States he got in to see hamilton but can he win enough in the states to come. As john kasich tries to score as many delegates as threepoint shots well talk to him about his strategy with just 99 days to the Cleveland Convention the clock is running down on him. Well also look back at the first contested convention in the television era. And film maker ken burns will be here to preview his new film on Jackie Robinson, all ahead on face the nation. Captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, welcome to face the nation. Ted cruz picked up additional 1 delegates this weekend in colorados republican contest. Bringing him even closer to donald trump. On the democratic side although Bernie Sanders won the wyoming caucuses, due to the states rules he and Hillary Clinton both picked up seven delegates. We begin with Bernie Sanders who joins us from new york city. Welcome, senator. Is the victory in wyoming a picture of where the campaign is at this moment a win for you, sounds good but then you look at the delegate number you split it with Hillary Clinton . Well, that is the eighth victory that we have won in the last nine contests. There is no question i think that we have the momentum. If you look at National Polling where we started this campaign we were 60 points down, some of the recent polls actually have National Polls ahead of secretary clinton. Were closing the gap in new york and pennsylvania and california. I am feeling really great. I believe that we have a real path to victory and that at the end of the day were going to win this . Dickerson lets talk about that path. Because you still have to make up that deficit in delegates. The people who look at the math here say that that path requires you you need big wins, do you think that is probable . How does that happen . Whats the path . Let me say this, john, we have cut her lead by a third in the last three or so weeks. I think were now 214 delegates behind, used to be more than 300 behind. We got some big states. When we began this campaign we had to deal with the south, the deep south, thats a pretty conservative part of this country. Not a stronghold for me. But out of the south now were heading to new york, heading west i think were going to see us do very, very well in many of those states. The reason is that our message is resonating. People really are tired of establishment politics, establishment cheeks economics. They do not believe that candidate who receives huge amount of money from wall street or other special interests like secretary clinton, will be capable of addressing the major crises facing the working families of this country. Dickerson the mention the south is not a stronghold for you. Let me ask you about your theory of the presidency that youll be able to build the momentum that will swamp republicans in those southern parts of the country because you will build such a movement that it will overcome all of the political blockage that kept things clotted up here in washington. But havent been able to up with in the south doesnt that mean theres a limit to your appeal that wont be able to work as youd like it to when you become president. John, thats not exactly what ive been saying. What i have been saying is that we are waging what we call a political revolution. And what that means is that no president , not Bernie Sanders or anybody else can do what has to be done for the middle class of this country, pay equity for women, health care for all. Make sure that were not the only major country, thats guarantee paid family and medical leave. Make colleges to you particulars free. What we need street a Strong Political movement where millions of people, working people, young people, stand up, fight back and demand the government that represents all of us not just multicampaign contributors. Lieutenant me give you example, can temporary example. I have believed for awhile now that we need 15 an hour minimum wage. Secretary clinton has supported a 1 an hour minimum wage. What youre seeing all across this country is workers standing up, fighting back, now you got california and new york state passing 15 an hour minimum wage because people demanded it. Thats what our campaign is about. Dickerson let me ask you about political movements i was thinking about the 1980 race, jimmy carter won, then kennedy said he had a movement he contested it even though he had not won the majority, took it all the way to the convention, had a big fight. Kennedy lost he really he won platform, he really used that moment to get across his message have you contemplated or thought about doing anything like that . Well, obviously we will play an active role in shaping the platform. What were going to fight for is the demand that time of massive income and wealth and equality, wealthiest people and Largest Corporation start paying their fair share of taxes. Well demand vigorous action in climate change, we leave this planet in a healthy way for our kids. We are going to take on the issue of poverty in america, that very few people talk about. It is unacceptable to me that we have highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth. Well rebuild the infrastructure and improve our Water Systems and waste water plants, roads and bridges. Those are the issues that we will fight for to get on the platform whether i am the nominee or secretary clinton is the nominee. Dickerson what kennedy did he contested the actual familiar nation to got his message across is that something you contemplated . Well, our plan right now is to win this thing. And