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News in Washington I'm Janine Herbst President Trump voice supported a for pro-democracy demonstrators in Hong Kong but as N.P.R.'s Scott Horsley reports he stopped short of saying he would sign legislation defending Hong Kong pointing to ongoing trade talks with mainland China both the House and Senate have passed a bill supporting the Hong Kong demonstrators with overwhelming veto proof majority the President Trump has not said whether he'll sign the measure speaking on Fox News Trump suggested the bill could complicate his administration's trade talks with Beijing I stand with I stand with freedom I said with all of the things that we want to do but we also are in the process of making the largest trade deal in history and if we could do that out of the great in fact the u.s. And China are negotiating a limited trade deal that would boost China's purchases of u.s. Farm goods even those talks have stumbled over how much tariff relief the administration's willing to provide Scott Horsley n.p.r. News Washington meanwhile Hong Kong is getting ready for local elections that have become a referendum on public support for more than 5 months of protests pro-democracy opposition candidates hope to win a decisive victory on the back of public anger against the government and police and while pro-government candidates concede they are underdogs the urging voters to choose what they call stability over violence this as 6 masked protesters have surrendered green to the around 30 the number who have come out in the past day from a university campus that has been surrounded by police the u.s. Senate has unanimously passed a bill repealing nearly a dozen outdated federal laws still on the books the target Native Americans but as Ryan hunch us from member station k.n. a u Reports none has generally been enforced in decades the respect act would rescind 11 longs many of which were passed more than a century ago they allowed involuntary labor for Native American men and legalize the forced removal of children from their homes to attend government ball. Schools Arizona Democratic u.s. Senator Kiersten cinema co-sponsored the new bill they continue to be a reminder of the personal aggression that was displayed by the federal government toward the Americans in the 1000th and 20th centuries the u.s. Government forced thousands of Native American children to attend off reservation boarding schools many describe sexual and psychological abuse at the facilities the respect act would also repeal laws allowing the federal government to withhold services and funds from tribes and nullify treaties for n.p.r. News I'm Ryan Highness in Flagstaff Arizona Wall Street is trading higher at this hour the Dow is up $85.00 points at $27852.00 that's up about 3 tenths of a percent the Nasdaq up 2 points at 8508 the s. And p. 500 is ahead by 4 points at 31 o 7 You're listening to n.p.r. News from Washington and support for n.p.r. Comes from Progressive Insurance offering a way to buy home insurance with their home quote explore to custom quotes and rates are available online learn more at progressive dot com or 1800 progressive Now that's progressive support comes from l.a. 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Show maybe you won't be listening Ok but we will do around debates over we're going to sum it all up what's next see what happens in the House Judiciary Committee they're the ones have to draft the articles of impeachment and all the questions that are raised such as What were the rules of my pump aoe and vice president pence Bolton will he or won't he testify speaking of we are also going to talk about this as a made for t.v. Spectacle a drama it really is theater it really is and he got huge ratings and people tuned in for that and they had there were key dramatic moments memorable lines memorable characters very memorable characters for over eavesdropping on phone calls over. A wine soaked lunch right in Ukraine that's all you could make to so I could not make any of this stuff up so fortunately we will talk all about that on the show today and we will also talk about speaking of drama we will have your Friday film reviews Yeah that's right speed I can remember last last we did you did anybody review that film waves yeah have you heard of it oh my god have you seen your great reviews Oh it is so hard critics loved it I mean it sounds like maybe I'm being paid by a 24 hour night it's you know but it is a it's a masterpiece I walked out of the film knowing you mediately and I'm a big film buff I like film just about as much as music that's easily one of best films I've ever seen. You've got to see I well yeah Ok anyway that's just my piece Well thanks for the recommendation he should come on as one of our film critics let's do it yeah I'm more than just the d.j. Madeleine you know Larry I mean there's more light on over to my studio relieve some of these guys Ok well it would have been always nice to see you press you of course is coming up immediately far only following Morning Becomes Eclectic at 12 and about 10 minutes we'll bring you a session with Phineas Krista reduces in a studio so we'll have a little bit of a conversation with him but before that we're going to do something brand new from don't let you get down. It's. Good. Fun. Oh the. Time. Think he was creative. Think you could. Just. Feel big thank you Katie had to look. So cool so you. Kind of. Cut. He. You. Really. Me I still think the key thing. Is. The issue they. Make you. Think enough to stop. And think you can't think you can finance and. She sees so much. I have to throw in there Billie I wish there baggage of course one of the biggest records of the year and a 6 time Grammy nominee she had to outdo her older brother Phineas only got a mere 5 get here we have 5 Yeah that's right well we welcome Chris to readers in the studio who have the great pleasure of hosting a recent session that we did with Phineas So before we get into the session maybe you can take us inside the experience of you know Phineas O'Connell he's a songwriter he's a producer he's an artist he said the kind of year that comes along once in a generation. Writing co-writing producing for his sister Billie I wish the 2 of them check