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just released, cops launch an intense search for a ruthless hit-and-run driver. two little girls crossing street are suddenly hit and thrown about 40 feet. this driver never stopped. just left these poor girls hurting lying in the middle of the street. amazingingly, thankfully, they survived but we want to know where is this heartless driver. plus airlines raising the fees for checked baggage again. just how much more could it possibly go up? it just went up 25 buck as bag. bring along the family, you can easily add hundreds of bucks to your ticket. this fair? when is it going to end? call in, 1-877-tell-hln's the number. taking your e-mails cnn.com/primenews your facebook comments and text messages. text us hln tv and start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard! welcome once again this is "prime news" i'm mike galanos. this next story comes with a strong warning it is very disturbing video, just into us showing two young girls one little, a 3-year-old and 14-year-old hit by a car and thrown about 40 feet. again, if you want to get the kids out of the room, now would be the time. we'll say this. they did survive and police in los angeles are on a frantic search to find this hit-and-run driver. again the warning for you, the video is horrific, disturbing but it may help us find who did this. we see the car, here it is. again, there's the spot shadow, as you see the little girls get hit. it is just awful when you think of a 3-year-old and her 14-year-old aunt. the driver barely hits the brakes at young girls were walking across the street. you see hurled into the air, the driver never stops, goodness. these girls were seriously hurt, left in the street. the 3-year-old ends up with a broken femur, broken ankle. 14-year-old aunt broken pelvis. again, they are all going to survive, they are recovering. who could be this cruel as to just drive away? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about this steve kardian, former criminal investigator. i can't believe what we're seeing here so i think a lot of people wonder, this person, they just drive off, how are we going to track them down? >> well, mike, law enforcement will search body shots, canvassing the neighborhood, they will be looking for any evidence of a vehicle that sustained damage that needed to be repaired and are going to have a composite and they can even check the department of motor vehicle records to identify the year and make of vehicle and perhaps identify a vehicle in the area which would give them a head start. >> okay, here are some things we do know. as you mentioned, steve, could be key damage to the right front of the vehicle and a brake light in the middle of the rear window, something to go on. how do you think we found out this could be a female driver, steve? >> either there was a witness on scene or the young girls got a glimpse into that vehicle before they were struck. i don't think that the video that we see today is clear enough to enhance to be able to show that. >> yeah. okay. let's talk about because, yes, whoever was driving, if they just stop and help out, would they have faced charges and, if so, what? if they would have stopped. >> in all likelihood, they probably -- absent aggravating circumstances, barring dwi or a suspended license in all li likelihood would not face charges however now certainly are going to face charges. >> flat out hit-and-run, right. >> looking at hit-and-run, leaving the scene, possibly an aggravated assault and whatever, if they can prove they were intoxicated or that, you know, the person driving had a suspended license, again aggravated factors. >> let's bring in thomas, former prosecutor and defense attorney. good to have you back. we were just talking about that side of it. and reiterate for us, you know, if something like this happens, just stop and help out, right? i mean, this was -- there was no crosswalk. these young girls should not have been crossing where they were in the middle of the road. looked like a busy street, as well. probably not charges, right. >> i mean, look, from a legal standpoint, shoe stop and help out. from a standpoint of being a good citizen, a member of humanity you should stop and help out. yeah, if they weren't violating the vehicle and traffic laws, they weren't speeding doing 60 in a 45 or running stop signs or running red lights then, you know, even though what we all consider a tragedy had occurred, there really would be no impetus for criminal charges. now, what the facts and circumstances of this accident, were we don't know. often, do you see in situations where people flee the scene of the accident quite often the motivation is they are intoxicat intoxicated, under the influence of medication or alcohol or street drugs and causes them to panic and flee, if i stop, the consequences will be more severe but there is no way of knowing whether that played any part in this case. >> we just saw the