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clinton and if anyone thought donald trump was going to be con triet tonight, they were dead wrong. >> wrong big time t started with a bombshell. remember, friday, 4:00 eastern time, two days ago when 11 year old video surfaced of trumpru making vulgar remarks about women. he has since apologized by that apology left so many people unsatisfied, even makers much tictacs felt they had to release's statement. now he is on the offensive. >> a political stunner, trump gathered three women who claimed they have misconduct by former president bill clinton. he also invited those women, they are here inside the debate hall. >> hillary clinton is facingg questions too about hacked pass ages that were released to her speaking to wall street. she it talks about the necessity to have those public and private positions on contentious issues. >> john dickerson, nobody thought this night would start like this. >> no matter how crazy a or up on the mesesiness but we are now going to have a reality show debate. donald trump, people wondered what kind of donald trump would show up. rudy geul yani start-- giuliani compared him to st. augustine, he would have that conversion, that has not happened at all. he brought this kowrsness. with this latee revelation i hope voters have seatbelts. >> where when your mom said take the high road t is the road less traveled. i think dy memo today. major garrett covers the trump campaign. what are you expecting? >> well, gayle, senior trump advisors know the republican r nominee is in the middle of what they regard the riskiest act of defleks in modern presidentialde history. essentially telling the country that bill clinton sordid sexuala past is as important, fobly more important than what the country heard in that leaked video on friday about donald trump's attitude toward women. the risks are threefold.ee it might raise questions about trump's temperment, take the divide between the republican party, nominated and trump himself. >> nancy cordes is covering the clinton campaign. nancy, how will hillary clinton deal with this. >> well, she will weigh in on trump's comments at the start of the debate. her campaign delibly chose not to have her say anything over the weekend to heighten the impact tonight standing there on stage next to donald trump. after the last debate i asked her what she would do if donald trump brought up her husband'sba fast infidelit t he said he can run his campaign however he wants but her campaign insist this is a strategy that will back fire. >> let's go now down to the stage for this debate. >> good evening. i'm martha raddatz from abc news. >> i'm anderson cooper from cnn. he want to welcome you to washton university in vaint louis for the second presidential debate sponsored by the commission on presidentialsi debates. tonight's debate is a townhallnh for mat which gives voters a candidates questions, martha and i will ask followup questions but the night really belongs to the people in this room and to people across the country who have submitted questions online. >> the people you see on this stage were chosen by the gallup organization. they are all from the st. louis area and told gallup they haven't committed to a candidate. each of them came here with questions they wanted to ask. and we saw those questions for the first time this morning. anderson and i and our team from abc and cnn are the only ones who both candidates will have two minutes to answer each audiencee and online question. we hope to get to as many questions as we can. so we have asked the audience here not to slow things down with any applause. except for now. ladies and gentlemen, the republican nominee for president, donald j. trump and the democratic nominee for president hillary clinton. >> hello, hello. hello. >> thank you very much for being here, we're going to begin with a question from one of the members in our townhall, each of you will have two minutes to respond to this question. secretary clinton, you won coin toss so will you go first.t our first question comes from patrice brock. patrice? >> thank you, and good evening. the last presidential debate could have been rated as ma, mature audiences per tv parental guide lines. knowing the educators viewing the presidential debate for students homework, do you feel you are modeling appropriate and positive behavior for today's youth. >> well, thank you. are you a teacher? good question because i've heard from lots of teachers and parents about some of their concerns about some of the things that are being said and done in this campaign. and i think it is very important for us to make clear to our children that our country really is great because we're good. and we are going to respect one another, lift each other up. we are going to be looking for s and we're going to try to reach out to every boy and girl, as a well as every adult, to bring them in to working on behalf of our country. i have a very positive and optimistic view about what we can do together. that's why the slogan of my campaign is stronger together. because i think if we work together, if we overcome the deviciveness that sometimes sets americans against one another goals. and i have set forth some big goals getting the economy to work for everyone, not just those at the top. making sure that we have the best education system from preschool through college, and making it affordable. and so much else. if we set those goals and we go together to try to achieve them, there's nothing in my opinion that america can't do. so that's why i hope that we will come together in this campaign. obou your vote. i'm hoping to be elected in november. and i can promise you, i will work with every american. i want to be the president for all americans. regardless of your political beliefs, where you come from, what you look like, your religion. i want us to heal our country and bring it together. because that is, i think, the best way for us to get the future that our children and grand children deserve. >> secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, you have two minutes. >> well, i actually agree with that. said. i began this campaign because i was so tired of seeing such foolish things happen to our country. this is a great country, this is a great land. i've gotten to know the people of the country over the last year and a half that i have been doing this as a politician. i cannot believe i'm saying that about myself, but i guess i have been a politician. and my whole concept was to make america great again. when i watch the deals being happening with some horrible things like obamacare where your health insurance and health care is going up by numbers that are astronomical, 68%, 59%, 71%. when i look at the iran deal and how bad a deal it is for us. it is a one-sided transaction, where we're giving back 150 billion dollars to a terrorist state, really, the number one terrorist state. we have made them a strong country, from really a very weak when i look at all of the things that i see and all of the potential that our country has, we have such tremendous potential, whether it's in business and trade where we are doing so badly. last year we had an almost 800 billion dollar trade deficit. in other words, trading with other countries. we had an $800 billion deficit. it's hard to believe, inconceivable. you say who is making these deals? we're going to make great trade deals. we're going to have a strong border. we're going to bring back law and order. just today policemen from shot, two killed. and this is happening on a weekly basis. we have to bring back respect to law enforcement. at the same time we have to take care of people on all sides. we need justice.ti but i want to do things that haven't been done including fixing and making our inner cities better for the african-american citizens that are so great. and for the latinos, hispanics, it's called make america great again. >> thank you, mr. trump. the question from patrice was about are you both modod elevatorring positive and appropriate behaviors for today's youth. we received a lot of questions online, mr. trump, about the tape that was released on friday. as you can imagine. you called what you said locker room banter. you described kissing women without consent, grabbing their again-- genitals, that is sexual assault. you bragged that you have sexually assaulted women. do you understand that? >> no, i didn't say that at all. i don't think you understood this was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i apologized to my family, apologized to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. you know, when we have a world where you have isis chopping off heads, where you have-- and frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over, where you have so many bad things happening, this is like world. and they look and they see. can you imagine the people that are, frankly, doing so well against us with isis. and they look at our country and they see what is going on. yes, i'm very embarrassed by it, i hate it. but it's locker room talk. and it's one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we're going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left-- because of bad judgement. and i will tell you, i will take care of >> so mr. trump. >> and we should get on to much more important things and much bigger things. >> just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent. >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do.do >> so for the record are you saying you never did that. >> i said things that, frankly, you hear these things. they're said. and i was embarrassed by it. but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever done.e. >> no, i have not. and i will tell you that i'm going to make our country safe. we're going to have borders from our country which we don't have now. people are pouring into our country. and they're coming in from the middle east and other places. we're going to make america safe again. we're going to make america great again, but we're going to make america safe again. and we're going to make america wealthy again, because if you don't do that, it just-- it sounds harsh to say, but we have to build up the wealth. >> other nations are taking our jobs and they're taking our >> that's what i want to talk about. >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> well, like everyone else, i have spebt a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours about what we heard and saw. you know, with prior republican nominees for president, i disagreed with them. on politics, policies,ie principles. but i never questioned their fitness to serve. that he was not fit to be president and commander in chief. and many republicans and independents have said the same thing. what we all saw and heard on friday was done ald talking about women, what he thinksnk about women, what he does to women, and he has said that the video doesn't represent w is. but i think it is clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. because we have seen this throughout the campaign. we have seen him insult women. we've seen him rate women on their appearance, ranking them from one to ten. we've seen him embarrass women on tv and on twitter. we saw him after the first grading a former miss universe in the harshest, most personal terms. so yes, this is who donald trump is. but it's not only women, and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, so many others. so this is without donald trump is. and the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are. that is why to go back to your question, i want to send a message. we all should, to every boy and girl and indeed to the entireir world. that america already is great and we will work with one another, and we will celebrateeb our diversity. these are very important values to me. because this is the america that i know and love. and i can pledge to you tonight that this is the america that i will serve if i'm so fortunate enough to become your president. >> and we want to get to some questions online. >> am i allow todz respond to that? i assume mi. >> it's just words, folks.. it's just words.ds those words, i have been hearing for many words. i heard them when they were running for the senate in new york where hillary was going to bring back jobs to upstate new york and she failed. i have heard them where hillary is constantly talking about the inner cities of our