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intelligence community wrestle with a new phase, where a homeland terror threat is growing. the moment, urgent. the president of the united states huddled with his national security team. a growing concern after we learned the female member of the killer couple swore aleej yans to the lead of isis. isis seizing the moment, calling the kills supporter. >> isis and otherer terrorist groups are actively encouraging followers to commit acts of terror. >> reporter: the fbi continues to try to exploit phones and computers left behind by the suspects. even though they took efforts to try to destroy evidence. family, friends and associates being interviewed, with the investigation international, as the fbi focuses on trips abroad, >> so far, we have no indication that these killers are part of an organized, larger group. >> reporter: but if this couple was truly inspired by isis, it marks an evolution in the terror threat. the fbi has warning for months about isis' unprecedented social media campaign urging followers here in u.s. to attack. isis-inspired attack narrowlied a verdicted in may when two men armed with rifles targeted a cartoon conference. in the last two years, the fbi has identified or arrested nearly 90 suspected isis supporters here at home, at least 20 teenagers, 13 females, 15 of those arrested, accused of trying to launch murderous plots this couple who left behind a 6-month-old baby to go on a killing rampage. it had no warning that a sub suburban couple had such lethal intentions. the isis social media has rgeted a young audience of troubled people who are buying in, a lethal new dynamic who we are only beginning to understand. more on that from secretary of state hillary clinton. i worked for president clinton, made charitable contributions in the past to the clinton foundation. welcome back. >> thanks, george. >> time to declare war on isis. >> look, we'rere definitely in conflict witit isis and i think we need a new update of military authorization, the aumf, that was passed after the attack after 9/11. >> why not declare war? >> it's a very legal term. make sure we have every tool at our disposable to number one, destroy ththr would-be caliphatat in iraq and syria. to destroy this network that they're using on the internet. >> what are you concerned about in the declaration in war? >> i think the legal experts say, there are a lot who say we already have the authority we need to go after isis or any international terrorist netwtwk, including al qaeda or anyone else. but i think it's important for congress to vote on behalf of the american people and make sure we're updating it to take into account the new authorities. >> you have been reluctant to say we're fighting radical islam, isn't it a mistake to not say it plain? >> well, that's a different a dangerous and distorted view of islam to promote their jihadist ambitions, i'm fine with that. >> what's the problem with radical islam. >> the problem is that sounds like we're declaring a war against religion. that's number one, wrong. you know enough about religion. iion't want to do that, because, number one, it doesn't do justice to the vast numbers of muslims in our own country and around the world who are peaceful people. number two, it helps to create this clash of civilizations that is actually a recruiting tool for isis and other radical jihadists who use this as a way of saying, w wre in a war againsthe west. youuust join us. if you're a muslim, you must join us. peace-loving muslim, you need to be with us against those who are distorting muslim. >> can you say today that we're winning the fight against isis? >> i can say today, we have a new set of threats. when you look at al qaeda in 9/11, no doubt that bin laden and his lunts were planning out to aitional attacks if they possibly possibly could, they did. we have dealt with that threat, it doesn't go away. we have dealt with it. now, we have to turn our attention to the very sophisticated prop began gags of this new threat from isis. we're not winningut it's too soon to say that we are doing everything we need to do. we have to fight them in the air, fight them on theround and we have to fight them on the internet and we have to do everything we can with our world to protect ourself. tonight, we'll hear from the president an intensification of thexisting strategy. if you look at the story about this woman and maybe the man, too, who got radicalized, self-radicalized, we're going to need help from facebook and from youtube and twitter, they cannot permit the recruitment and the actual direction of attacks or the celebration of violence by this sophisticated internet user. they're going to have to help us take down thehe announcements and these appeals as quickly as they get up. >> how about apple? no more enkripgs. >> i have to believe that the best minds in the private sector and the public sector could come together to help us deal with this evolving threat. and you know, i know what the argument is from the friends in nobody wanan to be feeling like their privacy is invaded. but i also what the argument is from the other side. so, please, let's get together and try to figure out the best way forward. >> some say we have to do more overaes as well. ted cruz said we have to carpet-bomb isis? >> that's an easy thing to say. clearly, we have to have a much more robust air campaign against isis tashts, against the oil infra infrastructure, against their leadership. i think you'll hear that from the president. part of what i have been arguing for is, we've got to do a better job of getting back the sunnis on the ground along with the kurds who can be the fighters, o will actually take back with targeted attacks on isis infrastructure, we'll still have to have people fighting. i do not believe those should be american combat troops. >> is that an absolute? >> i think it would make things worse not better. i think we have to up the speciallops. we need to take stock of what else we need. i think the more than 3,000 americans that we have on the ground in iraq who are advising and enabling the iraqi army have to be given the flexibility and the support they need. we should perhaps ask some of our current and retired military officers who dealt with the sunnis in anbar and elsewhere, to oncnc again reconstitute thehe fighting force they put into the fight against al qaeda in iraq. and that was one of my biggest complaints about malachi, he not only destroy the military also he