pictures of the cute little 3-year-old, she's got casts on both legs, again broken ankle, broken femur. let's listen to her aunt who, again, ended up with a broken pelvis, very emotional. you see this cute little girl and what she's going through now. let's listen to the aunt. >> i want her to heal because she wakes up in the night like with nightmares she tells me in her nightmares she calls me and tells me to hold her hand and i hear her and it hurts. >> you see the emotions, this cute little 3-year-old going through this traumatic situation. thomas, how will that factor in, if at all, to a judge's decision as you dole out punishment if and when we catch this person? >> i think you are exactly right, mike. it'll be, for better or worse, probably an issue of punishment because the fact they fleed the scene, yeah you can charge them with hit-and-run but does not give the basis for charging an assault or driving while intoxicated unless you have further evidence. for instance if the police catch up with the driver and figure out who it was and get a statement implicating themselves, the reason i fled was because i was intoxicated or some other reason you might see assault charges and dwi and so forth. but if they catch up with this defendant and all they have fleeing the scene, usually in most jurisdictions that is a misdemeanor, maybe a maximum of a year in prison. >> a couple of facebooks coming in. guys, thanks so much. coming up breaking news for you deadly shooting at a truck rental shop outside of atlanta. police say a disgruntled worker started firing. two dead, three are wounded. welcome back. breaking news for you a deadly workplace shooting this just outside of atlanta, georgia northwest of the city in kennesaw, georgia two killed, three others wounded cops say a gunman dressed in camouflage went on a rampage inside the penske truck rental building there. again, calling him a disgruntled worker as we try to get more and find out motive why this would take place. joining us to talk about it leslie tanner, reporter for our affiliate. what's the latest, what do we know? >> reporter: mike, police just came out and toukd to alked to little bit ago. we're not sure about the extent of the injuries. again, they say this was an older white male an ex-employee, they are referring to him as disgruntled. they couldn't tell us how long ago he worked here at penske but say he worked here for several years, came into the building just before 2:00 dressed in camouflage and opened fire they say he used a handgun, two dead, three injured but not sure of the extent of the injuries right now. >> did he go after co-workers, more ownership and people in offices, where did he enter the building and how did it go down? >> reporter: yeah, mike they say the first confrontation was actually out in one of the truck bays, it started outside. they believe that was an employee, not sure if it was a current worker but say the first person he approached was somebody that has dealings with penske her and then went inside. we hear possibly of the five victims, four are employees here at penske. one may have been a customer. we're working on getting that confirmed. again, what is going on here at the building, this is actually corporate headquarters as well as a place you can come and lease trucks but they say the corporate headquarters the offices are really on the second floor and they say he never went up to that second floor. right now we are looking at possible employees not sure of the nature of those employees, possibly a driver we hear, may have been a victim. >> where did he go afterward. he flees where is he apprehended? he's in custody, right? >> reporter: he is in custody, that's an important thing police keep telling us if you're in the area not to worry this person was apprehended within minutes of the shooting. they say they got several 911 calls not just from witnesses but believe from people outside the building, as well. they believe those 911 calls started coming in while the shooter was still inside. they got a description of him. the camouflage outfit he was wearing and the red truck he was driving. they say he was only in the building for just a few minutes and as soon as he left the building, they had so many police in the area, they were able to apprehend him, stopped on a street corner less than a mile from here. i actually was over there at the beginning of this closer to 2:00 we saw his red truck there. he had been apprehended. they towed the truck away. right now he is in police custody being enter sinterviewee hope to figure out the motive. >> as he was apprehended, no -- without incident pretty much is that what we gather? >> reporter: that's exactly what police say, without incident. again, they had so many officers in the area -- they were able to stop him in the middle of the road. his truck was stopped in the middle of lanes of traffic. they blocked off the road there, stopped him, arrested him and say absolutely