it actually came out in the world, it was so twisted. s and i think he keeps looking around going what did i say, i'm speaking the truth. and i was really interested in that tight rope of someone who looks like they're doing a lot of things which is i'm going to line you out because i'm mad at you for 20 years ago. i'm going to line out the police officers, i'm going to reach for help and really all these shooing is one thing which is getting justice for her son. >> rose: we conclude with tony robbins about his new book money, master the game and his life coach. >> increase the quality of people's lives as quickly as possible. i think of them as break throughs. there's only few areas i don't remember relationship, your career, your body, your energy and there's money. >> rose: al hunt vernon jordan gayleo5 king and felicity huffman, tony robbins when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> hunt: vernon jordan is an eminent investment banker and lawyers. he was momentous civil rights struggles in the 1960's and 0's. he scored sharp lane hunter through a mob to integrate the universityncfdirector for the naacp, led the voter project was the director of the united negro college fund and from 1971 to 1981 was president of the national urban league. as america celebrates the 50th anniversary of the selma alabama march and bloody sunday which led to the voting rights act it's a pleasure to have vernon jordan here. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> hunt: bloodily sunday on the bridge just 50 years it's hard to believe that. hour important was selma to the civil rights struggle. >> selma was a crucial moment. and it was a act of 1965. there was this historic notion that the voting rights act of 1965 was passed by the congress here in washington d.c. the fact of the matter is the voting rights act of 1965 was written on the road from selma to montgomery. and all washington did was to formalizet9ió5 our informality to put the"therefore's, periods, commas and the semi colons. but the actual law was written by those marches from selma to montgomery. and it's an affirmation of the notion that government is by its very nature a reacting entity, not an initiative entity.>1 so government, when lyndon johnson went before the congress, was responding to the marches frommmontgomery. but the law was written on that 40 mile jaunt. >> hunt: that march of course took place two weeks after bloody sunday and the march was led by dr. martin luther king. >> yes. >> hunt: today a lot of americans know dr. king was a great orator.eç&they've heard the speeches. what kind of leader was he. >> he was strategic, he was courageous. he wanted everyone doing it but he also knew that confrontation was necessary. >> hunt: that's what selma was judicial that's what selma was exactly. >> hunt: who was ed nixon and what was his significance. >> ed nixon goes back to the montgomery bsof theçwu5i6 civil rights movement. when rosa parks was arrested she doesn't call martin luther king, jr., she called e.d. nixon who was the local branch of the naacp and he was one of a. philip randolph's union members. that's who rosa parks called and the lawyer that e.d. nixon called was clifford derr. a fight lawyer. he was the first lawyer to see after rosa parks. and then after she sat down, got arrested, and the movement began to go, it was e.d. nixon who understood that this circumstance was beyond his capabilities and it was e.d. nixon who called the new pastor. he called up and said this is the branch of the naacp and we need a leader who is colleged. >> hunt: e.d. nixon was not colleged. >> no, he was a union man he was a community man. but he understood that the circumstance theyhrq)e confronting was beyond what he thought his capabilities were. and so he called martin. and so martin said to him brother nixon i have to think about wha point being that e.d. nixon's power at the local level in montgomery was strong enough that he could convene a meeting at dexter avenue church without having to discuss it with the pastor. because his relationship was with the chairman of the deacon. >> hunt: the essential movement really was the church, wasmented it. >> everything in the in the black community startedmqichurch. morris college was founded in a baptist church in agusta georgia. all of the traditionally black colleges have a relationship with the african methodist episcopal church the baptist church the episcopal chueso the church has been the grounding place for our community. it was the gathering place. it was the one place even in slavery that you felt free. and it was the one place i learned a long time ago where when you got to church, you were somebody. you may have been a yard man all week but when you got to st. paul church in my place in atlanta, you were somebody. whether you were a chauffeur or doorman or whatever. so the church has always been>the key to our success in the black community. >> hunt: vernon, you later became head of the voter education project. you covered the whole staff. you're from georgia. were alabama and mississippi the worst or was itc0everywhere? >> well they were the worst, but that does not say that georgia and south carolina were good. they were all bad. and