country, which are a disaster, educationwise, jobwise, safetywise, in every way possible. african-americans, i'm going to help the latinos, hispanics, i'm going to help the inner cities. she's done a terrible job for the african-americans. she wants their vote and she does nothing. and then she comes back four years later. we saw that first hand when she was united states senator. she campaigned where the. >> mr. trump, 34r trump, i want to get to audience questions and online questions. >> so she is allowed to do that but i'm not allowed to respond. >> you're going to get to >> sounds fair. >> this tape is generating intense interest, in just 48t hours it's become the single most talked about story of the entire 2016 election on facebook. with millions and millions of people discussing it on the social network. as we said a moment ago, we do want to bring in questions from voters around the country via social media and our first on this topic, jeff from ohio asks on facebook, trump says the campaign has changed him. that, when you walked off that bus at age 59, were you a different man or did that behavior continue until just recently? and you have two minutes for this. >> that was locker room talk, i told you. that was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country. and certainly i'm not proud of it. but that was shi worse, mine are words and his was action. hi was what he has done toto women, there has never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that has been so abusive to women. so you can say anyway you want to say it, but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously, four of them are here tonight. one of the women who is a old, was raped, at 12. her client, she represented, got him off and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions laughing at the girl who was raped. kathy shelton that young woman is here with us tonight. so don't tell me about words. i am absolutely, i apologizedlo for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was impeached, he lost his he had to pay an $850,000 dollar fine to one of the women.en paula jones, who is also here tonight. and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago, i think it's disgraceful. and i think she should be ashamed of herself, if you want to know the truth. (applause) secretary clinton, you have two minutes. >> well, first let me start by saying, that so much of what he just said is not right but he gets to run his campaign anyway he chooses. he gets to decide what he wants to talk about. instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have, that we think can make a better life and a better country. that's his choice. when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my fr michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. (cheers and applause)us and look, if this were just about one video, maybe what he is saying tonight, would be understandable. but everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point about whether or not the man in the video or the man on the stage but he never apologizes for anything to anyone. he never apologized to mr. and mrs. khan the gold star family whose son captain khan died in the line of duty in iraq. and donald insulted and attacked them for weeks over their religion. he never apologized to the distinguished federal judge who was born in said he couldn't be trusted to be a judge because his parents were, quote, mexican. he never apologized to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked on national television and our children were watching. and he never apologized for the racist lie that president obama was not born in the united states of america. he owes the president an responsibility for his actions and his words. >> well, you owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign sydney blumenthal, he is another real winner that you have, and he is the one that got this started along with your campaign manager. and they were on television just two weeks ago, saying exactly that. so you really owe him an apology. you are the one that sent the pictures around your campaign, sent the president obama in a search garb, that was long before i was ever involved so you actually know an apology. number two, michelle obama, i've gotten to see the commercials that they did on you. and i got to see some of the most vicious commercials i've ever seen of michele-- michelle obama talking about, hillary. so you talk about friend, go back and take a look at those commercials. sanders race where you won but not fair and square, in my opinion. and all you have to do is take a look at wikileaks and just see what they said about bernie sanders. and see what deborah wasserman-schultz had in mind. because bernie sanders between superdelegates and deborah wasserman-schultz never had a chance. and i was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil. but when you talk about apology, i think the one that you shouldl really be apologizing for and the thing that you should apologizing for are the 3 3,000 emails that you deleted, and that you assad-- acid washed. and then the two boxes of emaill and other things last week that were taken from an office and are now missing. and i will tell you what, i didn't think i would say this, but i'm going to say it and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak. the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where emails and you get a spp. you get a spp and after getting the spp, you delet 3 3,000 and then you acid wash them or bleech them, as you would say, a very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it. because you know what, people have been-- their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth of what you have done. and it's a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. >> secretary clinton, i want to follow up on that. >> everything he just said is absolutely false.se but i'm not surprised. in the first debate, and in >> i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i would never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we're going to really make livers better for people. so once again, go to hillary clinton.com. we have literally trump, you can fact check him in realtime. last time at the first debate we had millions of people fact checking. so i expect we'll have millions more fact checking. because you know, it with the temperment of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you would be in jail. >> we want to remind the audience to please not-- talk outloud. please do not applaud.la are you just wasting time. >> and secretary clinton, i do want to follow up on emails. you said your handling of your james comey calling your handling of classified information, quote, extremely careless. the fbi said there were 110 classified emails that were exchanged, eight of which were top secret and that it was possible hostile actors did gain access to those emails. you don't call that extremely careless. >> well, martha, first let me say and i have said it before. but i will repeat it because i want everyone to hear it. that was a mistake. and i take responsibility for using a personal email obviously if i were to do it over again, i would not. i'm not making any excuses. it was a mistake. and i am very sorry about that.t but i think it's also important to point out where there are some misleading accusations from critics and others. after a year-long investigation, there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server i was using. anyone can point to at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis, that any classified material ended up in the wrongng hands. i take classified material very seriously. and always have, when i was on the senate armed services committee, i was prify to a lot of classified material. obviously as secretary of state, i had some of the most important secrets that we possess, such as going after bin laden. so i am very committed to taking class tied-- classified- information seriously. and as i said, there is no evidence that any classified information ended up in the wrong hands. >> okay, we're going to move on. >> and yet she didn't know the word-- the letter "c" on a document. she didn't even know what that word, what that letter meant. you know, it's amazing.g. i'm watching hillary go over facts. >> and she's going after fact what she did with emails was fine. you think it was fine to delet 3 3,000 emails. i don't think so. she said that 3 3,000 emails had to do with her daughter's wedding, number one, and a yoga class. well, maybe we'll give three or four or five or something. 3 3,000 emails deleted. and now she is saying therehe wasn't anything wrong. and more importantly, that was after getting a spp. that wasn't before, that was after. she got it from the united states congress. and i will be honest, i am so disappointed in congressmen, including republicans, for allowing this to happen. our justice department where her husband goes on to the back of an airplane for 39 minutes, talks to the attorney general, days before a ruling is going to be made in her case. but for you to say that there was nothing wrong with you deleting 39,000 emails, again, you should be ashamed of yourself. what you did, and this is after getting a spp from the united states congress. clinton, respond and we have to move on. >> we want to give the audience a chance here. >> you would be put in jail, let alone after getting a spp from the united states congress. >> you can respond, then we have to move on to an audience question. >> look, it's just not true. and so please, go. >> you didn't delet them. >> allow letter to respond. >> personal email, notil official. >> over 3 3,000. >> well, we turned over 35,000. >> oh, yeah what about the other 15,000. >> please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. >> yes, that's true. i didn't. >> because you have nothing to say. and i'm going to try not to in this debate because i would like to get to the questions that the people have brought here tonight to talk to us about. >> then get off this question. >> okay, donald, i know you are into big die version tonight, anything to avoid talking about your campaign the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. >> we'll see what happens. >> let her respond. >> let's get to the questions karpowicz about health care. >> i would like to know, anderson, why aren't you bringing up the emails. i would like to know. >> we brought it up. >> no, it hasn't. and it hasn't been finished, at all. >> ken karpowicz has a question. >> nice, one on three. >> thank you.nk affordable care act known as obamacare, it is not affordable. premiums have gone up. deductibles have gone up, copays have gone up, prescriptions have gone up. and the coverage has gone down. what will youo costs down and make coverage better? >> that first one goes to secretary clinton, you started out the last one to the audience. >> he wants to start, he can start. >> go ahead, hillary. >> no, go ahead, donald. >> no, i'm a gentleman, go ahead. >> secretary clinton. >> i think donald was about to say he will solve it by repealing it and getting rid off the affordable care act. and i'm going to fix it. because i agree with you. prescription drug costs. and i've laid out a series of actions we can take to try to get those costs down. but here's what i don't want people to forget when we are talking about reigning in the costs which have to be the highest priority of the next president. when the affordable care act passed t wasn't just that 20 million people got insurance who didn't have it before, but that in and of itself was a good thing. i meet these people all the time and they tell me what a difference hin families. but everybody else, the 170 million of us who get health insurance through our employers, got big benefits. number one, insurance companies can't deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition. number two, no lifetime limits, which is a big deal if you have serious health problems. number three, women can't be charlged more than-- charged used to be before the affordable care act. number four, if you are under 26 and your parents have a policy, you can be on that policy until the age of 26. something that didn't happenen before. so i want very much to save what works and is good about the affordable care act. but we've got to get costs down. we've got to provide some additional help to small businesses, so that they can afford to provide