Course, maybe the best bit of the show. In fact, our political edhon the show. In fact, our Political Editor, Christopher Hope, will be live as he works his way around the official post debate spin room. Patrick is live now with our audience in the other studio behind me. Patrick, studio behind me. Patrick, whats going on. 7 i heard, claims of my dad was a toolmaker protest from outside. Whats, whats going on. 7 yeah, well, there have been some protests outside. There was, the toolmaker comment. His dad now worked in a factory instead of actually made the tools. So there was that side of things. But yes, we are in the gb news watch room here. This has been, i think, the spiciest debate so far. Its actually been really quite entertaining, gambling and integrity came up, benefits has come up , borders integrity came up, benefits has come up, borders has come up. It got really quite tasty at quite a few times. So weve got some great clips to play you and this audience that you can see around me here are fired up and ready to go. Later on, theyre going to go. Later on, theyre going to be giving Kwasi Kwarteng a good grilling no doubt, as well as geoff hoon as well. But im just going to ask a couple of them now if thats all right, sir, ill start with you if thats okay. Who do you think is winning for you. 7 winning for you . Well, it seems to be a clear win for sunak, surprisingly so. He seems much better coached, much better structured in his answers and keeps coming back and starmers hardly landing a punch on any on anything. Yeah it has. I think its fair to say been probably sunaks best performance and arguably starmers worst. Well arguably starmers worst. Well find out whether or not the people who disagree with that more when we delve into this a little bit later on. So whats been one of the standout moments for you . I think you were saying that labour have been quite good at criticising, have they . The labour party is good at criticising, its not good at giving a straight answers. The issue with slough, with the birmingham and other local authorities that have failed financially, they blame the government. They stand themselves to be blamed because ideologically labour has always been for floodgates for open borders. He cannot stand that now in an election and lie and say hes going to control migration when the labour party is ideologically open to migration, well be coming back to you when we go live on air. Definitely. And just to say one very quickly, ben, before i go back to you, one of the loudest cheers in that audience was when a bloke stood up and basically said, youre both useless. Why should we for vote you, and i think that went down quite well in this room as well. Is that a joke . Right. So there we go, ben, back to you. Youre not useless. And people should definitely watch. Oh, i dont know, patrick. Theres 25 minutes left, so i may come. A calamity just yet. Yeah. And also a very interesting point. Those protests from outside, pro palestine protest. Lots of video online doing the rounds of it. But you could also hear it whilst the debate was going on. So very funny. No look, of course lots going on in the election run from the last 24 hours, but not least this morning. Rishi sunak, the Prime Minister, hes waded into the row sparked by these comments from doctor who, doctor who, actor and lefty luvvie of course David Tennant at the lgbt awards. Look at this. If im honest, im a little depressed by the fact that acknowledging that everyone has the right to be who they want to be and live their life how they want to live it as long as theyre not hurting anyone else, should merit any kind of special award or special special mention because its common sense, isnt it . However until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch does not exist anymore. I dont wish ill of her. I just wish her to shut up. Oh dear, oh dear. Stunning and brave, i guess. Is that how the left would describe that . Telling a woman to shut up . Well, look, David Tennant, a fierce, quote unquote ally of the lgbt community. There he is in his, his lgbtt shirt. You will have to go through me, the trans flag in hand, masculinity pouring out of every part of his body. Of course, now , look, he is a course, now, look, he is a fierce ally, he claims of the lgbt community. He sparked a political row off the back of these comments about womens and equalities minister Kemi Badenoch, the Prime Minister, rishi sunak , this morning rishi sunak, this morning weighed into the debate. He said freedom of speech is the most powerful feature of our democracy. If youre calling for democracy. If youre calling for women to shut up and wishing they didnt exist, you are the problem. Kemi badenoch already problem. Kemi badenoch already hit back yesterday by saying this. She said i will not shut up. I will not be silenced by men who prioritise. Applause from stonewall over the safety of women and girls. A rich leftie white male celebrity so bunded leftie white male celebrity so blinded by ideology he cant see the optics of attacking the only black woman in government by calling publicly for my existence to end, she went on. Keir starmer stood by while Rosie Duffield was hounded. He and his supporters will do the same with the country. Do not let the bigots and bullies win. Let the bigots and bullies win. And thats an interesting point, isnt it . Because this is now yet another issue around womens rights that has divided the labour party. Dawn butler waded in today. Remember her, and backed tennant, saying not all black women think the same. I agree with David Tennant. Thats agree with David Tennant. Thats it. Thats the tweet. 54 year it. Thats the tweet. 