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KPIX Face The Nation December 21, 2015

Is their number one issue, most its terrorism. Lot to say the economy. Those say that faith and values and religious matters are number one thats where cruz really has an enormous lead over trump that is the difference. Dickerson so, if cruz is pulling from evangelical taking them away from ben carson, what is happening to the trump vote is he staying solid . Rock steady. You look at those same individuals again reinterviewed they stay with donald trump. And his dickerson youve been interviewing them over a period of time. Theres been challenge after challenge the donald trump that could knock them off but theyre sticking with him. They stick with him. As you see in your focus groups and others, everybody says, donald trump said something controversial, he must go down. Surely donald trump will go down. He doesnt go down. Voters stay with him. Republicans say that in general they are glad he says the things that he says. They think, even if they dont agree, although many do that theyre glad these things are out there being discussed. Dickerson thats happening with him in New Hampshire as well as pretty much case of donald trump everywhere. What else are you seeing in new york . Donald trump still at number one. Still holding steady. You do see another move there a little bit to cruz from carson, but youve got rubio then in contention in double digits there. Everywhere. Now, chris christie. He has doubled his support from last time in New Hampshire. So hes in that second tier there now. A little bit of evidence that retail politics is helping him, people who say they like seeing the candidates in person, but also he, along with donald trump, seen as effective thats how they describe him. Thats different from saying marco rubio his calling card looks likes electability. Thats different from effective. Thats how you define mainstream in that, as voters start to play political consultant, they look ahead to that general election. Theyre looking for somebody who is electable. Where as that group of republicans who think that government doesnt work any more, thats where you go for the effective canned day. They think they can get conservative things done. Although i wonder if in an age of jitteriness and fright in response to the terror attacks whether effective suns also about what is going to keep me safe as to who can get elected. Its certainly is. Theres numbers that jumped out here where nine in ten republicans say this they feel the u. S. Is becoming more dangerous and insecure. We just didnt see those kind of overwhelming numbers no matter what ask you. It speaks to your point about anxiety. Also thats layered on top of economic insecurity, too. Which has been throughout this whole campaign. Again, eight, nine, ten of these voters feel u. S. Economic system doesnt help them. When you think of the system doesnt work, not just things are going in the wrong direction thats where you to go a candidate that might say, change the whole system. Dickerson all right. If that is what is happening on republican side switch over to the democratic side they had debate last night. What do the numbers show for those three folks . Hillary clinton sauce in iowa, berry sappedders in New Hampshire. Now, in iowa what you see is, Bernie Sanders everything hard time getting traction. I think that that means that hillary gets lions share. But what is interesting about this whole race, john, is that democrats are happy with the tone and tenor of it but dont want the see them go at each other any more than they already are. We asked them, do you want to see Bernie Sanders be more critical of Hillary Clinton and his voters say, no, just fine with that. In fact you ask him how do you feel about Hillary Clinton, they like her, but they like Bernie Sanders better. You ask her voters what they think of Bernie Sanders message, they like it. But like hillary better. Not ascension of lets be more combative here. Its a family quarterback but not a lot of dickerson they can squabble but is all a hug. Thanks so much. Thank you, john. Dickerson well be back in a moment. In panama, which is a city of roughly 2 million people, we are having 5,000 new cars being sold every month. This is a very big problem for us with respect to fast and efficient transportation. Its kind of a losing proposition to keep going this way. We are trying to tackle the problem with several different modes. One of them is the brand new metro. We had a modest forecast 110,000 passengers per day in the first line. We are already over 200,000. Our collaboration with citi has been very important from the very beginning. Citi was our biggest supporter and our only private bank. 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Chief correspondent of the washington post, dan balz, atlantics national correspondent, jeffrey goldberg. Welcome to all of you we have two debates this week on both sides. Lets start with the Republican Debate. Now dan we have two debates within the Republican Debate. Lets start with cruzrubio. What is that about . Two things, john. One i think each of them and each of their campaigns believes that they are going to be in a final showdown with the other. And so they have been preparing for this, they have done all the Opposition Research on one another. Its now coming out. The second is, that cruzs strategy to consolidate a broader piece of the conservative part of the Republican Party. Most conservative part than anybodys ever been able to do. Rubio is trying to crowd into some of that territory. So rubio is trying to suggest that cruz is not as conservative say on immigration as he claims. And cruz is trying to hold the line and put down a firmer conservative position the dynamic of that is what weve seen play out this week. Dickerson