went after those sunni leaders in anbar and we know from reporting some of them are supportive of isis. >> as you know, some of the republicans rivals have criticized you for focusing on gun control after the san bernardino attacks. california has some of the strictest gun control laws here, it didn't stop those attacks, either. >> what happened in san bernardino was a terrorist attack. no one is arguing with that. let's not forget, a week before, we had an american assault on planned parenthood and some weeks before that, we had an assault at a community college, i don't see these two as any way contradictory, we have to up our game against terrorists abroad and at home. fact that our gun laws and the easy access to those guns by people who shouldn't get them, mentally ill people, fugitives and congress refusing to prohibit people on the no-fly list from getting guns. these are two parts of the same approach that i'm taking to make us safe. yes, the a's position always is, you know, if you canan s sp everything why try to stop anything. we have laws that are going to govern our speed limits on roads knowing that some people are going to violate it we still have laws. we need to have comprehensive background checks. close the gun sale loon hole and end the liability for gun seller andhe critics of that vote, you look back at this list, they on the watch list did buy guns. >> we have a list, if you are on that list and you believe that you should not be on that list, we have a process to raise your objectives about b bng on thaha list. you getet on that list because there is some credible evidence that you belong on that list. >> some mistake and of course, there are ways for people to raise their concerns about being on the list. but i, for one, i took the shuttle from new york. i'm a lot happier having a list that keeps people off planes, any question about their intent or their potential behavior, so, i'm not -- i can't take anybody seriously who's going to chip away from the no-fly list. >> donald trump said the answer guns. >> this is the kind of deplorable, not only hateful response to a legitimate security issue, it's giving aid and comfort to isis and other radical jihadists. with respect to the gun issue it's legal to buy guns in america, if you're eligible to buy a gun you can buy a gun. i just want people to understand some of the threats we now face, whether it's the guy in charleston who should never have been given a gun. and killed nine innocent people. we should be able to approach both of these with some sense prevent terrorist attacks and how weprevent the wrong people from getting ahold of guns. >> quick break. stand by, much more from secretary clinton. later, another exclusive, florida governor jeb bush. >> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by pacific life. for life insurance, annuities and investments, choose pacific life. the power to help you succeed. i'm always there for my daughter. for the little things. and the big milestones. and just like i'm there for her, pacific life is there to help protect me and my family so i can enjoy all life's moments. pacific life. helping families for over 145 years achieve long-term financial security with lifelong retirement income. talk to a financial advisor today to grow your future with confidence. i have asthma... ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma sympto kept coming back on my long-term 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those. and that is part of -- you know, underlying principal of presenting it. it's amusing that the republican national committee would go after me, after they have spending cuts with no thought on how to pay for it and the trillion of dollars it will add to the budget. president obama inherited the worst financial crisis since the great depression, i don't think he gets the credit he deserves for digging us out. it's going to take good, fiscal responsibility that, that's what the wealthy will help fund some of the investment and no tax increases for anyone earning under $250,000. >> it's my goal. i have laid it out in this campaign. something that president obama promised. something that my president certainly tried to achieve. i want americans to know that i get it. that a lot of the losses that they expoornsed because of the great recession are still really pulling them down. you know, $13 trillion in family wealth was destroyed by the great recession, people lost their homes, 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>> the president has created directives from the white house that creates all sort of bureaucratic challenges for air strikes, up 75% of the sorties that left the base came back without dropping their ordinance ordinances because there was such a concern that there was no civilian casualties. even greater challenges. >> would you go as far as ted cruz, carpet-bomb? >> we have a strategy. we need to have a strategy, we need to train the military. i found it interesting that secretary clinton was talking about re-engaging with the sunni tribal leaders. when the obama administration left iraq, she only went there once the void was filled by isis. so, we have to create a full strategy, directly arming the kurds which this administration refuses to do, no-fly zone in syria, creating safe havens in syria so that the refugees don't feel compelled to leave. training an alocal army that can destroy isis. clinton is for a no-fly list. engaging again for the sunnis and kurds on the ground. where are you different from her on the strategy? >> how can you trust her? she has said the president has done a great job as it relates to his efforts in syria and iraq. i think she's a focus group person, she just focuses on what the sentiments at the time and the net result is, we don't have a strategy and she's not prepare to offer one up. >> but, do you have in specific differences with the strategy she lined out today? >> this is not radical islamic terrorism, or somehow they're radical christians, the simple fact is, the left has a hard time recognizing what this is, this a fight for western civilization. >> before san bernardino, you called donald trump's idea for monitoring mosques abhorrent. >> we have all of the capabilities to monitor people in our country trying to attack us. i'm not suggesting that we -- that already exists and that's more than appropriate. the director of the fbi has made it clear that there are hundreds of cases that they're monitoring and we should redouble our efforts in