An agreement or an outline before that. But, david, one of the points id make is the fact that this is news, is news in itself because it shouldnt be news that the president is reaching out in a bipartisan fashion to try to solve problems for the country. It just shows you he is moving in the right direction, im proud of him for doing it and i think its a great thing but it shouldnt be news. What about the substance of it, though, senator coburn . What did you hear this week . Where are some of the discussions going that give you an actual path toward a real solution thats been illusive on a big budget deal . Well, i think the one thing i heard is the first indication is the president is going to Start Talking to the American Public about the problem. I mean we all know that you put in 1 for medicare and get out 3. 30. We understand that. But nobody has ever talked to the American Public about that. Nobody has led on that issue as far as a president wanting to change it. So im welcoming with open arms. I think the president is tremendously sincere. I dont think this is just a political change in tactic. I think he actually would like to solve the problems of the country and it would be to his benefit and certainly every americans benefit if he did that. So its time to start leading. The way you do that is quit poking your finger in peoples eyes and Start Building relationships. I think hes got a great chance to accomplish a big deal. Senator kaine, i dont want to just focus on tactics, i want to focus on news and developments, where in the budget deal is there room for compromise . David, first i think it is important to look at the steps that all the sides are taking toward one other. So at year end, much not to like about the bush tax cut deal but it was compromise. The house early in the year decided they werent going to use the threat of repudiating debt ads leverage anymore. That was positive. The senate said well write a budget again. I think this week youre going to find us working out an fy13 budget. Weve been working off the cr because we wouldnt reach an agreement. Youll see both sides work that out and youre going to start see both houses put out their budgets, laying out visions for how to keep the economy strong and also deal with the deficit. The two house budgets will be different. We put our paychecks on the line if we dont pass budgets by midapril, well all stop getting paid. Then well have a conference where we can put the two visions on the table. But i do agree with what tom said. At the end of the day well have to find a balanced solution and it will involve all elements. It will involve talking about revenues, talking about expenses, talking about entoitlementes. We have to do that. Joe scarborough is an elder statesman in your party in many ways. I know, i cant believe i just said that. But somebody whos trying to think differently about the party and where it goes. Why the change . Here was the president earlier this year being asked about socializing with congress but about reaching across the aisle, about trying to form different kinds of coalitions. This is what he said then. I like Speaker Boehner personally. And when we went out and played golf, we had a great time, but that didnt get a deal done in 2011. But now it changed. Now hes trying Something Different. Why . Why do you think hes changing it up . Hes been here long enough to figure it out. To figure out that actually the things that he brushed aside, schmoozing or golfing or that special sauce that he was talking about, he understands that governors like tim kaine and governors like Chris Christie have to do that every day. Hes known tom coburn for a very long time. Hes starting to talk to tom again. I think thats very important. But it matters. I always go back to the 1990s and talk about the fact i remember the first time i met erskine bowles. I said, man, i cant stand your boss, chief of staff for bill dlin. He said thats all right, congressman, he hates you too. Look what we did together. We didnt care for the president , the president didnt care for us. We didnt understand each other. Yet we balanced the budget for the first time in a generation, four years in a row for the First Time Since the 20s, welfare reform, tax reform. I mean youve got to do that. And i remember talking to bill clinton this past year, because David Axelrod this always made David Axelrod angry when wed talk about how bill clinton and congress got along. He said you impeached him and bill clinton said, yeah, but even on that day i was talking to Newt Gingrich on the phone about iraq and protecting the American People. Thats what we have to do today, even if the president doesnt Like Congress and vice versa. They can get along and put the countrys interests ahead of their own party. So lets talk to a couple of members of congress a little bit newer to washington. Congresswoman, again, if theres a negotiation thats going on in a slightly cooler atmosphere where were not in the middle of fiscal crisis, do you sense more inclination to get something done . Absolutely. I really see great opportunity here. For a few reasons. One is because you dont have these kind of created crises that are constantly happening. It creates an opportunity for those of us who have come here with a very clear mandate from people in our districts, both republicans and democrats, that we want to see action. We want to see you guys sit down, spend some time together and talk through things. And in order for that to happen, there has to be a basic level of respect, sincere discussion, listening and