Cisco systems, from when we were almost 20 years ago, we were the plumbers the people who made the internet work, and people came to cisco to say how do you use the internet to close your books, outsource manufacturing et cetera. Whats exciting today is youre about to see the Second Generation of the internet. Rose we conclude with the great writer Richard Price, new book called the whites. What i intended to do was write an utterly strippeddown totally orthodox genre urban thriller and it was such a different identity for me even though i was dipping into the same pool that i always do but the style is going to be so different. It was just going to be about what happens next, what happens next. But once i started writing, you know i just realized after 41 years of writing, i only know one way to write, and the book kept expanding. Rose a Program Notes sunday night on 60 minutes, a piece with larry david, a piece with seinfeld curb your enthusiasm. Heres an outtake a. Why did you want to do a play . I thought it would be different, fun something i never experienced before. I would stand in the back, watch, go to rehearsals, consult with the director, see the thing unfold, then all of a sudden it was presented to me to be in it and, yes i did have that moment of oh, well, this is going to be really challenging. Yeah, i made the decision to do it. Rose and youre glad you did . You are. Yeah but. Okay. Okay. Im glad. Somewhat. Im glad with reservation. Rose the director says you are an actor. You may say youre not, but you are. But you dont think youre an actor . Look, im doing this, so i suppose. Rose you are an actor. Okay im an actor. Rose why do you go around saying youre not . Because i dont feel like one. When i sit in the audience, i dont look at the people performing and go, oh, i wish i was up there doing that. When i go to a movie, i dont go oh, i wish i was in that movie. Actors do that. I dont do that. Ergo, no actor. Rose on friday night on this program an hour with larry david. But next al hunt on the story. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Hunt senator lindsey gram in his third term as a United States senator from South Carolina sfnlgt appropriations, Armed Services and budget and judiciary committees. 59yearold air force veteran, a colonel in the reserves, explore ago run for the republican nomination next year. Welcome to the program, senator. Influential. Thats a good word. Rose ill call you colonel. The Senate Passed a Clean Department of Homeland Security bill funding through the end of the fiscal year. House will not go along saying the best we can do is short term. How does this movie end . I think theyll send over a d. H. S. Funding bill with a 2014 order repeal. Theres two executive orders issued by the president. One covered dream act children, young kids brought here as babies who lived here all their lives in. 2012 he gave them legal status. In 2014 the president expanded it to 5 million additional people. That was breath taking. I think the house will say well fund d. H. S. But you have to repeal the 2014 order and see what the democrats do. Seven democrats in the campaign and last election cycle said they disagreed with the 2014 order. Hunt but that wont be done in this context. Basically wont you pass a funding bill and come back to that issue later . I think the house will give the senate a chance to say no. Seven democrats are on record saying the 2014 order went too far so they will have a chance to base cli defund the executive order. If they refuse, most likely what well do is do a clean bill. Rose and the house will have to go along . Eventually i think so because were in charge now and if you believe the threat level is what i think it is and the number of organizations trying to attack this country are as large as i think they are, you wouldnt shut down d. H. S. For 30 seconds. Hunt senator, has it been more difficult environment because the conservative Political Action committee is meeting in washington now. Well, i dont think its made it more difficult but its a lot of enthusiasm in that room. Heres the only thing i would say, put it in perspective. Rand paul or ron paula won the straw poll the last four of five years. Theyre nice folks, but if rand and ron paul are winning the straw poll its not a test of conservatism. Hunt you dont think the cpac is where the Republican Party is. I dont think there is many places in the traditional Republican Party where they would do that well. Its an enthusiastic group of people but anytime rand or ron paul win the day its not reflective of the Republican Party. Hunt you say youre looking at orders for a possible president ial run. What kind of reaction have you gotten . What are the odds you will actually go in a month . The reaction has been good. People have wanted to invest in my campaign. Some people want to come to work if i want to do it. Ill probably know in the next 30 to 45 days. Im going to make a Good Business decision. It wont be an emotional decision, and i dont mind taking the risk. I understand that a candidacy is a long shot no matter who you, and at the end of the day, i feel like ive got something to offer my party and my country and if i can see a palletway forward, National Security centric but a problemsolving conservative i think would play well in 2016. Hunt more likely than not you will go . Right now probably more likely than not. Hunt more likely not or more likely yes. More likely that i will go if we can have a financial path forward. I dont have to raise the most money but enough money. Again the