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Finally, terror abroad and concerns at home. How serious is the threat to us . Im chuck todd and joining me is former Republican House speaker newt gingrich. Michael eric dyson of georgetown university. And charles ogletree. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. Good morning. Perhaps it was a bit of hyperbole, but one writer said this is a week historians will write books about. A week when an africanamerican president sang Amazing Grace as the country buried the confederate battle flag. The left right ideological struggle strung in sharply in favor of progressives. As americans came to look at issues in rapid order. The Confederate Flag was seen by most as eye reminder of hate, not heritage. Health care reform a right, not a privilege. Samesex marriage became a law of the land. It was a week that cemented president obamas legacy as well. Here he is celebrating the Supreme Court Health Care Decision with his chief of staff, denis mcdonough. On friday night, the white house was bathed in rainbow colors in honor of the marriage ruling capping the social transformation since the 1960s. There is a right to marriage equality. We have it. There is a right to marriage equality. Usa usa the progressive led by a new generation of grassroots activists pressing political leaders to keep up with the pace of change. Sometimes there are days like this when that slow steady effort is rewarded with justice and arrives like a thunderbolt. Just 30 years ago, the Supreme Court said gay people could be punished as criminals. In historic terms, it has moved quickly, but that quickly came on the strength of more than four decades of engagement and work and persuasion and many stumbled and injustice. It took a lot of work to get to this overnight success. For republicans running for president , responses for it are a litmus test. Some of the darkest 24 hours in our nations history. Jeb bush eyeing the general election criticized the decision but essentially said, accept it and move on. Also this week, a flag emerged as a defiant political symbol with a is now being taken down all over the south in State Capitols from South Carolina to alabama. And a tragedy in charleston may be changing the debate on race from a conversation to action. A week of in the same way that the loss of four little girls in a church of birmingham galvanized the brought tough love to africanamericans at more house college. Nobody cares how tough your upbringing was. Nobody cares if you suffered some discrimination. At fridays eulogy for reverend pinckney, the president took a different approach. Were guarding against racial slurs and the subtle impulse to call johnny back for a Job Interview but not jamaal. His change in tone is led by a new generation of social justice activists with Hillary Clinton was criticized with Bernie Sanders for appearing uncomfortable using the phrase black lives matter. All lives matter. That didnt cut it with one of the founders of the black life matter movement. Racism is an epidemic in this country. Its a Public Health crisis. But right now our politicians cant even say black lives matter. On friday the president wanted to make sure that phrase was crystal clear. And then broke into an old hymn. Amazing grace it was a week of dramatic social change inex trick bli linked to the age of obama. After the Supreme Court decision on samesex marriage, i sat down with one of the lawyers who successfully argued the case before the court and two plaintiffs. I began by asking mary bow nat owe who has been at the forefront of the fight for over a decade if she was surprised by the rapid pace of change. When massachusetts legalized marriage in 2003, i didnt expect to see it quickly. When people started marrying in may of 2004 you could see the temperature coming down and people receipt relating to the fact this is folks who wanted to commit to each other and take on legal responsibility. It was kind of hard to argue with that. As you see that extend throughout the nation. Justice roberts in his dissent said celebrate, he seemed to be happy about the outcome though upset about the legal justification for the outcome. He said you can celebrate in every which way but you cant point to the constitution. Whats your response to that . This case is entirely about the constitution and the great thing about our nation is that we have the courts there to say when laws trespass on basic guarantees and our nation for over a century marriage has been considered one of those basic cherished liberties and the state used a very good reason to in the end, there were no good reasons here as the majority pointed out. The major argument was in same sex couples marry gregory and michael, you have two kids. Yes. You now get to tell your kids that your marriage is legal wherever you move wherever you live. How important is that, michael . Its very important. Especially since in the state of kentucky, i am their only parent right now. State of kentucky does not recognize you they dont recognize our marriage. Wont allow us to have a second parent adoption much our