again i think were looking pretty good in new york, in pennsylvania, in california, in oregon. I think we have real shot to end up with more delegates. Other point i would make, john, is that if you look at most, not aural, but most of the in this casual polling what you find is that Bernie Sanders won stronger against donald trump and against other republicans, sometimes by pretty large numbers than does Hillary Clinton. Youre going to see a lot of delegates wanting to beat trump, maybe bernie is the guy to do that. Dickerson where are we on the question whether Hillary Clinton is qualified to be president. You said she was, then she wasnt, what is the bottom line . We were attacked pretty harshly by the Clinton Campaign who suggested that i was not qualified. And we responded by saying, you know what, a candidate who receives enormous amount of money from special interests, a candidate who voted for the war in reaction, candidate who voted for virtually every disastrous trade policy which cost us millions of jobs, well, you know what, maybe her judgment is not quite as high as it should be. John, i want to get away from this stuff. I respect Hillary Clinton ive known her for 25. I want a debate on real issues. Dickerson is her judgment irrevocably broken in way that makes her incapable of doing the job of being president . She does enormous experience, everybody who knows her knows that she is very intelligent. But i think her judgment, for example, on Foreign Policy, lets be clear, the war in iraq was the worst Foreign Policy blunder in the modern history of america. I heard the same evidence that she did, she was in the senate, i was in the house, i led the opposition. She supported that war, something that the American People might want to take interest consideration when you think about the judgment. Dickerson what the Clinton Campaign would say they wanted people to take look at your in ii view with the new york daily nice on your core issue of break can up the big banks, the Washington Post, tough editorial, mr. Sanders shocking ignorance of his core issue. What is your response . Let me be clear. The Washington Post not one of my strongest supporters. Hillary clinton has difference of opinion. I believe that when three out of the four largest banks are bigger than they were when they bailed them out because they were too big to fail, i think they should be broken up i think she would reestablish a 21st century legislation. By the way, supported by john mccain and Elizabeth Warren something that i think is the right thing to do. There are number of ways to go about breaking up banks, weve introduced legislation, i like my idea best. Dickerson well have to leave it there. Thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. Dickerson up next Ohio Governor john kasich who joins us from rochester, new york. Governor, lets started with your path to the nomination dont you have to win more delegates than youve been winning so far . Oh, yeah, were going to win more delegates. That is our strategy. Here in new york, were running in second place here where i am right now the town of greece. This Congressional District im running even with donald trump. The crowds are growing, john. We had 34,000 people here today, this morning. We will accumulate delegates and go into the convention, we believe with momentum. Dickerson what happened in wisconsin you had smaller number of combat ant. It was in the midwest which is good for you left the stay with no delegates. Well, look, i think wisconsin first of all the Republican Party far more conservative than what we saw in michigan or ohio. Secondly turned into a stop trump effort. Strutted spent over a Million Dollars smearing up up three. We were prepared to live with that result. But now that were going to be in new york, going to be in pennsylvania. The proof will be in the pudding we will accumulate delegates youll see it. Well go to the convention, the interesting thing, john, is more and more people the political establishment is beginning to look at two things. One, who can win in the fall. Im the only one that consistently beats Hillary Clinton in the fall. And there is great concern in the Republican Party that were not just talking about the president ial race. Frankly if we get blown out in the fall which i think we would with both cruz and trump we could lose United States senate. We would lose seats all wait way from the state house to the courthouse this is going to be a big consideration at the convention. Secondly, were actually going to try to figure out who could be a good president. Dickerson youll go into the convention with the least amount of delegates probably of the three people who were in this contest still. Is your main competition then cruz and trim l or is it people are talking about paul ryan. Some people have talked about mitt romney, who do you see your competition if its as wide open as need to be for to you win . Well, i dont know dash look, sheer what is going to happen i dont want to get into all the process i think youre going to see a significant changes in the delegates voting after the first ballot. We have like the best people who can know how to manage a convention. The key for me there is going to make sure this im able to visit all these delegations. As you know, the process of picking delegates now varies from state to state. So, its going to be very interesting, well have full court press, people that know how to do this the key for me to be there. Here is what is interesting. I am the second choice of the cruz people