consideration. And there will be things, of course, we disagree on but there will be things we can agree on and thats really where the opportunity i see that lies ahead. But congressman, i would gather on some of this budget talk, particularly well, let me ask it this way. Is there any any ratio of spending cuts to tax increases that you could accept or vote for . Well, the president got over 600 billion worth of taxes at the beginning of this year. We know that this town has a spending problem. Were going to have record revenues in 2013, as the economics have already shown, the economists have already shown. So the bottom line is this, what can we do to bring spending under control . Weve spent it, we have record revenue this year. Its already been taxed. Now its time to reduce spending and get this country growing economically again. Senator coburn, this question of spending and even the impact of the sequester is something that youve taken on, on twitter and elsewhere where youre talking about sequester this. Youve identified lots of areas where spending can be cut. And this is where you disagree with the president who thinks that ultimately the sequester is going to have economic harm, that theres no way around it. Well, you know, thats just a difference of opinion. We need to give the president and his administration some flexibility with the sequester. But ive spent eight years looking at every spending item in the federal government, and we waste easily 200 billion a year in totally ineffective or duplicative programs. Im not going to stop peppering him. Ive got an drawerful of things to complain about when they say were not going to have enough people in the faa towers or were not going to get a ship refueled, ill show them all the stupid things they have done over the last two years that we can stop doing and do everything that we need to do in this country. Look, the real problem, david, is washington is dysfunctional, but its dysfunctional in a dysfunctional way. Members of congress and the administration agree on too much. We agree on spending money we dont have. We agree on not oversighting the programs that should be oversighted. We agree on continuing to spend money on programs that dont work or are ineffective. Basically we agree on too much. We need to move back and start agreeing about whats the longterm plan and how do we oversight this government to get real value of the things that are legitimate roles for the government for the American People. You know, i think tom coburn and i both wrote a book in 2004 separately without knowing about it complaining about in 2004 how republicans were spending too much. Weve gotten to where weve gotten because, as tom said, both sides have agreed for too long over the past decade on the same things. Spending a lot of money without paying for it. You know barack obama, ive got to say, and i agree with tom again, i think a great sign is that the president is now talking privately about medicare and the crisis that we face in medicare, because remember during the state of the union he said, oh, we can make some modest adjustments to medicare. Go back and see what he said in 2006, 2007, 2008. Where he said medicare was the real crisis. Social security was the real crisis. He said we were stealing from future generations. If the president will talk about that, if we will get a grand bargain thats going to take care of the generational theft thats going on, republicans will agree congresswoman, the president hasnt talked about it. The president has been talking about it, hes been talking about it with Republican Leadership but ultimately has not been committing to anything that even his own party could agree to and in some ways has committed to some things the party disagrees with. Exactly. I think thats why its important that, first of all, these conversations are happening. I think frustration by the American People and frustration by members of congress as well have stemmed from the fact that a lot of these debates have taken place on tv or on the house floor and not had very meaningful discussion. So we can figure out areas that we can agree on, areas that senator coburn has identified, wastes within medicare that we can agree needs to be cut, issues like Prescription Drug negotiations for medicare to bring the costs down. I think everyone agrees that the rising costs of health care is the driver, one of the main drivers but how do you react to your own colleague who is saying, as many conservatives do, were done. Were done on revenue. Thats why i keep asking this question. Theres really no ratio, no matter how much there is of spending cuts, that republicans, your chamber will agree to in any new revenues, even if it comes from tax reform. How do you bridge that divide . I think thats where we have to be creative and talk about what are the options out there. We talk about making it so that medicare can negotiate with these Prescription Drug companies. That right there is on average around 14 billion a year. We look at some of the major tax loopholes that exist. Again, i appreciate the work that senator coburn has done and read a lot of it to see where are these areas that we can agree that we can cut back. David were working on a budget right now. If were going to talk about spending and we need, to an as a governor i had to cut a lot of spending, we have to look at spending through the tax code as well. Senator coburn has done some really good work to point out we are giving away in the tax code 1. 