they8+ were all resistent. nobody gave in. >> hunt: as we have this 50th anniversary of that historic day, one of the context is the movie selma. you and some of your friends and associates, i believe you told me, distributed and bought copies of that movie and distributed it. >> i was recruited by bill lewis partner ken, the chairman of american express and a group of friends decided that young people, high school kids should see selma. they called and said send[u my check and my daughter called and said send your check to dnch c. so i supportedl> hunt: but you knew personally two essential figures, martin luther king and lyndon bains johnson did it looked like the kingxnh> you knew. >> it looked like the king i knew. the johnson that was portrayed was not the johnson i knew and was friends with. but no movie. >> hunt: no 4wtthe only thing about johnson ando)cit depicted him as a reluctant supporter of the civil rights act. >> i do not believe that. >> hunt: he became a total convert. >> he understood what heeñ was doing. remember he called richard rustle and he said we're going to pass this bill, dick. and democrats are going to lose the south as a result. look at the senate the house and johnson was right. but>> hunt: the other thing that has occurred in recent years, and we're talking now about the 65 voting rights act. it was captured brilliantly in the movie when i guess the woman played by oprah winfrey went in and the judge or whoever was there said, read the preamble to the constitution and recite it she did. how many county judges in alabama. she said how many=x and then he said name them. that's the kind of test. we passed the voting rights act, it's made a huge difference and today we look at north carolina -- >> may i tell you a story. it's august 6, 1965, wilcox county, alabama. it's the first day had wilcox county that the voting rights act is being implemented. 2000 black people are in line at 7:00 in the morning. in that line is arblack man dressed in his sunday best. and about noontime he gets up to the registrar and the registrar says you are 90 years old man. the old man said yes. well if you're 90 years old what took you so long to get here. and the old man said, what took me so long to get here is my philosophy all my life to never get in the way of trouble a coming. and the registrar said if that's your philosophy, why are you here today. and the old man said i'm here today because trouble ain't a coming like it used to did. that you know what trouble a coming meant to him. you could get shot you could lose your job. any other many other things that happened to you if you did but trouble was not coming because of the voting rights act. now the problem is today if you look at the alabama cases the supreme court did to the voting provision of the voting rights act the trouble is a coming again like it used to did. voter identification laws in the northxe and in the south. >> hunt: do you think there's a racial motive in some of that. >> absolutely. and some of these republicans have actually said that. in michigan, not michigan but pennsylvania and in florida. they have -4a7[ted it. >> and these moment tuesday days of march of 50 years ago, vernon, when you're reflecting at home or wherever you are these days, what do you think about? your mild -- >> i'm this is that that was terrific. and then i listened to what they're doing now in voter registration and citizen education and i see what's happening in staten island, in ferguson, missouri and i'm saying trouble is a coming like it used to did. and we've come a long way but there's still a journey to go. >> hunt: one of the reasons we've come a long way because of people like vernon jordan. thank you very much for coming today. >> thank you for having me. >> hunt: we'll be back in just a moment.p÷ >> king: felicity huffman is here and you know her from her emmy award winning role in desperate housewives and her oscar nominated performance in transamerica. her latest project takes her back to tv and those of us who look itdabout that it is called american crime. she plays a mother seeking justice after the murder of her sun. the "new york times" calls this series, listen to this, a trenchant, sourful exploration of race, faith, gender class and addiction. in my best charlie rose i will say it's a pleasure to have felicity huffman at our table. i'm happy to talk to you. >> happy to be here. >> king: i got the series and intended to watch one episode or maybe half an episode because i wanted to get a sense of you and before i knew it i waved all four that were sent to me. i was blown away. >> that's such a good sign. >> king: i don't know if it's a good sign, i'm such a tv junkieyzirñ but i was so excited about what i saw on the screen. i never seen anything like that, john ridley wrote it, we'll talk about that. it's so:l far from law jet scavo that i liked in desperate housewives. were you attracted to this role because it is so opposite and different fromrr>> no,me originally. it's always the script. if the script is compelling, if it's on the page it's on the stage. great writing makes your job as an actor easier. i read the script and i had to think is this like law net. i mean she'svlynnate and i wanted