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a printing press company in an industrial complex. and it's possible they may have a hostage. we're hearing -- french officials refused to confirm about that hostage situation, but we gather that they have been in contact with the brothers and that the brothers are not talking. helicopters have been hovering over the industrial area where the two suspects are holed up. the two suspects pressures said and cherif kouachi. reports say at least one person is being held hostage on a business on an industrial state. it's a small printing press, one local man said. it's been surrounded. there's no place to hide. they can't get out. police are now trying to negotiate a peaceful end to the standoff. but one french media report says that the men have said they want to die as martyrs. french radio actually spoke to one man who said he interacted with one of the suspects in that industry complex. he said that one of the suspects shook his hand and said to him don't worry, we don't kill civilians. gayle. >> doesn't sound very comforting though. thank you, clarissa. another siege is under way at a kosher grocery market. elaine cobb is at the scene in eastern paris. >> reporter: as you can see behind me the entire area has been cordoned off by heavily armed riot police and they've been extending that cordon as the standoff continues. an eyewitness told french radio he saw an armed man walk into a kosher supermarket just up the road behind me. and the man started firing. we're hearing there are five or six people inside being held hostage. now, police have issued photos of the man they say carried out the shooting yesterday in a southern paris suburb of a policewoman who died after that shooting and reports are that amedy couibaly who is 32 years old, is the man inside this supermarket, also responsible for this standoff. radio reports say he's threatening to kill the hostages and that he's also demanded the police leave the kouachi brothers alone. the brothers who are holed up northeast of paris. back to you in new york. >> elaine thanks. french police face a huge challenge with both of these situations. bob orr is in washington. bob, good morning. just two quick things. number one is when you have hostages and suspects surrounded, it is the moment of what might happen but beyond that what is the cutting edge of this story as we look at it now? >> well the first thing for french authorities, they have to contain both of these threats. they have to make sure they don't go beyond the the locations where they are. there's police cordons around both locations. you have to think for the moment this threat or these two threats are contained. then it's the matter of trying to end these stand yochs peacefully. that could be very tough. these are hard-core guys. they all have some connectivity to al qaeda types in the past. who said that the kouachi brothers, for example, have been trained to die in place if they have to but to try to live to fight another day if they can. the idea they might give up seems to be farfetched. they'd rather perhaps go out in a blaze of glory and seek that martyrdom they talked about. the other situation in paris at the supermarket is even more tense. it's a crowded area. more congested. you have to worry about outside collateral damage. so these are difficult situations for the french. and then beyond that they have to worry about what else might be out there in the pipeline. >> and what can you tell us bob, about the connection between the two incidents? >> we, we know there's some connectivity. the man holding the hostages in the supermarket is believed be the same suspect who killed a policewoman yesterday. he's also an associate of cherif kouachi. and they were involved in a smuggling ring so to speak. we don't know whether these incidents are being orchestrated by some higher power. or did the man in the supermarket act out after he saw what happened at charlie. so there's connectivity but it's not possible to say this is a directed attack by a higher group. >> what do you think u.s. counterterrorism officials are most worried about? >> they're worried about this happening here. because what's happening in france involves people who are true bloov erelievers, who have training, and they're hitting soft targets, very difficult to defend. we have to be honest. this could happen here. despite all the the good defenses. you can't be every place at the same time and surveil everyone who's a potential threat. that's at the top of their radar. >> they have to know that al qaeda in the arab peninsula have tried before to attack american targets and that seems to be one of their marching orders. >> they vowed to do it again, charlie, when and where they can. that's the external plotting node for al qaeda. they're trying to attack targets in the west. they've come after us with the underwear bomb the printer cartridge bomb. this attack it has some connections to al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, was dreadfully successful from their standpoint. they're out there, they're an avowed enemy and it's the principal threat the u.s. faces now. >> we have connection between one of the brothers said and yemen. >> yes, he was in yemen in 2011. he was there training with aqap. and he was there at the same time that anwar al awlaki was there as the external operations planner for the al qaeda node in yemen. a guy who had at least some training if not direct orders from aqap. this was not the only person to travel to yemen to get training charlie. >> thanks, bob. >> all right bob, thank you. we have new information this morning from witnesses of wednesday's attack on the french magazine charlie hebdo. elizabeth palmer is in paris with that part of the story. >> reporter: on what's become a nightmare day for the security services, once again, the top politicians, the top intelligence officials and the police commanders are all currently in another crisis meeting here in the french capital. president francois hollande acknowledged that france is in shock, he said, because the perpetrators have not yet been arrested. the massacre at "charlie hebdo" on wednesday left the office in chaos. papers spilled everywhere, splashed with the blood of the dead and the injured. the killings, along with chilling images caught on video of two masked gunmen firing assault rifles on a quiet paris street, have traumatized this country. especially those who witnessed it firsthand, like the journalists from a neighboring office who escaped to the roof. was their boss who led them to safety out the window. >> when we started to go there, we heard the shooting in the building. it was -- >> reporter: france's muslim population, the largest in europe, hasn't always had the smoothest relationship with the mainstream here. there have been sporadic outbreaks of violence. the pile of flowers continues to grow on the spot where the policeman ahmed marabat was so cruely executed on wednesday. he was himself a muslim. >> we kept hearing the shooting. it was maybe i don't know five or ten minutes. but for us it was like an eternity. so it was very scary, of course. but we kind didn't realize yesterday that there was really a massacre. >> reporter: in a remarkable act of courage and defiance the remaining staff, the survivors from the magazine charlie hebdo got back to work this morning. they were escorted by police into new premises inside the offices the paris newspaper. they say they're going to publish as usual next week. back to you in new york. >> amazing to hear that at this time. >> about 1 million copies they may publish when they come out with the next edition. >> they have to definitely up the print run. the eiffel tower put out its famous lights to mourn the victims. in washington president obama visited the french embassy to sign a book of condolences. he wrote, quote, terrorism is no match for freedom. we'll continue to follow the drama in paris. you can also follow the coverage on our 24-hour digital network cbsn at cbsnews.com. there's a breakthrough in the search for air asia black boxes. after hearing them for the first time yesterday. divers found the tail section of the plane early this week in the java sea. the flight recorders could help investigators find out what caused the crash last month. president obama will announce a plan this morning for a free community college. the goal is to make a college education more accessible. the propose pal is a preview of this month's state of the union. it would use a combination of funding to cover the first two years of costs for many students. bill plante is at the white house with the plan. >> reporter: good morning. the president unveils this today in tennessee where the state is already committed to the idea. to do this nationally would take legislation and that would have to come from the republican-led congress, which the white house knows is a pretty high hurdle. but the president is pitching the idea as a pathway to a college education. >> put simply, what i'd like to do is see the first two years of community college free for everybody who's willing to work for it. >> reporter: the white house is hoping to ease the cost of the financial burden on students. the proposal would wave the first two full years of tuition for full-time and halftime students who maintain at least a 2.5 grade point average. the department of labor says people with a two-year degree earn about $20,000 more per year than those with only a high school diploma. almost 90% of tennessee high school seniors have apply to a new program called tennessee promise which would cover tuition for those applying to community or tech colleges. one of the requirements eight hours of community service