3 trillion a year in the series of loopholes, deductions, credits, exceptions. If you just reduce that loophole amount by a modest percentage, then you can find a pall balancy and many in the senate are up to that. If youre in the senate and you go home for town Hall Meetings and youre already talking about raising taxes again, people are going to say, wait, hold on a second, you already raised taxes once this year. And then you cut defense spending. And the president is still saying we dont have to do anything about medicare, about medicaid, about Social Security . Im sorry, its the president s move. He needs to say publicly and give congressmen and congresswoman, hes got to give them some cover and the president wont do that publicly. When he does, then anything is possible. And for the past two months weve been going through the fights over the sequester acrosstheboard spending cuts. The American People saw their tax increases by 2 . Nearly 80 of households across this country saw their taxes increase by 2 , some far more than that. Now government is just asking itself to reduce its spending by a little over 2 and yet that has been a paralyzing fight in this town. Time will tell whether this overture, whether the president s attempt to rebuild relationships or to in many cases build relationships with congress for the first time is truly genuine. I hope they are. But the last time we witnessed paul ryan be invited to a speech that the president was giving before the American Public, he then turned around and chastised m. The last time we went over to the white house, the president lectured us. So i hope that hes genuine but i dont think were going to be doing the harlem shake any time soon together. I think we can use that chance to see what will happen. The big issue, though, we can ask the president to do more, but the only fix of congress is congresss to fix. Most americans dont look at the presidency and say its broken or the Judicial Branch is broken, but they do look at congress and say that its broken. So that means its up to cory, tulsi, tom and me and our colleagues to finally get off the gimmicks, the sequesters, the crs, the super committees and get back to regular budgetary talks. Senator coburn, i want to go back to you. Im struck by your line that washington cant even get dysfunction right. But there is also a tendency to hand wring in washington, talk about how bad it is. And i remember one of the more contentious things i covered back in the senate, and that was in 1856 in the kansasnebraska act when there was an actual caning and we have the image of it, a caning on the senate floor and this contentious debate. Sumner involved, of course, and there was a speech that was critical of someones cousin and there was a caning on the senate floor. You fast forward and what gets attention these days is the use of the filibuster. Here was rand paul this week on the drone policy, heres a piece of what he did. I rise today to begin to filibuster John Brennans nomination for the cia. I will speak until i can no longer speak. I will speak as long as it takes. And it was 13 plus hours. He got pretty high marks actually. Hes a rookie. 13 hours . Come on there was some bipartisan support at least for the use of the filibuster. Are we really as bad as we say we are, senator . No. But the first thing you heard was because he filibustered and he actually did it the way they want him to do it, they actually go out and spend the time to speak complaining about the filibuster again. Look, adams talked about and madison talked about the tyranny of the majority. The reason the senate is designed the way it is, is to make sure that minority rights are always protected. And, you know, quite frankly, as weve gone from a little bit of being spoiled when you have 60plus senators to not getting your way every time and then when the rules are used to actually create an issue that is important to a senator like rand paul and spend time on it, i think was very regardless of what you think about the issue, its very important American People see the human side and the issues and the debates about important whether its a civil liberty or whether its an issue on spending, that we actually spend the time to do it. You know, the senate spends 70 of its time in a quorum call, which is nothing positive. So i think this was a great opportunity for a young, new sophomore senator to make his point and he got a lot of support for it, whether you agree with him or not. Thats what the senate was designed to do is to actually come out there two members of congress who were not actually around after the attack of 9 11, you werent in congress yet. And this whole debate about drones and president ial power. Would you as members of Congress Like to see congress have a real debate about whether the president still should have the same level of authority he has in the realm of executive power, national security, to fight this war on terror, as president bush got from congress . Should congress have the guts to step up and have that debate . Id like to see a real debate on many things in congress, especially this issue. The i think the authority of the president when it comes to war powers, actions in iraq, iran, whats happening in the United States with drones and the failure of this administration to answer senator pauls questions in a timely fashion. And so i would like to see that debate and i think Congress Needs to reinsert itself into its constitutional role. As a veteran, congresswoman, do you think the president should have all the authority that president bush first received after 9 11 . This is an area where cory and i agree. We have a great responsibility