York times. People feel very strongly about this. I have moderate sunni must lump friends saying if you get into bed with assadoc i youre lookt marauderrists putting off bombs. This reputation for sometimes we have for adopting convenient bed fellows, its a dangerous dangerous line to walk. Rose we conclude this evening with bill maher with real time with bill maher and hbo. The situation we have now is intolerable. How could we possibly have a congress with an Approval Rating of 10 and sometimes lower. M÷ant are returned. Theres something terribly wrong with that. Marin. Cilic, clarissa ward, tim arango and bill maher when we continue. Theres a saying around here you stand behind what you say. Around here, we dont make excuses, we make commitments. And when you cant live up to them, you own up and make it right. Some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where its needed most. But i know youll still find it, when you know where to look. Rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg. A provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Hes the 2014 u. S. Open tennis champion and devoted in straight sets last night. Here is a look at match point. Ladies and gentlemen, your 2014 u. S. Open champion marin cilic. Rose he beat roger on semi finals in three dominant sets. At 25 hes one of the small one tingent of players vying to be counted among the games elite alongside nidal, djokovic and federerer. Im pleased to have him at this table for the first time. Welcome. Thank you, thank you very much. Thank you for having me. Rose we love tennis and we want to congratulate you. We just saw the video. At match point, what were you thinking . Well, i had match point before that one in four love and in my hand i was shaking. I missed five feet the second serve. And the second one i just tried to relax and go for it and it went in. So it was huge emotions. Rose just the culmination of all that youve worked for. Absolutely. I mean, to go back and to think about how much it means to me and how much i was working for this all my life just hoping im going to make it one day to lift this trophy. Especially at this year of all the time greats, its federerer, nidal, djokovic and it seems almost unreal for me. Rose who had been your tennis heroes. Goran ivanisovic. Rose of course your coach. He selected your only cove for you. I met him when i was 14. He was recovering from his shoulder injury in 2002 and 2001 he won the wimbledon champions. He forwarded me to his coach for many years. Rose what did he do for you. Goran this last year that we worked together brought special things to me and most of all belief in myself and in the game thats working for, work for so much in the off season and also this year to change my mind set to believe in what i have to do to try to become very dangerous and to try to use all of my potential. In the beginning of the easen it wasnt easy. My mind was keeping me back, trying to play like i used to play. And it was this ongoing battle which i broke through somewhere in the middle of the season. Rose what was the battle . It was battle in myself, whether this change is good, its fine. Rose to accept the change. To accept the change and to see that this is the right way for me. And once i went for it, i felt that my game suddenly reached another step and another peak and with everybody in the team sort of we felt that the resuls were going to come. Rose was it primary your serve or the attitude. The attitude and not to back off from my game, from aggressive approach. Before in my career, i was kind of a player to, that i was thinking a lot in tactical parts. It was big preoccupation in my mind to do everything tactically and was less preoccupied to play my own game. This shift is amazing. Rose lots of players now are boeing coached by former champions those hat have been at the top. Do they bring mental change is that what they add to your game. What helped me the most what helped now is goran went through all of this in his career many times. He played four times in the grand slam final and i was absolutely sure hes going to give me right advice. I dont need to question myself, i dont need to think about anything, just let myself be in his hands and just before the match even i think he gave me probably the best advice but te most simple before i went into the court to enjoy out there, i deserved. He said youre going to be very nervous and the other guys going to be very nervous but feel the game and try to compete well. Rose did you enjoy it. Absolutely. First four or five games. Rose you were a little nervous at the beginning, my hand was shaking. I wasnt sure how it was going to end up but i was lucky to get a first break, i was serving really well and that helped me to get that advantage. Rose who give you the most difficulty among the single players. Djokovic. Rose why is that. Its good. I love him ten times. I never bitten him. Rose take us through what happened to you about the banned substance. My question was is it in some way a blessing in disguise because it gave you motivation, it gave you time to work on your game in a different way. I think so. It was for me new start. When i was going through that process first of all when i went through that, i knew nothing else is going to be as difficult for me in my life, in my tennis career than that. And that made me extremely mental tougher and on the courses, and at the gym i was working really really hard and just by going through that process i wanted to come back much stronger, much more motivated but most of all first tournament i was playing after that, i felt so joyful on the courts just hitting some balls. I didnt even think, i didnt even bother if im going to win or lose, it was just pure joy. Rose what happened to you is un beknowing to you had eaten something or taken something that turned out on the test. Yes. Thing was usually i was always taking my glucose and i ran out of it and over there i was in monaco and got some glucose over there, tablets. I didnt check them accidently and ingested some substance. But what it was sort of hidden from the media andthroughout al. This substance is banned only in competition and its allowed out of competition. And when i took it, it was out of competition. And by the time i made the test five days after in a tournament, i lost the first