to make sure they didn't want to get in through the storytelling. oh there's law net about a police officer and there she is as a nurse. >> king: i never saw law net. number one she is a mom seeking justice for her son. i felt her pain. her son is murdered. i feltokpart still unlikeable felicity. talk about that for a second the character. >> the way i had to get into the character. as an actor you want to find something you can endorse. you have to fall in love with your÷nñharacter. >> king: you do, before you can play them. >> yes. for me you have a distance, are judging your chair, you can't judge your character you have to be your character. i could get in and that she is a mother and she's seeking justice for her son and that is a noble motivation. the wait it manifests in the worldwanted to make sure that you at least understood her so maybe you could have empathy for her so that you could see her as a full human being. this is why i think people are uncomfortable and she is harsh. like i say you can have understanding for her you might not want to have dinner with her. any time you can put a person in a box, you can label them, you're a republican, you're a lesbian, you're a racist, you are whatever you are. it stops us from seeing them as human beings. and that's kind of a relief because you go oh, they're other. >> king: you can dismiss them. >> which is i got to say a colonel of racism and bigotry as well. john ridley makes sure none of these characters you can put in a box so you have to experience them as human beings and the that might bring up some discomfort and in your case you don't knowoñ if you like her. >> king: race is so tough because it tackles wrist from many different angles and many different layers. here's barb her son is married and murdered and she portraysvúhim as a perfect all american son mired to the all american wife. we later learn there was somehow shall we say chinks in that marriage which is a shock to everybody as it plays out. the suspect is a hispanic male and barb's fine out of her mouth was is he illegal and her exhusband goes oh job stop it. that's the first thing you say ew she instantly went there. >> and she says those people a lot. there are a lot of things that the writer wrote and i said really. first i had to find out if those people really existed. i said those people. if they existed and indeed they do. but she does say that. but if you ask barb, are you a racist, she would say no. i'm a.tpragmatist. and i think that's what possibly the new face of racial prejudice. it's not somoh those people are below par, those people are stupid or those people are better. it's subtle. it's people going well what percentage of illegal immigrants do crimes like this in modesto. i'm a realist. >> king: i'm a patriot she says at one point. she also makes a responsibility she says this is a hate crime. why isn't someone looking at this for my son, this is a hate crime which i also thought was an interesting twist that a white person is saying we're victims of a hate crime. that was a different tactic that i thought was interesting. >> it was a different tactic and to tell you the truth she might have a point. i mean&pilot there's the twist at the end of suddenly my son who was mariaered who i hold up as military hero and patriot suddenly they go he might not have been so good. and they go maybe he was a bad guy and that's why he got murdered. that's bigotry in and of itself because he might have been a bad guy it's okay he got murdered. the thing iw' -- >> king: the thing i find interesting is -- >> it's an anthology it's a closed story and we won'tagain but i'm glad you felt like you had to watch another and watch. i felt that way too. >> hunt: at the end of this anthology will it continue in another form orzfor you for this particular american crime. >> god willing, if it does well and abc went out on a limb to do this. >> king: i think it will do very well. >> network television hasn't done anything like this and abc didn't get its toes wet it went skinny dipping in the pond. if it does well i think they'll ask john to do year but a totally different story with different characters and maybe some of the same actors. >> king: talk about working with him because we know john ridley from 12 years a slave. he had written the fresh prince of bel air. he's done important writing. what was it like working with him and sceufght his vision? what did he say he wanted to happen on the screen? >> he has a very clear vision. when i kept coming to him and saying is barb a racist, is she a bigot how come she says these things. he would never answer, he says i don't want to close her off. she's there to get justice for her>her son was just killed. yes she said the wrong thing, okay let's keep moving forward. it was his voice it's his vision. at the same time he was very collaborative. he was willing to listen. he was willing to say how do you want to do it. i had strong feelings about how barb would look and he was fine with that. >> king: what were you feeling because i thought she was very is mousy the word? joy wanted her to i think she was so beat up by life. >> king: she had a hard edge. >> she is protected internally she's emotionally parched and i