And some temporary solution will be found. Rose like what . Like some sort of as we call it, government of the president that say the government who have the majority evaluating case by case, or you know, with some temporary agreement. One of these solution will be found, another to let the situation calm down. Rose so here you have, look at this. You have, mr. Berlusconi getting 25 of the vote. Yes. Rose a comedy mr. Grilo had 20 percent poster of the vote. Mr. Berlusconi is a comedian and the other person is a comedian. Thats 50 of the vote. Im the person that should not talk twice and hes always lost in the elections. But you know, he made the campaign. Its the same man. Not only telling you i shared the but i skhul give back the tax you have paid last year. Its unbelievable. But in the moment of Economic Crises quite a few but look, he lost a big percent of the vote because he had a very Strong Majority that passed. And then he lost a lot of votes but he was able to give the illusion that it could be the savior in such a difficulty economic condition. Rose who will, whats going to happen to mr. Monti with the vote. Its with but it still in politics. I dont know what he will choose. He will take time in order to reorganize the party. It will be almost impossible that he will be Prime Minister again unless he prolonged it for a limited time. Rose he does not have enough votes to make a it. But the two chambers had the same power. Theyre identical so you need the confidence vote in both of them. This is why you read some sort of compromise lets saying organize by the public. Rose what did you want. I want personally . I was i a happy for the result of the elections but i am not active in the italian politics so i look hoping for a resolution very soon, you know. Rose you really believe there will be a solution soon . Yes. It will be a temporary solution say not for five years but there will be a solution. Rose turning to the euro, whats going to happen to the euro zone. The euro zone its at the end of july but when the two three counties italy is lucky were still a strong industry and experts know that very well consumptions are going down. This is not a certainty because we export well, competition is not bad but because of our the internal demand is collapsing. And this is absolutely out of any lets say rose so how do you increase internal demand . Well, one bit we can do because we are safe from the European Regulation on deficit, you know. And so we cant give but even more i hope i do push that germany and other European Countries they give it is difficult to understand foreign economies. The germans has a big sur plus in trade balance. Enormous, not big. They have zero growth. And they have no inflation. Why dont they stimulate the economy. Because of political problems. Actually they hesitate but i think that in some way its german interest and european interest and we need it even more rose how do you see the u. S. Economic recovery. Better than i was afraid. The last two weeks it was good news. I do hope we go on because when they employ the statistics in the United States, i, you know, i tend to think that weve gone. Rose do you think, do europeans admire president obama . Yes. Rose because . Well, because it shows a symbol of change and novelty. Of course they love, they were more in love with the first election than with the second. But still because its always happening politics. But still more of them another case, you know. Theres some sort of familiarity, you know. Despite we cannot say were the most lets say american president the most interested in europe because it was no, it was far away from europe you know. But he didnt studied in europe, he was not rose he spent his time in asia. But hes left. Rose youre an economist and you come from that issue rather than foreign policy. But you were at the european commission. What does the world do about syria and a war that seems to be becoming almost like lebanon. Well, now theres agreement between russia and Security Council, chinese and so i dont think that can be made. I am testing this thinking that let us consider war now. We go on still for a while. Rose for a while. Yes. I dont see a solution. This is what. Even if some progress was done last week here in rome was working on trying to move the situation. There is not yet everything that is needed. Rose i assume you know john kerry. Yes. I met the first time in europe and i was happy. I was happy because he was flexible. And he you know generally cut through tapes only answer to questions, you know. He was asking, he was arguing, he was very open to the discussion. And intelligent, of course, yes. I would hope that with this human touch he will help the solution. Rose when you look at africa, the same economist magazine has a big story in here about africa, aspiring africa. Yes. Rose youre the envoy. What is your goal . My goal is from say look sahel is a big area. Its a strip 3,500 miles long from senegal to 700 miles large. But is very more genuous in terms of poverty, in term of drug area, in term of lets say all the malnutrition, in terms of child mortality. Its an area of africa that is not moving, you know. And so say let us type at a glance, not counted by counties in the area and link them in order to push the development. This is the long think are. Of course when you have a case like mali, there is some obligation to try to help the process of lets say peace and new governments in order to have, in order to have rose with respect to mali do you believe that the french intervention is achieving the success that it hoped to. To now, yes. And i honestly, im genuinely not to the war but i was in mali at that moment. And you know, the intervention was absolutely unavoidable. Terrorists coming invited 2509 capitol. There was no choice. Now the goals of the war in terms of occupying the north but the terrorists for the most part is them disappearing. And our fear is that will go to libya. Rose theyre coming from libya too. Well theyre coming but libya, you know. Because it was always not evaluated enough because you have such a big area without borders and the terrorists have the best place to grow because