in congress, and from my background and my experience, obviously come in with a firsthand perspective on the value of these counterterrorism tactics and strategies during a time of war overseas in enemy territory, and that being the appropriate place for them, not here on american soil. And it is our responsibility to hold hearings because its an important discussion that the American People are very concerned about, as are we, and we have to set the parameters for what the measures will be. I actually thought that was one of the highlights of what ive seen coming out of the senate in quite some time, where you had somebody going on the floor, and it wasnt about tactics, it was about an issue that matters a lot to a lot of us. You know, ive been concerned for some time that the president has been able to have drone attacks. Again, with very little supervision. The New York Times reported hes got a kill list. He decides who hes going to target and who hes not. You not only had an american citizen killed overseas, you then had an american citizens son killed overseas while he was at a restaurant. The response as to why he was killed from a white house official was because he should have had a better father. This is problematic. And when rand paul asks does the United States and asks eric holder, does the United States have the right to kill an american citizen on american soil with a drone, and the white house drags their feet, thats really problematic. I think rand paul did a great service. Let me get in, i have about a minute left and i want to bring in another thing that has to do with tone, my conversation with jeb bush. And we talked about the tone that a president can set, but it also speaks to whether and how the Minority Party should compromise at this particular juncture. Let me show you a piece of that particular interview. Isnt it interesting, though, youre sitting at the Reagan Library as we talk today. And yet the president you speak of, raised taxes, was for Immigration Reform that a lot of modern day conservatives would find quite distasteful. Could he exist . Could he get elected in Todays Republican Party or would he be seen as a liberal . He also stopped the advancement of the federal governments overreach. He cut taxes in a dramatic way. He found Common Ground to extend the life of Social Security. He did all this in a way that didnt violate his principles, but he was he also didnt try to demonize his opponent. He embraced them. He embraced his opponents, and because of that found a lot more Common Ground. So the climate was different then than it is today, but we could restore that climate. I think that would be very positive for our country. The rest of that interview coming up in a few minutes. Senator kaine, i think its an appropriate note to end on. Does president obama learn from that . I think he does. Look, i think this has been a good discussion and im seeing it in the senate now. Dont demonize your opponents. Stand up for your piuyour princ. But virginians tell me everywhere i go, just go to washington and make a deal. However the deal is cut. If you can compromise and Work Together with the other side, i had to do it with two republican houses when i was governor, and thats what we all ought to be doing together. Hey, spring is in the air. Senator coburn, is there Something Different . I know youve been critical of the president for demonizing republicans. Do you sense anything is different . Im not just talking about one dinner, but im talking about different portals for discussion and compromise. Well, i think you know, i think if you sit back and look at where we are and the problems in front of us and whether or not this president , my friend, is going to lead the country in solving problems that will make a major difference in everybodys life ten years from now and for him not to do everything to try to solve that is ridiculous. So, you know, i think he gets it. And i think hes genuinely reaching out. But youve got a lot of youve got a lot of scabs and sores on people that its going to take a while for that to heal. And if were consistently reaching out and consistently working, people in the senate the senate is not near as dysfunctional as its made out to be because theres great relationships in the senate. Our problem in the senate is the leadership of the senate, not the members of the senate. Im going to have to make that the last word. Thank you all very much. To be continued and i appreciate your comments this morning. Can you believe he could only go 13 hours . 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From politics to a new pope, around here when we talk about covering an election, were usually referring to primaries and caucuses, but next week its all about the conclave. Late last week the vatican announced that the process to elect the next pope will start tuesday. It wont be the electoral college, per se, but the college of cardinals. After celebrating mass at st. Peters basilica, the 117 cardinals that are eligible to vote will process to the Sistine Chapel where they will sit and pray before casting their ballot. The magic number here is 77, which is a twothirds plus one majority. The voting can stretch over several days, including a pause for prayer after every third day. For Pope Benedict it took four ballots over two days. The first sign that new pope has been selected, white smoke from the chimney. Coming up here, my interview with jeb bush and the debate that facebook executive Sheryl Sandberg sparked about women in the workplace that has so many people talking. 