message would be i think i know why were in such a mess internationally. I understand what its going to take to get washington working again and as the president , i can do what Ronald Reagan was able to do, sit down with tip oneal and save Social Security from bankruptcy. There will be a lot of talk in the primary about conservatism and about the party and the country. Theres two things weve got to get right stopping radical islam from getting a weapon of mass destruction is the challenge of my generation National Securitywise. If they get a weapon of mass destruction, any of these islamic groups, they will use it. The second is the retirement to have the baby boomers, 80 million of us will swamp medicare and Social Security and take the entire economy down crying out for entitlement and tax reform. So somebody has to have the skill set and disposition to get both parties in a room to do something. Hunt stick with Foreign Policy. The last several president ial elections, Foreign Policy has been a secondary issue. Do you think that will be different in 2016 . Absolutely. I think the rise of radical islam and the threats from nation states like russia, but the number one National Security threat is the Iranian Regime with Nuclear Capability. I. S. I. L is one of the most lethal, destructive hateful terrorist organizations ever known to the terrorism world. It is lethal, it is destructive and they want to come here. But the Iranian Regime with a Nuclear Capability is the ultimate game change. Sunni arabs wont allow shia persias in iran to have a nuclear economy. Eliminating nuclear iran is a blessing to the world. Hunt if sanctions dont work does that mean force is next . If you attack iran you opened pandoras box, if they get a nuclear weapon, you emptied the box. The economic pain has to be sufficient burks if they dont believe well attack them as last resort they will press forward. Heres what i worry about the most, look what theyre doing without a nuclear. The iranians have destabilized four arab capitals. Took the pro American Government back in the how houthis. 220 people have been killed in syria. Shia militia running wildl in baghdad, in iraq and lebanon is controlled by hezbollah. If you believe in sanctions and gave them more money, i would argue they would not build School Houses and hospitals, they would invest in the havoc theyre wreaking and build more nuclear weapons. Hunt i. S. I. L you mentioned in the beginning what differentiates you from the other possible republican candidates is you want to put boots on the ground. You say we have to. You think till we defeat i. S. I. L or a permanent force to take on the next i. S. I. L type threat. First thing does i. S. I. L represent a threat to our homeland . What would you say . Hunt i would say whatever Lindsey Graham says now. I think the general believe is i. S. I. L is a threat to america. There are over 400,000 fighters that could penetrate the United States and now bag yady the leader of i. S. I. L was in an american prison camp four or five years and when we turned him over to the iraq as he cold the colonel, ill see you in new york. If you believe its a threat to the homeland why would you not include an american component to defeat them. Its a generational struggle. Hunt troops could be there for years. If i run for president , i want to keep the war over there so it doesnt come here and i dont know how to do that without a Forward Deployed presence. Summiting resources to give them capacity they dont have having intelligence that can pick up chatter before the attack comes here. A Forward Deployed military intel presence and more than that a presence in the region to build up those who would live in peace with us so they could have the capacity to say no to this ideology, and the good news for us, most people in the region want to say no. Hunt senator graham, does it worry you that putting American Forces there is exactly what the radicals want, that they can rally the faithful and recruit against the crusaders themselves . Not really. How do you defeat them without going in on the ground . Do you agree somebody has to dig them out of the cities. If the Iraqi Security forces are seen as a shia rather than iraqi army goes into mosul without an american component, im afraid the sunnis in mosul will start fighting them. The kurds are suspicious of the iraqi army as it is formed today. An american support component, not the main body of soldiers, gives everybody confidence and separates the forces so they can effectively fight. Were the glue that holds that part of the world together, and i am sad to say that we were right about leaving iraq without any troops. Everything john mccain and Lindsey Graham said s has come true and the military the ones who said it would come crew. Hunt the other trouble spot you mentioned, of course, was russia. Yeah. Hunt if we were to give defensive arms to the ukrainians and ratchet up sanctions even more, putins behavior suggests he himself would step it up more. Its what they call escalation dominance. He doesnt respond the way you think he should. However do we go . Whats the ultimate we can do . Cost benefit analysis is not working. The benefit to putin to destabilize in the ukraine is apparently greater than the cost. Defensive weapons is not only a cost benefit change, its the right thing to do. We signed a budapest memorandum in 1994, guaranteed yiewrnlg sovereignty if they would give up their Nuclear Arsenal over 2,000 nuclear weapons. Hunt which they did. That agreement has been trampled upon been the russians