match of the tournament so i didnt influence anybody. I didnt make anybody lose because of that. And only in my system was found metabolites of that substance, which are completely inactive and these metabolites were showing that this substance was in the past in the system which is out of competition. And if i would have, you know, checked the substance i see its on the list, its out of competition and be completely allowed for me to take it. And when we found out about that, it was already long in the process three months after i went already through the first hearing and even in the notification letter from the itf i received i was positive on the main substance which wasnt found in my system. That was really difficult to deal with and finally i got away out of that. Even on the last hearing, it was decision was made in my favor and i also received financial, some financial help from the opposing side. Rose and you appealed. Yes. Rose what makes the champion . Everything what he does. Out of the court, on the court and being able to day after day push himself much more and more. Are and its ongoing process that its never ending, its your just trying to maximize your potential and even though if you would, i mean for the number one players in the world, they are still always trying to perform better, trying to be better and thats whats the beauty of the sport. And for the champions they never accept the failure and i feel they are not easy on themselves. They are very hard working and they know their goals and they are really working to rose these qualities you have early on in your life, this is not something you pick up when youre 17. Yeah. Its not. But i was blessed with the talent to work and talent to learn. And i learned a lot from bob brett, my long time coach and he teach me about the game almost everything and he is probably one of the best coaches in the world in a tactical way, psychological physical way. And just he learned my mind set how to read the game. Rose when did you know it was tennis you wanted to devote your life to. 14 years old. Rose oh really, 14. 14. Rose thats because you knew you were good, you had talent, people told you had the potential to be a champion. Yes. And i had to choose. Im coming from a he very small town no tradition for tennis, no options, no big tennis centers. I had to choose to continue to my school or to go to the capitol to continue my training and my tennis. So i picked that and iall of myn interesting way is that to all those people out there who watched you yesterday, that if you work hard, you have a chance. Yes, absolutely. Especially in sports and tennis particularly, you are there on your own and many guys that are around top 20, top 30 and even the lower rank players they are just missing small bits and its always difficult to motivate yourself after. Rose thats the top rank player and not top rank is a small thing. Yes, for sure. Very very small thing. Because today everybody in top 30, 40, even top hundred knowho. The best ones have the best abilities and they know the game the best and they have everything they need to have to be at the top. But still if you are looking at some players like mofice who was ranked number 25 for and he made it to quarter finals and then he had so much guys that are ranked around 30 or even 40 thats really know how to play tennis. Rose congratulations again. I mean it was remarkable. Roger rederer in three sets and again winning the championship in three sets remarkable even you i suspect didnt imagine it would be that easy. No, never. And to play best tennis of my life in the last three matches of the tournament i couldnt have dreamed that. Rose it was the best tennis of your life. Absolutely, yes. Rose do you know, i cant wait having listened to you in this conversation the next time you play novak thats where id like to be because you probably have more confidence now. I feel much more confident now and with this victory i gained perspective for my mind that what i do is good and its really good and its going to be enough to win against the best guys. Even this year i had with novak very few, very tough matches. We played when i was there, two sets one up. Stripped that but im feeling that im very very close to many more of those matches. Rose the message from this interview is watch out novak. Yes, hopefully, hopefully yes. Rose come back to see us at the table. Its a pleasure. Thank you. It was a pleasure to be here and hopefully ill be back. Rose back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose we continue our series of conversations about isis this evening, here is their interview. The recruits tried to flee but it was too late. Isis had arrived. Later the recruits are paraded in public view marching toward their death. Rose im pleased to have both of them back at this table. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Rose so the president has an important speech to make. Whats the imperative of the moment as you see it. Well, the imperative of the moment is to dealgvu ur this not just this group on a military level that we know as isis but to deal with this toxic ideology which is spreading like wild fire. And infecting particularly young disaffected men not only in the middle east but were seeing now much more in the west. And that i think has to be considered in tandem with any military strategy going forward. Youve got to tackle the ideology, and obviously us in the west and American Government cant be the one leading that charge. That needs to come from within the muslim community. I think for the president the i imperative is explaining o the American People why we should go on a military adventure again in iraq. We never done that and its turned out for the best. So he has to explain that. I think thats his imperative. Rose do you think he obviously in that statement taking a huge risk to do what he seems prepared to do. Its not all in because hes not talking with american troops there. They talk about the iraqi army and training the iraqi again. We did that for ten years and it was a absolute failure. They walked away and took theiry americans have said were not going to do more in terms of the military operations unless you form an exclusive government and treat the sunnis and kurds as participants in the politics of iraq. Rose theres a split among