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After all, whats the point of talking if you dont have something important to say . Yeah, thats the book right there, lean in by Sheryl Sandberg that has a lot of people talking. Youre talking about it, were talking about it and im going to do it with author of why women should rule the world, dee dee myers. Former adviser to the 2008 mccain president ial campaign, republican strategist, Steve Schmidt. Ruth marcus and author of the book life equity, realize your true value and purr sewer your passions at any stage in life, marsha blackburn. Ive got great advice on leading this discussion from my wife, beth, who says just keep quiet and let others speak. So i want to raise this, and i think the thing that struck me as i really followed this this week, look at Time Magazine where Sheryl Sandberg is on the cover. Whats the headline, dont hate her because shes successful. Facebook Sheryl Sandberg and her mission to reboot ffem nism. Dont hate her. Right. As we were saying dont hate nobody would ever say about a man dont hate him because hes successful. Look, nature loves a good cat fight and she is attractive, she is smart, she is young, shes impossibly rich and impossibly successful. Whats not to get the claws out. And i blame actually for a change us women, because she said something provocative. She said something worth debating, but why is it that we need to debate it by sort of acting as if we passed around a note in Junior High School saying, hey, everybody, lets be mean to sheryl today. Why is the instinct, congresswoman, for women to be resentful of this sort of advice . Is it a sense that its incomplete . She doesnt get it . She comes from different circumstances . What, how do you describe that . I think that women are constantly pushing to get the recognition that they so rightly deserve. As we have talked, youve always got to be twice as prepared as any man as you go into a room and participate in the debate. Im a huge cheerleader. Im so thrilled sheryl wrote her book. I am pleased that dee dee has done her documentary and done her book. And i like that ruth is out there talking about it and steve supporting us. You know, i think that what women have to do is realize it takes all of us pushing and being that trail blazer, pushing through that ceiling, in order for others to come along on that path. Somebody has got to go first. Let me define as simply as i can what i think the major thrust of this advice is from Sheryl Sandberg. What does leaning in mean . She talks about it with Norah Odonnell on 60 minutes over on cbs this evening. Heres a piece of that. They start leaning back. They say oh, im busy, i want to have a child one day, i couldnt possibly take on any more. Or im still learning on my current job. Ive never had a man say that stuff to me. Youre suggesting women arent ambitious . Im not suggesting women arent ambitious. Plenty of women are as ambitious as men. But i want to say it unequivocally and unapologetically that the data is clear that when it comes to ambition to lead, to be the leader of whatever youre doing, men, boys outnumber girls and women. So the point is that women, she argues, lean back too often, too early. They dont lean in, they dont demand that seat at the table. My understanding is to say, look, shes saying ignore what male colleagues or this message that theyre sending you. Ignore a lot of the societal messages about leaning back as a woman an really lean in here at work, in your career, whatever you want to do. I think one of the things she does, were all very familiar with the external obstacles to womens success. One of them is that you expected to be twice as good. Buts what she really focusses on because she acknowledges every single one of those, but she is focusing on what are the internal obstacles to hold women back. What do we do to ourselves. We know those are true too. Women dont raise their hand for promotion or dont raise their hand for office. I dont know why you ran but so many women think if i wait just a couple more years, if i become a little more of an expert on this policy issue, ill be ready to run when they are really ready and the men that are less prepared are already out there in the campaign. The women who think are talented and qualified are not promoting themselves and not doing what the men are doing in order to get that next big job so they need to do it. Women kind of wait to be invited. Correct. And men just push their way through. And i think that thats kind of the difference. And i think this is her big contribution to the debate, which is helping make us more aware of how we do this to ourselves. Granted the external obstacles. That were worried about looking rude at a roundtable if we interrupt somebody and in the sort of longer term we may be thinking about, well, what if, im an associate at a law firm and i might get married some day and i might have children. So and she talks about leaving before you leap. I think its really important but i think it also answers the question, david, of why its so controversial, which is this is something that hits all of us close to home. If were deciding to stay home with our children, we could feel criticized by this, so that is not her intention. If we dont have the flexibility or the luxury of choosing to stay home, which most women dont, theyre working because they need the paycheck, we could feel credit sized and resentful of her. So because shes talking about something that really hits at the core of our beings is why the hate word comes in. Let me bring steve in on this. Poor