before classes begin. >> tennessee will be the very first state in the country to make that guarantee to its people. >> reporter: tennessee's republican governor bill haslem says the state will use an estimated $34 million a year from federal aid and lottery sales to pay for it. the white house proposal says that federal funding will cover three quarters of the average cost for students. and that states will pick up the rest of the tab. >> it's something that we'll accomplish and it's something that will train our workforce so we can compete with anybody in the world. >> reporter: by the way, that video of the president was made aboard air force one as he was returning yesterday from phoenix, arizona. he announced the plan to preview his state of the union message. it's designed a proposed alternative to the return of the republican-controlled congress but they're not saying how much this would cost. gayle. >> all right, that is the question. this morning, honda has agreed to pay a record $70 million in fines and that is the largest civil penalty ever faced by an automaker. over the past 11 years, federal regulators say that honda failed to report more than 1,700 injuries and death. the government uses that data as an early warning system to determine if the recalls are even necessary. honda blames computer glitches and training problems. we're learning more this morning about the 96-page report into how the nfl handled the ray rice controversy. former fbi director robert mueller looked into what top officials knew and when. the report shows no evidence that the nfl had or saw the in-elevator video before it was public publicly shown. we had asked commissioner roger goodell in september about that video. so did anyone in the nfl see this second videotape before monday? >> no. >> no one in the nfl? >> no one in the nfl to my knowledge. and i've been asked the same question. the answer to that is no. >> goodell says the nfl will now focus on leading positive change on issues of domestic violence. bill cosby wraps up a their-night tour in ontario, canada, tonight. the comedian was heckled. s could mi. cosby may have crossed a line with one of his ad-libs. vinita, good morning. >> good morning. bill cosby returned to the stage to resume his normal act. last night a heckler made sure that was not the case. >> you are a rapist. >> no no stop. >> reporter: amateur video from inside the toronto theater caught the moment a heckler interrupted bill cosby's moment. >> that's right. no clapping, nothing, that's all right. >> reporter: cosby pleaded with the audience to stay quiet while the man was removed by security. before that incident the comedian discussed the rape allegations against him with a questionable joke. accord to tweets from several reporters inside the venue, a woman got up to get a drink and he told her, quote, you have to be careful drinking around me. reporter also said this was met with a loud applause and was construed by many to be a reference to the allegations made by numerous women who claimed cosby drugged and sexually assaulted them. just this week three more women added their names to that list. bill cosby received a warm reception inside. outside protesters gathered in frigid temperatures for a second straight night to remind cosby supporters of the allegations against him. >> we reached out to the cosby camp for a remark and didn't receive a response. but saying 26 million fans enjoyed the most wonderful medicine that can exist for human kind laughter. i am far from finished. >> a lot of people aren't getting the joke and certainly want to hear from him. if the summer olympics come to america in 2024 they will be held in boston, massachusetts. u.s. olympic committee chose them over los angeles and san francisco to bid against other nations for the games. the statement says the president and first lady extend their congratulations to the city of boston on its nomination. the city has taught all of us what it means to be boston strong. >> congratulations. to our friends in boston. it's 7:19. ahead, the very latest on the two hostage situations in and around paris. we'll bring you updates from our team in the french 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make sleep train your ticket to tempur-pedic. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ there are slowdowns from crashes including on the eastshore freeway. that accident in richmond is long since cleared to the shoulder but it's still sluggish from pinole and if you are heading to the dumbarton bridge, watch out for a traffic jam. there was an accidents involving up to five cars at the toll plaza. and it's still slow from 880 even though all lanes are now back open. bay bridge here's our "friday light" bright spot. it's minimal traffic right now. it's backed up to the overcrossing just in the busiest lanes and once you get on the bridge everything looks great, but the metering lights remain on. that's "kcbs traffic." here's roberta. i think this is the really pretty picture. looks like we have a hole in the clouds this morning as we take a bird's-eye view towards the bay bridge. see it right there? what you also see is partly to mostly cloudy skies today also some haze. and as a result, we have another "spare the air" day. oh, it is mild. 40s and 50s climbing to highs today. 50s and 60s a couple of degrees above average. the extended forecast calls for sprinkles sunday, otherwise nothing bu this is the scene in eastern paris. a gunman and his girlfriend holding at least five hostages in a market. the man is suspected of killing a policewoman on thursday. he's also connected to two brothers surrounded right now near paris charles de gaulle airport. those men are the main suspects in wednesday's terror attack that killed five people at a satirical magazine. let's go back to clarice that ward in danmartin-en-goele who's been following that standoff all morning. >> reporter: good morning. this operation has now been going on for around six hours. police have really locked down that entire village. they've cut off all the main arteries leading into it. they've pushed journalists back to the outskirts because it's an ongoing operation. we know those men are dangerous. and it's thought that they are also heavily armed. now, here's what we know exactly. at about 9:00 a.m. this morning, the two kouachi brothers reportedly car jacked a gray pergot from a woman. she said she recognized the men. there were then reports of very heavy gunfire following that. then it's reported the two brothers went into this printing press company in an industrial complex in danmartin. we are hearing there is one hostage but that report has not been confirmed so far. authorities will not say whether there's a hostage. authorities had said that while contact has been made with the two brothers the two brothers reportedly are not yet interested in talking. back to you in new york. >> clarissa, i know u.s. counterterrorism officials have told cbs news they don't expect these two brothers to give up. how much police presence is there on the scene? >> it's very difficult to give you a sense of the scale of the police presence just from one live shot. i can tell you, you know, throughout this entire region i have never seen so many police. there are heavily armed assault police wearing heavy machine guns, all over. they've cut off almost every single highway exit leading up to around this year. there were roadblocks. late at night they're going door to door looking in every hiding place. they asked one man whose house you visited, do you have any caves nearby. really, they were looking at every single option as to where these two men might have turned up. now of course we know they turned up here in danmartin. currently holed up in that industrial complex. >> what can you tell us about that area and any idea why they chose that printing press? >> it's really difficult to say, but i'm guessing a lot of this is just improvised and the way things happened and the way things shook out. we're not far outside paris here. it's a rural area but it's very close to the capital. we're very close to the international airport. two runways of that major international airport have been shut for hours now because of this ongoing situation. and the mood here on the ground gayle, is one of shock. people can't believe this is happening in france. while they're frightened i would also say they're pretty calm. >> all right clarissa thank you. we're going to check back in with you as developments warrant. right now, we want to show you some of this morning's other headlines. the telegraph says the head of the mi-5 britain's security agency warns al qaeda is plotting a terror attack against the united kingdom. saying three plots have been foiled but eventually one will succeed. he warned british jihadists are planning attacks that include blowing up a passenger jet. "the new york times" says 204 was the best year for job growth since the recession began eight years ago. the labor department says american employees added 252,000 jobs in december. the unemployment rate dropped to 5.6%. that is the lowest level in six years. economists predict the economy will continue growing this year. >> the los angeles "times" says california senator boxer will retire after next year. the democrat was first elected in 1992. prior to that she served ten years in the house. 