From abc news, its this week. Here now, coanchor martha raddatz. Hello, again. And happy fourth of july weekend. Four months to election day. Two weeks to the conventions. And the race for the white house is kicking into high gear. Both candidates are now vetting running mates. Decisions on Vice President s imminent. Hillary clinton is set to hit the trail hard this week with Vice President biden and president obama himself. All this as the clinton email investigation enters a dramatic final phase. Saturday, clinton spent 3 1 2 hours being interviewed at fbi headquarters. Voluntarily answering questions about that private server she kept while secretary of state. Donald trump complained that the system is totally rigged. Called for criminal charges against clinton. And he called bill clintons tarmac meeting with the attorney general stupid. Last night, determined to show shes carrying on as normal, Hillary Clinton showed up on broadway, backstage at the musical, hamilton with her husband by her side. We have fallout. We begin with Pierre Thomas and Senior National correspondent cecilia vega, who has been covering the clinton campaign. Good morning to you both. Lets begin with you, pierre. We know it was 3 1 2 hours. We know it was voluntary. What kind of questions would they ask her . Martha, i believe they wanted to know why secretary clinton set up this unusual email system in the first place. Who, if anyone, from the state department signed off on this. And whether there were any discussions about how the keep classified information off that private email system. The fbi investigation has gone on for many months. They want to compare what secretary clinton knows to what was found during the investigation. As you know, in order to indict, this would have to meet the Legal Standard of having mishandled classified information. Whats that standard . What is the likelihood Hillary Clinton or any of her aides will face charges . Its a pretty high bar. It cant just be that it was mishandled. You have to prove there was criminal intent to do so. The key here is, im told, that one of the reasons the investigation took so long is because the fbi went back and looked at the access clinton aides had to secure Computer Networks that contain classified information. They want to know if they took the information and emailed it to the secretary on her nonsecure private email system. They dissected everything. So how rapidly do you think they can wrap this up . She was likely the last person theyll interview. Theyre clearly in the final stages, im told. Justice Department Officials want this resolved before the conventions start in just about two weeks. Whether they make that deadline remains to be seen. I spoke to an official that was critical that this was being resolved so close to the conventions. Thank you very much, pierre. And cecilia, whats next for the campaign . What do they do about this . I think youre seeing the strategy play out in real time. Look at the timing of yesterday. The interview took place on a saturday morning, early saturday morning, over a holiday weekend. Hillary clinton, there were reporters camped out in front of her houses in d. C. And chappaqua, new york. And no one saw. There were no videos, no photos of Hillary Clinton going in or out of the fbi headquarters. Thats the last thing the campaign wanted, images like that. Her campaign is in damage control mode. The big week she has coming up. With president obama and joe biden, Vice President joe Biden Joining her on the campaign trail. Shes going to head to atlantic city, new jersey, to essentially taunt donald trump on his own turf. The campaign wants to change the narrative. Theyre hoping that as america is over watching the fireworks tomorrow night, so will be over the story about the fbi investigation that took place. But cecilia, you cover this campaign every day. You talk to senior officials. Do they not get how serious this is . How this looks to voters . You know what they get, martha. They get that trust and honesty is a huge problem for Hillary Clinton. If not the biggest problem facing her right now as she heads into this general election against donald trump. Even Hillary Clinton mentioned that issue. That shes got recently on the campaign trail in a rare moment of selfreflection. She said shes got a lot of work to do to prove to voters that shes willing to work hard to win their trust. That is the problem for her going forward, you know, shes clearly going to be working on that more. Im told by Campaign Sources that this issue of trust and selfreflection is something were going to hear a lot more of. The real problem is they may not be able to change all of these minds out there. You and i have spoken with the people around the country. Even Hillary Clinton supporters who say they dont trust her either. Thats what i saw, as well. Good luck to you out on the trail. For more insight, lets turn now to the Washington Post chief correspondent dan balz. Dan, you have a piece about this investigation in the post today about that impromptu meeting between bill clinton and loretta lynch. Calling it a striking error in judgment. Saying bill clinton made a mess, it was either out of foolish indifference or plain foolishness. But it has created a terrible moment for his wife and the democrats. For president obama and the perceptions of the integrity of his administration. Bill clinton is a veteran of campaigns. How did this happen . Its astonishing to try to figure out what was going through his mind when he did that, and on the part of the attorney general, as well. Particularly, if both knew, which they obviously must have, that she would be interviewed yesterday for this final interview in the investigation. The timing of it was bad. The optics of it were terrible. On both their parts. What they were thinking is