And those trump promised in april to keep carrier jobs in the u. S. Were not going to let carrier leave. He actually said this week, while announcing that half those carrier jobs will stay, that he did not except to be taken literally. I said, carrier will never leave. But that was a youve mix. The idea he is not fully accountable for his words became a campaign trope. The voters take donald trump seriously as a k7candidate. As trump shifts from campaigning to governing his words will have legal, diplomatic, political and National Security implications. As past president s have quickly discovered. The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein sought significant khquantitiesf uranium. You like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. Trump learned that words matter. After he broke with decades of diplomatic precedent and took the first call from taiwan by a u. S. President elect since 1979. A angering the chinese. Indians are befuddled after trump called pakistans Prime Minister a terrific guy and promised to visit the country. When can u. S. Allied, enemies, members of congress and voters take trump at his word . Nbc counted 141 distinct shifts on 23 major policy issues during trumps 511day white house run. During the campaign, trump said he was going to repeal obamacare. Now he is promising to keep the most popular elements of the law intact. During the campaign, trump pledged to dump the paris clie malt agreement. We will cancel this deal so that our companies can compete. Now he says he will keep an open mind. During the campaign, trump promised to end pay to play politics in washington. Drain the swamp. Now, former governor sarah palin is calling the carrier deal crony capitalism. Ultimately, Donald Trumps success may depend on how literally his supporters take his promises. Politicians are always saying they want to drain the swamp and get rid of lobbyists and cast their briefcases into the pa tomorrowic. They expect him to put the lobbyists in their place. Joining me now is the vicepresident elect of the United States, and still governor of indiana mike pence. Mr. Vicepresident elect, welcome back to the show. Good morning. Good to be here. Let me start with some Foreign Policy and the issue with taiwan. Does the president elect intend to break with one china policy . I think the conversation that happened this week with the president of taiwan was a Courtesy Call. She reached out to the president elect and he took the call from the democratically elected leader of taiwan. Its one of more than 50 telephone calls that the president elect has taken from and made to World Leaders in the midst of a historic pace and cabinet appointments and senior appointments, building a legislative agenda, even traveling the cotry and saving 1,000 jobs in indiana. Its all a reflection of the energy and i think its the kind of approach that you are going to see him bring to challenges at home and abroad. So this was an intentional sort of challenge to the Foreign Policy establishment a little bit, to the u. S. chinese establishment . No. This was a Courtesy Call, the democratically elected president of taiwan called to congratulate the president elect. And as a gracious man nothing new should be read into it . Well, i dont think so. I think i honestly think that what World Leaders are finding, those that have reached out to the president elect, those that i have talked to i have talked to several dozen World Leaders. I spoke to King Abdullah yesterday. I think theres a great sense of enthusiasm and optimism around the world, because theyre counting in president elect donald trump they are upset about this. He is also going to be engaging the world on behalf of america. I Chinese Government is very upset about this. Do they have a right to be . Do you tell them, back down. You are overworrying . What is your advice to your counterparts to n china . I think i would say to our counterparts in china that this was a moment of courtesy. The president elect talked to the president two weeks ago in the same manner. It was not a discussion about policy. We will be preparing, after january 20th, to advance what will be president elect President Trumps agenda. Have you or the team or president elect trump reached out to the Chinese Government since this bubbled up . Not to my knowledge. Should we expect a call this week to calm the waters . Chuck, i wouldnt you know, i wouldnt expect so. To be honest with you, the waters here seem like a little bit of a tempest in a tea pot. Its striking that president obama would reach out to a murdering dictator in cuba and be hailed as a hero and president elect trump takes a Courtesy Call from a democratically elected president of taiwan and it becomes something of a thing in the media. I think most americans and frankly most leaders around the world know this for what it was. Its all part and parcel i think you are going to see in a President Donald Trump a willingness to engage the world. Here was a headline. Trump says ready to play role in resolution of issues. Let me ask you, is he offering to mediate border disputes i guess pakistan wanted to imply that, that he was offering to mediate border disputes between pakistan and india. There has been great tension between india and pakistan in recent days. Its resulted in violence along the cashmere region. I think what the president elect expressed in conversation with leaders from both countries was a desire for continued u. S. Engagement and building the relationship with both those countries. These are two nuclear powers. S president elect recognizes that. And making sure that they know