74-year-old boxer says i want to come home to the state that i love so much. president obama calls her more than a senator. he says she's an institution. "the wall street journal" says macy's plans a major restructuring. layoffs will hit about 2,000 workers. the retailer wants to strengthen its e-commerce presence as more shoppers go online. it will consider off-price retailing similar to tj maxx. a connecticut teenager is blasting the state's highest court this morning after it ruled she must undergo chemotherapy for cancer. the 17-year-old, known to the public as cassandra, wrote in the hartford courant, this experience has been a nightmare. i want the right to make my medical decisions. it's disgusting that i'm fighting for a right that i and anyone in my situation should already have. cassandra also wrote, how long is a person actually supposed to live and why? i care about the quality my life not just the quantity. >> she says chemotherapy is poison but the court ruled as a legal minor she could not refuse it. her mother jackie fortin says her due oughtaughter ought to have the final say. >> i'm going to keep on fighting for her because i know this is her decision and i know she's old enough mature enough. if she wasn't i'd be making that decision. >> what decision would you make? >> my decision would probably be the same. i don't believe in chemicals. i don't believe in toxins. i would find a treatment for her to make sure she lives. >> doctors say sass cancassandra's likely to die without chemotherapy. cbs legal analyst rikki klieman is with us. good morning. >> good morning. >> what are the key factors in the ruling? >> what happened in this court in connecticut is they look at what happened in the trial court. they said, wait, we don't have to deal with the issue of the mature minor doctrine -- let me explain that in a second -- and see if it applies here because clearly this child did not show us in the trial court that she was mature at all. what is the mature child doctrine? at the age of 18 a child is emancipated and can make their own decisions about their bodies and medical care. this child is 17. so the only way that she might have been permitted to make her own decision is if she could show the trial court that she has the judgment the experience, the maturity the discretion to be able to act and speak about her own body as an adult. she didn't show that. the court said, look, we're not going to let her kill herself, which is what would happen if she refused the chemotherapy. >> i don't want to bash anybody's parenting skills but help me understand the role of the mother here. i just think as a parent, if you have medical evidence that shows this cancer is highly treatable, why would you not -- why would you allow your daughter to make this decision? what are you hearing about the role the mother is playing? >> well the mother clearly loves her child very, very much. the state has decided she was really neglectful by not going forward to help her child get this medical care. this is a child who has really been living with this mother in essence, as a single parent since the divorce. the mother has home schooled the child. the mother or the daughter may be the person who is at the forefront of this decision that chemotherapy is poison. nonetheless we know that children look for cues and clues from their parents, that they want to please their parents. mom says it's my child cassandra's decision. you have to believe that the mother of course had influence. why do we know that? factually, we know that. the mother did not want to get the diagnosis. once she got the diagnosis, she didn't believe the diagnosis. then she didn't take the child to appointments. finally, at some point during a biopsy she stopped the biopsy. >> okay. quickly we know through dr. agus this cancer is treatable. there's no alternative. it's one that can save your life. if this were a different type of decease, where the treatment options were different, do you think the court decision would have been different? 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>> good morning. norah, that operation now entering into its eighth hour. and as you could hear in that video, it does appear to be escalating. rapid gunfire. we're seeing smoke, or there's images of smoke billowing above that industrial complex. it's not clear exactly what's happening on the ground because police here have been very tight-lipped. they've pushed journalists onto the end of the town. this is an ongoing operation and it's a dangerous situation. we know that the two brothers are holed up in a printing press company in that industrial complex. and they are believed although it has not been confirmed by authorities, they are believed to have at least one hostage with them. so now people are waiting to see what this latest escalation what that rapid gunfire and those plumes of smoke that you saw there, what that means, whether this situation is any closer to being resolved. we know as well that they have evacuated schools in the area. that they have told people to remain in their homes. and you can see, and hear from that gunfire, why they have told people to do just that. >> and we also know clarissa you've been reporting, that the police have been in contact with the brothers and they've made it clear they do not plan to be taken alive, that they want to be martyrs. is that true? >> well what we've heard from french authorities, gayle is that they made contact. they initiated contact but the brothers said they weren't interested in talking. then we heard other media reports with the brothers saying that they wanted to become martyrs. this is you know pretty sfard for these types of terrorist operations. normally these kind of extremists don't expect to come out of these operations alive. they're so-called martyrdom operations. part of the reason they're doing this is because they believe it will take them to paradise. >> we have no idea what precipitated this? >> we have no idea. police have locked off that village. they've told people to stay in their homes. they've evacuated schools. they've pushed journalists out here onto the outskirts and they are not giving out any information. all we know is that there has clearly been an escalation in the industrial complex smoke billowing over that complex. rapid gunfire being heard. and now we're waiting to see whether that may be an indication that this situation is any closer to being resolved. >> can you see any movement of people? >> from my vantage point we can't see any movement of people. what we can see, there's a police vehicle over there. it's been there all day trying to keep traffic back trying to keep journalists back. there are a lot of journalists over here. a lot of satellite trucks. everybody essentially here in the same position. desperately trying to get a better sense of what is going on on the ground, without getting under foot and interfering in what is clearly a very dangerous and fluid operation. >> all right, clarissa. stand by. we want to play that tape again of the gunfire we just heard. [ gunfire ] now let's bring in bob orr in washington. bob, good morning. that's a great deal of gunfire. obviously authorities appear to have moved in on these two suspects. what do you think might be happening? >> well it's anybody's guess, norah. clearly there's a lot of gunfire. we know the suspects when they made the attack on charlie had automatic weapons. so the gunfire could be coming from the suspects themselves. it could be coming from the huge police cordon around that facility. and it may, as clarissa said may or may not signal that this is moving to some kind of end game. the question here for authorities, i think, has to be in terms of urgency, what impact will this have on the situation going on at the paris supermarket where the other hostage taker has threatened to kill the hostages unless those two brothers holed up in this warehouse are allowed to go free? if that hostage taker in the paris supermarket has access to communications the internet or television radio, whatever and is aware of this thing kind of deteriorating to his north, it could precipitation action down there. so i think the french authorities were approaching this cautiously. they did everything by the book as far as we could tell in terms of securing the scene, isolating the gunmen best they could. and then trying to open channels of communication. but this could be a sign that either the communication broke down or the situation started to deteriorate in such a way that the police were forced to move. but we don't want to speculate because right now there is no information that i know of that u.s. officials are getting directly from the scene there. >> bob, stay with us. clarissa if you can still hear me has all the gunfire stopped? is there no longer any gunfire? >> we have heard another burst of gunfire. now you can see a helicopter just flying overhead. lights flashing. there were some bursts of gunfire there. it's very difficult to have a good sense of what exactly is going on but clearly a serious escalation in the last 15 20 minutes. some seven hours into this operation, as you heard and saw on those images. heavy bursts of heavy automatic weaponry. we know as bob orr mentioned, that those two brothers were heavily armed with automatic machine guns. and now we are waiting to hear some news of what this escalation means. whether there is any resolution pending, or whether this is still ongoing. >> to confirm what you've already said we do not know if there are any hostages inside? >> what we -- we believe, through multiple reports, that there is one hostage inside. an employee. but we cannot confirm that yet, because french officials have absolutely refused to comment on whether or not this is a hostage situation. but earlier on we heard an interview with a man who had an appointment at the printing company that is currently under siege, and he said that he interacted not just with the suspects but with the man who runs the company which would appear to indicate that he was in the building. now he may have