children. Were using past tense. Thats an important outcome of this. For us to now that were recognized as a marriage couple we can put both names on their birth certificates. They have always seen both of us being their parents. This is the big win for us. You think your services are done . I hesitate to say so. People still get singled out for discrimination and sometimes, as we know from whats happening in South Carolina unspeakable violence. So i do believe that the work goes on to ensure that the way that we live our lives and the way people treat us were not singled out for different treatment because of who we are. To write down a historic week at the Supreme Court, nobody better than our own justice correspondent Pete Williams. Youve been a busy man. Yes, sir. What did we learn about the court this weekl i liberal court . You had the marriage decision saving health care reviving the housing discrimination law. Saying that states dont have to put the Confederate Flag on their license plates restricting Campaign Fund racing in judicial elections and so forth. If you look at the last ten years, Justice Roberts running the courts. The decisions that stand out that will annoy him is that hes twice bailed out obama care. But liberal takes the fact that hes the chief justice who gafs dealt a huge blow to the Voting Rights act. What we see about john roberts and these two decisions is dissenting on marriage agreeing on obama care. He doesnt like to see the court as a political institution. He hates it when we describe a liberal block or conservative block of justices. He is concerned about the courts legacy and his own image. We know where three justices always are going to be on the right, alito, thomas and scalia and four justices on the left when it comes to kagan, briar, sotomayor, ginsberg and its kennedy and roberts are the swing . Is that what were looking at here . We often see that on the social issues. Where we saw the fault lines was in the marriage decision. Two Different Things the court does. Interpreting statutes the obama care decision. The other is saying what liberties does the constitution protect and thats where the courts liberal conservative fight four divisions are the sharpest. Between scalia and roberts, right, this is a big debate. Explain the difference here a little bit. Theres been a lot of commentary on this. Scalia looks at it in almost a strict the description of strict construction and is it fair to call roberts an institutionalist. Justice scalia has written about this as a textualist. What would the Founding Fathers say. Finding no meaning beyond the words of law itself. Remember, in the in his majority opinion in the obama care case, you have scalia saying this is crazy, youre twisting the statute shouldnt be doing this. The justice twice quotes him as you have to read the law as a whole. Your other beat is homegrown terror. Something concerning. There is this general warning out there about the fourth of july. Explain it when it comes to worries about terrorism. Its isisbased. Its been out there for several weeks now. The attorney general and the fbi director had a meeting with the Homeland Security had a Conference Call with the police chief. Theyre worried about isisbased people inspiring people in the u. S. Theyre concerned about the fourth of july. One is the obvious lgbt fa its a obviously its the fourth of july. Youve seen the fbi rounding up people doing arrests and youll see more of that this week. Pete williams thanks very much. Busy week for you. Weve got another big one on monday for real political junkies when it comes to redistricting. As we bring in the panel, i wanted everyone to see how the Supreme Court decision was covered in the newspaper. These are the kinds of front pages theyll be saving hanging on their wall, freemingaming it. Youll see it there. They will be souvenirs for many people. Others maybe not so much. Let me bring in the panel. Charles, youre the harvard law professor. What did you learn . It was a great series of decisions. I think this is not about left and right. Republicans have not turned conservative or liberal. This is about justice inequality. The opinions show about t im happy with what was decided by the court. Speaker gingrich, i take it you arent . There are two radically different decisions. The obama care decision was a great boon to the the obama care decision its almost impossible to read the law the way the court read it. Well test avoidance of the language of the bill. In the case of the Gay Rights Movement which goes back i think this is the 46th anniversary since stonewall riots. This is a long evolution. Most of the country has migrated in the direction of the court decision. There you have the Court Following the nation. I dont happen to think we ought to decide these things in courts. Theres a reason for political bodies. Clearly, if you look at the reaction around the country, this is an issue which i began saying several years ago, once people are getting married legally, whether massachusetts or anywhere. Youre having a challenge and you cant unravel. Human beings lives are its a changing