that regard. we don't have to target the religion, we have to target those who have co-opted the religion and make sure we're fully aware of the radicalizations taking place not just here but all around the world. >> how about this issue this no-fly list. >> ted kennedy and stephen hayes and cat stevens, this is not a list that you can be certain of. first impulse of hillary clinton and barack obama is to have gun control. the first impulse in my mind, let's have a strategy to take it deal with it here. >> harry reid pointed out this week, they pledge allegiance to isis in america, is that okay for you? >> i don't think it's appropriate. if we're tracking them, if someone's in our country and tracking them, they shouldn't be able to get guns, for sure. the no-fly list is a broader list. >> but, so you're saying, if the list were more refined then you would be -- >> yeah, if you're tracking someone who you believe may be a terrorist, of course they shouldn't get guns. the fbi has tt capability right now. >> but right now, according to the law, someone could pledge allegiance to isis wouldn't be disqualifying. >> it should be. they have the ability to look and see and notify when someone >> you heard secretary clinton on the issue, she said it made her laugh criticizing her, your proposals would increase the debt much more. >> that's wrong. the middle class has had a $2300 reduction in disposal since the day barack obama was inaugurated. those policies of more spending and more taxes will stifle the middle class. the proposals i lay out will promote higher growth. just by shifting medicaid back to the states you would save hundreds of billion of dollars. you need to take power from washington, shift it back to family and states. allow to 21st century to these policies. >> your plans would increase the debt by over $1 trillion. would increase income for americans is what the objective is, but we would control spending at a far greater rate than the trillion-dollar reduction. it's not their money. this is the money of american people. if we want to stimulate high groult, we got to make sure that the middle class gets a pay increase. >> you're in fifth place in iowa, fifth place in the public polls. i want to go back to -- when you started out this campaign about a year ago, about how you wanted to run it, i kind of know how a republican can win, whether it's many or somebody else -- it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more willing to be -- is donald trump proving that statement wrong? >> donald trump is not going to get the nomination. i have enough confidence in the republican primary voters in these early states and beyond, i know for a fact that a conservative isn't going to win unless they have a hopeful message. so, i'm sticking to my guns on that. that's who i am. you need to be authentic when you run. we have to fix these really big complex things that people are deeply and correctly frustrated by in washington, d.c. >> it seems like donald trump is succeeding right now, at least, with the darker tone. >> he's succeeding right now, for sure. he's a gifted politician, but he's not a serious candidate. he's not offering anything seriously relating to terrorism. but he's gifted politician. we connects with people's angst and their anger. but over the long haul we need to have productive, constructive ideas to lift people up. >> you heard secretary clinton, he said he's succeeding because >> he's just a gifted politician who's appealing to people's anger. listen, washington is broken. good news is, i have a proven record in tallahassee to disrupt the record. i have confidence -- george, come on out with me. it's working. it will show at the time that it matters, which is february 1st in iowa and new hampshire beyond that. we're making good, steady progress. >> donald trump is making some of your biggest supporters quite angry. full-page ads right now, where he compares trump suggests that he's like mussolini and hitler. is that appropriate? >> no, i don't. his message of division is not what we want. divider in chief. >> mike fernandez went on to say, if trump gets the nomination, he'll support hillary clinton as lesser of two evils. you're committed to supporting donald trump is the republican nominee? >> i have pledge to support the republican nominee and donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee. >> so, walk us through on how you get from here to there. you say your message is working out there on the stump. the super pac has spent $30 million on television. it hasn't moved the needle so far. what the strategy that gets you to victory? >> outwork, outorganize these early states. make progress. at this time, in the previous elections the election wasn't decided and it won't be decided until we start the process in february and go to march where a their primaries and caucuses. >> can you get to march if you don't win one of those first three? >> don't forget, nevada. yeah, i think i can. i'm going to do well in those. >> are you going to win? >> i'm going to work as hard as i can. i think people are going to be drawn to our message. we're hopeful and optimist zblik you also suggested out on the stump you would pick a female for your vice presidential nomination. >> i didn't say that, but i do believe our team has the broadest bench of really talent talented women that are in office already and the selection for a vice president will be -- will be an exciting one for whoever wins the nomination. >> governor, thank you for joining us. we have heard from the candidates. >> catch "this week" all week on abcnews.com, on facebook and on twitter. scene this week, news media there on live television going into the house of those killers san bernardino, the day after -- lot of questions about that this week. so many things we haven't seen let's talk about that with our roundtable right now. matthew dowd, jennifer granholm. georgetown professor michael eric dyson and alex castellanos, founder of newrepublican.org. matthew, let me start with you. how much is this going to change the presidential campaign? >> all of these incidences that we're seeing, part of the problem, vast majority of the country don't feel safe, the facts don't seem to matter in relationship to the fear. both sides haven't addressed this in the right way. president obama have skipped right over people's fears, we have the solution and we're going to fix it. the republicans have only repealed to people's fears. you have to base whatever policy what the