we admit it laughter i think williams has the best team. The chip on your shoulder so far used, i think, but they have played with a sense of purpose that i dont think some of his teams in the last couple of years have had, and theyre seniors and i think they get it . How does it affect a player to be there for the final four . Its one of these dreamcometrue scenarios where youve spent its funny, charlie, youve spent your whole life playing pickup games or your backyard or shooting in the gym, pretending and visualizing and playing for the national re, get to the freethrowu get line, then you start thinking about your backyard because the moments so big. Ive done this a million times, ive done this in my backyard. Its a weird dynamic. I played in this thing 30 years ago, but the memories are fresh about how big it is and how important it is and, you know, charlie, my team lost in the finals in 1986, so its been 30 years. I think another 30 years, ill be over it. Rose not easy, is it . There are a thousand i might have. Yeah. Talk about some of the better players to watch. You talked about buddy heil from oklahoma. Who else should we look at and say this is a player that really has a remarkable collection of skills . Yeah, its a lot of really good seniors weve got this year. In years past, weve had great freshmen who were going to be the number one pick. Anthony davis was a kentucky number one pick in the draft kind of things, and this year weve got a lot of older players that may not have superstar n. B. A. Ability but have true Great College players. Like ryan at villanova and josh hart, guys who know how to play, toughminded, they have been through it and kicked around a little bit and tough upped up by that. I think Brice Johnson add marcus page at North Carolina are players like that. Ben jay started at duke and has become a Great College player. I think hell play in the narks turn into a point guard. For oklahoma you have k a adeem latin, who is just a sophomore, whose grandfather david big daddy latin played for Texas Western in 1956. So 50 years ago, Texas Western does something historic and big daddy latin was the chief architect inside. And now 50 years later, hes coming here not only to be honored but to watch his grandson play in the final four. Rose and finally this you will be doing playbyplay for the international telecast. We know basketball is popular around the world. I was just in china and yao ming is still a hugely popular figure over there. How do you approach it . Not any differently than any other game. We joke its really hard to learn all those languages in a short period of time. Basketball is basketball and you treat the game as you would any other championship game which is a big deal, but its not lost on me that basketball is the second most popular sport in the world and its global reach is growing and growing in this country. Look, i think its the best game because its the only game where every players got to play offense and defense. There is no Committee Meetings in between plays. Its the best. And i think people see the passion of College Basketball and how important it is that not only the players and the coaches but the fans, too. Its a passionate game. Rose is the game Getting Better for spectators, fans, students . Thats a great question. Yes, it is. And issues that you and i have discussed before on your show about the rules and the fact that the games kind of gotten away. Weve changed the rules and went to 32nd clock scoring was up, and wasnt because of freethrows. Theres been a freedom of Movement Initiative where the games wide open and you can see the skill level of the players more. Weve made significant progress. The referees did a great job. Its not perfect, but we made some really solid steps forward and i think there are more that we can make in changing the way the rules of the game, not to change the game, but to keep up with the changing landscape around the game, and i think its been a magnificent change for us and you can see it in the product. Its been great. Rose now, can you say for me its time for a time out in chinese . No, i cant, but Sean Mcdonough can and ill leave it up to him and just nod. Rose great to have you. Thank you so much. Rose . Rose professional golf is making its pilgrim imagine no augusta, georgia this week. Week. 22yearold Jordan Spieth will be back to defend his title in the masters. We talked this week at chelsea peers. Tell me about the masters and you. As a kid growing up, its my favorite tournament in the world. As a professional, its my favorite tournament in the world. Nothings changed. I came close in my first attempt in 2014 and then last year i got off to a hot start. We were able to hold it together. It was really, really incredible, and its tough to explain because you dont get a chance to enjoy it while its happening, like maybe your family does or friends who are watching because you have to stay so focused. But certainly afterwards, the impact its had on me personally for my golf and then the impact its had on golf audience and a nongolf audience is incredible. Rose in 2014 when bubba beat you, did you walk away, im going to win next time . A lot was going through my head at the time. I remember that. I remember thinking should i be upset about the way this happened . Or should i take positives away from this, given it was my first trip, i was 20 as the time, and maybe didnt expect to be a former masters champion on that stage. But, no, i dont think i was saying get me back, i want to win it again. I was saying give me another opportunity in a major, i want to try and test what ive learned from this experience. Rose what is it about the course itself . Its so welldesigned. Every time you play it, you seem to learn something more about it that you appreciate, whether its different angles and different pins. Even though you play the same 18 holes, seems like you play a different golf hole every time. The greens are so big and undulating and so are the fairways. You have to play a lot of different shots and have an imagination on a course that looks like an american style golf course can sometimes play over in great britain. Rose do you talk to people like nicholas