escaped. we don't know the details yet. but certainly the situation is clearly escalating. >> bob, we have these two hostage situations going on right now in france. where clarissa is reporting, and another area outside paris where that kosher market where there is a gunman there held up there. describe this is not only a situation for france but you must have other world leaders watching this situation very concerned and certainly u.s. intelligence officials watching this very closely concerned about security here in america. >> everybody's watching this and everybody has the right to be concerned. because this is very unsettling to see in france what appears to be now a series of attacks that at least are loosely connected, if not orchestrated. just so people understand what we're talking about. the hostage taking at the supermarket that you referenced norah, is being conducted by a man who we know has past associations with the younger brother of the kouachi brothers who are holed up in that printing area there in the warehouse. so the man at the supermarket knows that the brothers are under siege, because as one of his demands, he reportedly has said let them go. he's telling the police leave them alone, let them go or i will kill the hostages. so the big question here is how much does this connection -- how far does it go? are there other plots in the pipeline? is there some kind of bigger authority? some kind of puppet master or commanding presence calling the shots here? or are these two things being carried out separately by people who knew each other who were kind of motivated maybe by one another. clearly as this situation seems to be deteriorating to the north of downtown paris, that does raise questions about how patient the police can be at the other location. >> thank you, bob. stand by. we will certainly come back to you. cbs news national security analyst juan zarate is also in washington. what can you add to this conversation? maybe tell us something about the two brothers? >> well gayle, i think one of the things that authorities have to be worried about at the site is the fact that you have these two brothers who obviously were trained or coordinating well armed and at a site that may be complicated. that may have many rooms, may have sort of contours that look more like a labyrinth versus a one-room store. they're going to have to be very cautious about how they go in. these individuals are probably preparing for a fight. probably preparing to go out, perhaps in a blaze of glory, and so this is a very delicate situation. obviously we don't know more given what's happening now. but, this is really a dangerous situation, and as bob indicated, french authorities are going to have to now calculate what happens at the supermarket. because, to the extent that they've decided they needed to act at the warehouse and at the printing shop they're now going to have to determine whether or not it's a moment to act in the kosher supermarket. so this is a very fluid environment. where authorities are going to be worried about loss of life. and trying to ensure obviously, that this doesn't escalate and there isn't further destruction. >> let me make sure whether i understand whether there's been any communication from the man inside the supermarket with respect to what's going on here? and whether he has made any response to the circumstances that are happening with the two brothers. >> well we've heard reporting, charlie, that he has asked for the two to be released. now, the reporting is fluid here and what's not clear is how much communication he's had not only with authorities, but perhaps with the outside world. how much information he may be getting from the media or even the internet whether or not he has a smartphone on him. so i think this is an important question for authorities. authorities have probably been trying to control the information environment around both sites. you've seen that physically. they've probably tried to do that technologically. and with communications as well. and they've probably tried to isolate these two incidents. but at this point, given what we're seeing dynamically on the ground authorities now have to make a decision with respect to what's happening near the supermarket as to whether or not to go in more aggressively. >> all right. juan stand by. because we are following these twin hostage situations in france and this rapid gunfire, and smoke that has appeared where these two brothers are holed up. we have for you now some new videotape that just came in of a reporter who was standing nearby when this gunfire erupted. watch. [ speaking french ] >> of course there you can see he is reacting to that gunfire there, which suggests that something is going on. we have heard from u.s. counterterrorism officials who've told our own pat milton that officials do not expect these brothers to give up. that the feeling is that they want to go out in a blaze of glory. or escape to fight another day. there is also this second standoff situation at a kosher food market that is less than 20 miles away. we're all interested in what the connection is. whether there's communication between these individuals. that gunman there has threatened to kill his hostages if police attacked the "charlie hebdo" suspects. liz palmer is at the scene at the market standoff. liz, good morning. anything happen there in the last several minutes? >> i'm standing -- good morning. i'm standing about 200 yards away -- oh, we just heard a large explosion. i'm not sure if you heard that. i'm standing as i said about 200 yards away from this kosher mini market essentially. another explosion. perhaps a stun grenade. and another. a colleague of ours -- and another. a colleague of ours is a block away and a few minutes ago she was told to stay in the bakery where she happened to be. the police said don't move. it's possible that they are moving in. the police are saying there were five hostages inside the store, with this armed man. and at least one of them was a child, and probably two women. we did see a stretcher being wheeled across the top of the road behind me. but the police have pushed everybody back for security reasons. obviously. they've named the suspect inside he's said to have got a kalashnikov and also a handgun. he is amedi coulibaly, 32 years old, a french citizen. they've released a mug shot of him. he's not the only suspect. his girlfriend has also been named as well hayat boumediene. they are presumed to be suspects in this hostage taking and also in the murder of a policewoman yesterday. here shouting behind me i'm just going to turn around i think it's a journalist signaling to one of his colleagues at the top of the road. and one more explosion. as soon as we find out what that signifies we'll get back to you. and some rapid fire now we're hearing at the top of the road just out-of-sight at the kosher grocery store. back to you in new york. >> liz, this is charlie rose. it sounds like that you're saying it's within a block or so that you can hear what that decibel measurement? >> yes, indeed. about 200 yards, round the corner behind me so now we've heard five explosions possibly stun grenades and also some gunfire. it's gone quiet again now. but, the -- there's a very very heightened security alert in paris. we know that the police have asked other jewish kosher grocery stores across the city to close their doors. now normally they'd be busy because this is the eve of the sabbath but they've all had to shut up shop. everybody, of course waiting to see how this situation resolves itself. five hostages we hear inside at least five and a man armed with a kalashnikov and a handgun, possibly even more weapons. >> this is a significant development. because as we're watching these twin hostage situations we've had gunfire at both of them in the last couple of minutes. which might suggest that either the police have decided to move in at the same time and try and contain these two situations. bob orr is with us. what do you make of the significance of that? there appears to be an escalation at both locations? >> i think you're right, norah. it seems to me this is coordinated. it's not clear at all whether the hostage taker and the brothers had communication but it's clear the police did. so i think it's far more than a coincidence that we're seeing a lot of activity at both sites simultaneous. in watching the pictures i've been trying to determine what we could tell from the police kind of posture. and it appears to me if i'm looking at it correctly, in the last few minutes it's relaxed a little bit outside that grocery and they've started to move like rescue vehicles in there. so that might be a sign and i just don't want to emphasize we don't know this that might be a sign that this has reached some kind of climax, at least there. that said we don't know at this point whether either of these situations is contained, or whether either of the standoffs is over. and the bigger point is intelligence authorities are still searching through every bit of data they can find to find out if there is something else that could be in the offing. some other part of this if it is a larger plot. >> i think that is still an open question. >> it's a small point but as i remember when they were coming out of the magazine that one of them said something to the effect tell the media that this is al qaeda in yemen. >> no. and i think that was an important clue charlie. i have to say at first that was kind of ridiculed by counterterrorism officials who thought that that was just braggadocio by these gunmen but we've come to find out that at least one of the brothers said kouachi, the older brother, trained in yemen in 2011 and had very substantial links, i'm told