peggy, seems to be cruz taking look at the cruz strategy here which the tie marco rubio to his support of the gang of eight. Immigration reform that passed in the senate to just lock him to that. How damaging do you think that is in the republican side to be associated with comprehensive Immigration Reform . Well, well see. Its not where the base is. I think if weve learned anything this year, it is that the base of the Republican Party is against illegal immigration, wants something done. The establishment elites the top, if you will, has for 15 years not been so antiillegal immigration. Theres a difference f. Youre a candidate right now youre trying to talk to the base of the party. Ive been part of what is going on with cruz and rubio is that by the end of New Hampshire, say, theres going to be trump and theres going to be two viable nontrumps and each of them, cruz and rubio trying to be the top viable nontrump. I think that is going on. I think cruz sorry, rubio is trying very hard to paint ted cruz as someone who simply isnt trustworthy. He doesnt tell you the truth. I think thats whats going on there. Dickerson thats the bigger message what hes doing. David, when you look at this, seems like what happened is marco rubio how has to own his sponsorship of the gang of eight. Dan said, ted cruz has gone from whatever reason flirting with the idea of legalization, he says it was strategic move he was doing it at the time, rare corubio said it showed his through intent, his view now, cruz no pass to anybody no how for anybody illegal. Which of those positions would do better in the general election context . Obviously, the more severe position you take against Immigration Reform the more difficult it is. We saw mitt romney struggled with this in 2012. Ended up with 27 of the hispanic vote which was really tripling for him. George w. Bush, the last republican to win 14 with w4 4 becoming more diverse country with each election. The interesting thing between fight, rubio clearly trying to obviate what he sees as vulnerability. I think its larger than the issue itself. Notice cruz always calls it the rubio bill. It was the notion that he was police with it democrats the face of the republican part tired of republicans being police with it democrats. Theyre frustrated they wanted more purity. Ted cruz played to that. Ted cruz understands where his base s. Marco rubio tried to please every faction of the Republican Party. May just end up as everybodys second choice. Dickerson jeffrey, the ad that ted cruz is running if you can get a picture of schumer and rubio in the same frame makes the pointed that david is making. Where as the rubio case against cruz is one that is more you have to follow what he used to say. Right. Going to peggys point its about trustworthiness. If marco rubio can convince some of the Republican Base that ted cruz no different than the washington politicians he claims to hate more than anyone else in the race, then rubio feels that hes getting somewhere. But i would go back this is the worry if youre a rubio just to add on to something david was saying. The worry that youre rubio that youre everyone fallback date. He can be extraordinarily popular coming second or third everywhere. I think that is my sense talking to people over the last week is that the Rubio Campaign now seized by this concern. Dickerson what is rubios path . I spent some time this week talking to folks in iowa they thought, its not happening here, at the time cruz is on the rise they want to find a path for marco rubio. It is hard to find. Iowa is not his best state by far. New hampshire is a muddle right now. Donald trump stands above everybody else but that stage is in flux, you can see from the new polling numbers that you all have this morning. How much dynamism there is in that race. South carolina doesnt look particularly good for rubio. There some are rubio people who think it ultimately could be. Leaves with you nevada. As weve talked before of the first four states nevada is the fifth. In importance, it just doesnt have the kind of weight that the other three have. He has to figure out a way to be high up in all of those states and hope that thats enough to keep him moving. Dickerson that goes back to your point about a nontrump candidate. The way people were talking if they put trump and cruz in the same basket theyre looking for mainstream candidate hoping that rubio would come out not being that. He didnt, the field is split there are several nontrump candidates. Theres the sense that cruz is on the upelateo and cruz on the downe, thereator. The republicans are making a mistake on. The cumulative a neglect of what they say at their debates. I love it that theyre fighting and hitting each other over the head and occasionally addressing serious issues in a serious way. But the cumulative effect of these sort of harshness and even unlovingness of their rhetoric on immigration is going to, in the end, hurt them. I also think sort of severity and drama of their language on isis makes them look radical, you know what i mean, as opposed to people not panicy, jeffrey, but extreme. Do you know what i mean . Belligerence to the yes, but that is the you dont have to be belligerent. Start talking about carpet bombing whole cities. And stuff like that you can be very strong, very definitive, very seriousness. But might use this harsh, severe, over the top rhetoric. Misunderstanding their own base, i think. Reality, though, is jeffs written about this, there are no easy answers to the situation that we face. And so the substitute for a coherent answer is, lets be as strong, because i think people are tired of the complexity of the situation. And theyre responding to strength and thats how transsupplies the kind of language that youre talking about. They do want strength they dont want bragadochio. I dont disagree with you. They seem to want that. What is donald trump giving them but bragadochio, whatever he says he maintains his numbers. 