when you first went to the masters in. I did. I was actually standing next to mr. Nicholas and mr. Palmer at wednesday evening dinner the first year prior to my first round ever playing it, and i remember talking to jack and him giving me had vice like, hearings make sure you hit the greens. Make sure, even though it looks like easier chipping to this pin, its always going to be easier to putt on these greens. Just saying dont think too much of it. Youve already beaten these guys before. Just come out on to this course and play really smart and wait for your chances, and he was right. Rose in practice, do you watch other buys guys who have played it before and say let me see how they handle the putt or look at it . Yeah, i try i and play at least a practice round or two with a past winner or somebody whos had success there because, you know, i know the places im going to practice from based on the what i have learned or the tricky areas of the golf course, but then somebody else like i mentioned before, this golf course will yield so many different shots every time you play it, so i want to learn from somebody elses experience, too. Last year i played with ben crenshaw and tiger woods in the last practice round before going off. Rose who know something about putting. They both do. Theyve both made putts in their lifetime. Rose yeah. I was able to see putts on the greens that ultimately made an impact with me on the weekend. Rose dan jenkins said about you mes got the will of hogan, the likability of nelson and he putts like ben crenshaw, who you all call mr. Crenshaw. What would you add to that . I cant even accept any of those. Thats incredible. I believe that im as competitive as there is. You know, i try and have a work ethic like ben hogan did. You know, those three are three of the top five sports figures in golfers ever that i look up to, so for those words to be said, thats really special. I certainly wouldnt add anything to it, and im deeply humbled by it. Rose what influence has your dad had on you . You know what was so special about my dad my dads influence on my golf is that, in a time where a lot of friends or you know, i say peers at the time were pushed by their parents to practice, to go out and play, my dad said, heres the deal, do what you want to do, what you have fun doing. If its golf, its golf. If its baseball, its baseball. But if youre truly good and you want it to carry you through, be passionate about it, set goals, write them down, make sure you write thank you notes to everybody who puts you up, allows you to be at a tournament, does something for you. Make sure that youre always showing appreciation for the people that are allowing you to be where youre at. It was very, very key for this influence. Rose you said one of the hardest things you had to do was go tell your dad youre not going to be a baseball pitcher, not going to be a lefty, but play golf. I remember exactly where i was when i told him, hey, i want to cut baseball for good. He was like, you dont have to hit, just show up and pitch a few games just to kind of keep doing it, stay around those same group of guys. We were driving up the dallas north tollway coming out of downtown and theres a baseball field down below and i remember looking at it thinking and it was tough telling them at the time. I must have been 12 or 13 years old and i said, dad, i just want to specialize in golf and play a little basketballs. Rose but you were doing what he wanted you to do, choosing the thing you were passionate about and you loved the most. Definitely. He was a College Baseball player and my little brother started shifting away and moving to basketball. I think he wanted somebody to play baseball. But he couldnt have handled it better and gave me every opportunity i could have asked for. Rose your family seems important. Certainly. Rose especially you. Your sister and you have always used that as something that means something to me, because ive had this great opportunity. Yeah. Well, its unique. We have a unique family and a unique, you know, position, having a special needs sister kind of changes your life. Every person in our family changes kind of the sacrifices my parents have to make and then for us its so special. Its so special to see her development. Its so special to see how she can continue to conquer struggles we take for granted. Rose 2015 had to be as good a year as you could ever imagine having. Certainly. Rose except if you win all four. I mean, there was the chance. We had won the first two and come into the british open championship and come sunday, im sitting here thinking, wow, we could make this three in a row and at that time it was focus on trying to make this one. One in a row. Give yourself a chance to win this one. Right. And i had a chance to win there and had a chance to win there and just fell short and that was really a tough loss and proved to me that no matter how many times you get yourself in a position, whether its a major or regular tournament, there are going to be some breaks that go your way and sometimes theyre just not going to. Thats why its so difficult to win, you know, a major, let alone a couple in a year and a grand slam. Thats just its tough to imagine that the breaks go your way, those exact weeks of the year and you are on the top of your game. Rose do you prepare differently for a major . Slightly, yeah. We try to peak for those, meaning in the gym you do stuff maybe a month prior to where you get there that week, you can dial it back a little bit, and then you kind of dial up your time spent on the range. Yeah, you definitely prepare a little differently. Everyones different but you specialize in different parts of your game that need, you know, improvement for those types of courses, wherever were going. I think in order to have it happen, i think rory is on a level in his career thats higher than anybody else. Hes consistently proven that he can be in major championship form for, you know, now five, six years straight. You know, i had a year last year that started open on that path, and i had to continue it in order to get up to that level. Rose is there anything you want to change about your swing . When you look at where