facts are and what in people's heads. >> what do you need to hear from president obama tonight? >> actually, you know, secretary clinton laid out a bit of what we expect we'll hear from president, how to control isis here and abroad and on the internet. she laid out a comprehensive strategy. my guess is, he'll be doing something like this. the democrats are laying out specifics. she asked for congress to reauthorize the use of military force and to update it so they can attack. why haven they done it? why hasn't congress given the president the tools to be able to attack isis? >> the president is going to throw more words at our problems and that's the concern that a lot of americans have, that so somehow he has gone distant from this country. he doesn't share our fears, he's and we see the democratic party talking about terrorism, let's pass gun control laws and it's really cause global warming and that distances that party from the fears that americans has. it's a big fear. >> is there an empathy gap on this? >> not with president obama. what we're missing here, while that was going on, laquan mcdonald was going on, domestic terrorism, when you've got police represented of the state engaging our citizens there's an incredible sense of fear. this joins in ways of our concerns about international and global terrorism which are real, along with domestic expressions. obama is not distant from that, he has balance the concerns of security and fear. republican, let's bomb the hell out of them when you have -- >> matthew dowd, the more he does that, the better he does. >> i think donald trump right now in today's day and age, when you look at the polls, the dominant characteristic that side. hillary clinton on the democratic side and donald trump on the republican side. who is the strongest candidate. right now, people want the strongest candidate. even strong is wrong. >> what he is doing is so stoking fears, there's fear out there. he's breathing oxygen into it like a dragon. he uses that fear to divide the country by groups and he uses it to create language that actually empowers our enemy. >> reporter: a president said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. it doesn't alleviate the pressures and the realities of terror -- country that washington's elite and the news media are all making themselves feel better and superior by we don't have to respond to brute, barbaric evil -- >> no one is saying that. totally disagree. >> washington has grown distant. >> do you agree? do you agree with jeb bush that donald trump can't be the nominee? >> no, i don't think. i think it's entirely possible that donald trump is the nominee. >> do you think it's likely? >> no, i think it's possible cruz wins iowa. the field is crowded and a crowded field by definition is going to take longer to reduce and you can see that cruz, trump dynamic. >> the amazing thing about the dynamics today is that both candidates on each side are side. hillary clinton and donald trump. who are the most diiked, distrusted politicians to date. disconnected and the most particular polarizing candidates. if that's presented to the american public, there's going to be a response to that system no longer works -- >> i disagree. >> on the democratic side -- >> donald trump is going to win -- if the cnn poll is to be believed, donald trump is going to win the nomination, so, get ready for it. unless, wait a second two things happen, one, the nontrump candidates can consolidate around one person and two, they start taking him down, it just can't be chris christie's super pac. they've got to do -- between civilizations. a war within this country. internal civil war, donald trump seems racist and biased against all others that aren't part of narrow main stream versus a party that's serious about diversity and the complex organization of different kons tunesies working together. >> what about this properfect that hillary clinton and her supporters created, a bidding war, the republicans are guaranteeing a goldwater-style election in 2016? >> if we end up getting like a ted cruz that would be true. an alternative here, marco rubio needs to be tested. barack obama was tested by reverend wright by an economic meltdown and we saw him grow and mature and he became president because he was tested and imagine what happens if a marco by jeb bush, he needs to stand in front of nuclear blast, he'll either melt down or gain -- >> you think if he does that, he becomeses a superformidable candidate? >> if marco rubio becomes the republican nominee, he'll beat hillary clinton. because the american public right now wants a change from the current administration. the question right now, we keep talking about donald trump, he only is behind hillary clinton by 3 percentage points in a general election. i'm not saying that donald trump would win a general election, his demonstration of what he's doing, demonstrates the weakness on the democratic side. hillary clinton is not a dominant candidate that's going to walk away with this nomination. >> she's a dominant candidate. >> how many don't trust donald trump? >> you know, the republican side elections that american people stand against and the american people voted barack obama into office, clearly, that kind of polling doesn't really begin to get to the internal mechanism of fear and hatred -- >> what party today represents more people in the country today, which party holds the senate and the house -- the only thing that the democrats have right now is to win the presidency. if they were to lose the presidency -- >> when you got the big guy, other things matter but they don't matter as much. >> that's all we have for today. this from our abc stations. and sacrifice. in the month of november, one service member died overseas in iraq. before we go, a moment to remember bob clark, long before this week began, clark hosted our sunday morning broadcast issues and answers, one of the first washington correspondents hired by abc news in dallas the day jfk died. bob clark died at 93. that's all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. tune in tonight at 8:00 for our live coverage of president obama america." >> now it's this week in siouxland. >> today on this week insiouxland, for 550,000iowans w depend on medicaid for their health care, 2016 brings an uncertain future. thirs this morning acloser look at the change and why some are still skeptical o the plan put in place by terry branstad. two state lawmakers and the ceo