reality. Its interesting. Doesnt like tk that the courts do this. You can argue in our countrys history, the courts its only the courts that have dealt with social transformation. That the legislative bodies, they cant deal with it. No question. You think about the dred scott decision and about these decisions, those who give hallelujah are those who have been victims of state forces of oppression in the name of legislation and government. Dont forget that jim crow was a state sponsored form of division of racist. The courts have often intervened in progressive fashion to keep the dream of democracy alive. I think that when it comes to obama care, again, those to disagree with speaker gingrich here i think that the people who made the law are arrive. Intents are clear. Why . Because they went to court to say its not the interpretation we want to lend to those four words. When literary artists trying to deconstruct and demythologize meaning, the women who did it we can work it out. I think we can save a lot of time. Its interesting. You can argue that everybodys point of view is represented on the Supreme Court. Isnt that a good thing . In some ways everybody gets a piece of what they want represented and how they want to see the constitution interpreted. Thats true. I appreciated professor ogletrees explanation of how this has evolved through the years and i love Pete Williams explanation of scalia being a textualist and important perspective to bring to any discussion. To followup on one of the things that speaker gingrich said i lost my train of thought. Thats all right. Oh, no no. I did kind of space there. Im still visualizing the white house bathed in rainbow colors im having a slight flashback. I cant wait for the red, black and green. I think the ruling on the marriage issue was a gift for the gop. It takes the pressure off the politicians. Its the law we follow it. Lets move on. They dont have to create wedge issues. Theyre liberated. In crass political terms, ive seen some conservatives on twitter saying should republicans construct another bush when it comes to reciting suiter and bushs father and w. And roberts. Does this hurt jeb bush in some ways . Maybe some conservatives. Something is going to hurt jeb bush with some conservatives anyway. I want to dissent for a second. You look at dred scott where the Supreme Court was wrong. Thats decided by a civil war and elections that put lincoln in the white house. In you can cite brown versus board of education the u. S. Congress i absolutely agree with you. But my point adjudication of the court has to reflect the principle of democracy that theyre putting pressure. Its both and. Not either or. How do you feel about the idea that the Supreme Court should reflect Public Opinion . I think it does not reflect Public Opinion. Theyre deciding which law, whats justice, whats equality . If you take a peer vote were going to lose every time. Africanamericans, people, asian americans, people who are latinos and latinas. The Supreme Court says we can decide what the law is going to be and i rest and say that they have made a good series of decisions on obama care, on other issues as well. Were going to pause and come back on this debate. 150 years later after used in battle. A symbol of resistance to civil rights the confederate battle you probably know xerox as the company thats all about printing. But did you know we also support hospitals using Electronic Health records for more than 30 million patients . 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In the aftermath of the tragedy in charleston it didnt take long for politicians in both parties to suddenly unite and call for the removal of the confederate battle flag from the front of the State Capitol in South Carolina. One prominent South Carolina politician who has changed his mind on the issue is senator lindsey graham, who is running for the republican president ial nomination. On friday he attended the funeral of reverend Clementa Pinckney in charleston, where president obama spoke so movingly. Senator graham joins me now. Senator, welcome back to meet the press. Thank you very much. Take me to the services on friday. What did you make of the president . Great speech. Good singer. I dont think hes a very good commander in chief, but he did a very good job. I guess when we started talking about gods grace and the democratic agenda across the board he sort of lost me there but i thought he did an incredible job of speaking about reverend pinckney. He did a good job explaining our history. But then it got a bit political. Im glad he came and i know it meant a lot to the people in South Carolina for the president to come. Why did it take nine deaths to change your mind on the battle flag . If youd ask me the day before the attack and this killing, i would have said the compromise were for South Carolina, chuck. Im not going to throw my state under the bus. Thats never going to happen. This compromise was 15 years old. We took the flag off the top of the dome, moved it by the war memorial, built an african monument that worked for most South Carolinaen and after the