health insurance. but if we repeal it as donald again, all of those benefits i just mentioned are lost to everybody. not just people who get their health insurance on the exchange. and then we would have to start all over again. right now we are 90% health insurance coverage.er that's the highest we've ever been in our country. >> your time is up. >> i want us to get 100 percent but keep costs down and quality up. >> mr. trump, you have two minutes. >> it is such a great question. get almost more than anything else. outside of defense. obamacare is a disaster. you know it, we all know it. it's going up at numbers that nobody has ever seen worldwide.d nobody has ever seen numbers like this for health care. it's only getting worse.se in 17, it implodes by itself. their method of fixing it is to go back and ask congress for more money. more and more money. we have right now almost $20 trillion in debt. t. obamacare will never work. it's very bad, very bad health insurance. far too expensive. and not only expensive for the person that has it, unbelievably expensive for our country. it's going to be one of thehe biggest line items very shortlyt we have to repeal it. and replace it with something absolutely much less expensive,i and something that works. we have to get rid of the aligns around the state, artificial lynn lines are we kep insurance companies from coming in and competing. because they wanted president obama and whoever else was working on it, to leave those lines because that gives insurance companies essentially monopolies. we want competition. you will have the finest health-care plan there is. she wants to go to a singlegl payer plan which would be a disaster, some what similar to canada. have you ever noticed canadians when they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the ute many cases. because there, their system is so slow, it's catastrophic in certain ways. but she wants to go to single payer. which means the government basically rules everything. hillary clinton has been after this for years. obamacare was the first step. o bamarcare-- obamacare is a total disaster. and not only are your rates going up by numbers that nobody believe, but your deductiblesti are going up. truck, you are never going to be able to use it, it is a disastrous plan and it has to b repealed and replaced. >> secretary clinton, let me followup to you.. your husband called obama heir quote the kraidziest thing in the world saying that small business owners are getting killed as premiums double, coverage cut in half. was he mistaken or was his mistake simply telling the truth. >> no, he clarified what he meant it is very clear. look. we are in a situation in our country where if we were to start all over again, we might come up w but we have an employer-based system. that's where the vast majority of people get their health care. and the affordable care act was meant to try to fill the gap between people who were too poor and kontd put together any resources to afford health care, namely people on medicaid. obviously medicare which is a single payer system which takes care of our elderly and does a great job doing it, by the way. and then all the people who were money to afford insurance. and didn't have anybody, an employer or anybody else to help them. that was the slot that the obamacare approach was to take. and like i say, 20 million people now have health insurance. so if we just rip it up and throw it away, what donald is not telling you is we just turn it back to the insurancece companies the way it used to be. and that means the insurance i companies get to do pretty much whatever they want including saying look, i'm got diabetes, you had cancer, your child has asthma. >> your time is up. >> you may not be able to have insurance because you can't afford it so let's fix what is broken about it, but let's not throw it away and give it all back to the insurance companiesa >> let me follow up with you. >> that's not going to work. >> i just want to one thing, with everything, everything is broken about t number two, bernie sanders said that hillary clinton has very bad judgement. >> mr. trump. >> trying to save obamacare. >> you said you want to endd obamacare and you also said youl want coverage accessible to people with preexisting conditions. how do you force insurance companies to do that if are you no longer mandating that everyev american. >> you will going to have plans. >> what does that mean. >> i will tell you what it means. you're going to have plans that are so good because we're going to have so much competition in the insurance industry, once we break out, once we break out the lines and allow the competition to come. >> are you going to have a mandate that americans have to >> execute mee. president obama, by keeping those lines, the boundary lines around each state, and it was almost gone until just very toward the end of the passage of obamacare which by the way was a fraud, you know that geuss jonathan gru ber the architect of bamacare, he said it was a great lie, a big light. the whole thing was a fraud and it doesn't work. but when we get rid of those lines, you have competition. preexisting. we'll also be able to help people that can't get, don't have money because we are going to have people protected. and republicans feel this way. believe it or not, and strongly this way. we're going to block grant into the states.te we're going to block grant into medicaid, into the states so that we will be able to take care of people without the necessary funds to take care of themselves. >> thank you plrks trump. >> we now go to gorbah hamed with a question for both candidates. >> hi there are muslims in the united states and i'm one of them. you've mentioned working within muslim nations, but with islamophobia on the rise, how will you help people like me deal with the quengses of being labeled as a threat to the country after the election is over. >> mr. trump, you are first. >> well, you are right about islamophobia. and that's a shame. but one thing we have to do is we have to make sure that because there is a problem. i mean whether we like it or politically correct. but whether we like it or not, there say problem. and we have to be sure thatt muslims come in and report when they see something going on. when they see hatred going on, they have to report it as an example, in san bernardino. many people saw the bombs all over the apartment of the two people that killed 14 and wounded many, many people, horribly wounded, they will never be the same. muslims have to report the problems when they see th reason for everything. if they don't do that, it is a very difficult situation for our country. because you look at orlando, and you look at san bernardino and you look at the world trade center. go outside, you look at paris, look at that horrible-- these are radical islamic terrorists.o and she won't en-- won't even mention the word and nor willil president obama. he won't use the term radical islamic terrorism. now to solve a problem, you have problem is or at least say the name. she won't say the name and president obama won't say the name. but the name is there. it's radical islamic terror. and before you solve it, you have to say the name. >> secretary qulin ton-- clinton. >> well, thank you for asking your question. and i have heard this question from a lot of muslim americans across our country. because unfortunately, there ha been a l dark things said about muslims and even someone like captain khan, the young man who sacrificed himself defending our country in the united states army has been subject to attack by donald. i will say just a couple of things. first we've had muslims in america since george washington. and we have had many successfule muslims. we just lost a particularlyti ali. now vision of america is an america where everyone has a place, if are you willing to work hard, you do your part, you contribute to the community. that's what america is. that's what we want america to be for our children and our grand children. it's also very short sighted and even dangerous. to be engaging in the kind of dem goingic rhetoric that donald has about muslims. we need american part of our eyes and ears on the front lines. i've worked with a lot of different muslim groups around america. i've met with a lot of them and i've heard how important it is for them to feel that they are wanted and included and part of our country, part of our homeland security. and that's what i want to see.. it's also important, i intend to defeat isis.s. to do so in a coalition with majority muslim nations. wondering, why should we cooperate with the americans and this is a gift to isis and the terrorists. violent jihadist terrorists. we are not at war with islam.am and it is a mistake and it plays into the hands of the terrorists to act as though we are. so i want a country wherent citizens like you, and your family are just as welcome as anyone else. >> thank you secretary clinton. this. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country'snt representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. we have no choice.ic we have no choice. your running mate said this week that the muslim ban is no longer your position. is that correct? and if it is, was it a mistake to have a religious test. >> first of all, captain khan is time he would be alive today. because unlike her who voted for the war without knowing what she was doing, i would not have had our people in iraq. iraq was a disaster. so he would have been alive today. the muslim ban is something that in some form has for-of-ed-- morphed into extreme vetting from certain areas of the world. hillary clinton wants to allow. that, no, did you-- no, answer the question. >> why didn't you interrupt her. >> i do. >> why don't you interrupt her.. >> would you please explain whether or not the muslim ban still stands. >> it's called extreme vet-- extreme vetting. we are going to areas like syria where they are coming in by the tens of thousands because of barack obama and hisry clinton wants to allow a 550% increase country like we have no idea who they are, where they are from, what they are feelings about our country is. and she wants 550% more. this is going to be the great tro january horse of all time. we have enough problems in this country. i believe in building safe zones. i believe in having other people pay for them, as an example-- example, the gulf states who are not carryingyi their weight and have nothing but money, and take care of people. but i don't want t all of the problems that you see going on. hundreds of thousands of people coming in from syria where we know nothing about them. we know nothing about their values and we know nothing about their love for our country. >> secretary clinton, let me ask you about that. because you have asked for an increase from 10 to 65,000 syrian refugees. we know you want tougher vetting. that's not a perfect system. so why take the risk of having country? >> well, first of all, i will not let anyone into our country that i think poses a risk to us. but there are a lot of refugees, women and children, think of that picture we all saw that four year old boy with the blood on his forehead because he had been bombed by the russian and syrian air forces.ce there are children suffering in this catastrophic war, largely, i believe, because of aggression. and we need to do our part. we by no means are carrying anywhere near the load that europe and others are. but we will have vetting that is as tough as it needs to be from our professionals, our intelligence experts and others. but it is important for us as a policy, not to say as donald has based on a religion. how do you do that? we are a country founded on religious freedom and liberty. how do we do what he has advocated without causing great distress within our own country? are we going to have religious tests when people fly into our country? and how do we expect to be able to implement those? so i thought that what he said was ex dangerous. and indeed, you can look at the propaganda on a lot of the terrorist sites and what donald trump says about muslims is used to recruited fighters. because they want to create a war between us. and the final thing i would say, this is 1/10 or 12th time that he has denied being for the war in iraq. we have it on tape. looked-- shall at it t has been debunked but it never stops him from saying whatever he wants to say. >> it has not been debunked. >> go to