felt everywhere she came in she just wanted to come in under the radar. doesn't wanted you to notice her hair or pants it's bad or good just under the radar so she could come in and get the job done. he was fine with that. >> king: you look glamorous. barb looks nothing like that. can i take you back to desperate housewives. how does that sit with you after a little distance from the show. mis that a fun place for you. that was then and this is now. >> i loved it. i?i felt really grateful for that job. i think every week i felt like okay, here's the scene that challenges me and every week i go wow i really blew that scene but maybe i'll do it better next week. i feel like the community you go to the same job and you see the same people and you have a family. i love being at home and working it was just a god send. we were paid really well, i mean it just doesn't get any better than that. i could have had nicer clothes but that's it. >> king: she was always the sane one too. she wasn't coocoo for cocoa puffs. she was always stable but had a crazy side too that would manifest itself from time to time. when i look back on that. listen i saw you on frazier back in the day i knew that frazier. and then transamerica back in 2005 where you're playing a transgender character. you were nominated for an oscar. you took that on before that was something people even talking about. >> i have to give the kudos to tong -- duncan turk and i was getting coached by these wonderful women who was transgendered and i thought oh my gosh they're my heroes. i remember going to desperate housewives saying we need a transgender character. they're wonderful actresses. and it just wasn't on their radar. >> king: because desperate housewives came out in 2004 and tranamerica came in 2005. nobody was talking about that. back then it would have seemed very odd and strange. athletes now i think people are open to hearing about it and wondering what is it exactly. it's a very different time. >> which is wonderful. i'm sorry it took ten years but it's wonderful. i mean come on the less thing that divide us the better. >> king: i'm curious about william h. macy are you familiar with his work. >> i love that guy. i slept with him for a part once. >> king: what does the h. stand for. >> hall. william hall macy. he was named after his father who was a world war ii bomber. >> king: it was interesting to see you too recently on thebo copper. was it sag or golden globe. they described you as the handsy couple that they clearly care about each other, they're still hot for each other. i thought what a nice thing to say after you got married in 1997. after soúvi thought that was a good thing. >> it's a great thing. >> king: when he said his speech and he said flicka that would be you i'm looking forward to going home and sleeping with you. >> no he said my sister actually called him and said that wasáyt$ inappropriate. he said flicka i love going to bed with you too. and my sisters said what is he doing talking about going to bed with you. >> king: i thought it was a nice line. >> i love it. >> king: who was it that called you. >> i'm from a big family and a couple my sisters was like what was that about. >> king: you tweeted later looking forward to sleeping with you too. i thought that was great. >> i have to say, i love getting into bed at night and there he is and i get to sleep the whole night with him and then wake up with him. i know you need an insulin shot after i say that day gay don't apologize. i think people need to see more of2as a divorced person i go i like that. but you denial accept his first proposal. >> i didn't accept his first or second proposal. >> king: why? not ready. >> because i feel like if you applied the statistics of marriage to any other into go, the post office, the military, whatever it is, when es something like 60% of first marriages fail, something like 80% of seconds we'd go hangqh we've got to revamp theruq3 postal system. but marriage everyone goes good luck. i also feel like women often times disappear in marriage. and i didn't want to disappear. so that's why i said no. but anyway day day -- >> king: he was persistent. >> i know. >> king:n't though i'm divorced iljccg believe in the institution of marriage. i know good marriages exist. i know it is possible and whenever i hear one that is really very special ici think it's so good to talk about. you have two daughters. >> why do you believe in the institution of marriage. >> king: because i hearyi11ñ so many people that say oh it doesn't matter, it's outdated. because i thimatters. i think that name and fortune and all this stuff that people have regardless of your job and even if you don't have fame and fortune, there's going to come a point felicity where you are a trivia question. i'm not talking about you specifically, i'm just saying what was the nail of the girl that did blah pla blah. what about that guy does he work or the worst question at all are you still alive. if you do it right you'll never be a trivia question with your family. i think the root always starts with the family. whatever your family looks like, i just think having a strong family foundation is so very important. >> do you have to be married. >> king: i don't feel like you have to be married but that's my preference. >> you're levelly required to be there. >> king: as i've gotten older i have relaxed myself because i used to think you got to be married. now i think you have to be in a loving kind responsible relationship however that finds it self. that's why when i hear what you and william h. macy did is a beautiful thing. >> the best thing ix7 ever did was marry bill macy it's not like we know how marriage works. >> king: do you ever talk about work in the bedroom. >> because we grew up incu!? the theatre together, we're part of the atlantic theatre company here on 20th street. when you're doing a play particularly before you have kids it's all encompassing all you think about, bill would direct me or we would act on a play together. we had to go there has to be a place we're not talking about acting. we decided once we get into bed we couldn't talk about aging. which meant i would be lying in bed and say i have an idea and we'd get up and talk b but now we're so old we talk about it day gay you celebrated 30 years. >> yes, it's fantastic. >> king: what does it mean to you both the atlantic theatre company. >> it's our artisticxin our bones. we have the same core of people that started it and it's broughtened and we have a huge group of actors and playwrights and designers and stage managers. and it's a place where it's like a club house with really cool people that does great great work and supports this nation support of bravest most dedicated artists day gay do youj4 prefer the theatre to tv or film or movies? do you have a preference. >> i used to think it was the theatre and i did a play right after desperate. i thought do you know what friends don't let friends do theatre. >> king: why? >> because i got so used to people judging me from the comfort of their very own couch and in the theatre they're basically right here. and each going oh fay gay -- >> king: you can feel their gasps and everything. >> right now i'm doing a play, the anarchist. that goes up in april so heel see. >> king: golden able of television. >> yes. >> king: what do you mean? >> well you know a bunch of years ago when independent movies first hit, it was this bonanza of people get their steers told and they could get wonderful actors and people would go see them and there was flm venues and festivals and even though that exists there's a glut on the market and it's and it's harder to get people to see it because there's so much out there. television used to play second fiddle to movies but it doesn't anymore. >> king: do you feel it's no longer the second cousin.>> i don't. >> king: i see really great people and really great things on tv. >> i think anyone would say that. people don't just go one place to watch, they go with content whether it's leave for charlie rose. >> just that i love and admire him. that's all. >> king: me too. thank you felicity. >> thank you so much. >> king: thank you. >> rose: tony robin is here. the new york time has called him the high priest of human potential. he's helped people develop strategies to enhance their personal and professional lives for more than 30 years. he adnqse hugh jagman, serena williams to former president bill clinton. his new books thanks about money, it's called money, master the game. i'm pleased to have tony robbins back at this table. so why did you choose to do money? >> well my whole life i've been obsessed really with finding answers to increase the quality of people's lives as quickly as possible. when you look at what changed the quality of somebody's life there's only a few areas. there's relationship, career, body energy and money. i worked on it for many years but when 2008 happened and people are losing their homes right and left, losing half what -- lost money in 21 vat years and i've been there every day. i have access -- i'm literally coaching him. he writes to me what happens i coach him what he needs to shift. that's been happening for 21 years. >> rose: every day. >> that's exactly right. every three months i see him in person for21 years, i watched him make money in 2008 when the markets were down. he was at 28. i thought if i can interview him learn all i can from him and interview 50 of the smartest financial minds in the world and simplify a system where i can teach a ma lineal coming out of the college with debt they can retire with an amazing project. it took four years and it's making a difference with people. >> rose: we should talk about two things number one who did you talk to and what did you learn from them and what are you telling us. who did you talk to. >> i talked to the best of the best. very few people know on a show like yours would be ray for example. he has the largest hedge fund if the world. big one might be -- you need a $5 billian ten years ago and on 100 million today. i asked him as well as calihan from j.p. morgan, warren buffett, paul jones carl icon and i asked each of them i was supposed to have 45 minutes. the average interview the three hours. i said basically if you couldn't give any of your money to your family, to your kids, what would be your strategy, what would be the portfolio, what would be the approach you would use. out of those 