shooting it did not. My state will never move forward after this shooting if we dont take the flag down. The people at the ame church, the families of the victims, changed everything by their grace, by their love by their forgiveness, making it impossible for a guy like me to say, keep the flag up. When you see the flag now, do you see a symbol of hate or heritage . I see it as a roadblock for South Carolina. Put it in a museum. You can look at it any way you like but after this shooting and and after the call for it to be taken down by the families of the victims i say its a roadblock to the future of my state. I love my state. Weve come a long way. We got a long way to go. But its got its got to come down and i see it being in a museum. You can look at it any way you want. The flag thats only meant anything to me is the United States flag which i served for 33 years as an air force officer. Im curious to get your reaction to what david brooks wrote about robert e. Lee. He says my own view is we should preserve most con fed ral memorials as respect of the soldier. We should keep lees name on institutions that reflect. But we should remove lees names from most schools, roads and institutions where the name could be an acceptance of what he did and stood for during the war. These debate, senator will be about Jefferson Davis as well, virginia, very prominent in Northern Virginia Jefferson Davis highway. Where do you think we should go forward on this . If you look back, the goal is to go forward, right . To look back in a way to come to reality about who we are as a nation but to go forward together. I would say to david, who i admire a lot, why would you stop there . The whole country was founded by flavor owners for the most part. Heres a question, why would you name the capital of any nation after a slave owner . I think washington, d. C. Is appropriately named even though George Washington was a slave owner, because when you look at what he did as a whole i think hes earned the right to be called one of the great figures in american history. As to robert e. Lee if it wasnt for his leadership after the war, urging his soldiers to lay down their weapons and become good americans, only god knows what would happen after 1865. I want to move to the court here. Im curious to see your reaction. This is what ted cruz said in response to the two Court Rulings last on friday night. Today its some of the darkest 24 hours in our nations history. Do you agree with his assessment . No. I think its a transformational moment. There are a lot of upset people who believe in traditional marriage. Theyre disappointed. Theyre down right now. But the court has ruled so heres where i stand. If im president of the United States heres what would happen. If you have a church, a mosque or a synagogue and youre following your faith and you refuse to perform a samesex marriage because its outside the tenets of your faith n my presidency you will not lose your taxexempt status. If youre a gay person or gay couple f im president of the United States, youll be able to participate in commerce and be a full member of Society Consistent with the religious beliefs of others who have rights also. Let me ask you about the Republican Party platform, the 2012 platform said this we affirm our support for constitutional amendment defining marriage as one man and one woman. Should is that go away in 2016 . I dont believe theres any chance for constitutional amendment defining marriage between one man and one woman to get twothirds vote in the house or senate and be ratified get it out of the platform . I agree with jeb. If my view, you can put it in the platform but in my view it will hurt us in 2016 because its a process thats not going to bear fruit. I want to protect the religious liberties of those who believe that opposing samesex marriage as part of their faith, so, no i would not engage in the constitutional amendment process as a party going into 2016. Accept the courts ruling, fight for the religious liberties of every american. Are you confident the flags coming down in South Carolina . Yes, because we have no other choice. And i am confident that after all this is over well be stronger than South Carolina were before. This is a case where the people led the politicians. The grace the love shown by the victims of these families represent my state better than i could ever hope to. Im so proud of the people in charleston. Senator lindsey graham, ill stay there. Stay safe on the campaign trail. Panelists here kathleen parker, youre a charleston resident. You were down there this week. The flag coming down, right . You feel as if South Carolinas unifying around that position . Well, youre still going to have pockets of dissent for sure. And the National Media will certainly root out those people. But for the most part, i dont know anyone who thinks flag belongs there. I dont know anybody who didnt think it needed to come down from the dome 15 years ago. There will always be those people that have the Confederate Flag in heir their front yards and trucks. Theyre going to it almost has less to do with the flag itself