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But to understand the mentality of these jihadis, you dont need to travel to the middle east. Across the west, isis has a committed support base that is actively recruiting young muslims. We sought out a man at the heart of that movement, a british preacher who sees no border between the streets of london and the frontlines of the middle east. Talking to him and his followers gives you a window into a world you may find disturbing and difficult to understand. There are at least 500 u. K. Citizens fighting in syria and iraq. Every week, according to british police, another five recruits join the fight. British jihadis have been on the front lines with isis from the very beginning. In the groups recent videos showing the executions of western hostages, the masked man holding the knife speaks with a london accent. Well only drag you and your people into another bloody and unwinnable war. Ward the spike in western fighters may be, in part, due to this man, anjem choudary, a britishborn lawyer turned islamic preacher who lives in london and has for years been asserting his democratic right to call for an end to democracy. Anjem choudary down, down democracy. I believe that islam is superior and will not be surpassed. So i believe that the law of god is much superior to manmade law. Ward so, in that sense, you believe that islam and democracy are mutually exclusive, that they cant exist sidebyside choudary allah is the only one to legislate. So, obviously, in that sense, its completely diametrically opposed. You cannot have man legislating and playing god in parliament, and at the same time believe that allah is the only legislator. Ward you have the freedom to come here today. You have the freedom to speak on television, to worship whichever god you please. But youre advocating a system that essentially would take away all of those freedoms. Choudary allah created my tongue to speak. I dont have freedom to come here, because allah created my feet to walk. So i walk, and i speak, and i look, and i hear, according to what god says. Ward choudary has been accused of inspiring hundreds of muslims from across the west to join isis. We went to a meeting he held in an east london basement. On the wall was a large picture of Buckingham Palace turned into a mosque. He described the newly formed Islamic State in iraq and syria as a kind of utopia. Talking about jihad, he sounded at times like a coach giving a pep talk before the big game. Choudary when the heavens are with you, when the earth is with you, when the sea is with you, when the wind is with you, whos going to defeat you after that . nobody. Ward choudary has fronted a series of organizations that have been banned by the British Government under the countrys antiterror laws, but he denies that he actively recruits fighters. Choudary you know, the. The messenger mohammed, he said, fight them with your wealth, with your body, with your tongue. So, im engaged here, if you like, in a verbal jihad. Ward but what youre actually doing, essentially, is inspiring young men to go and fight in these countries, while you stay here and enjoy a comfortable life in the united kingdom. Choudary no, i mean, this is. This is a kind of a. The rhetoric that the western media come out with. But, i mean, there are no examples of anyone, in fact, who is in any of the battlefronts, who actually say, well, actually, mr. Choudary asked me to come here, or he bought my ticket, you know if. If it were the case. Ward they wouldnt say that you bought their ticket. Choudary well, no, if it were the case. Ward . But they might say that you inspired them with your message. Choudary there. There was a report out recently which said that i. I inspired 500 people, in fact, to carry out operations here and abroad. And if that were really the case, dont you think that id be arrested and ill be sitting in prison . Ward so, if a young man, one of your students, comes to you and says, should i go and fight in syria or iraq, what would you tell them . Choudary well, they havent come to me. And if they come to me, ill think about a suitable response, but i. Im engaged. Ward what would you tell them . Ward its a hypothetical question. Choudary i dont deal with hypotheticals. Choudary because its a. Ward it really should be an easy question. Choudary i. I like. I like to deal with reality. If that happens, you can have another interview with me and ill deal with it. Ward but one week after our interview, choudary was arrested on suspicion of being a member of a proscribed or banned organization, and encouraging terrorism. Also rounded up in the raids was one of his young followers, abu rumaysah. Abu rumaysah we want islam. We want islam to dominate the world. Ward talking to rumaysah, you come face to face with a version of islam that wipes out every other aspect of a persons identity. He is a convert from hinduism, but his new beliefs bar even the most basic human feelings towards his mother and other family members who didnt convert. Rumaysah i dont love them, as nonmuslims, but i desire for them to become muslim and embrace islam. Ward but you love her as your mother. Rumaysah shes my mother and she has rights over me, so i have to take care of her, i have to look after her. I have to make sure that, you know, shes protected and secure, so i. I fulfill my obligations like that. Ward but do you feel love for her . Rumaysah its not allowed for me to love nonmuslims, so thats something that is a matter of faith. Ward so, do you feel that you are british . Rumaysah i identify myself as a muslim. If i. If i was born in a stable, you know, im not going to be a horse. If im was born in nazi germany, im not going to be a nazi. I mean, this is just an island i was born in. Ward rumaysah and choudary both live in east london, which is home to one of the largest muslim populations in the u. K. In one part of town, rumaysah and his associates have set up socalled sharia patrols, to go out and discourage behavior that they deem unislamic. On this night, they stopped to talk to a couple of nonmuslim men who were in a park drinking beer, which is forbidden under islam. So, were just reminding, anyway, reminding the community about staying safe, and in. Okay. This area, theres a lot of gambling that goes on. Okay. A lot of alcohol drinking, and it leads to a lot of problems. So we advise you and we advise anyone we see to stay away from these things. Ward but the patrols are not always so friendly. Online clips give a very different picture. A woman in a short skirt is abused. We dont respect people who disobey god. But this is great britain. Its not so great