62 in the debate. Almost talking about shoot down russian planes. We for countries, lets remember that theres a primary electorate then theres a general election. I agree with you in the general election that kind of rhetoric can be crippling but in the primary and given sort of red hot nature of the Republican Base you get the affect that you see with trump. Where people are responding. He is the antiobama. I always believe that the incumbent sets the term of the debate. People never choose replica of what they have particularly the other party. Theres no one more anti think sis to barack obama than donald trump. Dickerson give us your read on stick on republican side, Foreign Policy credit kick. There were some proposals where you said that is a distinction from the president that represents clear break envision that people can rally behind . The guy with the most original concept is polling at zero, lindsey graham. Who talks about ground troops. The thing that is really noticeable, obviously, Republican Debate has this unreal quality to it. Because theyre taking as if president obama is not doing the things hes doing theyre talking about again we talked about this in the past. Theres this kind of pick one from column a and one from column b. Everyone has their idea that no fly zone, sunni army materializing out of no where. And these are all things that president obama is trying to some degree not the safe zone or the no fly zone but theyre proposing tactics and theyre suggesting that a war is not actually taking place already. Nothing very original that im hearing from most of these republican candidates, thats the simple truth of it. Dickerson well be right back with more from our panel. Dickerson jeffrey, i want to stick on republican side. Donald trump got praise from vladimir put tip which he seemed to like. Yes, he d. Ive been thinking abut this all week. I cant recall similar experience which leading candidate or one. Major parties is praising receiving praise from a former kgb, hes a former kgb official who is despot running adversarial country. And trumps approach this this, his pleasure of this seems without precedent. I thought, okay this is the moment when Republican Base, which is proamerica and antirussia, might say, hmm, maybe this guy is off his rocker. I dont know. But it seems as if were just gliding right past this crossed line. The whole point of his campaign seems to be to cross lines. I cant remember not since world war ii have felt so warmly about candidate feel so warmly about russian leader. Dickerson george w. Bush said he looked into his soul saw that not greatest moment in george w. Bushs doesnt agree with that. Trump, you say that you think hes crossed the line maybe people say off his rocker they have had ample opportunity to make this judgment along the way and they rejected it. He seems to be at least with his base impervious to that, the question is one thing to be bigoted against members cans, but i understand in the politics of the immigration debate. To talk about adversary as someone worthy of praise and worthy of receiving praise. He seems to enjoy flattering. I was going to say theres a curious quality about him. We think of hip as the insultnd candidate when somebody or something is nice to him, whether its a new poll or Vladimir Putin he embraces that. And he gives it back. So nature of his personality he seeks to be liked. What they have done thats the argument. Dickerson the conversation about strength above all he said hes strong and hes leader. When challenged on this, told Vladimir Putin kills journalists he says america kills people, too. Yes, that was an unusual not totally sure what it meant what he was referring to. Dickerson he means in wars, america kills people and so he was drawing equivalent there. Im not sure what he meant. But i think part of the putintrump story is that people understand that putin loves to make mischief. He has a mischievous side. I think a number of people interpreted putins praise of trump to be an implicit criticism of obama, who he has been asked about in the past and who he has damned with praise. This is showing, i dont like obama, i like even this guy better. I think a number of people thought a little bit like that. Dickerson david, donald trump also accepting praise and theres in one relationship with ted cruz that are close in iowa, who what do you make but in the debate in particular they chose to be allies. What do you make of that . I was kind of surprised by that, i thought that trump i think cruz is a real threat to trump. You can see it in his iowa numbers, cruz said some unkind thing about trump in private. He was asked about it. Trump had the opportunity to do what rubio trying to do say, you know what, thats what politicians in washington d. They say one thing in a room, to their donors and another thing in public, he said i dont play that game. I tell you what i think. Ted, you should speak up here and say to me what you said to those donors in the room. But going to dans point, hes never really confronted people in that way unless someone attacks him. Dickerson right cruz figured that out. As he said in that room hes hugging him because that trump wont turn his guns on him. Dickerson what do you make, dan, of bushs decision to go after trump pretty much every time he speaks now hes got a shot at trump. Is this going to work for him . I dont know if its going to work, john. Hes got so many other problems as polling indicates, as weve known for many months. That i dont know whether this will move him into a really Competitive Position but hes clearly been liberated in some way as he suggested to you to really

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