hillary clinton.com and you can see it. >> i was against the war in iraq. it has not been debunked and you voted for it, and you shouldn't have. >> there has been much fact checking on that i would like to move on to an online question. >> she just went about 25 seconds over her time. >> she did not. >> could i responds to this please. >> very quickly, please. >> hillary clinton in terms of having people come into our country, weav illegal aliens. when we want to send them back to their country, their country says we don't want them. in some cases they are murderers, drug lords, drug problems. and they don't want them. and hillary clinton when she was secretary of state said that's okay, we can't force them into their country. let me tell you, i'm going to force them right back into their country. there are murderers and some very bad peoplement and i will tell you very strongly. when bernie sanders said she has bad judged. she has really bad judgements. to cause problems and crime like you've never seen. we're also letting drugs pour through our southern border at a record clip. at a record clip. and it shuntd be allowed to happen. i isis endorsed me, they have never endorsed a political candidate, the border patrol agents recently endorsed me. they endorsed me because ise understand the border. she doesn't, she wants amnesty for everybody. come right in, come right it's a horrible thing she's doing. she has got bad judgement and honestly so bad that she shpuld never be president of the united states. that i can tell you.. >> thank you, mr. trump. i want to move on, this next question comes from the public to the bipartisan open debate coalition's online forum where americans submitted questions that generated millions of votes. this question involves wikileaks release of purported excerpts of secretary clinton's paid speeches, which she has refused which you, secretary clinton purportedly say, you need both a public and private position on certain issues. so from virginia asks is it okay from politicians to be two-faced. is it acceptable for a politician to have a private stance on issues. secretary clinton, your two minutes. >> well, right, as i recall, that was something i said about abraham lincoln, after having seen the wonderful steven spielberg movie called "lincoln."." it was a master class watching president clinton-- lincoln get the congress to approve the 13th amendment. it was principled and it was strategic. and i was making the point thatt it is hard sometimes to get the congress to do what you want to do. and you have to keep working at trying to convince some people, he used some arguments, convincing other people, he used other arguments. that was a great, i thought a great display of presidential leadership. but you know, let's talk about what is really going on here, martha. because our intelligenceel community just came out and said in the last few days, that the creme lynn meaning puten and the russian government are in the attacks, the hacking onn american accounts to influence our election.ct and wikileaks is part of that as are other sites where the russians hack information. we done even know if it's accurate information. and then they put it out. we have never in the history of our country been in a situation where an adversary, a foreign power is working so hard to election. and believe me, they're not doing it to get me elected.ct they're doing it to try to influence the election for donald trump. now maybe because he has praised putin. maybe because he says he agrees with a lot of what putin wants to do. maybe because he wants to do business in moscow, i don't know the reasons. but we deserve answers and we should demand that donald release all of his tax returns so that people can see what are the entanglementsn >> and we're going to get to that later. >> that he has.. with. >> that is so ridiculousment look now she's blaming-- she got caught in a total lie. her papers went out to all her friends at the banks, goldman sachs and everybody else. and she said things, wikileaksil that just came out. and she lied. now she's blaming the lie on the late great abraham lincoln. that's one that i haven't---- that's the good thing. that's the big difference between abraham lincoln and you. that's a big, big difference. we're talking about some difference. but as far as other elements of what she was saying, i don't know putin. i think it would be great if we got along with russia because we could fight isis together as an example. but i don't know putin. but i notice any time anything wrong happens, they like to say the russians-- she doesn't know if it is the russians doing the by they always blame russia. and the reason they blame russia is they think they are trying to tarnish me with russia. i know nothing about russia. i know about russia but i know nothing about the inner workings of russia. i don't deal with it, have i no businesses there, i have no loans from russia. i have a very, very great balance sheet, so great what when i did the old post office on pennsylvania avenue the united states government, because of my balance sheet which they actually know very well, chose me to do the old chose me to do the old post office, one of the primary things, in fact, perhaps the primary thing was balance sheet. but have i no loans with russia. you could go to the united states government and they would probably tell you that. because they know my sheet very well in order to get that development. i had to have. now the taxes are very simple thing. as soon as i have-- first of all i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. many of our friends took bigger deductions, war a massive deduction, sorros a friend of hers took a massive deduction. many of the people that are giving her all this money, that she can do many more commercials than me, took massive deductions. i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. but, but, as soon as my oddsity is finished i will release my returns, i will be happy to. >> turning to the topic of the taxes we have a question from >> goods evening. my question is, what specific tax plo visions will you change to insure the wealthiest americans will pay their fair share. >> one thing i would do is get rid of carried interest. one the greatest provision, for people like me, to be honest with you. i give up a lot when i run because i knock out the tax code. and she could have done this years ago, by the way. she was a united states senator. she complains that donald trump took advantage of the tax codes. well, why didn't shha why didn't you change it when you were a senator. the reason you didn't is that all your friends take the same advantage that i do. and i do. you have provisions in the tax code that frankly we could change. but you wouldn't change it because all of these people give you the money so you can take negative ads on donald trump. but and i say that about a lot of things. i have heard hillary complaining about so many different things over the years, i wish i would have done this, she has been there 30 years, she has been doing this. we are getting rid of carried interest provisions. i'm lowering taxes, actually, because i think it's so important for corporations because we have corporations,po massive corporations and little ones, little ones can't form. we're getting rid of regulations which goes hand-in-hand with the lowering of the taxes but we're bringing the tax rate down from 35% to 15%.. we're cutting taxes for the middle class. and i will tell you, we are cutting them big league for the middle class. and i will tell you hillary clinton is raising your taxes, raising your taxes really high. and what that is going to do is a disaster for the country. but she is raising your taxes. and i'm lowering your taxes. that in itself is a big difference. we are going to be thriving again. we have no growth for this country. there is no growth, if china has a gdp of 7%, it's like a national catastrophe. we're down to 1%. and that's like no groatd. opinion. and a lot of it has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. just about the highest in the world. and i'm bringing them down to one. lower in the world. and i think it's so important. one of the most important things we can do. but she is raising everybody's taxes massively. >> secretary clinton, you have two question minutes. the question was what specific tax provisions will change to insure the wealthiest americans pay their fair share in taxes. >> well, everything you heardea just now from donald is not true. i'm sorry have i to keep saying alternative reality. and it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal income taxes in maybe 20 years talking about what he is going to do. but i will tell you what he is going to do his plan will give the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax cuts they have ever had. is more than the bush tax cuts,, by at least a factor of two. donald always takes care of donald and people like donald. and this would be a massive gift. talks about his tax cuts would end up raising taxes on middle class families, millions of middle class families. now here's what i want to do. i have said nobody who makes less than 250,000 a year, and that's the vast majority of americans, as you know, will have their taxes raised because i think we've got to go where the money is. and the money is with people who have taken advantage of every single break in the tax code.. and yes, when i was a senator, i did vote to close pt loopholes. i voted to close, i think, one of the loopholes he took advantage of when he claimed a billion dollar loss that enabled him to avoid paying taxes. i want to have a tax on people who are making a million dollars. it's called the buffett rule. yes, warren buffett is the one who has gone out and said somebody like him should not be paying a lower tax rate than his secretary. i want to have a sur charge on incomes above five million. i want to invest in hard-working families. and i think it's been unfortunate but it's happened, that since the great recession, the gains have all gone to the top. and we need to reverse that. people like donald who paid zero in taxes, zero for our vets, zero for our military, zero for health and education. that is wrong. and we're going to make sure that nobody, no corporation and no individual can get away >> thank you. >> for our country.. >> mr. trump, i want to give you a chance to respond. i want to tell her what, last month taxes were the number one issue on facebook. "the new york times" published three pages of your 1999 tax returns they show you claim aid $960 million loss which means could you have avoided paying personal federal income taxes for years. you said you pay state taxes, employee taxes, real estate taxes, property taxes. you have not answered though a simple question. io dollar use to avoid paying personal federal income tax. >> of course i do. of course i do. and so do all of her donors or most of her donors. i know many of her donors. her doarns took massive tax write-offs. >> a lot of my write-off was depreesh yaition and other things that hillary as a senator allowed. and she will always allow it because the people that give her all this money they want it that's why. see i understand the tax code better than anybody that has ever run for president. hillary clinton and it's extrel want august of these provisions, including they want the carried interest provision, which is very important to wall street people but they really want the carried interest provision. which i believe hillary is leaving, very interesting why she is leaving carried interest. but i will tell that you number one, i pay tremendous numbers of taxes. i absolutely used it. and so did warren buffett and so did george sorros and so did many of the other people that now i won't mention their names because they're rich but they are not famous. so we won't make them famous.ou >> can you say how many years you have avoided paying personal federal income taxes.ra >> no, but i pay tax and i pay federal tax too. but i have a write-off. a lot of it is depreesh yaition, swi a wonderful charlg. i love depreesh yaition, she has given it us to. hey f she had a problem for 30 years she's been doing this, anderson, i say it all the time. she talks about health care y didn't she do something about it, she talks about taxes, why didn't d she doesn't do anything about anything other than talk. with her it's all talk and no action. >> in the