And in last night's preseason game he started and I had 4 straight 3 and outs later today at a time and I fell exhibition with Oakland at the l.a. Rams 4 pm Eastern time the Raiders will be in the hell a callous even for the 1st time since they moved out after the 1904 season 7 n.f.l. Exhibitions total on the Saturday schedule currently the Jaguars lead $73.00 at Minnesota about 11 minutes to go 2nd quarter the Yankees have a 2 nothing lead bottom of the 2nd at home against the Toronto Blue Jays d.t. Chris goriest with a 2 run homer Luis Severino on the mound coming up at 4 pm Eastern Houston at Oakland I'm Steve to say good. 1 box for Saturday's gentlemen Steve Hartman and Sheldon Washington. Your sports your topic I'm going to lose it here. From the Geico Park Sports radio studio. Calvin Washington and on this Saturday Hartman in Washington with you coming alive for the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios 15 minutes could save you 50 percent of our car insurance is a guy good. For a free rate quote now we're talking plenty of canned f.l. And no better person to talk n.f.l. Than the ultimate insider here I'm on Sirius x.m. N.f.l. Radio you can follow me on Twitter at Alex Marvel as our buddy Alex Marvis is joining us where are you today Alex are you still in Jacksonville or where where are you now I am back in games Vegas 10. 10 training camp stops and 3 days of the Pro Football Hall of Fame I have seen enough for right now and I'm so used to obsolete obviously you see enough preseason football but I don't know about you guys I'm actually really enjoyed the preseason game so far this year just because of the work the quarterbacks and also Patrick my homes and getting to see some of these young guys I'll be honest with you know would be exceptional more Jackson who just hasn't really set the world on fire yet I think the 1st 4 quarters. X. The other 4 taken the 1st round look pretty darn good for this stage of their n.f.l. Career All right well the question down the road is I want to get to a Little Hall of Fame for a moment here Alex the seniors Committee announcing Johnny Robinson he was like Jerry Kramer somehow he slipped through the cracks he was a 6 time finalist during the eighty's should have been the Hall of Fame years ago he's alive and well be 80 years old next month a very happy with the selection of Jerry Robinson but I want to I want to get to quarterbacks for a moment here because we're we're always talking about quarterbacks we're talking about rookie quarterbacks before they get Milligan and quarterbacks while they're playing in quarterbacks when they retired you know I was even thinking about when I was a kid so many years ago 3 quarterbacks who were dominant quarterbacks I mean they were united states weren't star but they were really good quarterbacks a couple of them were League m.v.p. S. Who have never gotten a sniff from the Hall of Fame that would be John Haydel John Brodie and Roman Gabriel and I grew up a Gabriel fan growing up in Los Angeles he was a league m.v.p. Very successful and to me when I look at those guys I sort of look at a Philip Rivers and some of the current guys there aren't you know the obvious Hall of Fame quarterback is not Brady's not man he's not far be one of those guys I want to get your take as you're a member of this voting committee and the whole dynamic of the quarterback position because such a spotlight is placed on him good or bad how do you judge and I mean when you if you're sitting on the Seniors committee and you bring up a name like a Brodie or Gabriel or John Haydel What is your argument for or against guys like that well I mean the argument against probably Trent chips Right right I mean and that's that's one of the thing that works against you know it's weird because you mention those guys and you're right they were premier players at their position and I put more stock in quarterback it so it's a harder position to play than any other on the field right I mean you're responsible for so much and it's such an art to be able to not only be able to dissect a defense but be able to connect with your receiver throw a football hang in there you know knowing that you're likely going to get hit if you if you hold on to the football for more than 2 seconds and you know see. He got I would mention Ken Anderson and her in that same breath you know and he took a team to a Super Bowl but they fell short and you wonder sometimes is that the one thing that's keeping these guys out of it it's a strange do and I don't want to say that there's politics involved because you know I don't think that there is because if they do have a big enough committee that I think you know you have input from some of the players I think you asked their peers and if they don't have support among their peers people who think that they're particularly special then they're not going to get in you know what I mean I mean it became just interrupt for a 2nd or Alex one of the guys on your committee is Dan Fouts who never got to a Super Bowl but was a 1st ballot Hall of Famer He's actually on the voting committee so how much how much stock do you put in when Dan Fouts was talking about a quarterback Well I put a lot in because Dan Fouts has much out of it I know but that's only me personally but I will tell you this though when it comes to him you know he was one of those guys where you were just so much better you know what I mean that than everyone else around you in a lot of ways and what he did the innovation of football with the Chargers that he sort of personifies That's why I understand why he's in I look I'll make a strong argument for a lot of courts I'd love to see Steve McNair get in the room you know and but you know will people say oh well he didn't win a Super Bowl they were one yard short because of Kevin Dyson right getting stopped by Mike Jones one of the great defensive plays but we're talking about someone who did win the league m.v.p. Someone who was an innovator I think a lot of young quarterbacks you know model themselves after his style began as a running type quarterback evolved into a passing type quarterback I think grossly under rated I would love to see again I mentioned Ken Anderson get in the room I'm glad that they corrected this weekend Stabler he should have been a long time ago it's an interesting position as well because you know some folks and I would hope that I think that the whole voters have a keener I than this but you can't be blinded by the stats you know passing back in the sixty's and seventy's even the eighty's a different animal than it was during you know during the time you have now right I mean there's just a different type of game that you have but these guys are able to hang in there week after week show up heave the football downfield and connect while the receivers are getting mugged because of before the Melbourne all yeah I would say that those guys should deserve a look and look. And by the way one thing real quick on the star may be a clearing house an Oreo coming up in the next year or 2 as a Pro Football Hall of Fame prepares to celebrate its 100th anniversary maybe and you know and listen I wouldn't I wouldn't be sad if I saw this in or out and you just have one final vote that's right in or out what 67 guys up there in or out and then just and you know what I mean I had some of that idea right well you know I was I was actually going to ask you know Steve and I were talking about this with each other during the break can you help us for those listening who we went through the whole t.l. Saga year ago and now obviously of course and be again but just you're a part of this process what is the process I think the average listener the average football fan really doesn't get the process so just explain it because we just end up seeing the headlines t.