that when this Administration Takes office, that we intend to be fully engaged in the region and fully engaged with both nations to advance peace and security. To be a mediator in deciding cashmere . I think in president elect donald trump you have someone who is prepared to advance americas interests here at home, to rebuild the economy, to fight for american jobs. But i think you are also going to see an energetic leadership in the world, prepared to engage and to look for ways that he can bring those extraordinary deal making skills to bear on lessening tensions and solving problems in the world. Are you guy using the state Department ForeignService Professionals when you use these phone calls, getting the okay, the protocol talking points that are not partisan but as you know sort of that have been accepted as sort of International Norms . Chuck, the president elect and i have had the privilege of receiving president ial daily briefs. We receive the formal daily briefings that come about during the course of the transition. And i know the president elect has been briefed as he has been making the calls. I saw a report that during his transition, president obama reached out to 22 World Leaders. President elect trump has already spoken to more than 50 leaders around the world. He has been briefed. Those have been courtesy conversations. But its all part and parcel of beginning the kinds of relationships that will allow our new president to advance americas interests in the world. Where are we on secretary of state . When donald trump did the thank you tour, there was chants of no romney. What did he make of that . Is mitt romney still a top tier candidate for secretary of state . I think what people are seeing in the transition, which is moving its outpacing all of his predecessors for the last 40 years. To be around donald trump as you know, having known him for a number of years, is to be around a man of Boundless Energy from literally the day after the election. Historical election where he won 30 out of 50 states, more counties than any candidate on our side since ronald reagan. We went right to work. My job, chairing the transition, has been to bring together the broadest range of men and women with diverse backgrounds for him to be able to choose these key positions. He has chosen over a dozen senior positions. Even before the end of november. With regard to secretary of state, we have been winnowing the list. It might grow a little bit. I think to talk to the president elect is to know he is simply looking for the best men and women to advance the agenda that we know will make America Great again. It does seem you heard early names and it keeps broadening out. What is it about the current field that he hasnt found yet . Its not a reflection of the current field. I think everyone that he has talked to and has been talked about, whether it be rude degy l giuliani or senator corker, john bolton and others bring extraordinary background and qualities to this. I think you are going to see i think you are going to see the president elect continue that process to ensure that as he has a vision for really reengaging the world with an America First agenda, advancing americas interests in the world economically and diplomatically, that he is going to make sure that he has the right person in that role just like he is in every role. Given how high profile the email situation was, the classified issue was for secretary clinton during the president ial campaign, how significant is the conviction against general patraeus in your thinking and the president elects thinking when it comes to secretary of state . First, let me say that general David Patraeus is an American Hero. Led forces in battle. He paid a price. Did he deserve to pay a price . He paid a price for mishandling classified information. You dont think that disqualified him to be secretary of state . I think that will be up to the president elect. The president elect will weigh that against a backdrop of an extraordinary career whether its as secretary of state or another role. It will be the president elects decision about the totality of general patraeus experience and background. But i first met general patraeus when he was commanding the 101st airborne in iraq. Then i saw him marshal the plan and the resources for what became the successful surge in iraq. He is an American Hero and he has our great respect. Let me ask you this. Define the phrase drain the swamp. People hear Different Things when they hear that phrase. What should the American People hear . What is your definition of draining the swamp . I think drain the swamp is a commitment by the president elect to once again have government as good as our people, to have a direction in washington, d. C. That isnt working for the Political Class and the lobbyists, isnt working for wall street but its working every day for the American People. Its one of the reasons why we set the policies even in this transition, you know, from the time the president elect asked me to take it over. We asked people that were active in the lobbying world to step aside from being involved in the transition. Were going to set into place a fiveyear ban on lobbying from the executive branch and a lifetime ban of anyone who serves in our administration from lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. Making sure we have people in the administration that are deeply committed to the president elects agenda to bring a renewed commitment to America First and americas interests first is what we mean. What do you say to people that look at the wealth of individuals being named to the