with al qaeda in yemen or al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. then beyond that the younger brother also has a lot of tentacles reaching out to various radical islamist and al qaeda types in europe. so these were connected guys. we don't know whether they were being directed by a larger terror group but they're clearly acting in the name of radical islam. >> we do not know, you help me understand this and make it clear to me we do not know if the explosion we're hearing outside the kosher deli is connected to the kosher kelly or is happening at some other space nearby? >> it's impossible to know. i mean in the one picture we just saw there we saw a flash could be a stun grenade. it could be you know the flash from automatic weapons fire. very hard to tell by looking at a picture. but i think as norah made the point, it's very significant. i don't think there's any other way to say it. it's very significant that we had this rash of activity all within a minute or two at these two separate locations. this was a coordinated response. obviously called by the high authorities in france. it seems to me. who must have judged the situations and thought that this was the better course of action rather than patient negotiation. >> bob how difficult is it for authorities when you're dealing with a situation with people who have hostages and who have apparently madeate clear they do not mind dying? >> that's just obviously very very difficult, gayle. when you're not afraid of dying and you're taking hostages it's almost like you're using the hostages for some kind of shield but you expect in the end either to be killed by the police kind of a suicide by cop scenario, or to be gunned down standing in a blaze of glory. it's almost untenable for the authorities. because what they try to do is they try to lower the temperature of these situations. they try to get in there, open lines of communication, try to find a negotiated peaceful solution. when you're talking to jihadists who view harderdom as part of the mission, part of their highest calling, then they're not interested in a peaceful resolution. and it may have become clear to the french that that's what they were up against here. but you got to remember innocent lives here were on the line. whatever decision was made and i want to emphasize we don't know yet what's happened at either location. whatever decision was made it had to be done with a great deal of care and caution. because there was the potential for collateral damage. >> all right, bob orr, stand by. this is a cbs news special report. as we are following in france twin hostage situations. there where gunfire has erupted. we have heard explosions french security forces have confronted these two situations. there is one situation that is about 30 miles northeast outside of paris. that is involving the two suspects in wednesday's rampage at the satirical newspaper. then of course we have this other situation, which is on the right-hand side of your screen. this is just on the eastern edge of the capital of paris. that is the kosher supermarket there, where there is at least one gunman and several hostages. elizabeth palmer said we just heard five explosions. these explosions and gunfire all happened within very short period of time of one another which might suggest that security moerss involved in at the same time to try to quell these two very difficult situations there, which may involve hostages according to some of the reporting that is out there. so -- >> but underline the fact that we do not know where the explosions are coming from and who's responsible for the explosions whether it's the police or somebody else. >> that's right. and you can see this is -- these are pictures live pictures right now. this is from just the eastern edge of the capital of paris. this is where this is the street that has many jewish shops. this is particularly in this situation, this is the kosher cafe where there's a hostage situation there. we want to go now to clarissa ward who has been on the scene for many hours in a different area that is 30 miles northeast of paris, where it is believed that authorities have those two brothers quarantined in that area and have tried to lock down that area. what's happening there, clarissa? >> that's right, nora. we've seen a real escalation in just the last 20 or 25 minutes. first of all there was a lot of heavy gunfire coming from that complex. smoke billowing overhead. and then we just saw a convoy of ambulances. about eight ambulances at least by my count, which came past here streaming in to that village, trying to get in there, presumably to ferry out some people who may be wounded. we have very little sense of exactly what's happening on the ground there, as charlie said. we don't know who is responsible for the gunfire, or who's responsible for the reported explosions that have been heard. but clearly the situation is escalating. and now people are all waiting to see whether the situation has been resolved whether it's ongoing. and what this means for any possible hostages who may be in that industrial complex. >> and also adding to the drama and the danger of the situation we heard reports that the gunman who is holding the hostages in the supermarket was demanding the release of the two brothers in the printing press. >> clarissa? i'm sorry gayle. there is an alleged connection that appears to be between the gunman and holding hostages and that supermarket in paris and between these two gunmen. they're believed to be part of this recruitment cell essentially that way back in 2005 was trying to recruit jihadis to go to iraq to fight american forces there. i don't know if you can hear i'm hearing another helicopter just flying overhead. we've been hearing quite a few elements in the last 10 15 minutes, particularly, as the operation here to try to neutralize the two kouachi brothers has escalated. >> all right, clarissa ward thank you. we want to go back and show you those live pictures just outside on the eastern edge of the capital of paris. because we just saw, look a number of ambulances have just pulled into the area just outside the market which would suggest, of course that those officials are on the scene there to look for anyone who has been wounded. so those health officials, and you can hear the ambulances pulling in there are some local reports from inside paris, people inside the site hearing police officers shouting on the ground. on the ground. police shouting they got him. they got him. so this is on some of the local television reports coming from outside of paris. now we want to take a quick look back at some of the explosions we heard at that site just a few minutes ago. and of course those were what elizabeth palmer reported were some five explosions at that kosher market that is just on the eastern edge of the capital of paris. elizabeth palmer is in paris. elizabeth, what have you heard? we've heard that there are lots of emergency vehicles at the market now. fire rescue vehicles ambulance, and of course the police. they are evacuating people from inside. we presume they're the hostages although we haven't had any confirmation of that, nor any confirmation that there have been further deaths or injuries or even whether the gunman has been taken alive. obviously the tension has eased here. i told you a few minutes ago about one of our colleagues who have been told by police to stay inside a bakery where she was. she's just arrived here. they're letting people out of their homes again in the area. which does seem to indicate that the emergency is over. but it's too early for us to know or to be able to tell you what exactly the upshot was. >> okay. let's go now to juan zarate because we have some information, i think, about where the explosions are coming from. juan? >> certainly given the visuals and what we're seeing and the posture of the french security officials, it suggests that this was part of a tactical entry. bob orr was mentioning this earlier, amassing at the entry point with windows there seems to suggest that they were in control of the explosions initially. so this may be stun grenades. and given the movement the relatively comfortable movement of that many security personnel seems to suggest some degree of a sense of control of that environment. which is sort of a key here. obviously they wanted to get the perpetrator and get innocent victims out unharmed. that is a key part of any tactical response. and it appears that that was what was happening at least based on what we've seen and heard. obviously nothing confirmed yet but it seems to suggest at least at that site that security officials decided to move tactically to try to control the environment. >> any evidence that the people on the ground from the french government or french police are communicating at all with american authorities outside? >> they certainly are. whether or not it's realtime vis-a-vis these operations -- >> that's what i mean. >> i doubt it highly charlie. they're focused on taking these perpetrators down securing these two sites. there's going to be constant communication back and forth about what the french are finding, if they have questions for the americans about any intelligence or new information or communications they're hearing, certainly that would be communicated back. but when you're talking about this kind of a tactical level event, the french are in control. they are great at counterterrorism on the ground. and they don't need to be checking with whether it's american british or other authorities. they're going to be sharing intelligence though to understand whether or not there's something more coming whether or not there are dormant networks or cells that they now have