without incident he was taken into custody. >> okay. leslie tanner from atlanta, thank you very much for an update on that tragic situation. >> reporter: thank you. >> coming up talking about a tragic situation we've followed, 15-year-old michael brewer suffered burns over 65% of his body. young kids are accus accused three teens accused of setting him on fire. for the first time now we are getting the victim's account of what happened. welcome back to "prime news" on hln. i warn you this next story is graphic and disturbing, disturbing at so many levels. a follow-up, remember the story of michael brewer, the 15-year-old boy, cops say a group of punk kids drenched him in rubbing alcohol and lit him on fire. now we are getting a clearer picture of the brutality. the victim, michael brewer, says he felt cold stuff on his clothes referring to the alcohol then a burning sensation. this is the first time we're really hearing him talk about the tragic incident, what he remembers. again, we warn you this is graphic. here's derrick hayward from our affiliate wsvn in ft. lauderdale, florida. >> got up to you, what did he say to you? >> he said nobody's going hit you. >> what's your first memory after this? >> cold stuff all over my clothes and started burning. >> when detectives were finally able to interview burn victim michael brewer, it was six pain-filled weeks after the attack when he was doused with alcohol and set on fire. >> somebody poured something on me and lit me on fire. >> okay. >> i started running. >> 15-year-old matthew bent known as zeke is accused of instigating the attack. as revenge over his arrest for trying to steal this bike belonging to michael's father. >> he came to my house. he tried to take my dad's bike. he threatened me. he threatened my sister. >> three teenagers sit here charged as adults in the adult broward county jail. their videotaped statements are not public record yet but among all this stuff that is are videotaped statements of some of the many witnesses. >> right around here -- >> reporter: witness cal ven kinny walked cops through the entire scenario. describing how matthew bent, aka zeke told denver jarvis, aka d.c. to toss the combustible fluid. >> yeah, yeah pour it on him, he went and poured on his back. >> how many times did he shake it out? >> he held it for like three to five seconds then he stopped. >> okay. was it a lot? >> it was like [ inaudible ]. >> this 16-year-old is accused of lighting the alcohol as his own little brother watched. >> [ inaudible ]. >> the victim dove into this pool as three friends ran to try to help him. >> this guy comes running up, he tried to pull me out of the water. i said, no, leave me, leave me. my skin was, like, hanging. >> hmm. he continues to recover. he is recovering, was released from the hospital, had to go back in because of breathing problems and is out of the hospital now. incredible story. joining notice talk about it rafael omeda also welcome back thomas, former prosecutor and michelle golland clinical psychologist. i'll start with you. what do you think michael is going through, as we hear him talk about it and we heard he had nightmares and as he re-lives it he thinks about this nightmare? >> right. i would not be surprised he wouldn't be suffering from post traumatic stress disorder from an event like this, that much trauma and re-living the episode and dealing with the anxiety of that. it would not surprise me at all. >> the clear memories, how does that affect recovery? he is talking about it. some things he forgot but most sounds like he remembers. >> right. well, again, what that would do, could increase the likelihood of the ptsd because he actually has the memories of the event so he, you know, can recall them. and, again, he's, also, in so much physical pain that -- that when we're in physical pain, that also can cause psychological issues. i'm sure he is dealing and battling depression on top of any anxiety that he's dealing with and the stress, the emotional stress of what he's been through and being attacked like this and his family and, so forth. it's a horrific situation. >> it sure, is doctors, though, praising his fighting spirit, somewhat surprised it sounded like he was able to get out of the hospital. let's bring in rafael again, following this. we hear from him. you went through some of the 300 pages of documents. what stood out to you as you poured over them? >> what stood out really is some of the stuff that's missing, some of the stuff you would expect to find there that you don't. one thing you don't see, for example, is the alleged ringleader of this group never actually orders the other person to set this kid on fire. he says, pour the alcohol on him, pour it on him but you never hear him say, okay, light it. and i think that's going to play in -- during any trial that happens as to whether there was any premeditation at all. prosecutors haven't even charged premeditation on this. they are saying this is an attack