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intelligence community wrestle with a new phase, where a homeland terror threat is growing. the moment, urgent. the president of the united states huddled with his national security team. a growing concern after we learned the female member of the killer couple swore aleej yans to the lead of isis. isis seizing the moment, calling the kills supporter. >> isis and otherer terrorist groups are actively encouraging followers to commit acts of terror. >> reporter: the fbi continues to try to exploit phones and computers left behind by the suspects. even though they took efforts to try to destroy evidence. family, friends and associates being interviewed, with the investigation international, as the fbi focuses on trips abroad, >> so far, we have no indication that these killers are part of an organized, larger group. >> reporter: but if this couple was truly inspired by isis, it marks an evolution in the terror threat. the fbi has warning for months about isis' unprecedented social media campaign urging followers here in u.s. to attack. isis-inspired attack narrowlied a verdicted in may when two men armed with rifles targeted a cartoon conference. in the last two years, the fbi has identified or arrested nearly 90 suspected isis supporters here at home, at least 20 teenagers, 13 females, 15 of those arrested, accused of trying to launch murderous plots this couple who left behind a 6-month-old baby to go on a killing rampage. it had no warning that a sub suburban couple had such lethal intentions. the isis social media has rgeted a young audience of troubled people who are buying in, a lethal new dynamic who we are only beginning to understand. more on that from secretary of state hillary clinton. i worked for president clinton, made charitable contributions in the past to the clinton foundation. welcome back. >> thanks, george. >> time to declare war on isis. >> look, we'rere definitely in conflict witit isis and i think we need a new update of military authorization, the aumf, that was passed after the attack after 9/11. >> why not declare war? >> it's a very legal term. make sure we have every tool at our disposable to number one, destroy ththr would-be caliphatat in iraq and syria. to destroy this network that they're using on the internet. >> what are you concerned about in the declaration in war? >> i think the legal experts say, there are a lot who say we already have the authority we need to go after isis or any international terrorist netwtwk, including al qaeda or anyone else. but i think it's important for congress to vote on behalf of the american people and make sure we're updating it to take into account the new authorities. >> you have been reluctant to say we're fighting radical islam, isn't it a mistake to not say it plain? >> well, that's a different a dangerous and distorted view of islam to promote their jihadist ambitions, i'm fine with that. >> what's the problem with radical islam. >> the problem is that sounds like we're declaring a war against religion. that's number one, wrong. you know enough about religion. iion't want to do that, because, number one, it doesn't do justice to the vast numbers of muslims in our own country and around the world who are peaceful people. number two, it helps to create this clash of civilizations that is actually a recruiting tool for isis and other radical jihadists who use this as a way of saying, w wre in a war againsthe west. youuust join us. if you're a muslim, you must join us. peace-loving muslim, you need to be with us against those who are distorting muslim. >> can you say today that we're winning the fight against isis? >> i can say today, we have a new set of threats. when you look at al qaeda in 9/11, no doubt that bin laden and his lunts were planning out to aitional attacks if they possibly possibly could, they did. we have dealt with that threat, it doesn't go away. we have dealt with it. now, we have to turn our attention to the very sophisticated prop began gags of this new threat from isis. we're not winningut it's too soon to say that we are doing everything we need to do. we have to fight them in the air, fight them on theround and we have to fight them on the internet and we have to do everything we can with our world to protect ourself. tonight, we'll hear from the president an intensification of thexisting strategy. if you look at the story about this woman and maybe the man, too, who got radicalized, self-radicalized, we're going to need help from facebook and from youtube and twitter, they cannot permit the recruitment and the actual direction of attacks or the celebration of violence by this sophisticated internet user. they're going to have to help us take down thehe announcements and these appeals as quickly as they get up. >> how about apple? no more enkripgs. >> i have to believe that the best minds in the private sector and the public sector could come together to help us deal with this evolving threat. and you know, i know what the argument is from the friends in nobody wanan to be feeling like their privacy is invaded. but i also what the argument is from the other side. so, please, let's get together and try to figure out the best way forward. >> some say we have to do more overaes as well. ted cruz said we have to carpet-bomb isis? >> that's an easy thing to say. clearly, we have to have a much more robust air campaign against isis tashts, against the oil infra infrastructure, against their leadership. i think you'll hear that from the president. part of what i have been arguing for is, we've got to do a better job of getting back the sunnis on the ground along with the kurds who can be the fighters, o will actually take back with targeted attacks on isis infrastructure, we'll still have to have people fighting. i do not believe those should be american combat troops. >> is that an absolute? >> i think it would make things worse not better. i think we have to up the speciallops. we need to take stock of what else we need. i think the more than 3,000 americans that we have on the ground in iraq who are advising and enabling the iraqi army have to be given the flexibility and the support they need. we should perhaps ask some of our current and retired military officers who dealt with the sunnis in anbar and elsewhere, to oncnc again reconstitute thehe fighting force they put into the fight against al qaeda in iraq. and that was one of my biggest complaints about malachi, he not only destroy the military also he went after those sunni leaders