50 is what the book came into serve fundamental steps anybody can take and process results. >> rose: let's go through the seven steps. >> well real fast. the first version is getting in the game. most people waiting &obiggest mistake is they're looking for some day when they have a big hit. they never tap the power of compounding we all know about. if you look at the people who won the lottery or athlete who made a fortune so many are broke later in life. if you look at a driver for ups, theodore johnson you probably never heard of him. he never made more than $14 a year charlie but by the time he was in retirement he had $70 million. he didn't inherit that. he gave away 35 million while he was alive. how did he do that? it's impossible. at $14,000 a year a friend said you got to invest you got to become an owner instead of a consumer. he said i have no money. his friend said to him yes but if the government came in and taxed you another 20% what you would be taxed now you'll scream and yell. i'm going to make you a wealthy man he took 20% of his 14,000 put it in an investment didn't touch it and the came out to $130 million. that's the first step. you really have to understand how to become an insider. most people dome understand final area. what you don't know will hurt you. a quick example. the insiders know you're not going to be the beat the market. there's a few union corns like ray and warren but the average person can'taccess them. so 96% of all mutual funds that's where people put their money in 401(k) most americans 96% of them do not match the market in any ten year period of time. this he fail. 4% make it. i'm going to find the 4%. to you play black jack. >> rose: yes. >> you get two face cards and you say hit me, you 1r-8% a 4% getting a mutual fund. people don't understand!epower of fees. this becomes a soliloquy but it's so important. when people think of fees. do you know what you pay in fees on your investment on your mutual funds? you're very sophisticated. >> rose: sort of. >> the majority will not be able to tell you. the difference between 1% and 3% in fees is something president obama has come out trying to do something bit. if you have 1% versus 3% you put aside 100,000 and you compound it over 30 years at 7%, you have 1% of fees will have at that time almost $600,000. 574. the person who has a % fees is 32 46789 it's 40% of money just the fees and it could be for the same stocks getting the sam return. you got to become an insider. ill do the wholess intervow thway. >> rose: i do want to go through it because it's important and people are interested. what's next. >> third you got:.?game winnable. maybe they read in the paper that says in order to have what you want for financial freedom you've got to have ten times your income. so if i have $100,000 a year i need to make sure i come up with a million dollars which is not true. where are you going to get 10% return when you retire in a safe environment where we are in the world today. or they're babyboomers saying they'll never get there. i tell people what if you could have these five years covered for the rest of your left without working. your home is coverage the utilities all the food for your family, all transportation oh basic insurance. if you still work for other things but those five huge thing are paid for how would you feel. most people say that would be7'open credible. i said financial freedom is not not working. you know at 72, right. it's not having to work. when you do that all the statistics show if you retire at 55, you have an 89% greater chance of dying in the first ten years after retirement than if you retired at 65. most people in your position my position they are never going to retire. they do not have tothey work because they love it. >> rose: number four. >> number four you have to put yourself that position where you make the most important decision in your life. that's not buying apple stock or piece of real state. everyone is going to be wrong at times. what all these top investors ingree on is al indication is everything. i asked david swenson chief investment officer at yale. yale took 00 years almost to get to a billion dollars in their endowment. he raised that from a billion to 24 billion in 30 years. he did 14% a year like clock work. what can investments do when they get a better return. there's only three buttons or dials if you will. security selection, what you pick, timing and allege et al case. i'm going to tell you right now you're always going to be wrong on timing selection and as et al case is how you protect yourself. some of your money has to be low enough risk with less return but it's protected. some has to go for growth and has more risk. they all gave me their for laws for doing it. that's what i have in the books. none of it is my idea. fifth you got to create an income. if you ask most people what are you investing for. they can't tell you i raise my assets get more money.7n it's income. the only hinge that can change your quality of life long term is income. your assets can drop 50% in a short period of time. so you need income. showing a system for how to create that income. like the .0001%. i put interviews inside the book to show you different ways