you know theres a lot of illegal economy. Because before the wars a lot of money coming from libya. Then after the end of qaddafi, now you increase the trafficking, kidnapping and ransoms. Other activity and so now you have all the society that must change in this poverty. And so the United Nations job is to create some sort of environment. And our idea is to involve local universities, local societies. And so we have the meeting in the first meeting in dakar for putting in order priorities. Say agriculture, decentralizing electrical energy. That must have in africa the portable telephone is a big revolution because of the telephone. And then school, hospitals. But we have to start immediately there, you know. In order to bring sahel, link it to all africa. Because remember that the new event in the world is that Africa Global speaking, not sahel is moving. If you think statistics of china, but after that theres africa. Rose yes. Low base. Low base, of course. Please dont misunderstand me. They are in terrible poverty. Horrible. But when you ten years ago i should have told to you look i am desperate. Now i am beginning to hope, let us say beginning to hope and so the aim of the secretarygeneral is to help sahel link it to other Africa Infrastructure and so on. On the other side we have to collect money to do it. And you have to remember this, that different from syria, afghanistan. Here, you have all the Security Council together because everybody is frightened by the new terrorists. So you have not lets say one day russia you have china, russia, United States going in the same direction. And i want to explore this is high goal and to connect then and adopt procedural very quick in order to make intervention as rapid as we can. Rose its very good to see you in italy. Thank you for letting me visit with you. Its very cold out here. This is beautiful. This is a tuesday and they are now in the Sistine Chapel and theyre probably going to be voting this evening for the first time on this and well have a new pope this week. Well have two weeks whether it will be black or white smoke. Rose there will be one vote this evening and then tomorrow theyll have more. More. Rose its an exciting time to be in rome. I thank you for taking time. Thank you. And i hope you coming back. Rose i hope so too. Romano prodi in italy. Back in a moment. Rose jay bilas is here a College Basketball alice for espn. During is 1980s he was a four year starter at Duke University where he scored more than 1points. He wrote a column that sought to define toughness in College Basketball. That piece drew wide attention. It is now the basis for a book he calls toughness developing true strength on and off the court. I am pleased to have him here at this table for the first time. Hes been on this program many times. Welcome. Why this book and what was it that resonated with people before we define toughness . Well first my teammates will find it wildly ironic that im writing about toughness. Rose why. They might not have associated that with me as a player. When i wrote that for espn. Com, i heard commentators, many people like me pointing out somebody who i think maybe acted like a bully saying well that guys a tough guy. I didnt think thats what it meant. When i wrote the article i couldnt believe the response i got. People literally from all over the world whether they were coaches, soldiers in some instances, edge indicators reached out. Rose because they know how tough it is. Yes. And it length been defined before like that. At least in their judgment. And i started thinking about it that who taught you to be tough and to persevere and to be prepared and to be a great teammate. For me it was coach kay. I had examples from my life growing up but there wasnt anybody that said all right heres what toughness means. When i say we want you to be tougher and we want this team to be collectively tougher, heres what it means. Rose what did he say it meant. Coach kay . Dont know if he really defined it. It became suggest learned by osmosis from being there when a ball was on the floor you didnt bend over at the waste to pick it up. You dove on it. I learned that the hard way. Rose my sense is more than most he understands how to get inside of you and find what will motivate you to be the best that you can possibly be. And find the toughness, find the motivation, find the drive, find you know find the spirit for victory. I think thats true. I think hes one of those coaches and there are others. Hes not alone in that but i think hes at the top of the heap that are able to get you to do willingly what you might not want to do individually. Skip rosser a former coach at lake force such a good friend of mine used to quote emerson is a friend is someone who will make you do what you can. And i think rose a friend is someone who will make you do what you can. Make you do what you can. I may have paraphrased that a little bit but skip said that a lot. He said it to his team. I heard him say it a million times. Coach kay is like that. He has, holds you in accountable. Youre responsible to your job. Youre accountable to the whole. Youre accountable to the mission as the nasa engineer said in the book responsibility to the element accountable to the mission. Thats the way coach kay was. Youre responsible for your job but your mix was to keep the other team from scoring. For us to be in a position to win, thats your ultimate objective. Rose youve got ten chapters in this book to talk about particular chapters, well talk about those and move on to basketball. Trust is number one. Give me a quick definition. I think you have to be tough enough to hear tough things 23r your colleagues teammates and coaches. Thats your test of toughness playing for coach kay. You were held accountable for what you were supposed to do and then if you didnt do it,. Rose you knew. You knew right away. If you were corrected you were expected to act upon it in a positive way. Grant hill was really influential on me in this book whenner talked about teammates have to be able to trust each other so that if the two of us are playing together and i make a mistake and you say come on jay, youve got to do what youre