in anbar and we know from reporting some of them are supportive of isis. >> as you know, some of the republicans rivals have criticized you for focusing on gun control after the san bernardino attacks. california has some of the strictest gun control laws here, it didn't stop those attacks, either. >> what happened in san bernardino was a terrorist attack. no one is arguing with that. let's not forget, a week before, we had an american assault on planned parenthood and some weeks before that, we had an assault at a community college, i don't see these two as any way contradictory, we have to up our game against terrorists abroad and at home. fact that our gun laws and the easy access to those guns by people who shouldn't get them, mentally ill people, fugitives and congress refusing to prohibit people on the no-fly list from getting guns. these are two parts of the same approach that i'm taking to make us safe. yes, the a's position always is, you know, if you canan s sp everything why try to stop anything. we have laws that are going to govern our speed limits on roads knowing that some people are going to violate it we still have laws. we need to have comprehensive background checks. close the gun sale loon hole and end the liability for gun seller andhe critics of that vote, you look back at this list, they on the watch list did buy guns. >> we have a list, if you are on that list and you believe that you should not be on that list, we have a process to raise your objectives about b bng on thaha list. you getet on that list because there is some credible evidence that you belong on that list. >> some mistake and of course, there are ways for people to raise their concerns about being on the list. but i, for one, i took the shuttle from new york. i'm a lot happier having a list that keeps people off planes, any question about their intent or their potential behavior, so, i'm not -- i can't take anybody seriously who's going to chip away from the no-fly list. >> donald trump said the answer guns. >> this is the kind of deplorable, not only hateful response to a legitimate security issue, it's giving aid and comfort to isis and other radical jihadists. with respect to the gun issue it's legal to buy guns in america, if you're eligible to buy a gun you can buy a gun. i just want people to understand some of the threats we now face, whether it's the guy in charleston who should never have been given a gun. and killed nine innocent people. we should be able to approach both of these with some sense prevent terrorist attacks and how weprevent the wrong people from getting ahold of guns. >> quick break. stand by, much more from secretary clinton. later, another exclusive, florida governor jeb bush. >> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by pacific life. for life insurance, annuities and investments, choose pacific life. the power to help you succeed. i'm always there for my daughter. for the little things. and the big milestones. and just like i'm there for her, pacific life is there to help protect me and my family so i can enjoy all life's moments. pacific life. helping families for over 145 years achieve long-term financial security with lifelong retirement income. talk to a financial advisor today to grow your future with confidence. i have asthma... ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma sympto kept coming back on my long-term 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those. and that is part of -- you know, underlying principal of presenting it. it's amusing that the republican national committee would go after me, after they have spending cuts with no thought on how to pay for it and the trillion of dollars it will add to the budget. president obama inherited the worst financial crisis since the great depression, i don't think he gets the credit he deserves for digging us out. it's going to take good, fiscal responsibility that, that's what the wealthy will help fund some of the investment and no tax increases for anyone earning under $250,000. >> it's my goal. i have laid it out in this campaign. something that president obama promised. something that my president certainly tried to achieve. i want americans to know that i get it. that a lot of the losses that they expoornsed because of the great recession are still really pulling them down. you know, $13 trillion in family wealth was destroyed by the great recession, people lost their homes, 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>> the president has created directives from the white house that creates all sort of bureaucratic challenges for air strikes, up 75% of the sorties that left the base came back without dropping their ordinance ordinances because there was such a concern that there was no civilian casualties. even greater challenges. >> would you go as far as ted cruz, carpet-bomb? >> we have a strategy. we need to have a strategy, we need to train the military. i found it interesting that secretary clinton was talking about re-engaging with the sunni tribal leaders. when the obama administration left iraq, she only went there once the void was filled by isis. so, we have to create a full strategy, directly arming the kurds which this administration refuses to do, no-fly zone in syria, creating safe havens in syria so that the refugees don't feel compelled to leave. training an alocal army that can destroy isis. clinton is for a no-fly list. engaging again for the sunnis and kurds on the ground. where are you different from her on the strategy? >> how can you trust her? she has said the president has done a great job as it relates to his efforts in syria and iraq. i think she's a focus group person, she just focuses on what the sentiments at the time and the net result is, we don't have a strategy and she's not prepare to offer one up. >> but, do you have in specific differences with the strategy she lined out today? >> this is not radical islamic terrorism, or somehow they're radical christians, the simple fact is, the left has a hard time recognizing what this is, this a fight for western civilization. >> before san bernardino, you called donald trump's idea for monitoring mosques abhorrent. >> we have all of the capabilities to monitor people in our country trying to attack us. i'm not suggesting that we -- that already exists and that's more than appropriate. the director of the fbi has made it clear that there are hundreds of cases that they're monitoring and we should redouble our efforts in that regard. we don't have to