you are, and you say, im number one, do you also look and say, you know, id like to add distance, as youve said to me once before . If i could do anything about my game, i would add a bit of distance. Yeah, i think in my goals for this year, it didnt consist of trying to improve on each tournament from last season. We werent trying to improve upon the accolades of last year. What we were trying to do was improve as a player. For me, sure, i could add a little bit of distance. I dont feed it. I would rather improve my accuracy and if the distance comes from a Comfort Level with my driver, then i can certainly hit the ball harder than i do if i feel comfortable with my swing. Where i feel the need for improvement is in my wedge play. So from around 50 to 125 yards from the hole, i can get a lot better than what i had last year, and if i can improve in that category and maintain where i was everywhere else, then the results will come. Rose if your swing coach looks at your swing today, how would he say its different than five years ago . I dont think he would say there is a whole lot of temperatures. You know i dont think he would say theres a whole lot of difference. We go through the videos. He can pinpoint when i get into the same tendencies, i always do. Its the way the golf swing is unnatural for the movement of your body. Everyone is so different so rose as weve found out. So do we. We can always pinpoint when one of these tendencies occur and we can figure out the changes we made and how successful they were, what we need to adjust from there. So, yeah, i dont need to change my swing at all, theres nothing to do there, its more just owning your own swing. Rose whats the most exciting aspect of the game for you . Having a big putt. Having a putt where you really feel the pressure and being able to conquer the fact that your hands want to do this, and youve got to make them do this and just stop, and seeing the line, feeling the momentum of the crowd, waiting for that roar. When you get a big roar, thats so exciting. When you get thousands of people sitting around a hole and you know you have three feet to go and the putt is going in, you can kind of raise the putter up and wait for the crowd. The sound of everyone at once seeing the ball drop, its cool in golf, because everybody hands go up at the same time and everybody just lets out the same noise. Its a magical feeling you dont get to experience every week. Rose why do you do it so well . You get the feel you have and a great sense of the speed . Its difference in making midrange to longer putts, the ones that get the roar and free you up on the swing is speed, and i work really hard on my speed control. Im trying to get the ball to drop where it just reaches really the front edge of the hole. Its difficult to do, but we have drills i use with cameron, my coach, and i feel pretty comfortable when i step on the first tee of the tournament that ive got that speed down. Its also tough when you have those nerves because, for me, my tendency, when the pressure is really on, if i have a putt to win the tournament, im tentative th with the putting stroke. Naturally, im tentative, so i have to think about that. Rose dont be tentative. Ight. Make sure you put a nice, aggressive stroke. You have to have a trigger when the pressure is on in order to proproduce the same stroke as you have when the pressure is off. Rose youre one of the people who pay a lot of credit to tiger in the say way tiger and others paid credit to arnie, you know, saying we ought to pay him every prize money, we ought to give 10 to tiger, and they ought to say we they used to say we ought to give 10 to arnie. What is it that tiger did for the game . Made it cool, athletic. Arnie did the same thing. Tiger made it athletic. He had an influence on other athletes that made golf cool, lets try golf. It certainly was that way with me. It was an athlete when i was younger and i saw tiger dominate and inspiring and i loved to play golf and control my own destiny and kind of work hard like you heard he was working and then you start seeing results and its really fun. Rose back to you and looking at the game and admiring tiger, is golf doing enough today to attract young minorities to play golf and not go to basketball and not go to other sports, to make it attractive . You know, i dont necessarily think that golf is doing enough. I think there is significant steps being taken by opening golf up and opening opportunities up for free or for less money. I mean, golf is an expensive sport, and i think in order to appeal to an entire generation of younger athletes, you know, basketball you just have to have a basketball and you can go find a hoop. Youve got to make it accessible, and its a challenge. I dont know the answers. You know, i try and help any way that i can, and i have a foundation, and a lot of that foundation is focused on junior golf and trying to give kids opportunities that they wouldnt normally have, and thats just, you know, a tiny little percentage in the overall experience, but i think that there could be more that could be done and i think in the coming years, stuff like the drive, chip and putt thats happening in augusta, its free. Anybody can go out, i think its 17, 14 rose you can feel the game. Yeah, you can go to any of the qualifiers. If you love the game or just started or whatever, it gives you a chance to just go hack a ball around and taking a chance on making this putt, but its free and anybody can do it and you have a chance to go to the masters and kick off masters week. Stuff like that, i would have never been able to think of. If i had that opportunity as a kid and that was there, i would have been striving for that big time. Rose yeah, exactly. When you go to the masters, are you playing the course, are you playing the competition or are you playing yourself . There youre playing the golf course, and this year is going to be tricky, because last year we were 18 and under. The hardest thing to do in repeating or trying to repeat a win is to not look at the year before and think that its just going to be like that. Could be better. Could be worse. Ive already been to augusta this year and the greens are faster