-o. Not in and then everyone says what do you mean he's not in so what is the process like it's interesting you know because as a presenter look there's to me the presentation you know you can be persuasive when you when you come up with great stuff let me give you an example I'll name names here Ok Jeff like Walt of e.s.p.n. Was presenting Floyd Little and he pointed out he went back and actually watched the film and explained how Floyd Little was getting killed behind the line of scrimmage basically every time you touch the football yet he was always able to average 234 yards out of those carries and he was a he was a great player on a poor team you know it was a prank as if you know for those who don't know didn't even make the playoffs for their 1st 14 years of existence so Floyd Little Rabbit winning record I mean Floyd Little was special and he was able to present that case I think though the key to having a good presentation is to be prepared when people say Ok Why isn't this guy in the Pro Football Hall of Fame we know and cab would have reasons have ways to answer it you know Ok Terrell Owens he was you know Q.'s not being a great team and you get into that debate among some voters as well does that matter when it comes to voting for the Pro Football Hall of Fame I think it does I think that you know they say it has to stay between the lines where you're not talking about off field things but if you're not on the field because of something that you did related to football well that's going to figure into play in. I think about t.o. Getting suspended you think about interactions with teammates you know those types of things again not having a Super Bowl title I think that does play in with some of these guys but that's really what ends up happening you have this good debate among people you know and sometimes you do draw comparisons you know when we're talking to you oh we're talking Isaac Bruce as well you know we're talking to Randy Moss because they were also part of the class of 15 finances Here's how do they compare to them for those who say well I'm going to vote for one receiver I'm not saying that that's right but maybe some just say I'm not going to vote for 2 or 3 players at a certain position I was going to vote for one that's why the meeting takes more than 8 hours to get done there's a lot of good football talk in there regarding you know whether these guys are able to get in a by the way just because you don't get in for one year doesn't mean you can't get in the next year and I get it I know Steve you hate that kind that part of it hey I know that I know you do and trust me we've talked about of year after year but but you know eventually if you're in that room long enough you're going to get in because that's because also the hall doesn't make it like Ok if you get let's say there's $45.00 voters and $45.00 of us you know how to put it it's there's a limit as to how many people can get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame each year it isn't like we can all vote in 10 or 12 people at the hallways of requirement maybe we start to get a flood of people come in but as of right now you're limited to 5 modern era candidates and you start talking contributors and senior committee and that's what your class looks like each year and that is lead to the waiting list by the way seeing the contributors are going to now sir candidates on Thursday I'm rooting for Papel and I believe he does belong even with his current situation aside that has nothing to do with that thing he was an instrumental owner in this league and Gill branch Kamado my God Can we get Gil in there I mean he's literally the architect of modern scouting of n.f.l. Players how is Gilbreath not in the hall I can give you a couple answers on that I go Brent's not in the Hall of Fame because of the other 2 members of the Dallas Cowboys that are in and that's Tex ram and Tom Landry and you have basically the guy who is go branch Boston texture a move team president and you have Tom Landry and that's left Gil a little. On the sidelines his name has been coming up year after year as of late because his control is contributions keep going in the n.f.l. And he's I mean it's amazing already when I was a gal I was amazing a season the fatigue of all I mean that's the definition of the word with Gil Brandt and you know for Pat Bowlen you know this is interesting I'm so glad you mentioned this so that bones name has come up before writing conversation but now finally there's a good platform that has been developed by supporters of his with the Broncos explaining why Pat Bowlen should get in it's not just because the Broncos won games it's because oh well he serves on 15 different n.f.l. Committee Q They broke down those things and they explained that this really hadn't been out there until recently and that's part of that's another tricky part of the Hall of Fame presentation is well you've got to make sure you're present in the room truly believes in your case has truly been there homework I mean kudos for model so care of the Miami Herald one of the reasons Jason Taylor got in on the 1st ballot which stunned me and I covered Jason Taylor for 8 years every day is a Dolphins beat writer but he had a letter from Tom Brady and he went outside the box and Tom Brady said that Jason Taylor was the best defensive player that he ever went against during his time in the n.f.l. That carried huge weight with the voters so that's all part of it it's a weird koalas here of help get the Pro Football Hall of Fame I'm just trying to shed a little light on it Alex I rarely if ever do this is there any way we can hold you yeah no problem because I mean we got a lot of we do our An n.f.l. Ticket to right now with Alex Marvin as in the camps and everything else so we're going to continue with Alex Marvin is here Calvin because you Ok those d. Because I mean you were getting got excited about some of these Hall of Fame guys you mentioned I'm not you know I you know I kind of massage you know a little Nollie that I get this is a real passion of mine this is this you know I just I'm a historian you know I want to see proper representation when you're talking about the history of any game especially the National Football League more Alex Marvin is coming up next we can talk the talk you can call it. You Josh your lunatic rant I am now going to go into. 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