people invest and what they have in common. finally you just do it enjoy it and share it. money will not make you happier but how you spend it will. ironically if you spend it on inks this you don't get a lot of joy. experiences last, experiences where you're able to make an investment, thank you with drudge drea frees you up and touching you the most is giving to other people. that's one of the reasons i wrote the book. as i was writing i saw congress passed a new budget that cut food stamps by billions of dollars. i was 11 years old. so my family literally on thanksgiving with nothing. they gave us food but what they really gave me was that strangers care. so when i zw was 17 i had two families and four and over the decades i got to a million people a year and four million. when i was writing this book i thought what if i could feed as many people many in my wholelife. ibf reached out to feeding america. they're the biggest hunger relief. i said if i sold how many books they said 10 millions. i'm feeding 50 million people a year. >> rose: how do you feed them. >> feeding america delivers the food directly. >> rose: at one time or for a year. >> year and-a-half. >> rose: you feed these people. >> 49 million people a diego to bed hungry in the richest country in the world if you can believe that. instance i was one of those families i want to go back on a large scale. i'm doing matching funds right now we are at 71 million my target is to feed 100 million people. >> rose: how has your life changed in the last ten years. >> i was thinking about that because you interveurd when i was 40 and i just turned 55 a few days ago. i was thinking how incredible i thought i would have a large impact but the privilege ofiç&,q5i being able to reach more readers and teach people more than a hundred countries around the world 50 million people it is just increases in scope. the depth%of my relationships what i value mow has increased geometrically as well. i love love. i'm driven by love. i'm driven to see people light up. i love the hate. i hate to see suffering if i could help people. winds me up with joy. and then just the friendships and family. >> rose: i mentioned whole movement -- how tony robens went from infomercial. how do you explain that? what happened. how did you get to become really the person that a lots?7is of very very powerful people with great talent turn to help them understand how to maximize their life. >> you know if you do anything every day with total passion and your focus is b do more forothers than nibble is possibly doing and you hold yourself to that standard, you're not going to be perfect but you're going to get insights and strategies. when when i had the opportunities i've been able to deliver. when i get the phone call and serena williams is burning down and i can turn her around literally in one session she goes off and wins you get a lot of attention. when the president of the united states calls and says i'm going to be impeached in the morning what&earlier. >> rose: what did you tell him to do. >> those are private conversations. when you talk to people with that caliber the word spreads. i'm a driven hungry guy looking to find better answers, i'm never satisfied. as a result of that i usually have cutting edge tools that can help someone. >> rose: is it primarily about a specific question in their life at!>impeachment i can't bring it together or is it a larger sense of a life plan and a sense of a life with purpose. >> it's a great question. some people have outrunned their vision. they done they've achieved times ten and they're depressed because we all need what's called a compelling future. without that we drop off. doesn't matter how much money you ma1bof!wuu many people love you how many oscars you get. if you don't have a compelling future to go for it i always tell people happiness comes in one word progress. if you're not making progress you won't be happy. i usually get the phone call because people are hungry gus that's who they are. they're looking foralways or they've had an event that they're not perfortunating. they're not pursuing the results. they've had a seggant challenge in their sports or their business and they need to change it right now. i get the call because i have that result right now. >> rose: is there only one tony robin in the world. in other who else in is in world you're in. >> there are tons of people that coach people. i started the coaching industry there were no coaches per se for the sports but i did it because i wasn'tment the motivator. >> rose: is it called life coaches what do you call it. >> a business or life strategist. i created i remember i was on larry king 20 years ago. you're not a coach you're not a sports coach and all of a sudden everybody in finance was a coach, therapist coaches so it became a term of art. i came in and said you pay and produce this result. today you go to a class and they'll give you a certificate and you can coach people. i look at how do you produce results. there aren't many people in the world that do it but what is diverse i can take an athlete and -- i can take the entrepreneur and make that shift or the mom that's got a problem, kids who are suicidal makeéf that shift. >> the