and also the trump people. Its interesting. Also as you know weve had ten contested conventionss, only three times has the front runner won and i dont want to go back in history, too far, but i think old honest abe went into the Convention Third or fourth. And came out the winner. Well see. Dickerson people are looking at this now and they think well people who got more delegates shouldnt they have some value . You will go in with your delegates than anybody else. But you have you have to make the magic number. Like when you take a test if an a is 90 you get 85 you dont get an a. Ive been talking about this for a month. Dickerson youre in there with 60. Well, wait a minute. We dont know what we have yet, john. Were going to have to have some momentum and accumulate more delegates. Our strategy is to continue to move forward to accumulate delegates. So, well see what happens out of new york, pennsylvania, maryland, connecticut. Well see what happens there. So dont be trying to predict how many ill have. Because im not going to predict it but im going go to have more than i have right now well be viable. Dickerson lets talk about john, at the end of the day im the only person that consistently beats Hillary Clinton in the fall. When are we going to pick somebody that cant win . That would be nuts. Dickerson lot me ask you about Hillary Clinton, there was debate this side about whether shes qualified to be president. Do you think she is . Well, its not job to be running around questioning peoples qualifications, let the voters decide. I think shes i beat her in virtually every state all are the time. And my biggest challenge now of course is this republican primary. And we just have to keep moving on it and we get into the fall you talk to democrats, experts they say kasich can attract crossover votes as independents ive demonstrated an ability to do that in the general election. We have to get to that point. Immunol going to say this person is not qualified or start attacking, i dont want to go there. Dickerson a question about something that your colleague, governor in North Carolina, signed a law in North Carolina ban antidiscrimination based on Sexual Orientation and mandated transgender people use public bathrooms based on the sex indicated on their birth certificates. Would you have signed that law . Probably not. We are not having this issue in our state about this whole religious liberty. I believe that religious institutions ought to be protected and be able to be in a position of where they can live out their deeply held religious purposes. But when you get beyond that it gets to be a tricky issue. And tricky is not the right word but a contentious issues. But in our state were not facing this. Everybody needs to take a deep breath, respect one another and with the minute we start trying to write laws, things become more polarized, more complicated, obviously i dont want to force people to violate their deeply held religious convictions, we have to see what that is all about. I wouldnt have signed that law from everything i know i havent studied it. Nathan deal, the governor of georgia, vetoed another one. Just got to see what the laws are and pro the proposals. Why do we have to write a law every time we turn around in this country. Cant we figure out just how to get along a little bit better and respect one another . Thats where i think we ought to be. Everybody, chill out, get over it if you have a disagreement with somebody. Thats where i am right now, john. Unless something that pops up im in the inclined to sign anything. Dickerson Governor John Kasich we appreciate you being with us. Thank you. Dickerson well be back in one minute. Hello prashant bhuyan. 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What it is, is that for donald trump to get back on track after loss in wisconsin, after ted cruz has been cutting in to his lead he will need large win in new york, probably watch if he can get twothirds of the delegates out of it that will be rebound after falling short this week. The. Dickerson the polings have trump up by a lot in new york, also not state that really sets up very well for ted cruz so what does ted cruz do in new york if is there a way he can grab some delegates from trump and for that matter john kasich following a similar strategy . There is. If you look at new york the way the campaigns will start looking at new york, it is, district by district, which means that candidates like cruz or kasich who hey fall short overall are going to go around sharing places, where there might be more conservative voters. There are delegates to be, maybe upstate, in these areas of new york up here where if they can find more conservative voters and pull out some districts from those areas, their strategy will be, stop trump, undermine trumps delegate count try a little bit to cut into that lead by picking up delegates here and there. Dickerson thats right. So, the goal now for cruz before we get to that. Is the chance that senator cruz could get to the magic anybody of 1,237 is that rellly possible when you look at the math right now . Well, right now, only donald trump has a truly viable chance to get to the magic number of 1237. In fact its the size of traumas overall lead that has people talking in terms like were saying of slowing him down, of preventing him from getting to that majority. Then taking this on to what we be contested or open convention. For everybody trailing donald trump thats the key. Can they slow him down, cut into his ability to amass delegates as we go forward