than the outside forces insisting they take it down. Theres still that sort of dig your heels in and resist mentality. But its coming down because its the right thing to do. Its the least we can do to pay our respects for the people who died in that attack. I want to play something cornel brooks of the naacp he is actually posing a question to everybody on this panel. Take a listen. I poese a question to the viewers of this program. Would you feel safe walking into a room full of swastikas and nazi paraphernalia in the same way americans do not feel safe do not feel confident by this emblem of hatred, bigotry biased and slavery waving in front of the State Capitol. Thats why it had to come down. Speaker, you represented georgia, this divide on what the confederacy was about. When you hear his comments, how do you respond . Look, i joined democrat zoe miller 13 years ago in saying the georgia flag had to be changed. Its very clear are you comfortable with the flag the way it is now . It is modeled it is the original Confederate Flag just with the georgia seal on it the way its modeled. I think that well be change now that people are into a new cycle. Its crazy for amazon to come along and say here is an educational game about gettysburg, which is used widely in schools to teach people to think. By the way, it has a confederate versus American Flag and, therefore, theyve taken the game out of amazon. Theres a point here where we begin to get towards orwells memory hole in which we try to hide from the past. I think its one thing to say you should not have a symbol which is very offensive to a large part of your population. Its another thing to say, lets erase our history and pretend it never occurred. Where is that balance . I absolutely agree with that. The question is, the flag is the easy part. The difficult part is, the ideas for which that flag stands. The vicious white supremacy, repudiation of africanamerican identity and autonomy to move where you want to move. Question itself the flag is gone but hatred remains and how do we root out the hatred and speak to the forces of oppression that prevail. Its so important to say the symbols and emblems of hate are removed but its more difficult for republicans to stand up and defend that flag because theyre also defending a way of life thats quickly. This idea of rethinking how we honor the confederacy. I think its important. I think we had a history of slavery we already heard about and we moved from that. We have a society, we have the first africanamerican pshgts not the last, i hope. And i think people are in Congress People are working in jobs, people are doing a great job in education. We need to talk about us as a country all of us united coming together. I think thats what the flag should be about. All americans should be embraced in the same way. Im going to leave it there. Coming up my next guest says this, if we want to save some money lets just get rid of the court. Republican president ial candidate Bobby Jindals reactions to 48 hours of Court Rulings. Hes joins me next. Announcer meet the press is brought to you by morgan man when i got shingles it was something awful. It was like being blindsided by some linebacker. You dont see it coming. Boom if youve had chicken pox that shingles virus is already inside of you. It aint pretty when it comes out. Now im not telling you this so that youll feel sorry for me. Im just here to tell you that one out of three people are gonna end up getting shingles. I was one of em. So please go talk to your doctor or pharmacist. We pointed out what an historic week it was in america. It reminded us there are times when president s simply figure out how to capture the moment, transcends bipartisanship. Sadded those moments are often rooted in tragedy. Reagan after the challenger explosion. Well never forget them nor the last time we saw them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped to the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of god. Bill clinton after oklahoma city. You have lost too much but you have not lost everything. And you have certainly not lost america. For we will stand with you. George w. Bush after 9 11. I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people [ cheers and applause ] and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. And this week Barack Obamas eulogy in charleston. Blinded by hatred the alleged killer could not see the grace surrounding rev republican pinckney and that bible study group. Through the example of their lives, theyve now passed it on to us. May we find ourselves worthy of that precious and extraordinary gift. As long as our lives endure, may grace now lead them home. Amazing grace how more and more, data is visual. 