54 year old dawn butler there, by the way, tweeting like a 16 year old. But there we go. An odd response from miss butler, by the way, who has spoken out about the poor treatment of black female politicians in the past. Last year, she complains that the disrespect for black women in the commons was, quote, shocking. So does that same shocking. So does that same solidarity not stretch to miss badenoch in this instance . Well, i guess not. And her comments come on. The same day, Shadow Health secretary wes streeting is trying to repair labours relationship with women. Writing in the Daily Telegraph that labour has a, quote, lot of work to do to earn the trust of women in the wake of rows about transgender rights. So i wonder. Its interesting, isnt it . I wonder how he feels about dawn butlers comments , especially as butlers comments, especially as tennant only really took aim at badenoch in the first place because of her common sense views on trans rights. Badenoch fired back at butler again today, saying this is the true face of the labour party. Keir starmer says he doesnt want a toxic debate, but hes very happy to have labour mps do his dirty work for him and let people know they wish i didnt exist. These are the types of people who will form a government if labour wins, if they win, the toxicity of the debate comes from the left. Its always has. Its what do you think . Is she right that the toxicity of the debate always comes from the left and by the way, our labour just too divided on trans rights to protect women effectively. But lets get the thoughts of my panel now. Businessman and activist adam brookes, author and journalist rebecca reid. And adam, i have a feeling youre not going to be on the fence on this one. When it comes to a dawn butler and the alleged hypocrisy, and also the alleged hypocrisy, and also the trans debate. Were back here again. Lets start with dawn butler. Lets start with dawn butler. Shes a famous anti racist that was basically effectively racist towards, brown tory mps, she said of suella braverman. That she wouldnt be home secretary if she was white. She also dismissed priti patels experiences of lived racism. So what is she . You know, is it okay to sort of denounce racism as long as it isnt against tory mps of colour . Thats what it comes across. Its total hypocrisy. And then weve got David Tennant , you know, this David Tennant, you know, this luvvie thespian. What did you make of that picture of him, by the way . With the youll have to go through me first with his, trans flag. It just it makes me feel sick. Yet he tops the polls of men that women find sexiest again and again and again. Youre speaking when youre speaking to the only true 100. No, honestly, objective polls on the internet show women love him. Do you think he. I mean, which way modern man was would be the twitter . I would say that he is a do you think this is this is, you know, a masculine, strong man to look up to . Yes, absolutely. Hes a stepparent to a trans child, which i think is an extraordinary child. One of his children. I dont know whether its a stepchild or his biological child, but one of them is trans, he is a very talented, very attractive, very wealthy, very successful, multi Award Winning actor who women absolutely go for. But if were going to talk about hypocrisy, the one id really like to get in on is kemi, because kemi has said word for word, i dont like identity politics. She has said i dont like it when people are tribal. I dont like it when people talk about being a woman or being black, like its important. And then today here she is saying dont be mean to me. Im the only black woman. Shes sticking up for herself. Yeah, but identity politics arent relevant. Why is she bringing up identity politics either we all can or no one can. But it sounds to me like kemi is like identity politics dont exist unless i was being mean to me and then theyre okay. No, shes being attacked and shes sticking up for herself. Shes using identity politics. Do you disagree . But no, im the only black woman in the cabinet. Remind. Lets remind, remind the audience of what Kemi Badenoch is trying to do. She is trying to protect womens only spaces from biological men. 95 of trans women plus still have their penis. Ive got two daughters. I do not want men like eddie izzard, who one day says that hes a woman, sticks on a short skirt, a little bit of lippy and goes into womens toilets and womens changing rooms. If you care about protecting women and girls, what Kemi Badenoch is doing is she is trying to protect women only spaces and womens sports. We know theres a problem and i think anyone that disagrees with trying to protect these has got an ulterior agenda. Anybody . Anybody . Anybody . Anybody who cares . Anybody who cares . Equality. Equality. Anybody who cares about equality should have mentioned that the Maternal Death rate in childbirth has gone up over the last five years. I have heard a completely different issue. You are in charge of making life better for women. Why is the only thing you talk about trans rights . Why do you not talk about other things like employment, like flexible working, like the cost of childcare, like the fact that women are dying in childbirth, like the fact that black women are four times more likely to experience birth injury. Where is that . From the record, Kemi Badenoch has done a lot of work on that, particularly in 20 2020, 2021 as well. But on the issue of kemi herself, its gone up since 2020, she hasnt addressed it since 2020. She hasnt. She hasnt. Are you are you a fan of Kemi Badenoch . No no. Whats your issue with her stance on trans . I think that its more about the fact that she doesnt like being told that she couldnt or shouldnt say things than actually caring about trans rights, because before it became a political hot potato, theres