question is are there essential principles that you know that apply to any situation, principles. >> yes, there are. fundamentally why people do what they do and how they perform are affected by a couple thing. first why we do what we do even when people do things crazy like try to commit suicide. >> rose: or repeat self destructive behavior of any kind. >> i tell people the biggest problem in life is not drugs it's not alcohol, it's not co-cape it's the need for problems. human being have needs. we need to feel certain and variety. we feel dead inside. we need to feel somethingant. you need to feel connected and loved you need to feel like we're growing or to contribute. of those six needs everybody specializes in a couple. if you have a certainly and people change the game you get really stressed out people are late you're really upset. if you're in a variety you don't give a dam. if your familiar one thing is significant you're measuring other people are responding the way you want. if you're love driven you're going to be connecting all the time. i'm trying to find out what is someone's driving force and i if he can out what is it from keeping them from fulfilling that. there might be a belief a conflict they have it might be something in their family or environment. >> rose: can you have them redefine what ought to be their driving force. >> i can. but i can't do it, they can. but i can bring it to their awareness toic memoranda that change. you have two people that are both very significance driven. take a look. the firemen that went into 9/11 willing to give their lives probably knew they were going to give their lives that's a heady experience. what makes human beings do that. love significance. feel like i died a worthy death i died a life that saved other people. the people that flew the plane into 9/11 into the buildings also were driven by significance. if i do this i go to heaven and i'm a martyr and my family is. so people have the same needs. what i need is what are the rules for those needs. generous nice or loving. you can be significant by being the most intense mean raw individual humanly possible. people find different ways to meet their meets. i have to figure out what those are, what they are doing currently and close the gap from where they are to where they want to be. >> rose: what kind of things make you júv say i want to change iwant to do better i want to make a difference. talent not just bag if you're an athlete being able to score more, victories or point. what would it be. >> i went from you know dirt poor not knowing what to do, not being a businessman to know education to do that to running literally billion]owr dollar plus business. >> rose: i got that. you and i talked about that many times and different times. i'm talking about today. >> i'm saying in those situations i have people that have played the game larger than i am i>> rose: these are like he people you talked to for this piece. >> exactly. >> rose: you tapped into their success to understand -- >> built the company from zero to 6 billion. a friend of mine. meter guber bought they'15 years ago when i was trying to decide no one picks your partner, do i want to go through divorce and initiate this. i went to those same people. >> rose: do you find most people at the high success level want to have these kinds of conversations. it's the kind of stuff that they like to talkuñ about. the idea of how do you maximize your life potential. the idea of how do i find the perfect balance in my life. the idea of how do i fulfill a life of meaning. david brooks is writing a lot about meaning. are these subjects of people that he's talking about rather than looking at balance sheets and rather than understanding competitive advantage in the world. >> more comfortable in the competitive advantage. >> rose: than talking about values. >> of course. but the people i'm dealing with clients and friends of mine for decades, 20-25 years. when you do that, somebody i've had the privilege bag able to coach i learn from him constantly. when you've got somebody that's 10 15, 20 years ahead of you, there's that cycle of life we're going through what's aging for you and looking at different levels of impact. i find that the people i'm dealing with are at this stage of their life very much interested in what's most valuable a life of meaning. they passed the stage of 30's,m3iúa on's 50's and maybe even earlyu 60's. they entered the stage in the 70's and 80's where there's a sage at this point and they really look back to see what was life really for them and how do they want to leave this life. those are people that go deep. i'm not a surface guy. >> rose: it's great to have you here. >> thank you so much. >> rose: tony robbins book is called money master the game serve simple steps to financial freedom and this on point, secrets from the world's greatest financial minds and some of the people he's talked about certainly are those that have shown by asks and by the qualities of their life that they represent that. thank you tony. >> thank you. >> rose: more about this program and early episodes visit us on-line at pbs.org and charlierose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org [ applause ]