inexplicable. I think its created a huge problem for her. Because as this goes forward, this just reinforces the inside nature, the coziness of the various participants in this. It will raise questions in the minds of people who are doubters from the beginning that this was anything other than an inside job. And donald trump is prepared to jump on that no matter what the outcome is. The attorney general said herself, this will cast a shadow over things. That she will accept the recommendations of career prosecutors. She said that was a decision she made months ago. Is that the right thing to do . Well, i think if youre the attorney general, you should be involved in this decision. I mean this is obviously, you dont want to interfere. You dont want political appointees interfering. But she is the attorney general. For her to say shell accept what comes up to her, seems to me, an abdication of the role of the attorney general in a case that is this important and this sensitive. You had eric holder involved in the general petraeus case. Yes, you did. He intervened in that case and changed the outcome of that. You know, i mean, you have a similar issue, frankly, martha, with the president of the United States. I mean, the president of the United States has endorsed Hillary Clinton. Hes going to be campaigning with her. It is as if he has prejudged the outcome of this. Now, the white house has tried to treat this . A sense as a routine case, which is to say, keeping their hands off. Staying away from it as far as possible. Yet, you do have the president having made a political decision to embrace her fully at a time when the outcome of the investigation is still not known publicly. And just quickly, dan, you said the republicans are already seizing on this. And donald trump, as well. It does have resonance. He said, its impossible for the fbi not to recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton. What she did was wrong. What bill did was stupid. I trust well hear a lot more about that. Im sure we will. I mean, even before the meeting between bill clinton and loretta lynch, the Trump Campaign saw this investigation as a winwin. Either shes prosecuted in some way, or if not, they would claim whitewash. You see trump warming up into moving in that direction no matter what happens in the outcome of the case. Thanks so much for joining us on this holiday weekend, dan. Enjoy the rest of it. Now for more on all this, we have top surrogates from both swing states of ohio and pennsylvania. Well talk to former pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum shortly. First, Ohio Democratic senator Sherrod Brown. Joining me from cleveland. I want to start with you with the major news this weekend. Are you worried about possible indictments coming from this case . Im really not. Thank you, ms. Raddatz for the question and for having me on the show. Im not worried about it. I see what secretary clinton hads done. Shes released 55,000 pages of emails. 31,000 different emails. Shes released her tax returns since 1977. Her health care records. Shes always been willing to talk to authorities. I think what the story is missing is all that we dont know about donald trump. He wont release his taxes. We dont have his Real Health Care records. He hasnt filled in any of the blanks in what hes going to do. We see every week or two, we see another story of a Small Business going out of business. Senator brown, i want to stay with these emails. I understand. But thats a contrast we need to make. Go ahead. I know you want to make the contrast. I want to stick with the emails. You sort of dismissed the possibility of indictments. Theyve been investigating this since i answered your question. Theyve been investigating this since august. You dont think any indictments are possible . I dont think that will happen. I gave you my answer. I dont think it will happen. I think the story needs to be that, in part, im not telling you how to do your job, of course, ms. Raddatz. And please call me martha. Look at what hillarys done. Whats that . Please call me martha. Okay, ill call you martha. Fine. We, certainly, its your job to explore all that you can about secretary clinton. But its also our jobs, including the clinton campaign, to find out more about donald trump. I think the more we know, elections are about contrast. I trust Hillary Clinton for a whole lot of reasons, in part, because i know how she started her career. Advocating for the childrens defense fund. She didnt go off to manhattan or washington to make a lot of money. I think shes followed that through the course of her career. I think that is part of the story, too. If there are no indictments. If she and her aides dont face any sort of legal action, has the meeting between attorney general lynch and bill clinton called into question the integrity of the process . No, i dont it was unfortunate. You have all made that case. And i think that others have made it, too. I wished it hadnt happened. I think the fbi will do its job. Ive seen the authorities in my career in the house and senate, ive seen federal authorities do their jobs regardless of political machinations. And political pressures sometimes. I fully expect them to. I think there wont be an indictment. I think that means she did what many secretaries of state have done in the past. She released more emails and more pages of emails and more records than any of her predecessorses as secretary of state, even before she was actually running for president. I think that speaks to her integrity. But this trust issue really does resonate out there. Ive been out in pennsylvania and your state, ohio, all this week. It goes to the heart of the problems Hillary Clinton faces. In West Virginia, in pennsylvania, ohio, she acknowledges she has a problem with trump. Voters see trump as more