past. >> and again, bernie sanders, it's really bad judgement.ge she has made bad judgement not only on taxes, she's made bad judgements on libya. on syria, on iraq. i mean her and obama, whether you like it or not, the way they got out of iraq, the vacuum they have left, that is why isis formed in the first place. different nations, hillary, congratulations. great job. >> i want you to respond secretary clinton. >> well, here we go again. i've been in favor of getting rid of carried interest for years. starting when i was a senator from new york.k. but that is not the point here. >> why didn't you do it. why didn't you do it. >> because i was a senator way republican president. >> oh, really. >> i will be the president. >> could you have done it, if you were an effective. >>-- if were you an effective senator could you have done it but you were not an feblghtive senator. >> she is allowed to respond. she didn't interrupt you. >> you know, under our constitution presidents have something called veto power. look. he has now said repeatedly 30 years that and 30 years that. so let me talk about my 30 years in public service. i'm very glad to do so. eight million kids everyier have health insurance because when i was first lady i workedded with lt insurance program. hundreds of thousands of kids now have a chance to be adopted because i worked to change our adoption and foster care system. after 9/11, i went to work with republican mayor, governor and president to rebuild new york and to get health care for our first responders who were suffering because they had run toward danger and gotten sickened by it. hundreds of thousands of national guard and reserve members have health care because of work that i and children have safer medicines because i was able to pass a law that required the dosing to be more carefully done. when i was secretary of state, i went around the world advocating for our country but also advocating for women's rights.ht to make sure that women had a decent chance to have a better life. and negotiated a treaty with my name on it as a sponsor or cosponsor when i was a senator for eight years. i worked very hard and was very proud to be re-elected in new york by an even bigger margin than i had been elected the first time. and as president, i will take that work, that bipartisan work, that finding common ground because you have to be able to get along with people to get things done in washington. >> thank you, secretary. >> and have i proven that i can, and for 30 years i have produced results >> we're going to move on to syria. both of you have mentioned that. >> she said a lot of things. i think we should-- maybe. >> mr. trump, we're going to go on. >> mr. trump, we're going to move on. the heartbreaking video of a five year old syrian boy sitting in an ambulance after being pulled from the ruble after an air strike in aleppo focused the world's attention on the horrors of the war in syria. but there are much worse images coming out of aleppo every day now, where in the past few week as loan 400 people have been killed, at least a hundred of them children. just days ago the state department called for a war crimes investigation of the syrian regime of bashar al-assad and its ally russia for their bombardment of aleppo. so this next question comes from social media through facebook, die ann from pennsylvania asks if you were president, what humanitarian crisis in aleppo. isn't it a lot like the holocaust when the u.s. waited too long before we helped.pe secretary clinton, we will begin with your two minutes. >> well, the situation in syria is catastrophic. and every day that goes by, we see the results of the regime by assad in partnership with the iranians on the ground, the places, in particular aleppo, where there are hundreds of thousands of people, probably about 250,000 still left.t. and there is a determined effort by the russian air force to destroy aleppo in order to eliminate the last of the syrian rebels who were really holding out against the assad regime. russia hasn't paid any attention to isis. assad in power. so i when i was secretary of state advocated and i advocate today a no fly zone and safe zones. we need some leverage with the russians because they're not going to come to the negotiation negotiating table for a diplomatic resolution unless there is some leverage over them. and we have to work more closely with our partners and allies on the ground. ambitions and the aggressiveness of russia. russia has decided that it's all in in syria. and they've also decided who they want to see become president of the united states too. and it's not me. i've stood up to russia. i've taken on putin and others. and i would do that as president. i think wherever we can cooperate with russia, that's fine. and i did as secretary of state. that's how we got a reducing nuclear weapons. that's how we got the sanctions on iran that put a lids on the iran yn nuclear program without firing a single shot. so i would go to the negotiating table with more leverage than we have now. but i do supported the effort to investigate for crimes, war crimes committed by the syrians and the russians and try to hold them accountable. >> thank you, secretary clinton. >> as secretary of state with the so called line in the sand,, which. some point we need to be some fact checking. >> you were in contact with the white house and perhaps sadly obama probably still listened to you. i done think he will be listening to you very much any more. obama draws the line in the sand. it was laughed at all over the world, what happened. with that being said, she talks tough against russia.a. but you are nuclear program has fallen way behind. and they've gone wild with their nuclear progra allowed that to happen. russia is new in terms of nuclear. we are old, we're tired, we'rere exhausted in terms of nuclear. a very bad thing. she talks tough, she talks really tough against putin. and against assad. she talks in favor of the rebels. she doesn't even know who the rebels are. every time we take rebels, whether it's in iraq or anywhere else, we're arming people. people. look at what she did in libya with qaddafi, qaddafi out and it is a mess. and by the way, it was a disaster. the fact is almost everything she has done in foreign polingsee has been a mistake ana a disaster. but if you look at russia, just take a look at russia, and look at what they did this week, where i agree, she wasn't there but possibly she's consulted, they signed a peace what russia did with assad, and by the way with iran who you made very powerful with the dumbest deal, perhaps i've ever seen in the history of deal making, the iran deal with $150 billion, with a 1.7 billion in cash which is enough cash to fill up this room, but look at that deal. iran now and russia are now against us. so she wants to fight, she wants to fight for rebels. there's only one problem. you don't even know who the rebels are. >> mr. trump, mr. trump. >> your two minutes is up. >> i don't like assad at all. but assad is killing isis. russia is killing isis. and iran is killing isis. and those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy. >> mr. trump, let me repeat the question. if you were president, what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in a lipo-- aleppo and i want to remind you what your running mate said. he saidro need to be met with american strength and that if russia continues to be involved in air strikes along with the syrian government forces of assad, the united states of america should be prepared to use military force to strike the military targets of the assad regime. >> okay. he and i vntd spoken and i disagree. i disagree. >> you disagree with our running mate. >> i think we have to knock outt isis. right now syria is fighting isis. we have people that want to syria is russia and it's iran who she made strong and kerry and obama made into a very powerful nation and a very rich nation, very, very quickly.ck very, very quickly. i believe we have to get isis. we have to worry about isis before we can get too much more involved. she had a chance to do something with syria. they had a chance. and that was the line. >> what do you think will happen if aleppo falls. >> i think aleppo say disaster, humanitarian. >> w if it falls. >> i think it basically has fallen, okay. it basically has fallen. let me tell you something. you look atmos ul, the biggest problem-- with mosu l the biggest problem i have with thee stupidity of our foreign policy, they think the leaders are in mosul so they announcement out we are be attacking mosul in three weeks or four weeks, all of these bad leaders from isiss are leaving mosul.ul why can't they do it quietly?et why can't they do the attack, after the attack is made, inform the american public that we have knocked out the leaders. we have had a tremendous success. people leave. why do they have to say we're going to be attacking mosul within the next four to six weeks swi what they are saying am how stupid is our country. >> there are some times reasons the military does that. >> psychological warfare. >> i can't think of any. >> it's might be to help get civilians out. >> we have-- look, i have 200 generals and admirals who endorse me. al of hono-- honor recipients who endorse me. we talk about all the time. they understand. why can't they do something secretively. where they go in and they knock out the leadership. why would these people stay there? i have been reading now. >> tell me what your strategy is. >> have i been reading about mosul, that it is the harbor of where, between raqqa and mosul, this is where they think the isis leaders are. they're gone. because everybody is talking about how iraq, which is us with our leadership, goes into fight mosul. now with these 200 admirals and generals, they can't believe it all i say is this, general george paton, general douglas mcarthur are spinning in their grave at the stupidity of what we are dg in the middle east. >> i will go to secretary clinton, secretary clinton you want assad to go, you advocated arming reb elevators but for aleppo. you talk about diplomaticlo efforts, those have failed.le ceasefires have failed. would you introduce the threat of u.s. military force beyond an no fly zone bens against the a sadz regime to backup diplomacy? >> i would not use american ground forces in syria. i think that would be a very serious mistake.ke i don't think american troops should be holding territory, i don't think that is a smart vat gee. i do think the special forces, use of nainlers and trainers in iraq which have had some positive effects are very much in our interest. so i do support what is happening. but let me. >> what would you do differently when president obama is doing. >> martha, i hope that by thethe time i. >> everything. >> i hope by the time i amm president that we will have i do think that there is a goodd chance that we can take mosul. and you know, donald says he knows more about isis than the generals. no, he doesn't. there are a lot of very important planning going on. and some of it is to signal to the sunnies in the area as well as kurdish peshmerga fighters that we all need to be in this. and that takes a lot of planning -- preparation. i would go after baghdadi. i would specifically target baghdadi. because i think our targeting of al-qaeda leaders, and i was involved in a lot of those operations, highly classifiedss ones, made a difference. so i think that could help. i would also consider arming the kurds. the kurds have been our best partners in syria as well as iraq. and i know there is a lot of concern about that, and some circles. >> but i think they should have thqu quurdish and arab fighters on the growrched are the principal way that we take raqqa after pushing isis out of iraq. >> thank you very much. we're going move on. >> she went over a minute over and you don't stop her. when i go one second over. >> you had many answers, it's really tre having. >> a question over here from james carter plrks carter? believe you can be a devoted president to all the people in the united states. >> that question begins for mr. trump. >> absolutely. i mean she calls our people deplorable, a large group.up and irredeemable. i will be a president for all of our people.pl and i will be a president that will turn our inner cities people, and will give economics to people and will bring jobs back. because nafta signed by her husband is perhaps the greatest disaster trade deal in the history