people who come to this table. I feel strongly about that and i know as journalist youre not supposed to have strong feelings about this. Lets look at the optic of the situation. You have more than 200,000 people who have been savagely, brutally murdered over the course of three years by this man, this despot, this dictator. Then you have, and the u. S. Has not done that much from the ground there hasnt been action from the international community. Then isis comes along and then within a short period of time, a few months were talk big air strike, theres a huge sense of momentum, we need to address this issue which is absolutely right. But imagine now youre a sunni muslim, okay. You dont support isis but you still very feel strongly that assad is evil and has committed war crimes. There is no way you can just let this man and this regime off the hook without alien eighting sunni muslims. I have moderate sunni muslim friends saying if you get into bed with assad youre looking at moderates putting off suicide bombs and launching revenge attacks. Thats how strongly people feel about this. This reputation that we sometimes have for just you know adopting convenient bed fellows, its a dangerous dangerous line to walk. Isis, everyone thinks its come from no where. Thats the perception among a lot of people. We used to call isis rose right. Its the same thing. Assad has a lot to do with allowing alqaeda and iraq to flourish during the American Occupation because he was worried the americans would come for him next. So there were safe houses in the border run by Syrian Intelligence helping the foreign fighters to come in and join alqaeda andb iraq and isis against the americans. You see eastern iraq and rocco which is the hq of christ. When you compare to day in day out relentless bombardment, you havent seen that kind of show of force or attack. For a long time isis was a very convenient tool for us. He continued to divide the opposition. But i think ultimately it will come back to bite him in the you know what. What if he went all in with rose talk about that. The u. S. And iran are sort of dancing around each other on the same side in iraq saying theyre not coordinating. But you have the american war planes in the sky and the iranian militia. Rose somebody pointed out. On the battle. These are the best fighters in iraq the shia militia that iran supports. The americans were bombing and the americans coordinate the air strikes with the iraqi army on the ground and im sure theyre with the iranians so its through the iraqi army or the Kurdish Forces so they are sort of working together. And the other ironic thing showing how much of a disaster iraq is and how dramatic this changes. Those militia were the primary enemies of the americans in 2011. They were the ones that were killing the americans as they were packing up and leaving these very powerful ids that were traced to factories in iran. Rose hes actually in iraq. That day. He goes everywhere back and forth but on that particular day. He was in baghdad in june as well i remember when mosul first fell. It comes back to the bed fellows. Why do we have to be getting involved. Obviously theres a clear compelling reason why isis needs to be taken down so to speak. But why do we have to throw ourselves, throw our weight. I feel like theres this pend lump effect where we sort of throw our weight behind these guys and throw our weight behind the other . Guys who need to be dh this saudi arabia, turkey, qatar. Rose those are situations taking place certainly. Yes, in turkey trying to get them. Thats a top sell right now because theyre on turkish diplomats isis is holding. So thats why it was not supportive of the air strikes but privately ive been told he encourages it. Rose tell me about the conversations youve had with the guy had survived. That was a Pretty Amazing experience. I went to his house twice in southern iraq. The first time i showed up, he was picking dates in his uncles orchard and he was moving on with his life. I think by that time he was sort of eager to tell his story and it was just a gripping gripping story. I hadnt seen a video yet because i know the journalists had done the video interview. I learn a lot not just about his story and how much ofit was butr great example of how much a disaster the iraqi army was. I didnt realize this at this time but he was on a american isis was coming down towards crete and they freaked out. They say their officers told them drop your weapons put on your track suits and record sandals and just walk out the door. They were told that the local tribes would protect them. And you saw all those men walking down the street. The really sad irony is the bases fell. All they had to do was stay in their home, stay in their base. Maliki went there a couple weeks ago so it never fell. I think they were tricked. I think the local tribes took part in the massacre. Theres lots of allegations and evidence to back that up. And it sort of brought us back to the days of saddam hussein, and this is on the grounds of saddam husseins palace allegedly with some of his tribes. Rose who is it youve been talking to. Ive been talking to a Broad Spectrum of western jihaddists who are inside syria and iraq some of them fighting with isis and some fighting for lesser known groups which frankly in a couple months theyll cease to exist because theres really one act in town these days. Its very interesting to see. I talked a lot to one australian, a young guy and the way he talks and the rhetoric he uses, theres a lot to me thats sore of reminiscent of okay if he had grown up in South Central maybe he would have joined a gang and maybe this fills the space as a sense of fraternity or belonging or purpose and feeling very disaffected and disenfranchised within your own community÷ at home. So idealally on a lot of these conversations we have to be careful going ahead at how we look to militants some of them want to come back to the west and of course many of them have perpetrated war crimes and are mentally unsound and clearly need to be punished for whatever it is that theyve done. But there are others who perhaps have gotten themselves into a situation that they now cant really get out of because its kind of become bigger than them. Theres a lot of naivety there. I hope as governments go ahead with especially the europeans