target the religion, we have to target those who have co-opted the religion and make sure we're fully aware of the radicalizations taking place not just here but all around the world. >> how about this issue this no-fly list. >> ted kennedy and stephen hayes and cat stevens, this is not a list that you can be certain of. first impulse of hillary clinton and barack obama is to have gun control. the first impulse in my mind, let's have a strategy to take it deal with it here. >> harry reid pointed out this week, they pledge allegiance to isis in america, is that okay for you? >> i don't think it's appropriate. if we're tracking them, if someone's in our country and tracking them, they shouldn't be able to get guns, for sure. the no-fly list is a broader list. >> but, so you're saying, if the list were more refined then you would be -- >> yeah, if you're tracking someone who you believe may be a terrorist, of course they shouldn't get guns. the fbi has tt capability right now. >> but right now, according to the law, someone could pledge allegiance to isis wouldn't be disqualifying. >> it should be. they have the ability to look and see and notify when someone >> you heard secretary clinton on the issue, she said it made her laugh criticizing her, your proposals would increase the debt much more. >> that's wrong. the middle class has had a $2300 reduction in disposal since the day barack obama was inaugurated. those policies of more spending and more taxes will stifle the middle class. the proposals i lay out will promote higher growth. just by shifting medicaid back to the states you would save hundreds of billion of dollars. you need to take power from washington, shift it back to family and states. allow to 21st century to these policies. >> your plans would increase the debt by over $1 trillion. would increase income for americans is what the objective is, but we would control spending at a far greater rate than the trillion-dollar reduction. it's not their money. this is the money of american people. if we want to stimulate high groult, we got to make sure that the middle class gets a pay increase. >> you're in fifth place in iowa, fifth place in the public polls. i want to go back to -- when you started out this campaign about a year ago, about how you wanted to run it, i kind of know how a republican can win, whether it's many or somebody else -- it has to be much more uplifting, much more positive, much more willing to be -- is donald trump proving that statement wrong? >> donald trump is not going to get the nomination. i have enough confidence in the republican primary voters in these early states and beyond, i know for a fact that a conservative isn't going to win unless they have a hopeful message. so, i'm sticking to my guns on that. that's who i am. you need to be authentic when you run. we have to fix these really big complex things that people are deeply and correctly frustrated by in washington, d.c. >> it seems like donald trump is succeeding right now, at least, with the darker tone. >> he's succeeding right now, for sure. he's a gifted politician, but he's not a serious candidate. he's not offering anything seriously relating to terrorism. but he's gifted politician. we connects with people's angst and their anger. but over the long haul we need to have productive, constructive ideas to lift people up. >> you heard secretary clinton, he said he's succeeding because >> he's just a gifted politician who's appealing to people's anger. listen, washington is broken. good news is, i have a proven record in tallahassee to disrupt the record. i have confidence -- george, come on out with me. it's working. it will show at the time that it matters, which is february 1st in iowa and new hampshire beyond that. we're making good, steady progress. >> donald trump is making some of your biggest supporters quite angry. full-page ads right now, where he compares trump suggests that he's like mussolini and hitler. is that appropriate? >> no, i don't. his message of division is not what we want. divider in chief. >> mike fernandez went on to say, if trump gets the nomination, he'll support hillary clinton as lesser of two evils. you're committed to supporting donald trump is the republican nominee? >> i have pledge to support the republican nominee and donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee. >> so, walk us through on how you get from here to there. you say your message is working out there on the stump. the super pac has spent $30 million on television. it hasn't moved the needle so far. what the strategy that gets you to victory? >> outwork, outorganize these early states. make progress. at this time, in the previous elections the election wasn't decided and it won't be decided until we start the process in february and go to march where a their primaries and caucuses. >> can you get to march if you don't win one of those first three? >> don't forget, nevada. yeah, i think i can. i'm going to do well in those. >> are you going to win? >> i'm going to work as hard as i can. i think people are going to be drawn to our message. we're hopeful and optimist zblik you also suggested out on the stump you would pick a female for your vice presidential nomination. >> i didn't say that, but i do believe our team has the broadest bench of really talent talented women that are in office already and the selection for a vice president will be -- will be an exciting one for whoever wins the nomination. >> governor, thank you for joining us. we have heard from the candidates. >> catch "this week" all week on abcnews.com, on facebook and on twitter. scene this week, news media there on live television going into the house of those killers san bernardino, the day after -- lot of questions about that this week. so many things we haven't seen let's talk about that with our roundtable right now. matthew dowd, jennifer granholm. georgetown professor michael eric dyson and alex castellanos, founder of newrepublican.org. matthew, let me start with you. how much is this going to change the presidential campaign? >> all of these incidences that we're seeing, part of the problem, vast majority of the country don't feel safe, the facts don't seem to matter in relationship to the fear. both sides haven't addressed this in the right way. president obama have skipped right over people's fears, we have the solution and we're going to fix it. the republicans have only repealed to people's fears. you have to base whatever policy what the facts are and what in people's