to be worried about, not just in paris but in other parts of france or perhaps other parts of europe or north america. >> are other news agents reporting things we have not yet confirmed? >> juan we have ambulances we see them now at the market the kosher market, does that suggest that these type of officials have arrived, that the situation may be easing? >> i think so. it's hard to know without having a map and a geography of the site itself. so there are potentially other entrances and other places where there could be points of danger. but, officials wouldn't be amassing more people and creating greater vulnerabilities if they didn't feel some degree of comfort with controlling the environment. we know historically with some of the jihadi groups that they like to have follow-on attacks and attack emt and ambulances and others that come to the rescue so the french know that. they're not going to put people in harm's way unnecessarily. so it seems to suggest that they at least feel comfortable based on the visuals we have with controlling the environment there, and trying to get people out safely. >> let me go now from juan zarate to elizabeth palmer. elizabeth what more do we know from where you are? >> the police have just confirmed that the hostage taker in the kosher grocery is dead. there are reports of as many as ten people having run out. we know that emergency services are there, including fire and ambulance. but it appears that the armed gunman who has been named as amedi coulibaly with known islamist links is dead. the police are also reporting that the two hostage takers up north, the two brothers have also been killed. the french media are reporting that in that instance too, the hostage, the single hostage, has been released alive. we'll bring you details as we get them. at the moment the police are being fairly close mouthed. but it does appear that in this instance anyway the armed man is dead. charlie? >> hmm. >> that's a significant development there. >> very important. and also the other reports that are coming in. but do the police know now that they know his name that the man who they have identified as being killed in the last few minutes, whether he had any contact, any knowledge of any identification with from their records to the two brothers who may either be alive or dead, we don't know yet? >> definitely. he was a friend of the younger brother. and they both had very -- very well-known links to a group of recruiters. based here in paris, back in the mid,000s, who were trying to get french men to go and fight u.s. forces in iraq. both the hostage taker here and the younger kouachi brother were arrested in connection with that ring. so they have been on the police radar here for at least eight years. the surveillance has been fairly extensive, but obviously in the last few days there were no warning signs that they were going to act. >> elizabeth palmer stand by. thank you for that reporting that the suspect there appears to be dead. we should note now that the associated press, as well as other numerous french agencies are reporting that the two brothers who were involved in the massacre at "charlie hebdo" are dead. that they have been killed in that explosion, and that gunfire that we saw earlier where clarissa ward has been reporting, that industrial town that is northeast of paris. clarissa ward is there. clarissa? >> that's right, norah. according to multiple french media organizations we're hearing reports now that those two kouachi brothers who were responsible for the deaths of 12 people on wednesday at the "charlie hebdo" magazine are now dead. we're still trying to confirm that for ourselves. but let's go back over what we know happened in the last half hour. we heard bursts of gunfire, heavy gunfire, there were some reports of explosions. images of smoke billowing above that industrial complex where the two brothers had hunkered down possibly with at least one hostage. then we saw and heard a bunch of helicopters, some of them medical helicopters. we saw a convey of ambulances sweeping in to the village possibly going to try to tend to any wounded. so far we don't know whether there have been any casualties but from french media reports, multiple reports, that we are hearing, it appears that this operation may be coming to an end. >> thank you, clarissa. let's go now to bob orr. >> charlie this strikes me as being a remarkably effective and efficient operation by the french security forces. if all the stories we're hearing and all the reports we're hearing are true that the hostages have been freed and the gunmen have all been taken down that's a remarkable bit of police work. it's been a very difficult situation over the last several hours because you had these two semi-linked -- i say semi-linked, at least partially linked hostage situations where you had the one man in the superintendent the picture we're looking at there threatening to kill the hostages if the other men holed up north of him were not freed. obviously somebody in the chain of command there made the calculation that this was not going to end peacefully that negotiations were not a real option that they had to move with tactical forces when they did. as we saw this play out it was almost textbook from what i could tell on the pictures. the two moves by the police special units happened within a minute or so of one another and the use of heavy weapons and overwhelming force seems to have carried the day there. we still have to find out whether all of the hostages were freed, whether anybody else may have been hurt in these situations. and as i mentioned before we also have to find out, and it's a key priority for the intelligence services in france and the u.s. and other places we also have to find out is this the end, whatever this was intended to be or are we still somewhere in the middle on the spectrum of some kind of larger planned assault? there's no evidence of that. but we have to make sure that we're not just seeing the opening chapter of something worse. >> bob, that's really a scary thought to think about whether this is an opening chapter or whether they have brought this whole thing to a close. we know on air force one that president obama was updated on the situation in and outside of paris. part of his presidential daily intelligence brief and that u.s. counterterrorism officials are in touch with french officials there. bob, do you expect that there will be some very close coordination on this, and there already are lots of discussions going on about whether this extends beyond paris? >> no doubt about it. everything the french authorities learn here everything the intelligence services there are able to glean from going through the backgrounds of these suspects will be shared across the board with the allies including the u.s. and likewise the u.s. has a pretty broad dossier on all of these guys as well. they were on the terror list. we believe the two brothers at least. it's a good bet the supermarket hostage taker also was a known quantity on the list. they were on the no-fly list. so there has been dialogue in the past back and forth about the activities of these people and certainly everyone has a vested interest here in learning what their connectivity might have been to outside groups. because as we've said a couple of times. i know it sounds overly dramatic and it's not what happened in france can happen in england, it can happen in the u.s. and there are only so many defenses you can put up. intelligence is the primary defense. >> so if you look that these two hostage situations may have come to a conclusion the thing the police in france worry most about is what's next. >> i think that's right. i think they have to run everything to ground. all the contacts all the backgrounds, go through all the communications that's been being done over the last couple of days to make sure that there's not something else that's out there in an imminent way that could present a danger either in france or some associated country. >> then how do you go about determining that? where do you even begin? >> well the intelligence services are working around the clock monitoring communications trying to pull threads using informants known quantities cooperators, all scouring for the same bits of information. is there anything we're missing here? anything we didn't see coming? it's clear that all of these guys all three of these hostage takers were known, to french counterterrorism forces yet they were able to act out. it makes the point you can't be everywhere and surveil every potential danger point. you have to manage the risk. so the main thing here is to find out what are the biggest and most immediate dangers and you have to mitigate those. and that is a very very difficult challenge for the intelligence folks. >> this is a cbs news special report. just as night falls in paris and in france it appears that both hostage situations are under control. several news agencies reporting that the hostage takers are, indeed dead at this hour. we're getting new video in at this hour from dammartin where is near charles de gaulle airport where the two brothers who carried out that massacre and killed 12 journalists at the satirical newspaper were holed up and have now been killed. take a look at this new video that just came in which appears to show the moment of attack when french authorities moved in to take out the suspects. that appears to be more than just gunfire. those are huge explosions now that we see this new video. clarissa ward has been on the scene for many hours. they moved in with a great deal of force. >> that's right, norah. we've just heard yet another convoy of emergency services. this time it appeared to be fire trucks going in to