britain. Ward a man the patrol thinks is gay is insulted. Get out of here. Youre dirty, mate. Youre gay. Ward walking through london with rumaysah, you experience an alternate reality where there is no compromise and all conversations are onesided. Rumaysah ultimately, i want to see every single woman in this country covered from head to toe. I want to the see the hand of the thief cut. I want to see adulterers stoned to death. I want to see sharia law in europe. And i want to see it in america, as well. I believe our patrols are a means to an end. Ward the only thing i would say is that, in america and in the united kingdom, we have a system, democracy. Rumaysah a backwards one. Ward but its a system. Rumaysah a barbaric one. Ward . That allows the people to choose what they want and allows people freedom. Rumaysah so why cant i choose sharia . When in rome, overthrow caesar and commit to sharia. Ward act. In your home, you can do whatever you want. Rumaysah but what about in the public . Why cant i tell you to cover up . Am i free to say that . Ward because it would be outrageous. Of course, youre not. Rumaysah so wheres my freedom . Wheres my freedom . Ward you can say it to me, but you. Rumaysah okay, so cover up. Wear the hijab. Ward thats absurd the thought of choudarys supporters taking the law into their own hands is deeply frightening to most british people. This is a group that believes the west is at war with islam, and that the invasions of iraq and afghanistan justify any kind of violence in response. The most shocking example of that logic was the gruesome and very public murder of british soldier lee rigby on a london street last year. We have killed this man today because muslims are dying daily by british soldiers. Ward on that day, the man wielding the knife was a known associate of choudary. Choudary has refused to condemn rigbys murder, nor will he criticize isis for the beheading of american journalist james foley and other western hostages. Choudary you know, i dont know the details about james foley, but. Ward i know the details. Let me educate you, because he was a friend of mine. Choudary i dont believe you. Im sorry, i dont believe you. Ward you dont believe me that james foley was a journalist . Choudary i dont believe. No, no, i dont believe any western journalists, quite frankly. I believe youre liars until proven otherwise. But let me tell you something the perspective of the muslims of journalists, whether that be james foley and others, is that they are the propaganda for the western regimes. Ward have you formed an opinion for yourself . Choudary i form my opinion on the basis of what the muslims say, not on the basis of what you say. Ward im sensing a double standard here, because, essentially, youre very quick to condemn acts of violence by the west, but you refuse to condemn any act of violence by your fellow muslims. Choudary no, i believe that the. Theres a difference between the oppressor and oppressed. Ward britains authorities have struggled with how to handle extremists like choudary and his followers. He has been arrested multiple times, but never convicted of anything more than staging an illegal demonstration. And now, the police face a new challenge that is nearly impossible to manage the spread of islamic extremism through slickly produced online propaganda films from real fighters in real battlefields. We will chop off the heads of the americans, chop off the heads of the french, chop off the heads of whoever you may bring. Ward those videos have proven wildly attractive to thousands of young people who feel alienated from the western societies they live in. For them, jihad offers the promise of power and glory. Sir peter fahy is in charge of a Government Program called prevent, set up to combat the radicalization of british muslims. Peter fahy i think the big concern about the Current Situation is just a huge amount of material which is available on social media, in the various publications, and the various videos that i think a lot of us are. Are struggling to come to terms with and get a good picture of. Ward so, in a sense, its less about preachers radicalizing young men, and its more young fighters radicalizing other young fighters from the battlefield using social media as their recruitment platform. Fahy i think youre absolutely right. That is my concern is that what has changed, again, over recent months is that you have got local people identifiable as real people. Youve got, you know, a person whos identifiably british whos gone out there, and is absolutely using social media to be able to communicate directly into your son or daughters bedroom and to encourage them to come out. And i think that is extremely worrying as a new development. As i say, i think a lot of families and a lot of parents, including obviously muslim parents, are very concerned about that. Ward bedroom jihad, theyre calling it. Fahy absolutely. Its almost that personal contact which is the worrying aspect. But, you know, we. We need to be aware of all different forms of brainwashing and radicalization. Ward if their parents cant stop it, what can you do to stop it . Fahy well, all we can do is raise awareness, but youre absolutely right. And we constantly agonize about whether this is a job for the police or not. Ward britains mainstream Muslim Leaders are speaking out against isis and have discouraged young men in their communities from joining the fight. But the ongoing u. S. Led military campaign in syria and iraq has stoked anger and raised fears of terrorist retaliation attacks in the west. Do you believe that there will be more attacks in the west . Choudary yes. I believe its inevitable. Ward if you believe that, would you ever use your role as a british citizen, and as a muslim, to actively dissuade people from launching attacks here in the u. K. , in the u. S. , in the west . Choudary well, i think we need to deal with the root causes. I think its. Its really absurd to say, well, why shouldnt people react . The fact is if we dont deal with the root cause, which is the occupation of the muslim land, which is the torture of muslims, which is the Foreign Policy of governments like britain and america, that you will never be able to stop people. Ward so, just so i understand, you will continue to refuse to condemn acts of terror . Choudary well, as i say, you know, im not in the game of condemnation or condoning. Ward its really just a yes orno question. Choudary well, i dont want to answer you with a yes or no answer. Ward but choudary, who is out on bail, will have to give answers when he reports to police in january. 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