of the world. not in this country, it's stripped us of manufacturing jobs. we lost our jobs. we lost our money. we lost our plans, it is a disasterment and now she wants to sign tpp even though she says now she is for it. she kawlted it the gold standard. at the last debate -- debated she did say the gold standard and it turns out she didn't saya it they actually saidz that she lied, okay. and she lied. but she's lied about a lot off things. i would be a president for off the people. african-americans, the inner cities, devastating what is happening to our inner cities. she's been talking about it for years. as usual, she talks about it, nothing happens. she doesn't get it don't same with the latino americans, the hispanic americans, the same exact thing. they done. you go into the inner cities and you see 45% poverty. african-americans, now 45% poverty in the inner cities.ie its education is a disasser-- disaster. jobs are certainlily nonexistent. i mean it's-- you know, and i have been saying it, big speeches where i have 20 and 30,000 people, what do you have to lose? it can't get any worse. and she has been talking about let me tell you, if she's president of the united states, nothing is going to happen it will just be talk and all of her friends, the taxes we were talking about, and i would just get it by osmosis. she's not doing me favors. but by doing all the others favors she's doing me favors.or >> mr. trump. >> but i will tell you, she's all talk it doesn't get done. all you have to do is take a look at her senate run, at upstate new york. >> your two minutes is out.ou >> it turned o out to be a ds as trer. >> secretary clinton, you have >> well, 67% of the people voteo to re-elect me when i ran for my second term. and i was very proud and veryer humbled by that. mr. cartedder, i have tried mymy entire life to do what i can to support children and families. you know, right out of laww school i want to work for the children's defense fund. and donald talks a lot about, you know, the 30 years i've been in public service. you know, i started off a as a young lawyer working against discrimination against african-american children. in schools and in the criminal justice system. i worked to make sure that kids with disability could get a public education, something that i care very much about. i have worked with latinos, one of my first jobs in politics was down in south teksz as registering latino citizens too be able to vote.e. so i have a deep devo making sure that every american feels like he or she has a place in our country. and i think when you look at the letters that i get, a lot off people are worried that maybee they wouldn't have a place in donald trump's america. they write me and one womanan wrote me about her son felix, she adopted him from ethiopia when he was a toddler. he is ten years old now. this is the only country he has and said to his mother one day, will he send me back to ethiopia if he gets elected. you know, children listen to what is being said, to go back to the very, very first question. and there's a lot of fear. in fact, teachers and parents are calling it the trump effect. bullying is up, a lot of people are feeling, you noarks uneasy. a lot of kids are explesessing-- expressing their concerns. so first and fore most i will do everything i can t toarve, democrats, republican, independents, people across our country. if you don't vote for me, i'm still go want to be your president, i want to be the best president i can be for every american. >> your two minute sups. i want to follow up on something trump said to you, a comment you made last month.th you said half of donald trump's supporters deplorables, racist, sexex, zen o phobic,c, islamophobic. later you said-- to the oftens of millions of americans. >> well, within hours i said that i was sorry about the way i talked about that. because my argument is not with his supporters, it's with him. and with the hateful and divisivee campaign he has run and insighting of violence at his rallies and the very brutal kinds of comments about not just women, but all americans. all kinds of americans. and african-americans, latinos, muslims, about pows,-- about people with disabilities, he has never apologized for. so i do think that a lot of the tone and tenner that he has said, i'm proud of the campaign that bernie sanders and i ran. we rather than a campaign based on issues not insults. and he is supporting me 100 percent. >> thank you. >> because we talked about what differences, and we had a lot of debate. >> thank you, secretary. >> but we believed we could make the country better and i was proud of that. >> i will give you a minute. >> we have a divided nation. we have a very divided nation. you look at charlotte, you looko at baltimore, you look at the violence that is taking place in the inner cities, chicago.go you take a look at washington d.c. we have a increase in murder within our cities, the biggest in 45 years. we have a divided nation because pe l she is tremendous hate in her heart. and she said deplorables. she meant it and when she said irderedeemable. when she said they'rey' irredeemable, to me that might have been even worse. >> she has tremendous hatred. thanked country cannot take another four years of barack obama and that is what are you getting with her. the most important characteristic of a good leader is discipline. you said if a leader doesn't have it, quote, he or she won't be one for very long. in the days after the first debate you sent out a series of tweets from 3 a.m. to 5 a.m. including one that told people to check out a sex tape. is that the displn of a. >> it wasn't check out a sex tape t was just take a look at the person that she built up to be this wonderful girl scout who was no girl scout. by i way, just so you understand, when she said 3:00 in the morning, take a look the benghazi. she said who the call at 23:00 in the morning. guess what, she didn't answer it because when ambassador stevens. >> the question is after.er >> wait a mirntion 600 times she said she was awake at 3:00 and also sent a tweet out at 3:00 but i won't even mention that. but she said she will be awake. the famous thing, we'll answer our call at 3:00 in the morning. guess what happened, ambassador stevens, ambassador stevens sent 600 requests for help, and the sydney bleumenthal who is her friend and not a good guy, by the way. she shuntd be talking about that. now tweeting happens to be aa modern day form of communication. you can like it or not like it. have i between facebook and twitter, have i almost 25 million people, it is a very effective way of communication. so you can put it down. but it is a very effectiveec fomple communication. i am not unproud of it, to be honest with you. >> secretary clinton, does mr. trump have the discipline to be a good leader? >> no. >> i'm shocked to hear that quns well, it's not only my opinion. it's the opinion of many othersr natd security pecks ert, republicans, fompler republican members of congress.gr but it's in part because those of us who have had the great privilege of seeing this job up close and know how difficult it is and it's not just because i a 200 billion surplus. and 20 million new jobs weres created, and incomes went up for everybody. everybody. african-american incomes went up 33%. and it's not just because i worked with george w. bush after 9/11. and i was very proud that when i told him what the city needed, what we needed to recover, he said you've got it and he never waiverred. he stuck with me. and i have worked and i admire president obama. he crisis since the great depression. that was a terrible time for our country. >> we have to move along. >> 9 million people. >> lost their jobs, 5 million homes from lost and $13 trillion in family wealth was wiped out. we are back on the right track. he what send us back into recession with his tax plans.. >> secretary clinton we are moving toon audience question. we have another dns. >> we have the slowest growth growth and jobs are a disaster. >> we want to get to the odd. thai very much. both of you. we have another audience question, beth miller has a question for both candidates. >> good evening. perhaps the most important aspect of this election is theth supreme court justice. what would you prioritize as the most important aspect of selecting a supreme court justice? >> we begin with your two >> well, you are right, this is one of the most important issues in this election. i want to appoint supreme court justices who understand the way the world really works. who have real life experience,er who have not just been in a big law firm and maybe clerked for a judge and then gotten on the bench. but maybe they tried some morere cases, they actually understand what people are up against. because i think the current court has gone in the wrong supreme court reverse the-- and get dark unaccountable money out of our politics. dn ald doesn't a agree with, that i would like the supreme court to know that voting right are still a big problem in many parts of our country. that we don't always do everything we can to make it possible for people of color and older people and young people to be able to exercise their franchise. i want a supreme cul that-- court that will stickck with roev wade and a women's right to choose and marriage equality.ua donald put forth names of people he would canner and among the ones that he has suggested are people who would reverseer roe v. wade and reverse marriage equality. i think that would be a terrible mistake and would take us backwards. i want a supreme court that doesn't always side with corporate interests. i want a supreme court that you can give more money to something, doesn't mean you have any more rights or should havee any more rights than anybody else. i have very clear views about what i want to see, time to change the balance on the supreme court. and i regret deeply that the senate hats not done its job and they have not permitted a vote on the person that presidentsi obama, a highly qualifiedli person, they have not given him a vote to be able to have the full complement of nine supreme court justices am i think was a der election of duty. i hope that they will see their way of doing it but if i am so fortunate enough to be president, i will immediately move to make sure that we fill that. we have nine justices.ti >> thank you, are you out of time plrks trump. >> justice scalia, great judge,e died recently. and we have a vacancy. scalia. i am looking for judges, and i've actually picked 20 of them. so that people would see, highly respected, highly thought of and actually very beautifulfully reviewed by just aboutut everybody. but people that will respect the constitution of the united states. and i think that this is so important, also the second amendment which is totally under seige by p clinton, they will respect the second amendment and what it stands for, what it represents. so important to me.e. now hillary mentioned something about contributions, just so you understand. so i will have in my race more than a hundred million dollars put in, of my money, meaning i'm in the taking all of this big money from all of these different corporations like she's done. what i ask is this, i will have put in more than a hundred million invested. we're raising money for the republican party and doing tremendously on the small donation, 61 dollar average or so. i asked hillary why doesn't-- she made 250 million by being in office. she used the power of her office to make a lot of money. why isn't she funding, not for a hundred million but why don't you put ten or 20 or 25 or 30 million dollars into your own campaign. it's 30 million dollars less for special interests, that will tell you exactly what to do. a nice sign to the americanri public. why aren't you putting some money in. you have a lot of it, you made a lot of it because of the fact that you have been in office. you made a lot of it while you were secretary of state, actually. so why aren't you putting moneyy into your own campaign, i'm just curious. >> thank you very much. >> the question was about the supreme court and i want to quickly say. >> very quickly. >> i respect the second amendment. but i believe there should be comprehensive background checks ne loophole, we have. >> one more question.st >> one more question from ken bone about energy policy, ken? >> what steps will your energy policy take to meet our energy needs while at the same time reminding