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You like that . You like iowa dont you . Giving the politically correct answer there about the state of iowa, louisiana governor Bobby Jindals somewhat unconventional video where he broke the news to his children where he was running for president. We learned new jerseys governor Chris Christie will jump into the republican race on tuesday and that takes the major declared republican candidates to 14. Jindaly and christie have something in common, once rising starts and now getting hit hard in their own states. They hope to show they have the convictions to lead even if unpopular on the National Stage. Im joined by the governor of louisiana bobby jindal. Welcome back to meet the press, governor. Chuck thank you for having me. Of course, my kids love iowa. They know they went to the iowa state fair. They had a deepfried candy bar. Who wouldnt love that . There you go. Pander, pander, pander away. Let me start with this. Put up this map here. One state in the union is not issued any marriage license since the court ruling on friday. And your state, louisiana. There have been some counties in mississippi and some in texas. Can you explain why your state hasnt implemented the law yet . Sure. Chuck, i strongly disagree with the courts ruling. According to chief Justice Roberts they werent reading this has nothing to do with the constitution but were going to come fly ply with the court order. We dont have a choice. Our state agencies will comply with a court order. We had it in our state constitution that marriage is between a man and a woman. Local federal judgeup held upheld that. We have no choice to comply even though i think this decision was the wrong one. How quickly do you think youll comply with the law . It will be up to the court as soon as they issue their ruling. I suspect a matter of days. Chuck, i do suspect i know there are efforts in congress to support our tenth amendment rights, spes rights, especially when it comes to our rights. I think it is wrong for the federal government to force christian individuals, businesses pastors churches to participate in wedding ceremonies that violate our sincerely sincerelyheld religious beliefs. The left wants to silence us. Hillary clinton wants to silence us. Were not going away. I want you to respond because you bring up a couple of debate points that are familiar. Rick grinell, long time conservative Foreign Policy voice, worked in the bush administration. And he makes a conservative case for safe him sex marriage writing this, the debate on marriage within the Republican Party has been hijacked by those who wish to dictate their beliefs onto others. The only true conservative position, the individual right of marriage for all has been affirmed by the Supreme Court. Its time for consistent conservatives to come out in favor of the courts ruling. Thats a conservative argument for samesex marriage. Why do you believe hes wrong . Look, i think hes wrong, Hillary Clinton, president obama is wrong. They evolve their views because of opinion polls. They can read opinion polls like the Supreme Court. My view of marriage is based on my christian faith. No court is going to change that. I think marriage is between a man and a woman. I think theyre all created equal in gods eyes and i think we should respect and love those. I think we can have religious liberty without discrimination. My views on marriage arent evolving with the polls. I can read polls like the president can. Its based on my faith. I think it should remain between a man and a woman. The issue of religion and faith was used in the 60s during the debate about interracial marriage. None other than former president harry truman the New York Times since september 1, 1963. The headline truman opposes biracial marriage. He said racial intermarriage ran counter to teachings of the bible. So, are you comfortable using religion as a way to defend your position on marriage . Chuck look, i think its offensive to of evangelical christians, catholics to follow their churchs teachings and millions of other americans who believe marriage between a man and woman was taught in our faiths for centuries. President obama and secretary clinton it wasnt just a republican position. So, i think its offensive to try to equate the two. Im glad america has moved towards a much better view on race relations. Ive said we need to stop viewing ourselves as hyphenated americans. Were not africanamericans, indianamericans, were all americans. Viewing people by the color of their skin is the dumbest way to view people. Ive written that. Ive said that. I think its to view them as being racist. Were not racist. We love our fellow man. We think were all equal under gods eyes. We simply believe marriage we dont believe we should change the definition of marriage simply because of opinion polls or because of a court that, quite frankly, isnt looking at the constitution. Earlier this week scalia said words no longer have meaning in their obamacare decision. You have a court not reading the dictionary. Why couldnt the court have said, were going to respect the decisions made by the state. Were going to defer to the elected representatives of the people. I want to go to the launch of your campaign. You dont start at least at home, youre not getting a favorite son sendoff. Your latest poll, sitting at 32 lower than president obamas job rating in the state of louisiana. I put a summary together of what has been republican criticism of your tenure as