this out they've generated over 25000000000 streams world wide with a 1000000000 with a b 2025 1000000000 while across streaming and audio you know they're really the undisputed biggest story of the year in music yeah and everything sort of hit mass density back in March when they released the album the full length album when we all fall asleep when we go came out in March written co-written produced by Phineas in his bedroom studio at the house he grew up in Highland Park. And then they did this you know career head spinning turn at Coachella I'm one of the secondary. Stages you know they just swept Coachella stunned everybody there and then they did a incredible debut at Saturday Night Live just a few weeks ago. And touring incessantly through the last year around the world right ever larger venues but along the way he wrote his own solo music along the way while he was on the road continue to write not only from stop it for other artists and he himself he's got like 100000000 streams of his own worldwide and most of them are on this new e.p. Which we're going to be showcasing here and that's why he has to be the front runner for producer of the year if well if you are exactly his work as a producer was recognized this week by the Recording Academy and he was nominated for producer of the year along with 4 other nominations including Best Album best song of the air album of the Year Record of the year and of the year wow incredible I mean we should we should also point out that Billy she turned 18 in like 2 or 3 weeks and I believe Phineas is only 22 he's 22 Yeah wow so there's some there's some hope in the youth there is and the cool thing about this session what we did a few days ago I guess we recorded it last week we talk about that that major turning point in their lives in late 2015 when they created their breakthrough song ocean eyes you know and if I recall correctly Jason Kramer was the 1st or Kramer was right turning on to add that was in November 25th teen Wow And then and we refer to it in the conversation here they're about to hear that you know we ended up meeting a couple weeks after that at a Starbucks in Culver City. But this was the moment that really unlocked their entire careers the the launch of ocean eyes they put it up on Sound Cloud and and all hell broke loose you know Phineas as a as a young songwriter and producer really became. You know helped Billy become Billy Eilish as it has older brother should. As I said earlier but yeah so. Listen up for you know how he talks about in a really compelling way how he approaches the sound of Billy's records and how he had to invert that approach for his own music and you know I just want to add I was here for the session I got a chance to meet him and one thing that I was incredibly impressed by is his level of maturity and just how centered and grounded to use Yeah and I think that's probably what speaks to the I don't know whether the muse is musical sensibility in many ways it came across as one of my 1st thoughts was of a come from a great family Yeah well yeah both parents were very creative and they they stick together as a team Yeah you know. Their mother Maggie is always shooting you know behind the scenes footage and stuff and dad's helping create set pieces for the shows and they they travel as a unit and yeah it's really kind of cool wow that's amazing All right well let's get into the session enough of us talking and stay close because I have to download copies of Phineas is the new e.p. Blood harmony just after the session but as we proceed is Phineas on more becomes a collective. I lost the 1st. Keys in the sofa. Like a wallet in the back seat. Like ice in the summer heat. I lost a friend. Like sleep on a red and. Lag money on a bad day. Like time worrying about every bad thing that heads and India. The number one be all right. But I'm not denying. I'll be like in a way no the mistakes I've made me play facts to no be all right. But I'm not to marry. I lost a friend out lost a friend lost my mind and nobody believes me say and I want anybody to meet me. Because he made a little too much money too needs money and sex. And I only finally got a little to do in the added. How the hell did I lose it and never heard. Never. Leg unwaveringly. Leg and sleeve an m.r.i. The. Guy can pull it all the stitches out of my face it's. Like amazing a new spring. Like I'm walking on a new key. Like it's been To be over. But I'm the. Most the 1st guy was the fan no no smoking mine nobody believes me say no deed so you mean to me. As he made ensued smudge needs me to say. Now I believe I am and that. To Windsor made it back to. Atlanta. And. Never. This live on case here W.'s morning becomes a collective you can find the song I lost a friend on the new blood harmony e.p. Phineas it's so good to have you here thanks for having me Chris it's great to see you as always absolutely good to see you tonight that song is just connecting with so many people on so many different levels and I wonder if you could speak to the fact that. This coming out of a personal experience Well I mean I think it in my specific instance the song was about like literally what it sounds like which was of a friend of mine and I had stopped talking for a long time and I sort of was writing this song wondering why and wondering like what the reasons were and how to you know make amends but it's a it's been a sobering and wonderful thing to have people come up to me and say like you know I lost a brother last year you know this makes me think of them and I think that's the beauty of him ambiguity and it's funny because I think when I made this song I didn't think it was very ambiguous I thought it was pretty specific to me and I thought I don't know how many people are going to really relate to this but I think ultimately that's just a I thing that that's that's kind of what stand up comedy is to it's like going through things that you think you're alone and going through and realizing that we all have the same thought about it and I think that's one of them is that this song is a little bit like that or I think I just haven't heard that many songs about a friendship falling apart mostly they're talking about relationships falling apart so it's important to write for me yeah