earlier in the season than last year so theyre going to be very fast come tournament time, and i dont think they liked 18under winning. The year before bubba won it at 8 and i was 5. A much firmer green last year. Rose what about this year . Somewhere 10 to 12 under this year. If you get firmer greens or you get a softer golf course, it could be the tougher. Its hard to tell. But i got a feeling theyre not going to like 18 and under and theyre going to make ate little make it tougher this year. Rose for the four majors last year you were 54 under. I dont think ill ever beat that in my career. Hopefully my career is another, i dont know, 30 years, but i dont think ill ever beat that for the four majors. You know, the masters played to a record low number. Rose yeah. And then, you know, u. S. Open is always tough. But the other two majors were low scores as well. So they wont be happy that the scores were low either. I have a feeling well have tough majors this year. Rose whats interesting about you and what people write about you is you are looking to make the game simpler. Your pursuit is simplicity. Yeah, i think because of kind of my golf knowledge, i feel like its easy for me to make it complex. Success for me comes in knocking out all these different tools, whether its ab an extra swing thought or thinking about where that water is behind the hole when really i have a good number rose for you, a good season has to be at least winning how many majors . No, i mean i can have a really good season without winning a major. Rose can you really . No doubt. If i get into contention and i feel like i was there and the break didnt go my way, but if im not contending in any of them then im not going to be happy at the end of the year, im going to have to work my way back into them. But, yeah, sure, in golf, it has to go your way and you need to be in position. You need both to happen. Last year i was in contention four times. Two went my way, two didnt. Thats a pretty good percentage. Rose whats the difference in the very best players and those who are ranked, say, 30th . A lot of it is a desire to really want to be in it every week. I think a lot of guys have an incredible amount of talent, but some guys its tough for me to say. Rose oh, say it. Guys are either theyre adjusting to being in contention consistently, because in order to be in the top ten in the world, you need to be rose consistent. Consistent and you need to win quite a few times. So either theyre still learning how to close or the consistency is just off. But, i mean, if youre 30 in the world, youre also winning normally multiple worldwide events in the year, so its not like you have an inability to close. But when you get to the biggest events, you have to be able to contend and not be won out by it and enjoy it. Rose and when did you know you had that . Probably at the end of 2014, beginning of last year. I mean, i was probably rose between 2014 when you just lost the masters. Yes, the end of 2014, i won two worldwide event the Australian Open and tigers event which neath burn counted on the pga tour but against some of the best players in the world. Rose and it said what to you . It says, here it is, i can close. Rose i can close. I had won one pga tour event and been in the contention for the top ten maybe 20 times but only won once, out of the times i truly had a chance to win come the last day, and on those events, i really learned how to close. I played my best golf after i already had the lead, and thats what i kind of almost just looked at the leaderboard and instead of saying lets if i had a twoshot lead, instead of pushing it to four, i played away from my game and it dropped back to one or tied and eventually second or third place, and it was at that time where i just added a little level of patience, not listening to the roars in front or in my group, recognizing an 18 hole frontal round of golf can often feel like two or three rounds in one with all the lead changes and swaps. Youve played the best this whole week. If you just sit and play your exact same game, some of them are going to go your way. I went to japan and i took that kind of thought process into the final round there and it didnt go my way, but then the very next week in australia and then tigers event after that, it did. Rose so you want to hit the ball over the fence. Yeah. Rose so how are you going to do that . Hit more club. Rose okay. What do you need to do that . I cant tell exactly where its landing but ill just hit a 3 wood. Rose i want to say it sail over the fence. Yeah, sure. Just judging by where the 7iron was landing, this should have a chance. Were good, right . Rose yeah. Okay. Rose hello, both. Hello, boat. laughter that fool is trying to hit us with a golf ball. Whats going on . laughter its got to be out there, right . I think it made it, yeah. Rose let me just ask you one small stupid question. Of all the things that you have contained in your golf game, what is it the most important thing that makes you number one, that gives you the season you had last year that makes you the number one . Confidence in putting. Confidence in my putting. So confidence in my alignment. Confidence in the ability to confidence in my own ability to make the big putt when it matters, and you only do that by actually seeing big putts when they matter. So first, after you see a couple go in big tournaments, you have that visualization and you believe you can do it. A lot of times, at our level, when it just comes down to millimeters, thats all it takes is just a little bit of belief that puts that nice, confident stroke on it. Rose feel and speed. Yeah. Rose thank you. Pleasure. It was fun. Rose enjoyed it. Great to see you. A lot of fun. Rose for more about this program and other episodes, visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org the following kqed production was produced in high definition. [ music ] yes, check, please people. Its all about licking your plate. The food was just fabulous. I should be in psychoanalysis for the amount of money i spend in restaurants. I had a horrible experience. I dont even think we were in the same restaurant. Leslie and everybody, im sure, saved room for those desserts