environmentally friendly and minimizing job loss for fossil power planted workers. >> mr. trump, two workers.rs >> i think it is such a great question. because flrg sunday seige by obama administration, under absolute seige. the epa, environmental protection agency is killing these energy companies. and foreign companies are now coming in, buying our-- buying-- so many of our different plants and then rejiggering the plant so they can take care of their oil. we are killing, absolutely killing our energy business in this country. now i'm all for alternative forms of energy, including wind, including solar, et cetera. and you look at our mine errs,s, hillary clinton wants to put all the miners out of business. there is a thing called clean coal. coal will last for a thousandiers in this country. now we have natural gas and so many other things because of technology, we have unbelievable, we have found over the last seven years, we have found tremendous wealth right under our feet. so good. especially when you have 20 trillion in debt. i will bring one e companies back. they will be able to compete. they'll make money. they'll pay off our national debt, they'll pay off our tremendous budget deficits which are a tremendous but we are putting our energy companies out of business. we have to bring back our workers. you take a look at what is happening to steel and the cost of steel, and china dumping vast amounts of steel all over the united states which essentially is killing our steel workers and guard our envelope companies, d-- energy companies, the epa is so restrictive they are putting our energy companies out of business. all you have to do is go to a great place like west virginia or places like ohio which is phenomenal, or places like pennsylvania, and you see what they are doing to the people, the miners and others in the energy business, it is a disgrace.. >> your time is up. minutes. >> well, that was very interesting. first of all, china sill legally dumping steel in the united states and donald trump is buying it to build hisld buildings. putting steel workers and american steel plabts out of business. that is something that i fought against as a senator and that i would have a trade prosecutor to make sure that we don't get takenen advantage of by china on steel you're in the business or you are aware of people in the business, you know that we are now for the first time ever energy independent. we are not depend ent upon the middle east. but the middle east stillst controls a lot of the prices. so the price of oil has been way down. and that has had a damaging effect on a lot of the oil companies, right? we are, however, producing a lot of natural gas which serves as a bridge to more renewable fuels.s and i think that's transition. we have got to remain energy independent it gives us much more power and freedom than toto be worried about what goes on in the middle east. we have enough worries over there without having to worry about that. so i have a comprehensive energy policy but it really does include fighting climate changea because i think that is a serious problem. and i support moving toward more clean renewable energy, as 21s century clean energyne superpower and create millions of new jobs and businesses. but i also want to be sure that we don't believe people behind. that's why i am the onlyy candidate from the very beginning of this campaign who had a plan to help us revitalize coal country.ry because those coal minors and their fathers and grandfathers, they dug that coal out, a lot of them lost their lives. they were injured. but they turned the lights on and they ie i don't want to walk away from nem so we have got to do something for them. but the price of coal is down worldwide. so we have to look at this compressively and that's exactly what i have proposed.po i hope will you go to hillary clinton.com and look at my entire policy. >> we sneaked in one moree question, and it comes from carl becker. >> good evening. my question to both of you is rhetoric, would either of youou name one positive thing that you respect in one another? (applause) >> mr. trump, would you like to go first? >> well, i certainly will, because i think that is a very fair and important question. look, i respect his children. and devoted and i think that says allots about done alt am i don't agree with nearly anythinl else he says or does but i do respect that. and i think that is somethinget that as a mother and a grandmother is very important to me. so i believe that this election conflict-oriented, so intense, because there is a lot at stake. this is not an ordinary time, and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president without will set policy for not just four or eight years by because of some of the important decisions we have to make here at home and around the world, from the supreme court to energy and so much else, and so there is a lot 59 stake. it is one of t elections that we've had. and that is why i have tried to put fortd specific policies and plans. trying to get it off of the o personal and put it on to what it is i want to do as president. and that is why i hope peoplepl will check on that for themselves, so that they can see this yes, i've spent 30 years, tilely maybe a little more working to help kids andan families and i want to take all of that experience to the white house and do that every single >> mr. trump. >> well, i consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. i don't know if it was meant to be a compliment but it is a great, i'm very proud of my children. and they've done a wonderful jb and have been wonderful, wonderful kids. so i consider that a compliment. i will say this about hillary,, she doesn't quit. she doesn't give up. i respect that. i tell it like it is. she is a fighter. i disis she is fighting for. i do disagree with her judgement in many cases. but she does fight hard and she doesn't quit and she doesn't give up and i consider that to be a very good trait. >> thanks to both of you. (applause) >> i want to thank both the candidates, want to thank the university here, this concludes the townhall meeting. our throongs to the candidates, the commission, washington university and to everybody who watched. >> please tune in on october 199 the university of nevada, las vegas. good night, everyone. (applause) well, some of the language used tonight was hardly presidential. kicking off tonight, talking about locker room talk. in fact, the two candidates began this debate not even shaking hands. i think if i saw it correctly, they didn't shake hands at the ends, either. >> no, they did not. it was clear from the beginning neither one of them reached out to shake the other's hand. we learned earlier thas week on cbs this morning news that the most telling thing is how candidate as proach each other when they first start. >> they did shake hands at the very end but they started this debate by not shaking hands.ds and it started too, i think very interesting, with the very first question, do you think that you were modeling appropriate behavior for the presidency. we kept hearing all day that donald trump was ashamed and and when he was asked about his vulgar remarks he said welld that's locker room talk. i think many people are is asking which locker room is he talking bsm many men that i have talked about, and everybody is talking about it, men they talk about women but they don't talk about women like that. >> john, you have been watching this debate wa, did you make of it. >> to pick up on your point, gayle, what they don't talk is in gleeful terms about sexually assaulting women. that is a different line here, that is what is not in any >> the challenge for donald trump n this debate was to build on his base. he has a core debate. they are not worried about this video. they are not worried about anything he says. he's got them. his challenge was to reach out to those reluctant republicans,b to keep the fleeing republicanub officials leaving by the bus load in the last two days since this video came out by reassuring them show that it is a very, very big tough task so there was talk talk would be be con trietd, offer apologies, was he going to show he can fit debate because it would mean he could fit within the constraints of the white house. he decided forget about all that. we show up at 100 percent donald trump, counter punch hard. he would was going to beat up the washington politicians who made a mess of this country. he was going to talk right to his baissments he was going to beat up on the moderators. he was going to give hillary clinton no quawrks he was going bring up bill complin ton's past indiscretion as a president and that basically he was going do everything that made his base love him so much. that is his political chage and the republicans who were fleeing him are worried about the voters that he is turning off. they still have that worry.y. he still has that challenge. >> isn't that why the people that support donald like him. i was in ohio over the weekend talking to his supporters. they said we know who he. is exactly who he is and what he represents. >> but he has won the republican nomination. he needs to win the general election. he has been on a course since republicans, college educated women. some college educated men who have you are das without don't want to hear this stuff who will not admit that this is locker room talk. those are the voters who are nervous about donald trump. there is nothing he gave them tonight that is any dirve than the donald trump out there winning praise from his voters but not during the riskiness and worry in that other group. >> and to that point about this campaign, donald trump does not vch of an organization. he has relied on the republicanc national committee, the head of the republi committee after there tape was released has said stop the funding, let's put a pawz on. this lawmakers are meeting in washington tomorrow about whether to decide whether they will pull more support from donald trump. what are you hearing tobt? >> what i am hearing tonight is that before the debate when donald trump met with those women who had accusations about bill clinton, i was getting emails from republicans who were advising republican officials on the fence that this makes itit easier for them to leave donald trump. there is going to be a very important day in republicanub politics tomorrow. because it's not about what what happened before and what might happen in the future.ur people what were on the trump train now have to think aboutnk where it's going. that is the way it has been explained to me. is it going to keep being volatile and unpredictable and course. and do they want to stay on that train and republicans are trying to figure that out. there is nothing tonight that is going to change that. >> you not only met with the clinton accusers, he happen them sitting with the trump family, front and center on camera even taking a shot at bill clinton while they are talking about it. >> and ts that core group because he's willing to do what it takes. he said i will go to those lengths for you and for america in a way that people have not before. >> st appealing to a group. it is not appealing to a bigger group that he needs for theth general election. that is his challenge in theth campaign. >> but does he need the republican establishment? it doesn't seem like he thinks that he does.. >> he doesn't feel like he needs it and there is a split going on right now. and that split continues after this debate. oo donald trump and his family have left. the clintons have remained to shake hands with off the undecided voters who were part of this organization gi gallup and i think to engage them further. major garrett has, you were going say something. >> hillary clinton n terms of her challenges, when she explained this lincoln story where the debate excerpts, myy guess is people have did not find that story con vinszing. >> donald trump called her ton too. >> immediately. >> we have got-- taking pictures, we have analysts andly journalists standing by including john heilemann and hark halperin. with you first down to major garrett who has been covering the trump campaign. major, mike pence who is the vice presidential 234078 knee was watching tonight. at one point donald trump seemed to dishim. how do you think that plays. >> oh t didn't seem to dishim, did he dissed him before the largest audience possibly in american presidential debate said i did not