governor. Jennifer ruben conservative columnist of Washington Post says you suffer from awkward evereagerness. One says your campaign doesnt reflect who you really are. Eric erickson, influential said, you throw rhetorical bombs to get noticed. National review called one of your plans your Health Care Plan simply would cause millions to lose coverage. You dont deal with that. Former republican buddy roemer says when it comes to baton rouge, youve gone awol. Whats happened here . Why do so many republicans seem concerned critical of your tenure as governor and your launch here on the National Stage . Well, chuck, two things. If i were afraid of polls, i never would have been elected in two landslide elections, winning the highest percentage in our states last election for governor. If i were afraid of polls we wouldnt have privatized our Charity Hospital system, cut over 30,000 State Government bureaucrats, wouldnt have done state wide school choice. In louisiana we have more people working than ever before where top ten state for private sector job creation. When you do that youll make the Big Government people unhappy. Weve taken on status quo. Made big changes. Secondly, i said i want to run a campaign where we embrace our principles. Established republicans dont want us to do that. Jeb bush says we have to lose the primary in order to win the general election. I strongly disagree with you. What some republicans are saying, what jeb bush is saying, we have to hide who we are. Nonsense. We dont just need to send a republican to d. C. We need to somebody who will take on conventional wisdom. You cannot shrink the federal government, you cannot balance the budget, you cannot do term limits. If we dont do, that were done. We can own this next century if we actually implement conservative reforms. Im not running to manage the decline of this great country. Im running to make real changings in d. C. Well, i tell you, your state according to cnbc ranks 45th out of 50 in 2015 to do business. How do you take that record to conservative republicans and say, make me the person in charge . Now were top ten state for private sector jobs, seven years of inmigration. We have more People Living and working here in louisiana than ever before. 60 billion 90,000 jobs coming to our state. We ranked higher in every business ranking that has been done since i have taken governor. Were at our highest ranking ever. Weve turned the state around. When you look at what was going on postkatrina, many were wondering if they could come back here decades of outmigration. Eight different credit upgratsdz. Our last Credit Rating in texas and fewest state employees in decades. We measure success by how people are doing in the reeld world not the government sector. A lot of politicians, republicans and democrats, dont like that but thats how we measure success. Well see you on the campaign train. Governor jindal, thanks for coming on meet the press. Stay safe on the trail, sir. Thank chuck. Coming up how ten days in june have cemented president obamas legacy. 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Hit after hit favoring a progressive tie. Highlighting the divide between urban and Rural America. It all started wednesday when congress decided to hand president obama a big victory when it comes to trade by paving the way for the Transpacific Partnership trade deal. But a third of americans overall in our latest poll said free trade hurts the United States. But in Rural America, the view on trade is even more pessimistic. Half say trade hurts. Many Rural Americans pine for the day when a small factory was the local economic engine. Of course, those days are long gone. Thursday came the Supreme Courts ruling upholding subsidies in the Affordable Care act. When it comes to the Health Care Law as a whole the country is evenly split. In Rural America, no waffling. Twothirds say the law needs to have major changes or be scrapped all together. And then on friday the court ruled samesex marriage legal nationwide. Guess what . A majority of americans supported the action that the court took except in one area of the country, Rural America, where support sits just under 50 at 46 . Many in Rural America may look at this week and say america changing in ways they arent ready to embrace. If history is any guide, theres going to be a backlash to this rapid social change. Or is the backlash temporary . The answer could come during the president ial campaign. I want to bring in the panel. Newt, in some way your political career was a product of the first backlash conservative moment of the silent majority. Where is this going . First of all, issues change and topics change. President wants us to be deeply concerned about poor children getting a decent education. The city of baltimore spends 130,000 a year for every student who passes the eighth grade math test. Yet theres not a single democrat whos prepared to fundamentally reform the school system. 