that was vicious in its consequence but it will be real interesting to watch the three defendants start with the finger pointing as to who is to blame for what aspect of the crime. >> exactly. thomas, about 30 seconds, so real quick, from what we're hearing, matthew bent, ringleader, all not good for him. and we'll continue with more detail on that. but, you've got to agree as we look at this. >> it's not good for him, mike, also the prosecutors are going to proceed on an acting in consort theory meaning that, you know, each individual to the extent they participated in the act at all could be equally and sever aly liable. >> let's pick up on that after the break. more coming up. stay with us. another hike, airlines jacking up the fees for baggage. up to 25 bucks per bag, that's one way. so a round-trip flight, 50 bucks a bag. it will drive i right to the car and out of the airplane, right? we'll talk about it. are you infuriated or saying they are a business, struggling since 9/11, got to make money. meantime, want to hit on this story, heart breaking an infuriating to find out a child was raped, killed by someone just let out of jail, a convicted sex offender allowed to walk the street. goes out an attacks another innocent child, reoffends. today there is a way to keep these violent sex offenders locked up indefinitely, the worst of the worst, way past their prison sentences, sometimes for life. it is called civil commitment allowed in 20 states but the supreme court is looking into whether or not this is legal. is it right to keep rapists locked up indefinitely? here's kay baldwin from our sister network, cnn. >> reporter: january 1973, 13-year-old martin andrews abducted off a virginia street. >> he looked at me and said i've got bad news for you, you've just been kidnapped. >> reporter: he was sexually assaulted bay pedophile on parole for two similar attacks then left for dead. >> i was buried out in the middle of nowhere, you know, with a chain around my ankle. i was going nowhere. i was going to die there. >> reporter: almost 30 years later when he found out his attacker was getting out of prison he made it his mission to stop him. >> it was incredibly frightening to me because i lived and continue to live every day what he did to me. and i don't want another child to have to go through that. >> reporter: andrews got virginia lawmakers to enforce what's called a civil commitment law which lets the government keep sexual offenders who have served their prison time locked in treatment centers indefinitely. so essentially, you think there are some who are too dangerous to get out. >> to be released, you're exactly right too dangerous to walk our streets. >> reporter: supporters say the only fool-proof way to keep sexual offenders from striking again but critics say there is little evidence that treatment works to justify taking their freedom. days before getting out of prison a judge ordered him into civil commitment. >> it is double jeopardy. you are not able to leave on your own free will. you're locked up 24/7. it's no different than being in jail or in prison. >> reporter: one of the few ever released from civil commitment, he says he now lives a quiet life albeit under constant surveillance. >> some people when they see this story, they'll say, it doesn't matter a sexual offender is too dangerous and should be locked up forever. are they wrong? >> many of them are wrong that. is a misconception that all sex offenders are going to repeat and all sex offenders should be locked away for the rest of their lives. >> reporter: 12 years ago the supreme court said state civil commitment laws are constitutional if the goal is treatment, not punishment. now, the court will decide if this can apply to federal prisoners, raising questions over whether civil commitment should be allowed at all. about 20 states allow civil commitment for sexual offenders an estimated 4,000 are being held. the reality? there's a human cost on both sides. >> i had served my time for what i did, and i didn't feel like that i should be incarcerated again. it's not the best tool. i mean, it is -- it is the only tool that we have that is 100% effective. >> reporter: but, opponents argue it's a dangerous slippery slope to allow the government to hold people indefinitely. a case that's both sensitive and emotionally charged. kate baldwin, cnn, the supreme court. >> we want to hear from you on this one. is it okay to keep rapists locked up indefinitely past their prison sentences, again talking the worst of the worst, the safest way to go? call in 1-877-tell-hln's the number. joining me welcome back thomas and clinical psychologist michelle golland. and, also, here with us martin andrews, the man you saw in that package. victim, victims' advocate now. let me start here, guys, everybody that u.s. supreme court justices signaling they are likely to uphold a national law that permits the civil comm

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