supposedded to do. How am i going to take that. Am i going to take that that charlies getting on me. Well you do your job. Are we going to get into an argument or am i saying all right, youre telling me the truth i need to get this done and we move on. Rose trust youll do that. Yes. Its also a competition thing weve gough to be able to trust each other. Well compete going for the same job. Well compete our tails off every day in practice. If you win the job and youre a starter am i going to sit on the bench and hope you screw up so youre going to win. Thats not what tough competitors do. Tough competitors wont win. Were on the same teach were going to fight every day and when its time to play you go on the floor together were going to unite and play our tails off together and im going to be rooting for you. I hope i go in too. Ill do my job when i get in there though im not going to root for you to fail so that i get a chance. Thats not what competitors do. Rose grant hill you say is a model for overcoming adversity. I think so. Rose thats injury or what . Everything. I mean grants career has been remarkable in so many ways. Hes an incredibly nice person. So nice and tough are not mutually exclusive but when he got the first six inquiries in the mba his numbers were such that only two other players could match them in the first six years across the board but only three bound assists alike. Oscar robertson and lebron james. His first six years and larry bird. Three players excuse me. Rose courage is another. This kind of courage doesnt measure up to those who are in the military and face real threats, but when you step to the freethrow line and you have to hit a big freethrow. That takes some courage. And you have to be confident when you step up. How are you confident. You have to concentrate intensely and steve curt told me he. He concentrated on his routine. Steve told me this story, hes a great shooter but a guy that wasnt always confident and failed at different times during his carrier. He shot a freethrow against the Houston Rockets one game and he thought it was perfect. Form, follow through, the ball went right through the basket it was absolute perfect. And so from then on, in his routine, he had a routine that he stuck to because that was where his confidence came from before he would shoot the ball. He would say to himself houston to put himself in that situation. He had the courage to step up there and accept the consequences of the result, that i may miss, im going up there to make it but i may miss and i dont care. Ill accept it because ive got the guts to go up there. Im tough enough to go up there and accept the consequences for missing. Rose give me the ball. Yes. Listen, steve talked about guys like duane wade or lebron james. He seeing them struggle at times with their confidence. Thats something you have to be tough enough to overcome. You cant do it by yourself. Thats where your teammates and coaches come in that give you that help you with that confidence of belief. You earn the confidence so when you step to the line you know youve put the work in youve done it a million times. Thats when your intense concentration and your routine allows you to be relaxed. Rose ill read the rest of them. Communication, persistence, next play, commitment accept shungs and self evaluation. All of things give you toughness. You said recently about ncaa basketball. It is in a crises state. I believe that. I believe were in a lot of trouble and i believe that for a period of years and ive said it before but now with whats going on in the game i think people can really see it even the most casual observers can see it. Rose whats going on. Our product is not very good. The quality of play has deteriorated. Theres nobody in charge. We dont have, if you have an idea for College Basketball on whose door do you knock. Theres nobody. Theres nobody in charge. Usa basketball is jerry delang low. He is in charge. Decisions are made to keep up with the changing landscape of the game. Usa basketball used to be run by Committee Like the ncaa is. Now its run by injury delang owe and look at the results. Its magnificent. Rose do they need a tzar in College Basketball. I think they do, every different sport needs a commissioner and needs to be valid individually governed. Weve got a game now where its a foul compose are teaching fouling because the referees cant call them on. Theres no hammer over the officials to have the freedom of movement that they have, initially theyve gone through at nba. They have the same problem and they fixed it. We need to fix ours. Rose is that through the referees. I think the referees do by and large a great job. Theyre terrific, great people and terrific professionals. But i think theres a feeling that they cant call all the fouls. Charlie whats happening to basketball right now. The College Basketball coaches are teaching their players to foul because they know that the referees cant call them on it. And now with everybody doing it, youre in a competitive disadvantage if you dont. And if you watch, what players are doing now and coaches are teaching is hands up, keep your hands up and attack them with your chest and your lower body. So guys going up for a shot near the basket and hes being ridden off of his ability to make that shot by being hit. Rose by hitting his chest. Yes. Theyre bumping cutters so a guy cuts through the lane and being wrapped up and timing is being taken out of the game. So we dont have freedom of movement. What the referees refer to is anything that, any illegal conduct, contact that impedes your rhythm speed balance and quickness is a foul. Weve got a bunch of fouls that are going uncalled in these games and its hurting the game. Scoring is down to historic lows. Scoring is down to areas well before the shot clock. Shooting percentages are way down. Theres a lot of contributing narcotics to that. Players leaving early. Its part of it. The fact that the game is a little bit overcoached right now and guys are touching and holding on to balls too. The way i look at it, you can hold the ball. You can look at the clock but you cant hold your opponent thats foul. The referees are the last lin