78 of the country said last week they would be for a candidate who wants major change in the federal government. No democrat is going to run a major change. You would have a madison, wisconsin, uprising on the part of the unions. If the issues next year become whos prepared to reshape the federal government, i think the democrats are in big trouble. If it stays on social ydz issues youre telling the Republican Party, no matter what the rural base, dont pander them . , no the rural base is deeply opposed to the irs being totally incompetence and the Veterans Administration unable to serve veterans. Preferably iff youre a conservative, 60 or 70 . Thats reagan lesson pu cannot rub with 51 issues and expect to one because they will strip away 6 . You can run with a 70 or 80 issue because no matter what the liberal meet yeah does they cant bring you down. More from the panel, very short break. First a reminder, if you cant be in front of your tv to see meet the press live. No problem. Were always vanl on demand. You want to pause us as well, catch graphics perfectly and really triplecheck our facts there. Even if its not sunday, when its on the dvr, its still meet the press. Well be back for our end game segment and a new perspective on president obamas legacy. Announcer stay tuned for you set rules around the house, right . So set rules for your kids when they go online dont be a cyberbully. No racy selfies. And remember everyone can see everything you post, even grandma. Rules keep kids safe online. The more you know. Announcer time now for meet the press end game brought to you by boeing. With a drive to build Something Better inspires us every day. Its end game time and i want to start with something candidate obama said in 2008. Kathleen parker, he said he compared himself to reagan and not clinton. At the time, it was needles of bill clinton during the primary campaign. He said Ronald Reagan was transformational. He moved the whole country to accept conservativism, shifted the country to center right. He wanted to be a transformational president. On social issues i would say this week we made a dramatic shift to the centercenter left. Barack obama transformational . Well, his administration is certainly transformational. I dont know that he gets all the credit for that. I think the credit has been moving along for 30 40 years toward these more liberal social positions. Frankly in reaction to the overreaction of the right of the religious right and the beginning with the moral majority. I think hes he certainly does get it certainly does line up in his column these more progressive positions have occurred under his watch. And this week for heavens sake has a president ever had a week like this . No. The white house is saying that. Its interesting right after the midterms there was this, boy is he a lame duck or dead duck type of conversation when it came to the last two years of his presidency . And he sort of took a he says, fine executive action, do things unilaterally. This is the presidency many progressives were upset they didnt see in the first two years theyre happy about now. Hes a very happy duck let me put it that way. He has a lot to make things go guard. And i think back to when Ronald Reagan was running when i was able to vote. There are a lot of reagan democrats because he had an idea, something new, transformational. This president has something new transformational. I think were moving in the right sdrigs dringz. Hes not a duck. Hes a phoenix. If we give credit to reagan, we have to give the credit to obama and represents a growing consensus about what it might mean to be an american by redefining the bound are yousaryies of acceptable. Obamas legacy is put forth and can be used as end game. He was down third quarter, and now shooting threes, steph curry. The age of obama, we have the reagan era, the obama era i think obama has an enormous investment in the 2016 president ial campaign because he could be Franklin Roosevelt and change things permanently or he could be Woodrow Wilson and within two or three years have an amazing part look, Ronald Reagan needed h. W. Bush to win that third term. Barack obama needs Hillary Clinton for the same thing. I have a little fun thing for everybody here. Its on superpacs. One backing Carly Fiorina had to change its name from carly for america to carly for america. According to federal election rules, a superpacs name cannot include the cant date they support. Jewish Americans Group supporting ted cruz called jews for cruz and had to change their name. Carly became this conservative, authentic, responsive for you. So you can be an acronym but not the name, pretty clerver. Cant use jews for kriz how about jews for conservative republicans understanding zionism for america. Hillary clinton, want to rename your superpac. You might like this one. Marco rubio, the easy one, making america really conservative okay . For america. Want ab absurdity of the fec. You laufd at. Thats all for today. Well be back next week because if its sunday, its meet the press. Also a plane crashes into a home where four residents survive, but the passengers werent so lucky. A shark attack this weekend, beach goers turn the tide and catch a sevenfoot bull shark and bring it to shore. Another set back for spacex after a