and on the on the e.p. The Song is produced with these you know little trademark Finn his son flourishes that. Is it has its sonar is a Geiger counter what it sounds like both which I like I like those sort of like patrolling the or maybe as I get a metal detector on a beach you know I mean they just that like to searching you know like searching with the with any tool that was kind of that. The way I wanted to sound you know both of those sounds are about searching out they want to really talk to city and when for. Both both are applicable Yeah I understand it's a song about a high school friend right yeah a kind of a friend like the the last vestige of like sort of my my real life prior to their career that Billy and I both now have and we have we have a myriad of wonderful friends that we know because of our career I'd count you in that category of people that I met because of our career and that was sort of the friend of mine that had stayed through you know from before we were just sort of like trying our best and putting out music and no one was listening to it so it was a very sentimental thing to to to go away I think it was like not something I was prepared to let go off because I was really some about it was very important to me that that was maintained and that was a great thing to start with today because I wanted to draw a line between this song and the moment that we 1st met I mean you were in a band that you had formed around school called the slightly Hell yeah I just remember it being no weird backdrop for us to meet up because I was like yeah I mean Culver City there by that call the hotel but I was so taken with your music at that point already you know even Billy had created ocean eyes this is 2015 and we're talking about the summer late November and you had already written the song for the slightly as young as had to play in it for you played it as a band for right answers did you ever recorded we never recorded at which time I part of me kind of wishes we had just just to play for people but we were playing it as a band for a while a short while like I had written and I think October of that year maybe September October I had this band and we'd go to band practice once or twice a week in our friend's garage and I was sort of brought it in and it was like this Soundgarden jam with like a huge lead guitar line and big killers drums and it was great it was fun but it wasn't how I wanted the song to sound and it was just kind of how it's. Sounded when a band plays it like this is totally different than what I hear in my head and we played it I think 2 shows ever maybe it was fine but it was kind of outside of my vocal range to which I try to be honest with myself and not sing songs that are a reach for me and I remember just thinking like this would sound so great in a different vocal and I was like oh like Billy's vocal range be awesome on this and because of our close proximity to each other tiny child at home she'd heard the song for days as I wrote it and I was like do you do you have any interest in singing the song and she you know I just sat there and played it on acoustic guitar and she sang it was instantly you know better it's an incredible trajectory that you found yourself in and it's a really unique position I think because of the way along with developing Billy as an artist you refined your own songwriting definitely and producing which then you could apply to how to position your own solo work Shaurya right I mean typically artists would young artists would typically lean on a producer to help them find that sound or shape that somebody had to do it on your own after you've already done it for somebody else it was a challenge but it was fun and I think the best part of it became that Billy and I together were experiencing tumultuous. Success and gratification for music and when I was sitting down to write songs for myself to sing in my own voice they were these very confessional sort of honest like bleeding songs and putting out my own music on to my own name became just about self-expression and I think it was like this sounds weird to say but like it was the 1st time since I was like 15 that I was I was doing something and I kind of an altruistic like I think they're like you're just trying to make it work when you're like in a band in high school you're like how can we get signed and how can we like have it hit and I think like it totally removed all of that from my sort of like desires as a solo artist I just was like I just want to put out songs that are that feel really good to sing that was like the whole goal it's been fun to do Phineas is with us here in case you're w. We are hearing songs from the new e.p. Called Blood harmony and Chris to read us it's Morning Becomes Eclectic on k c r w let's let's head into the next song. You know this is so good it's you let. Go the cold stone for saying this. Maybe I was too tired to keep. Maybe you're. Coming. Him a hint your. Dad is off in his ear oh my mind. Don't make sense please forgive me I can't sleep then. This not alone not anymore. Not since On the sub sometimes. There's an empty space me. To keep it with me till your keys. That was. Tiffin fish sat me. A sinner who would your. Needs you hear. Your. Hairdo softens you. If not do. Please forgive me I can sleep better. At least not alone. Thanks. That's my mind that's Phineas live in mourning becomes a collective carrying case here Chris to read this and we talked a bit about you know you finding your sound as a producer and and I want to 0 in on and how you came to that sound because it's very distinctive in today's musical environment you know and you've been celebrated for that I read somewhere that a friend of yours was a mastering engineer and he had said something to you he said pretty good thing to me he said in a more eloquent way than I'll put it right now but he was like the only thing that matters is that you like how it sounds because everyone will tell you why what you're doing is the wrong way to do it and but if you go yeah but I like it then they have nothing they can't touch you and I remember thinking later and of course like the benefit of that is that that doesn't justify something that doesn't sound good because you like if I don't like it I don't l