the village there where that operation appears to have reached a crescendo before there was a huge convoy of ambulances that swept in. and all of this taking place of the escalation the crescendo of this operation with essentially heavy gunfire, explosions police apparently moving in to neutralize the two suspects the kouachi brothers cherif and said who have been holding this entire country hostage, essentially, over the last three days as police have opened up a massive manhunt to try to find them after they attack the "charlie hebdo" magazine on wednesday, and killed 12 people. police have been lock -- have locked off this village for the last seven hours. they have been engaged in an operation to try to neutralize the kouachi brothers. that operation appears now to have been successful. you can hear another convoy of ambulance s ambulances going by. they are going in to that village now, presumably going there to tend to any wounded who may be on the scene. from what we've heard, the casualties that we can confirm are the two kouachi brothers who according to multiple reports are now dead and we are also hearing that the hostage, the man who worked at the printing company in that industrial complex that they took hostage, that he is safe and he has been freed. but judging by all these ambulances that we're hearing going in there, it is possible that there has been other people injured. we just don't know yet, were they police were they locals we don't know. we're waiting to find out more. we'll let you know as soon as we do. >> we go now to juan zarate a former national security official in the bush administration and now consultant to cbs. >> charlie, what's significant here too, is to keep in mind french counterterrorism officials have been dealing with terrorism in france for two decades, really. so they are good. they are professional. some of the best. and so bob orr's points about these two sites being handled well is important to underscore. in addition this question of what american and french and european counterterrorism officials have to worry about next is critical. because you have the concern over network cells, individuals who may be connected to these groups may be animated by other terrorist groups that's important to ask. in addition whether or not this becomes an animating moment for others who are going to be inspired to attack. and so american officials are going to be looking at potential threats to american sites abroad. they're going to be be sharing intelligence about what they known about known individuals and entities. i would anticipate in france in particular but also other parts of europe you're going to see counterterrorism officials be more aggressive about making arrests, engaging in raids, and trying to look at suspect individuals who've been on their radar scope but who now may pose a different kind of threat in light of these actions in paris. so i anticipate more counterterrorism activities in the days and weeks to come. >> knowing, juan that there is competition among terrorist groups is it surprising that no one has stepped forward to take credit or association with these tragedies? >> yes and no charlie. in many instances you will have a group that has engineered and orchestrated an attack laying claim, trying to take full propaganda value from an event like this. in an instance like this where the event may have been more organically launched where individuals decided the timing and scope on their own, terrorist organizations may be trying to figure this out, as well. they may be trying to posture how to take full advantage of this. but there's no question that al qaeda and the arabian peninsula, the al qaeda affiliates around the world, even potentially the islamic state, which is in what competition with al qaeda, will try to take full advantage of this because part of their agenda has been to bring terror to the heart of the west and to make western capitals uneasy. the fact that they've paralyzed paris in this way in the minds of many in the minds of these groups will be a success. they will loud it as such. you will see it on social media, you'll see it in the propaganda. they will take full advantage of it in the coming days. >> juan can you stand by for just a second? we're told we have video of the hostages being removed from the kosher superintendent as we've reported here. the gunmen has been killed in that location and all of the hostages we're told has been released. this was video just moments ago you can see the hostages coming out of the kosher supermarket. we're told the two kouachi brothers have been killed and the one hostage there has also been released. but these are the hostages that were released from the kosher supermarket. you can only imagine the ordeal that they've been through. elizabeth palmer what can you tell us about what's going on there now? >> well you may be able to see in those photographs at least one hostage is being carried on the shoulders of the police. now much earlier on in this incident we did hear that somebody had been injured in the incident. it's possibly that person who's being carried out alive. on the other hand it may be somebody who's just too overcome with emotion to walk. the police did evacuate not only the hostages, but people from the building. that is going to be a big crime scene now, and they have to secure it. we've seen ambulances coming and going from the top of the road behind me presumably taking people to hospital. the big french news agencies are reporting that this amedy coulibaly, the suspect, is dead. although the police are using the word neutralized. we're presuming that means that he's dead. but it is -- there's a small possibility he may have been arrested. also one eyewitness whose apartment overlooks the kosher supermarket says that he did see one policeman down but we haven't got a final tally yet of exactly who has survived who's been killed and exactly how it all happened. >> that's an interesting point. we don't know how it happened in terms of what was the first act, and in fact the tic toc of how it all laid out? >> that's right. and it will be very interesting to hear whether the two hostage taking incidents were being coordinated. they must have been coordinated through the police central office but whether the police decided to go in pretty much at the same time. we know that the intervention in the industrial park outside of paris, and the explosions we heard here occurred within minutes of each other. >> elizabeth you're at the scene near the porte de vincennes in eastern paris. why do you think the hostage takers and that third suspect might have chosen that area? >> it's very hard to know. he was on the loose yesterday with a gun, and he attacked a policewoman who later died. in a completely different suburb. he's -- he came here. we began to get reports in the middle of the afternoon that he'd taken people hostage in this kosher supermarket. the police are presuming he chose it because it was a jewish target and he is linked with radical islamists. it may have been a targeted opportunity. he could have been just roaming the city armed because he did manage to escape from that killing yesterday and saw an opportunity to make a last stand. >> elizabeth they're also showing a picture of the suspect and you've described the woman next to him as his girlfriend on the left-hand side of our screen that we're looking at now. can you tell us anything about her? >> she's much younger than he is. she also is a french citizen. and she's been with him for many years. he's known to have gone and paid visits to a very radical islamist who had been convicted of crimes terrorism here in france and was under house arrest. and both of them together went to visit this man for alleged spiritual guidance. so she has been privy to his thoughts and his companion for many years. and the police named her as a suspect. not only in this hostage taking but also in the attack yesterday in which this policewoman was killed. >> thank you, elizabeth. let's go to bob orr. >> you know charlie, one of the things investigators are a bit puzzled by is why now? why did these guys who have been radicalized over a number of years who apparently had access to weapons, who had connections to real terrorists why did they choose to act out now? what they did was they hit a couple of relatively undefended targets. there were police of course at charlie the magazine but they were not heavily fortified targets. the kosher deli is a classic example of a soft target. so terrorists typically will attack when they're ready and when they can and they have a target. presumably these guys could have done this kind of attack or these kinds of attacks, at any point along the way. and we know that said kouachi came back from yemen a number of years ago. perhaps in 2011 we were told. might even be as late as early 2012. but nevertheless there's this three year gap where for all intents and purposes he and his brother and coulibaly are all kind of low on the radar or even off the radar. something motivated them to attack now. and the question then becomes, did someone give them the order to do that. or did they decide the target and the timing? then in the second case did coulibaly, did he act because the brothers acted? or was someone pulling all of the strings? so this is important. because it speaks directly to the question of how big was this plot? or was it kind of an ad hoc pltot that was carried out in stages by people who were prepared to act when they felt like it most? these are all the things intelligence people are trying to unravel. i talked a brief time ago to a u.s. official who said that right now, they're in overdrive trying to figure out who's behind this. and