talk to mike pence about this particular aspect of policy regarding russia and syria. and i disagree with him. and have i been in contact with those who are in the pence camp who have been very reluctant to describe pence's reaction.ct i can tell you this, mike pence going too this debate wanted to see donald trump be much more con triet. was not comfortable with thefo conversations going on in the campaign about an aggressive counterpunch against bill clinton and his sexual past. that is exactly what donald trump delivered. mike pence wanted his republican nominee to go down. and he wanted to be more con triet about the remarks that he made. ones that mike pence and his wife carren found to be deeply painful and distressing. pence has not been a public advocated for donald trump since the release of that friday tape. and the dissing he suffered tonight in the context of this debate may intensify some sense of distance he feels between himself and the republican republicans watching this, both in the trump campaign and those trying to figure out the vote ahead. tonight's debate was for them a micros could am of trump, some moments of brilliant like the joke he made about abraham lincoln, talking about a speciae prosecutedder to take on hillary clinton about the emails but also wayward moment which they thought he didn't know the policy or the underlying politics. and that is a sense in miniature the con undrum that donald trump has presented and continues to present to the republican party are as resill yntd as any base of supportedders i have seen inn american presidential history. >> major, do you think the trump campaign was pleased with his performance tonight? because all day long we've been hearing he was going to be con triet. he was ashamed. he was embarrassed. he was going to make another statement of apology tonight that did not happen. >> it did not happen. the trump campaign is pleased because they do believe that the most important selling point that donald trump has always brought to the american political dialogue son the move when my back is up against the wall. that is what they believe donald trump did and they also are also very pleased with the overall debate prep that chris christie the new jersey governor lead on all the other aspects of this debaivment i had a telling conversation with a very senior trump advisor right before this debate. we're prepared for the ten minutes that we know is going to be about the tape but we are also prepared for the other 08 minutes in a way we weren't in the first debate. they believe his performance tonight is an indication of th. >> major garrett, thank you. cbs news coverage of the second presidential debate willl continue in just a moment. >> i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever do be those things. >> women have respect for me, and i will till, no, i have not. >> i think it's clear to anyone who heard it, that it represents ? i'll never follow your path ? ? i'll make mine and i won't look back ? ? i'll never go down your road ? ? i'll find my way on my own ? ? i'll never follow your path ? ? i'll make mine and i won't look back ? ? i'll find my way on my own ? ? i'm never gonna fall in line ? ? your future is not mine ? ? your future is not mine ? ? a wild "what-if." so scientists went to work. they examined 87 different protein structures and worked for 12 long years. there were thousands of patient volunteers and the hope of millions. and so after it became a medicine, someone who couldn't be cured, could be. me. >> i think the one you should an poll giezing for are the 3 3,000 emails that you deleted. >> just awfully good that someone with the temper am of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you would be in jail. >> . >> this election is being he circus tent now, john heilemann and mark halperin are managing editors of bloomberg politics. i want both of your takes on this debate.e. i just got an email from a source saying that the pence team is nuclear tonight. pissed was the word that one person used about the comment that donald trump used. what is happening inside the republican party right now? >> well arc lot of were scared going into tonight. i think some will be calmed by the performance but i think in the light of day, particularly as-- are you able to hear us? >> yes am we can hear you. >> you can hear us? >> yes. i think some republicans, i think some republicans will be calmed by this performance but there were so many moments which will set people on edge, so many moments that will continue to will not be a strong enough force at the top of the ticket. so i think trump didn't end in disas trer but he leaves a lot of people uneasy.as >> let's go to nancy cordist. what are you hearing? >> the clinton campaign is already declaring victory in debate number two.wo. they argue that donald trump was far more focused tonight on try to right a listing campaign than he was in winning over new voters. and it is true that he went after clinton on a number of fronts tonight that hist supporters, frankerly, wish that he had in the first debate. on her emails, on calling his supporters a basket of deplorableses, on the wall w street speeches, she had toto spentd a lot of the night on the defensive. he must have called her a liar a dozen times. he said a number of times she hadn't achieved anything in the 30 years of her public life so she had to spends a lot of times explaining what she had achieved going through her resume talking about helping to create the children's health insurance program, talking about going around the world talking aboutin women's rights. and that kind of thing. i will tell you that the clinton campaign while it acknowledgeswl that trump was stronger on the second effort that than he may have been on the first, theyst still argue that he made a debate, that they will use against him over the next two weeks first of all at one point he admitted in his word that he knows nothing about russia. i think you can expect to see that in adds between now and election day, he also admitted that he did not pay any federal income taxes for a number of kreers so he wouldn't say exactly how many years when he was pressed by the moderatedders. insistence, nora and gayle that his comments about sexually assaulting women as the moderatedders put it all those years ago were simply locker room talk. >> he said that repeatedly when anderson pressed him about t hee said he had not done any of the things that he had set. said he had not groped women and that he had not made any unwanted advances. he said a point of saying no, i didn't do those things, what do you think? >> well, that was kind of a passing tone for him. i thought just on the point of going aftear should remember that he not only called her the devil, but he promised if elected president he would put her in jail. that is new. we have never as far as can i remember, had that in american history. >> the suggestion of dhoog to a political opponent, through asking the attorney to put a political opponent jail. >> exactly right that is what is new. and that is usually the kind of things, that is another boundary that he crossed, again something we should remember are often a lot about getting your base fired up. both bases will be fired up here because hillary clin continue's base will remember all the things they don't like about trump and many are voting because they don't like trump, not necessarily because they love clinton. donald trump, his base will be excited but again that's not enough. >> it was an extraordinary moment tonight two when the question about income taxes came up. when income taxes came up, donald trump appeared to admit he had not paid taxes for almost two decades.es >> that's right. he tried to push it and put it back on her, if he wanted to fix the laws you would have while were you there. its with as effective a pivot as he can have given that liability. because what people found obnoxious in the first debateat was when he boasted about not paying taxes. >> he said it made him spart. >> it made him smart and in focus groups done by allies ofie the clinton team, he found that boast, not the underlying not paying but the boast was what hurt him in this case he didn't hi clinton and said you haven'tav done anything to fix the tax code-- code and are you not going to. of course the claim he maids about the tax, the fact check remembers well at work with the mischaracterizations. >> in addition to saying he would have her arrested, he also said she had hate in her heartrt theres with a noticeableic gas when he said that. the audience was surprised at that and with the one point he seemed to call her the devil. jericka duncan is at a debate watching party in phil jericka, what are they saying there? >> . >> we are here at city tab bar and grill here in philadelphia. we spoke to three democrats and two republicans who join us right now. overall just give me a sense of who do you think dominated this debate.at hillary clinton or donald trump, all in favor of hillary clinton. so three for hillary and you all, two republicans, what did >> i think that donald trump continued to interrupt a woman who is more capable and experienced than he is and show nods remorse for that behavior. he never answered a question. >> people talk about donald trump being incivil or quote unquote nonpolitical. that is what he has been from day bun. >> do you expect him to b debates. i'm not-- i don't understand why you expect him to be any different. >> you are a republican as well watch. did you think of how he handled the mention of those crude audience tapes. >> i think those audiotapes are indefensible. he didn't try to defend them. he apologized, he moved on. i would argue that the american people should be mr concernednc with what hillary clinton has done than what donald trump has said. as a clinton supporter, what did an where you swayed at all? >> no, i'm not. i thought that dn ald trump was rude. i didn't like how he kept interrupting. he was very condescending and he didn't answer questions. especially the first three questions that were asked. he never actually honed in on answering the actual question. >> i know you said it wasn't until recently that you decided that were you going to vote for hillary clinton. attract you at one point? >> i think as far as immigration concerns he is truly concerned about what this country is doing as far as the borders.de but other things that she wants to do like letting other peopleo in. that is one reason i did agree with trump. but at the end of the day i want to see our inner cities do well. i want to see our schools stay with hillary because hillary believes in our inner cities. >> all right, so just an idea of what some votes are saying, thank you so much for staying with us and joining us. we'll send it back to you norah, gayle and john. >> thank you very much, they are calling this the most tweeteded debate of the past two debates. two of them came from tim kaine and mike pence. tim kaine said no question who won, donald to us canned onn hillary, hillary focused on the american people. mike pence tweeted this c to my running mate, at the real donald trump on a big debate,at proud to stand with you.. bob schieffer if you had to tweet what would it be in one word to describe what we witnessed this evening. >> more than one evening, i would just say how have we come to this. >> good answer. >> this is supposed to be a campaign for the most powerful office in the land. here we are marching in, women, into the hall, we're supposed to have some relationship with one what is that supposed to prove. over and over f i'm elected, i'm going to put new jail. i mean this is what they do in banana republics. this is the united states of america. people keep asking me have we-- have i ever seen anything like this. nd i keep saying no. and i just hope to god i don't see another campaign like this one. america can do better than what we have seen here tonight. this was just disgraceful. >> i think as we started off saying this is call a presidential debate but there wasn't much presidential about some of the discussion, bob schieffer. >> this is wrestle mania, this isn't about presidential politics within on both sides, bob, on both sides. >> i think donald trump gets most of the blame here. but i didn't see much to be proud of tonight. although i felt she handled herself as well as she could under the circumstances.

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