steve. No. We have a voice in this, at least some perspective on it. In the political realm you worked closely with sarah palin. One of the things that strikes me about sarah palin, here was a conservative woman that was a relatively new governor and she jumps into this huge new level of president ial politics, and she was living a life that rarely Sheryl Sandberg is advocating. Her husband, todd, was by her side, a true partner in what they were doing and totally supportive in a way that Sheryl Sandberg says youve got to have in a partner if youre going to be able to lean in and be successful in the way that she was. Absolutely. And todd palin was a full partner, a great partner. He was in a lot of ways in my view a person who made her career possible as a gubernatorial candidate, a governor, ultimately as a Vice President ial candidate, but i think thats true in any successful marriage, whether it is the fully supportive female partner or the fully supportive male partner. The reality is, is no one knows what goes on in anyone elses marriage. But for there to be success, for there to be happiness on this one lap around the track we all get, you want to have full partnership. I think in any organization where women are not at the table, where it is skewed male in todays day and age, thats an organization thats deficient. Thats an organization thats going to have problems. Its one of the problems we have structurally in the Republican Party. We dont have enough women at the table. But any company, any organization in todays day and age that doesnt give equal opportunity to women, that doesnt advance women to the table is going to be an organization that has difficulty competing. And isnt that interesting, congresswoman, you talk about it. There is the culture in the Republican Party about the next in line. Well, women arent always the next in line. Well, thats exactly right. What women have to do is jump the queue. And sometimes that causes resentment from men and other women also, because if you are too aggressive or if you are outspoken in a manner that a man would be, then you are looked at as being too much for a women, but you do have to jump that queue because we have not had enough women stepping up to move to that national forefront and being on a national ticket. And you have to kind of make your way. You cant wait to be invited, you have to go back and build on the skill set that you have. As ruth is talking about. And then you have to have not only a supportive husband but a supportive family. One of the points that Sheryl Sandberg makes is that success correlates negatively with likability. The more successful you are, the less likeable you are. For a woman. For a woman, not for a man. Theres no problem being a successful man and women just have to bite the bullet on that cultural reality. But does that mean thats what the article points out, shes saying that women should act more like a man in the workplace . Well, no. I dont think thats what she says. I think what shes saying is you need to be aware of that negative correlation between success and likability and figure out your own way to navigate it. Youre interrupting me and that is very unattractive in a woman. Lean in. So once you point out that fact, that people correlate likability and success and say, hey, youre penalizing this successful person because shes a woman, it dhangz dynamic. So by talking about it, pointing it out to people you can begin to address it, which is important. And part of it is that some men are not comfortable, even in this day and age, theyre not comfortable with having a woman as a decisionmaker. And so that that kind of clouds the issue. How do men respond to this . I think theres an aspect in any workplace where, you know, men, if theyre in truly equal partnerships with their wives are thinking about their own schedules, sort of putting this on the agenda in some way. The other question i talk about with my wife is what is it that we want for our daughters . Do we want Sheryl Sandberg to be part of the spectrum of choices . We absolutely hope that this is somebody that you can become. Sure. You may choose to do something else, you may choose to stay home and raise kids and thats great too. But this is certainly someone that you should emulate. I have two daughters. I dont want there to be any limits on their horizons. I want them to achieve at the highest level of their abilities, to do whatever they want to do. My wife made the decision to give up her career to stay home with our children. I think thats admirable work, i think its to be admired. In our marriage, in our partnership, thats what works for us. But you dont want women to have any low horizons, that they are forced to make decisions because there are limits out there that have been imposed. And i think certainly for people of my generation, im 42 years old, weve been accustomed over my entire work life to working with women. And in the firm that i work for, women represent roughly half of the Senior Leadership of the company. Theyre vital to the success of the firm. And so i do think that when you look at you look at women in politics, you look at women in business, you look forward to the day when we will have a woman president and the Glass Ceiling is finally shattered, that there will just be more and more opportunities as the years unfold. Can i just ruth, do you feel like this has started something, and what is the it that it has started . Well, it has continued what i think of as the endless National Discussion about women and gender and the workplace and family. It started 50 