cabinet and say that seems like a different type of swamp. The wealthy are well connected even if they werent washington players. What do you say to that criticism . I say what the president elect said the other night in cincinnati. He said, people have talked about some people that know how to make money being appointed to the cabinet. He said, its better to choose people who know how to make money than people that dont know how to make money. You look at the selections in this cabinet and those that have been named. These are people of extraordinary accomplishment. And they are people that are going to be able to bring the same caliber of intellect, the same quality of experience in the World Economy that our president elect is bringing. Were going to be able to go out there and fight for american jobs and fight for americas interests. Some conservatives not happy. When it comes to Donald Trumps cabinet, it makes the establishment in Goldman Sachs great again. This is the swamp draining trump. What do you tell mark levin . I would tell my friend, all of these appointees are signing on to the trump agenda. Whether it be the ethics reforms that were going to advance, whether there be our commitment to cut taxes, to roll back regulations, repeal and replace obamacare, were going to have a team that is ready on day one to work with members of congress to get this economy moving again and have america standing tall in the world again. Quickly, two more questions. On carrier, why isnt this pay to play politics . You gave a tax break some people could say you gave a tax break to carrier so that they would only send 700 jobs overseas. Sarah palin called it crony capitalism. Why isnt it . We were heartbroken in february when carrier announced they were pulling up and taking all of their jobs south of the border to mexico, closing factories in a couple locations in indiana. I asked them at that time whether or not the state of indiana could offer any incentives that are very routine in the competition for jobs in the country. They said, dont bother. We dont want to look at incentives. The only reason carrier is staying in the United States is because donald trump was elected president of the United States. The leadership at United Technologies and carrier this is a government intervening in the private sector . Why is this not government intervening in the private sector . First off, remember not more than 1,000 hoosiers have certainty in their jobs and in their futures going into this Christmas Season because of the leadership of donald trump. 700 dont. I couldnt be more grateful for that. 700 dont sglt peop. I know the glass is half empty. Its not about the media. What you saw the media hitting the media is a crutch for you guys. Its not about the media. Its not a crutch. Theres 700 what do you say . Here is the bottom line. I was in the room when he made the call. What the American People have now in donald trump is someone who will be a champion for the american economy. He said to the leadership of the company, were going to cut taxes. Were going to roll back the regulations that are driving Companies Just like yours out of the country. Were going to renegotiate trade deals so that they put american jobs and American Workers first. He just asked them very respectfully to reconsider their decision to leave. As governor of indiana, i couldnt be more proud and more grateful that now more than 1,000 americans have certainty in their economic future. More than 1,000 jobs even before he becomes president of the United States. I think its just the beginning. Stay tuned. Be ready. Donald trumps going to be fighting for american jobs, a champion for the american economy. Thats all the time we have. Would love to have more time with you. Im guessing that will come in the future. Thanks for coming in. Thanks. Coming up, with emotions still raw, are Clinton Campaign staffers being sore losers . And are the trump folks being sore winners . Sore winners . We will bring together top you can fly across welcome town in minutes16, or across the globe in under an hour. Whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites provide earth with unlimited clean power. In less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across the universe and beyond. And if you thought that was amazing, you just wait. Because it knew an ordinary wastissue was near. Ar. The fiery tissue left her nose sore and red. So dad slayed the problem with puffs plus lotion, instead. Puffs have pillowy softness for dakotas tender nose. With lotion to comfort and soothe when she blows. Dont get burned by ordinary tissues. A nose in need deserves puffs, indeed. Now get puffs plus lotion in the squeezable softpack. Welcome back. The panel is here. Heather mcghee, amy walter, Andrea Mitchell and rich lowry. Andrea, lets start with, why isnt Donald Trumps tweet about this right . We gave all this money to taiwan. Everybody makes a big deal over a phone call. The average american sitting out there going, this seems like the typical washington thing that Means Nothing to my life. It wont mean anything until something goes really bad with china, economically or militarily. Look, this is arguably the most important relationship that the u. S. Has. There has been no call, no conversation it doesnt matter who made the call. The point is the conversation happened. And even here someone as careful as mike pence referred to her as the president of taiwan. Thats a no no . Thats a no no of the one china policy devised articulated and finalized by jimmy carter. It has been bipartisan. The chinese are ripped, but they are trying to seize