heads. >> what do you need to hear from president obama tonight? >> actually, you know, secretary clinton laid out a bit of what we expect we'll hear from president, how to control isis here and abroad and on the internet. she laid out a comprehensive strategy. my guess is, he'll be doing something like this. the democrats are laying out specifics. she asked for congress to reauthorize the use of military force and to update it so they can attack. why haven they done it? why hasn't congress given the president the tools to be able to attack isis? >> the president is going to throw more words at our problems and that's the concern that a lot of americans have, that so somehow he has gone distant from this country. he doesn't share our fears, he's and we see the democratic party talking about terrorism, let's pass gun control laws and it's really cause global warming and that distances that party from the fears that americans has. it's a big fear. >> is there an empathy gap on this? >> not with president obama. what we're missing here, while that was going on, laquan mcdonald was going on, domestic terrorism, when you've got police represented of the state engaging our citizens there's an incredible sense of fear. this joins in ways of our concerns about international and global terrorism which are real, along with domestic expressions. obama is not distant from that, he has balance the concerns of security and fear. republican, let's bomb the hell out of them when you have -- >> matthew dowd, the more he does that, the better he does. >> i think donald trump right now in today's day and age, when you look at the polls, the dominant characteristic that side. hillary clinton on the democratic side and donald trump on the republican side. who is the strongest candidate. right now, people want the strongest candidate. even strong is wrong. >> what he is doing is so stoking fears, there's fear out there. he's breathing oxygen into it like a dragon. he uses that fear to divide the country by groups and he uses it to create language that actually empowers our enemy. >> reporter: a president said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. it doesn't alleviate the pressures and the realities of terror -- country that washington's elite and the news media are all making themselves feel better and superior by we don't have to respond to brute, barbaric evil -- >> no one is saying that. totally disagree. >> washington has grown distant. >> do you agree? do you agree with jeb bush that donald trump can't be the nominee? >> no, i don't think. i think it's entirely possible that donald trump is the nominee. >> do you think it's likely? >> no, i think it's possible cruz wins iowa. the field is crowded and a crowded field by definition is going to take longer to reduce and you can see that cruz, trump dynamic. >> the amazing thing about the dynamics today is that both candidates on each side are side. hillary clinton and donald trump. who are the most diiked, distrusted politicians to date. disconnected and the most particular polarizing candidates. if that's presented to the american public, there's going to be a response to that system no longer works -- >> i disagree. >> on the democratic side -- >> donald trump is going to win -- if the cnn poll is to be believed, donald trump is going to win the nomination, so, get ready for it. unless, wait a second two things happen, one, the nontrump candidates can consolidate around one person and two, they start taking him down, it just can't be chris christie's super pac. they've got to do -- between civilizations. a war within this country. internal civil war, donald trump seems racist and biased against all others that aren't part of narrow main stream versus a party that's serious about diversity and the complex organization of different kons tunesies working together. >> what about this properfect that hillary clinton and her supporters created, a bidding war, the republicans are guaranteeing a goldwater-style election in 2016? >> if we end up getting like a ted cruz that would be true. an alternative here, marco rubio needs to be tested. barack obama was tested by reverend wright by an economic meltdown and we saw him grow and mature and he became president because he was tested and imagine what happens if a marco by jeb bush, he needs to stand in front of nuclear blast, he'll either melt down or gain -- >> you think if he does that, he becomeses a superformidable candidate? >> if marco rubio becomes the republican nominee, he'll beat hillary clinton. because the american public right now wants a change from the current administration. the question right now, we keep talking about donald trump, he only is behind hillary clinton by 3 percentage points in a general election. i'm not saying that donald trump would win a general election, his demonstration of what he's doing, demonstrates the weakness on the democratic side. hillary clinton is not a dominant candidate that's going to walk away with this nomination. >> she's a dominant candidate. >> how many don't trust donald trump? >> you know, the republican side elections that american people stand against and the american people voted barack obama into office, clearly, that kind of polling doesn't really begin to get to the internal mechanism of fear and hatred -- >> what party today represents more people in the country today, which party holds the senate and the house -- the only thing that the democrats have right now is to win the presidency. if they were to lose the presidency -- >> when you got the big guy, other things matter but they don't matter as much. >> that's all we have for today. this from our abc stations. and sacrifice. in the month of november, one service member died overseas in iraq. before we go, a moment to remember bob clark, long before this week began, clark hosted our sunday morning broadcast issues and answers, one of the first washington correspondents hired by abc news in dallas the day jfk died. bob clark died at 93. that's all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. tune in tonight at 8:00 for our live coverage of president obama america." >> now it's this week in siouxland. >> today on this week insiouxland, for 550,000iowans w depend on medicaid for their health care, 2016 brings an uncertain future. thirs this morning acloser look at the change and why some are still skeptical o the plan put in place by terry branstad. two state lawmakers and the ceo

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