trying to answer these precise questions because the time gap is very interesting. it might be did something flip their switch this week? >> it's so interesting because when this first happened when that attack happened on the newspaper of course we all thought about isis. because isis has been in the news. were they connected to isis in some way? as this story unraveled we learned the older brother had visited yemen in 2011. and so he might be connected to al qaeda in yemen led by anwar al awlaki, killed in a drone strike in 2011. if he was in time line in 2011 got training in 2011 now it's 2015 what's happened. and so was it just a target of opportunity as you could suggest? or was it that he got orders from someone? how might u.s. intelligence and french intelligence officials hone in on that very question and find out if he was getting orders? >> it's a tough question they're going to be talking to his friends, associates, anybody who looked through his social media. all the standard stuff to try to get clues that might help answer that. you know in some cases or in some ways this is somewhat, you know suggestive of a cell. people that gather to the. they gather plans and weapons. and then they kind of lie in wait and wait for orders. at the same time though because of the targets involved it doesn't seem likely that this was the classic kind of sleeper cell. i've been talking to juan zarate about this and others and it seems to be some kind of hybrid model that these were who had real connections, they believed in the ideology they had access to the weapons, they had a real grievance against the magazine, for example, the jewish deli was kind of a natural target in their minds. and they just chose to act out. not necessarily at the direct orders of a higher power but because they could and at some point they were going to. i think that time gap is a real puzzle norah. i think it's one of the principle questions. >> can you eliminate the possibility that there was some particular cartoon that set them off? >> we can't eliminate it but we know that said received his training in yemen prior to the publication of that infamous cartoon in 2012. it could be. this is speculation. it could be he comes back to france with hopes and instructions of trying to do something at some point. maybe he sees the cartoon and that doesn't sit well with him and he starts to make his plan. but that's speculation. it's one of the things that the u.s. and french officials are going to try to untangle. because at some point they decided on this target. why they picked this week we don't know. >> thank you very much bob. we're going to back to elizabeth palmer on the scene at the kosher supermarket where you know the hostages have been released. the gunman has been killed. elizabeth i understand you have new information about what happened there. what do you know? >> well all sorts of intriguing details are trickling out now about the police operation which was clearly minutely planned. there were rumors earlier that the police were in touch with one of the hostages who was hidden inside the store. now france 2 which is the big nation 58 channel is reporting that the police were talking to a hostage inside. so getting inside information about where the gunman was, and where the hostages were. then were able to tap into the store's security camera surveillance. they had eyes on in the shop. that no doubt helped them plan the final attack which happened less than an hour ago. we heard explosions we assume were stun grenades. a little bit of gunfire and this extraordinary result which appears to be all the hostages were released safely. >> boy, that's amazing new information, elizabeth, on the scene at the supermarket. so they had access to the store security that they were watching in realtime, as this was going on? >> it does appear so. that would be invaluable because they had to plan this tactical assault, and they needed to know the state of mind of the gunman they needed to know where the hostages were in order not to kill or hurt them. by mistake. so it will have been hugely important in the successful outcome of what was a very delicate and dangerous operation. >> i mean it's an interesting question whether the police called in or he called out or she called out. juan zarate, what do you make of this latest information from liz palmer? >> it underscores just how good the french are, and obviously, they've trained around these kinds of incidents in the past. they've had these incidents to deal with. what may have been happening, as well to the extent that they had realtime information, they were able to perhaps even preposition hostages to the extent that there was some mobility inside. but certainly it gave them the ability to plan properly and certainly to pick their window of opportunity to act. and that in combination with information they were getting from the other site allowed the french to choreograph this assault very well, and to take down both sites effectively. again the french are very good about this. and apparently they neutralized the hostage takers very quickly. >> it's such an interesting development, juan to think about the cameras and if police had access to video inside the store and whether they did at the other location which was at an industrial park northeast of paris. whether that company had cameras and whether the police had access to those that could give them realtime information about what was going on. the other thing that strikes me juan of course as we've been watching this situation for the past several hours here on cbs this morning and the cbs news special report is this operation by french security officials occurred just right before night fall. this was expertly planned. right? >> absolutely. they wanted to control the environments. they clearly wanted to get as much information about what was happening inside eyes on ears on they wanted to map this out. they wanted to plan for every contingency, and they certainly were planning for the assaults. they wanted to make sure that they car yo graphed it because they didn't want one dimension of the operation to foil or prove problematic to other parts of the operation at the various sites. so this was well planned. and they may have made a determination based on conditions inside a breakdown of discussions with negotiators that they wanted to do this before nightfall. and there may have been some direction from political leadership to say we don't want this to go beyond the nighttime. we want to end the paralysis in paris. and so when there's a tactical opportunity take them down. and so that's i think, what you saw here. you saw the opportunity that the french authorities saw. they planned it well. and they seemed to have executed it properly. >> what are your thoughts juan on us now knowing that they were looking at the security cameras in realtime? >> well good counterterrorism and security officials in this kind of a situation, hostage rescue teams, the fbi has one of the best in the world. they're going to be looking at any opportunity to get insights as to what's happening on the ground or inside an environment like that. they're going to try to get inside the head of the hostage taker, through the negotiator. they're going to try to understand what's happening with cameras, and with communications inside perhaps with the hostages themselves as we heard from liz palmer. and they're going to want to control the environment. they want to understand and control what's happening. they don't want the hostage takers in control. so that seems to be what happened here. as i said earlier, you know the french have the "a" team of counterterrorism along with the u.s. and british services. they know how to do this. they've trained. they've operated before. and they've been dealing with these kinds of terrorist activities for two decades dating back look at the 1995 metro attacks in paris. and so they understand how to deal with it. and when they need to they bring full force and execute well. and i think that's what we saw today. >> all right. juan zarate and his incredible analysis. also want to thank bob orr, of course. elizabeth palmer who has been on the scene and clarissa ward. all of them have been reporting for very long hours as this has been brought to what appears to be an end with those terror suspects killed. we want to recap this morning's events in and around paris. the two main suspects in wednesday's terror attack are dead. said and cherif kouachi were killed by police who stormed their hideout within the past hour. there were huge explosions and gunfire. police said one hostage held by the suspects is safe at this hour. shortly after that attack the police raided the kosher market in eastern paris where a friend of the suspects had taken at least five hostages. that suspect was killed in the operation, and some people were rescued. >> it is so fascinating to hear from elizabeth palmer that the police were in contact with at least one of the hostages who were able to give them inside information, and to watch the security cameras, so they knew exactly what was happening and where everybody was positioned. >> thank you gayle and norah. scott pelley will anchor a special report at this morning's incidents at 3:00 p.m. eastern time noon pacific time. you can follow our coverage throughout the today on cbs digital network go to cbsnews.com and there will be much more tonight on the cbs evening news with scott pelley. this has been a cbs news special report. i'm charlie rose with n a remarkable thing has happened. over a million californians have gotten something that's been out of reach for far too long. health insurance. how? 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