trustworthy in some of these places. Shes acknowledged the problem noting she has work to do on this front. What can she do to change this . Well, i first, you explain it. In part, when she left the secretary of states office, her favorable ratings, all the polling was very, very positive. Then the benghazi stuff started. The hearings. The majority leader, the republican majority leader of the house said those hearings were to bring her poll numbers down. We see whats happened. Once voters make the contrast that hillary has, in fact, been a very good public official, from her time as a lawyer to her time as first lady to her time in the senate to her time as now the most qualified person to run for president in my lifetime against a guy who has been a hypocrite in his business dealings. Made a lot of money off trade policy. Now he wants to be the guy against the trade agreements. I think that contrast is going to play. I know you spent a lot of time in the Mahoning Valley talking to voters in youngstown. I know what the auto rescue did for the Mahoning Valley. I know i the suit im wearing was made by Union Workers six miles from my home in cleveland, where we sit now. Donald trump outsources his ties to china. He outsources furniture to turkey. I know a company in ohio that could make that furniture. In archibald, ohio. I know companies in cleveland that could make the suits. Lets turn to trade. It did dominate the campaign trail this week. Trump accused clinton of selling out workers by supporting nafta and now tpp. Clinton fired back on his business record. You support Hillary Clinton. Listen to what you and donald trump have said about trade. Hardworking men and women who have made america the strongest nation in the world are betrayed by washingtons trade policy. Workers loyalty was repaid with total betrayal. It will continue to cost us jobs unless we renegotiate a better nafta. Im going to tell the nafta partners i intend to immediately renegotiate. Theres no guarantee that china cant backdoor into this agreement. China will enter the tpp through the back door. Sounds like the to of you have some similar views. Well done. Good research. A couple of things. First of all, all ive heard with donald trump, a guy who made a lot of money from outsourcing jobs to china, mexico, to turkey, to slovenia, to other countries im forgetting right now. The guy that made a lot of money from that is now against the trade policy. But never, ever raised his voice when congress was considering it. The second point is, look what hillary is proposing. Trump has proposed nothing other than were going to do more tariffs and these are bad trade deals. I agree theyre bad trade deals. Hillary clintons proposed trade prosecutor aimed specifically at chinau. S. Trade. Shes proposed tripling the number of trade enforcers. I know what trade enforcement does. I go to the International Trade commission almost once a month, arguing for stronger enforcement. We usually win on this in this administration. I know what secretary clinton, she understands rules of origin. Thats real jobs in my state in the auto supply chain. Thats why thats a really important part of tpp that doesnt work for our country. She recognizes that. She understands what currency does. Shes qualified. Throughout her tenure as secretary of state there was allout advocacy for tpp. How are your voters going to believe that shes changed . Theyre going to believe because she clearly understands these issues and she talks in great depth about them. In individual interviews and rallies. You get none of that from donald trump. When she was secretary of state, her boss was advocating a trade policy. It was her boss. She was the secretary of state for the president. Of course shes going to take those positions. I trust her on this. Ive spent a lot of time talking trade with her. In person, on the phone, in my state. Her office was right across the hall from mine when i came to the senate. She strikes me as somebody who actually listens, more than most politicians. Who doesnt talk all the time. Im convinced. I stake my reputation and ive written a book on trade, nobody has fought harder against nafta, tpp than i have. All those things. I gotta i gotta ask you one quick question about Vice President ial speculations. Surrounding you. Have you been contacted or vetted by the campaign . Im simply not going to speculate on that. I love the job i get to do working everything from auto rescue to the earned income tax credit. Have you been contacted . Im not going to speculate. I think i have answered that. Im not asking you to speculate. Have you been contacted . I understand. Youve heard my answer. Thats what youre going to get. Talk to the secretary clinton campaign. Okay, thank you very much for joining us, senator brown. Sure, glad to do it. Thank you, martha. Thank you. And Rick Santorum, twotime president ial candidate, former pennsylvania senator who has endorsed donald trump is with us in the studio. Hi, martha. Good morning. I want to start with you as well, with secretary clintons meeting with the fbi. Your candidate, donald trump tweeting yesterday, it was Just Announced by sources that no charges will be brought against crooked Hillary Clinton like i said, the system is totally rigged. I dont know who hes talking about with his sources. But totally rigged . You believe the system is totally rigged . You believe your candidate . You have a long history of this administration playing politics. Everything from the irs to the Justice Department on a lot of investigations. When you see bill clinton doing what he did just this week, it is a very cozy relationship between the white house and mrs. Clinton. I think a lot of people, not just donald trump, are very concerned this is not getting a fair hearing. Loretta lynch says shell accept the fbis recommendat