years ago. I suspect that not us but somebody will be sitting here 50 years from now having the same conversation. Interestingly i asked my daughter who is a senior in high school, told her about this book and said do you think about balancing work and family when you think about life ahead . And she said absolutely, yes, i do. And i said do the boys in your grade and before i could get the words out of my mouth, no way, they dont think about it at all. I want to say one thing about sarah palin. You talked about jumping the queue. Yes, queue jumping is important, its really important that when women jump the queue they are ready to jump the queue and come with the background and expertise. Otherwise it sets everybody back. Final point here, marsha. Women bring a diversity of experience. They travel a very circuitous route in their careers and bring all of this wealth of information. Working with their children, working in schools, all of these to the table and that is why i think they are more effective Public Policy makers many times than their male colleagues. And you bright about that in your book and a good point to end on. Well continue our roundtable discussion and talk to jeb bush in a moment and get reaction revolutionizing an industry can be a tough act to follow, but at xerox weve embraced a new role. Working behind the scenes to provide companies with services. Like helping hr departments manage benefits and pensions for over 11 million employees. Reducing document costs by up to 30 . And processing 421 billion dollars in accounts payables each year. Helping thousands of companies simplify how work gets done. Hows that for an encore . With xerox, youre ready for real business. We are back and still talking about Sheryl Sandbergs book, but were going to move on and have to get this conversation going again, because theres a lot more to do. Earlier this week i spoke with former Florida Governor jeb bush, whos out with a new book aimed at tackling the controversial issue of immigration. Of course we talked about his political future as well. Heres part of that conversation. You write in your book, and its a fairly hard line, a grant of citizenship, and thats the important word, a grant of citizenship is an undeserving reward for conduct that we cannot afford to encourage. You got some tough press treatment in all of this, this week. Yeah. As you talked about your book, the miami herald, jeb bush reverses stance on immigration. No citizenship for undocumented. Jeb bush poorly timed flipflop on immigration, must take the uturn on pathway to citizenship. I reviewed some of the things you said before. Why did you change your view on this . First of all, my view has been in order to get comprehensive reform we could take either path, either a path to citizenship or a path to legalization. The important point is that Illegal Immigrants should not get Better Benefits at a lower cost than people that have been waiting patiently. So assume we pass the law this year, and i hope thats the case. Five years from now we should look back and there should be fewer people coming illegally because we have an open legal system. Both of those paths could create that as long as you change the rest of the system as well. So whats going on in the senate and in the house right now is very positive. I support what senators graham and rubio and mccain and plake are doing with their democratic counterparts. If they can find a path to get to citizenship over the long haul, i would support that. But this book was written to try to get people against reform to be for it. It is a place where i think a lot of conservatives should feel comfortable that theres a way to do this and not violate their principles. Its interesting, theres obviously a political component to this about who wants what kind of deal and what does it mean after we move forward. After romney lost a lot of hispanic vote and the Republican Partys problem with hispanic, one of the things that romney says to his donors after he loses is what the president s campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government, thaejd work very aggressively to turn them out to vote. That was with a Campaign Call with donors. Do you think theres a view and do you share it among republicans that to allow Illegal Immigrants who are now in this country to become citizens would in effect be able to create all new democratic voters that would deeply hurt the Republican Partys chances of Winning National elections . No, i dont believe that. I mean if you look at asian americans, for example, in general they have higher income than the median of our country, more intact families, more entrepreneurship, higher levels of education and they supported president obama 7524. Higher margins than with hispanics. I think theres a problem thats a little bit bigger and it goes back to my belief that we need to be offering a compelling alternative. An alternative that says that the lack of social mobility needs to be addressed not by higher taxes and more government, but giving people the tools to rise up and to be successful. That an Opportunity Society is the path that we should be on and that aspirational message could convince a lot of people that right now are supporting a more stasis kind of approach. But we have to have the alternative. We have to actually advance the cause of freedom and of entrepreneurship and of building capacity so people can freely pursue their dreams as they see fit. Should it be disqualifying for a candidate in the future if they have hired an illegal immigrant . Should that disqualify their