and the iranians are watching. Im trying to tell people, you have a Global Economy but also a global National Security network. Weakness in one area creates problems in another area so if the french and the germans are being soft on putin, do you think the iranians believe that the p5 would actually use military force if they broke the Nuclear Agreement . So what i want the iranians to see is that putin paid a price and 81 to have the russian people feel like hes doing the right thing. I think hes doing the wrong thing. I think hes dismembered a neighboring medication who had one aspiration, to be a democracy. Hunt could you envision putting western troops there . Trainers but not a combat force. Hunt trainers. Eres what i would do i would provide lethal, defensive armament to the Ukrainian Military so they would have a chance to fight for freedom. Will they win or lose, i dont know. If putin escalates, if i were president , i would grind his economy into the ground. Moldova is next. Georgia is being interfered with by the russians. N. A. T. O. s reputation is on the line. Every time this happens in histrirks we regret it. Every time a bully or autocratic dictator gobbles up a neighbor by the force of arms, all of us eventually regret it. I do believe putin could be put back in a box. Hunt that he will respond ultimately. That he will respond because the cost benefit analysis will make him he spond. Hes playing a peeker game with a pair of 2s. We have a full house. The riernians are a iranians are a weak economy and a weak military and theyre on the wrong side of history. Putins on the wrong side of history and are eating our lunch. Hunt back to the middle east and interjennings you and john mccain said it was wrong to withdraw forces in 2010. Was the original decision to go to war in 2003, knowing what we know now that there were not weapons of malsz mass destruction was that a proper decision . Yes, because the intelligence we had at the time suggested Saddam Hussein was trying to acquire the weapons. Hunt but it was wrong. But he was shooting at our airplanes, killing the kurds. Hunt knowing what we know now, would it have been better had we not gone in. Is the world better off without Saddam HusseinMuammar Gadhafi and Osama Bin Laden . I think so. Are we better off leaving autocratic dictators in place who rape women and kill indiscriminately because it creates stability, the day we get to that point that we long for the days of gadhafi and is a damandsaddam is a bad day. Hunt will libya be better off . The libyans rose up against gadhafi, syrians rose up against assad and the arab spring is real. The vacuum is filled by terrorist organizations. First election in libya after the fall of gadhafi, islamists got 10 of the vote. Heres what i think makes is better off, never to expect somebody to live in a dictatorship for your convenience. Im not going to tell the young people of the arab world could you just suffer along because its better for me . Two things are going on at the same time in the mideast, a fight for the heart and soul of islam between radical islam and the vast majority, and a realignment of social justice and how you govern. To america, this is not hard. Im a practical guy, but theyre forcing me. The young people of the region are forcing me to take a stand. We should have done more when the iranians went into the streets in 2009. I will never give an inch on the idea that the best thing for america is for other people to live free. Hunt let me come back home. Sequester, you say its a terrible idea. The president s is a terrible idea ash carters is a terrible idea. Youre in charge of the congress, when are you going to change sequestering. The low point in my time being a republican is when my party agreed to sequestration to begin with. The idea of cutting 1. 2 trillion over a decade is a good idea. The only way it will be changed is to do nondefense as well as defense and have democrats not just republicans. Im going to challenge my party to replace sequestration with some entitlement reform and some revenue and the fight in the party will be over the second part. I am willing to close a deduction in the tax code hunt youre willing to raise taxes to get a deal. Im willing to eliminate deduction, take tax credits off the table some of your viewers may enjoy to replace sequestration thats going to make it impossible hunt this is what youre going to campaign on . I am going to put the National Security interest of the country ahead of the tax code. Hunt immigration, you were a key supporter. I would support comprehensive reform as president , secure our borders first, have more Legal Immigration to take the incentive of cheating off the table, i would try to verify employment because if you can always get a job here illegally they will keep coming no matter what you do with the border. As to the 11 million, i would say the following criminals and gang members youre not welcome, but as to the rest, you can stay here legally. You have to learn the language pay a fine, get in the back to have the line and have a tenyear before before you can apply for a green card but i would never adopt the european model. If we allow you to stay after youve made the cut of not being a criminal or disruptive force, you will get to be a part of the American Dream if you want to. A pathway to citizenship to me is the essential ingredient to immigration reform. I hate the european model where you have millions of people who are the hired help. Hunt there has been some chatter about scott walkers candidacy that he would b