run for office . I dont know. Thats a thats above my pay grade. I would hope that people try hard to make sure that they hire legal workers. Its the law. In 1998 your father wrote a letter where he talked about your winning as governor of florida made it quite clear that you were without any doubt going to become a Major Political figure in the country. I, of course, know the family by covering your brother in the white house for eight years. And the joke, i dont know if its true, was always that your mom always thought it was going to be you before it would be him that would be president. Do you think about not disappointing mom as you think about a run for Higher Office . I dont know what my moms view on this im not going to ask her either because i dont want to begin the process to think about it until the proper time to do so. Im proud of my family. My son is running for statewide office in texas. Now i know what my dad feels like when he wrote those letters about george and i. How about the legacy of the bush presidency, youll be part of his library thats opening. Its hard to imagine that hes to the point of having a president ial library, but here he is. How do you think views are emerging about the bush presidency, the second bush presidency . Well, its hard to see. I can only attest to how people view my dad now. A lot of his accomplishments were overshadowed by the 92 election. And over time, people began to view my dad in a different light than they did shortly after his tenure as president. Now i think everywhere i go, at least, hes a beloved guy. For good reason, pause hes a spectacular human being and his four years as president , a lot of amazing accomplishments took place. So my guess is that history will be kind to my brother the further out you get from this and the more people compare his tenure to whats going on now. I think history will be kind to george w. Bush. Governor, before i let you go, whos the hottest florida politician right now . Is it you or marco rubio . Who will we be more likely to see in the white house . Man, you guys are crack addicts. You really are obsessed with all this politics. Ive been called a lot of things marco rubio is a great guy. Okay, heroin addicts, is that better . Put aside the politics for a moment. Weve got big challenges. Marco rubio to his credit is working on those and he deserves a lot of credit for it. Im very proud of him. More questions for a different day. Governor bush, thank you. Take care. We cant put aside the politics, just not possible. Steve schmidt, interesting week for 2016 potential candidates. We put them on our cork board, everyone from rand paul and en jeb bush. A lot of activity. How did jeb bush come out of the gate if thats what this was . Well, he had a rough week politically because he reversed his position on immigration, but it wont matter in the long run. Hes not the first politician to do a flipflop, you know, getting ready for a president ial run. But its important to remember hes always been a voice of reason on this immigration issue. Hes always been a voice of reform. Hes one of the deep policy thinkers in the Republican Party. He was an extraordinarily effective governor of the state of florida. And if he decides to run for president , he will be a very, very formidable candidate. What about rand paul . So much praise really, bipartisan praise for rand paul as really beginning something of a more youthful, grassroots conservative movement that could run end up being a run in 2016 . Well, it was fun to watch the filibuster. I thought he was filibustering about the wrong question. That he was filibustering about the notion that we could be sitting here and drones could rain down on us from the sky. Thats not the real question about droughns. The real question about drones is whats happening overseas, how much, where, what authorization, what legal basis. But it is nice to see a real filibuster and it is nice to and it just illustrates some of the divisions in the Republican Party. Social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, isolationists, neocons, and strong executive branch conservatives like george w. Bush versus get the government out of my business conservatives like rand paul. I really disagree. He did ask an important question and that is are there limits to executive power under our current war situation domestically. He got the wrong answer, an kwif cal answer from the white house. He doesnt know. He got a firm answer after he did this. But for sure i think rand paul arrived as a national figure. Congresswoman, i just want to change it slightly before i let all of us go here, which is ashley judd. Theres news this morning that she wants to run in kentucky to challenge mitch mcdonnell. She of course has residency in tennessee. How do you handle her prospects . She is one of my constituents. She is a friend of mine. And on election day in november, ashley and i stood at the polls and snapped a picture and tweeted it out. Could she win . It shows that people who have differences of opinion, if she runs, she will run hard. Knowing that family, they are very tenacious and spirited. Wow, how about that . Thats a fabulous nonanswer. Were going to leave it there and go to a break. Well be constipated . Yeah. Mm. Some laxatives like dulcolax can cause cramps. But phillips caplets dont. They have magnesium. For effective relief of occasional constipation. Thanks. [ Phillips Lady ] live the regular life. Phillips. Could lose tens of thousands of dollars on their 401 k to hidden fees. 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