very little record of her saying anything. In fact, previously she was fairly lax on pride issues. Its argued, adam, know that shes only saying things the majority of normal common sense thinking people. What does that mean . What does that mean . Where do you get that data from . Where . Why should biological men compete in womens sports . Okay, thats a very, very big question. Generally speaking, its very easy. A lot of people are in in Contact Sports unless somebody has been on hormone suppressants since childhood, i dont think its appropriate in full Contact Sports. In non Contact Sports or if somebody has transitioned in puberty pre pubescent they dont have the muscle density. I dont have an issue with it. You think a male, a biological male who sprints is they go through. Did they go through male puberty. Yes. Then no i dont think that. Okay. Okay. Adam, i dont know anyone that thinks this is right. And im telling you now, if i went to any high street in this country with a microphone and asked everyone that walked past for a few hours whether or not biological men should be in womens toilets, safe spaces and sports, 98 would agree with me. You just made up a number. You just made up a statistic. There are lots of polls that show that lots of people think that trans people should be allowed to live their life with quiet dignity and privacy. Look, look, this this is this is how you spin it. And the left spin it. I believe in trans rights. What i dont believe is that biological men should be in womens toilets. And womens sports. I can say trans should have rights, but what rights dont trans have that everyone else has . Okay, well, i think in this specific debate people are trying to roll back from the rights to easily gender, reassign and use the bathroom. Its been argued that Kemi Badenoch is just trying to push forward things with a shake up of the equality act that most people think are sensible. No biological men in womens sports, biological sex considered as a characteristic and no mention of anything else that impacts women, and also trans stuff, regardless of anything else. David tennant, you know, just telling a woman to shut up because she doesnt want them to exist. So you do believe in identity politics, then you can tell women, shut up or you cant tell. I dont think its a good look to tell women to shut up. So you have to treat women differently from men. Why well, why why do you . Its just being a gracious male. You dont tell, you dont hit women. You dont tell women to shut up. Theres certain ways that you you shouldnt hit anyone. And, ben, lets just remember if a right wing actor had said this to someone like diane abbott, it would be screamed as racism and the daily mirror, daily mirror would have it on the front page. Great start, adam brooks, anyone . Rebecca reed thank you very much, moving on swiftly. Dont forget on Election Night next week, gb news will be live in essex as Michelle Dewberry and Patrick Christys host our exclusive coverage as the polls draw to a close. So if you want to be part of our Live Audience in essex with patrick and jubes, apply now by either scanning the qr code on screen or visiting gb news. Com. If you dont know how to scan the qr code, get your mobile phone out now. Get the camera out. Put the camera over the qr code and there should be a little link, especially on iphones where you can click and sign up. Its going to be a very exciting night, right . Coming up tonight, patrick returns with his live studio audience as we bnng his live studio audience as we bring you exclusive reaction to rishi sunak and Keir Starmers final head to head in the Election Campaign. Hell be joined by Health Secretary well, former Health Secretary victoria atkins, former conservative chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng and ex labour minister geoff hoon, who was tony blairs former defence secretary. But up next, we hear from a conservative activist who has suffered a worrying amount of anti semitic abuse on the campaign trail. Is the lefts fanatical support of palestine to blame and we saw it again tonight in the debate. The pro palestine mob outside rishi sunak and sir Keir Starmers head to head a bit dont go anywhere. This is Patrick Christys hello. Welcome back. This is Patrick Christys tonight with me. Ben. Leo. Just for another ten minutes or so. Now, the final leaders showdown of the Election Campaign is approaching. And patrick has been watching it in our live studio with a Live Audience by the way of gb news viewers. So you dont have to. Patrick youve got your your fizzy pop, your snacks, your sausage rolls. I hope youre not stuffing your face there. Hows it going . No, i have not been eating anything myself so far. Its a bit like goggle boxes, but i do thoroughly enjoy it. This is my favourite kind of show. And like you said, ben, were watching this. So you at home dont have to. And well have all of that kind of fizzing debate afterwards. Well be in the spin room, well be with a load of frontbenchers, but these are the people that really matter now. It has just got incredibly spicy. On the issue of womens spaces. Okay, the audience were were going at them here. It drew quite a lot of reaction in this room. And keir starmer wasnt really answering what he would do to protect womens spaces. Rishi sunak was hammering him on that. And im just going to go quickly to a couple of the ladies in the room just to ask you, who do you think hes going to trust based on what youve just heard there . Who do you trust more with to protect womens spaces . Sunak. I think you will. I got four daughters, so im very keen on that one. Okay, so. So it means a lot to you. Yeah very much to me. Okay. I like my children to go somewhere. Being their female , to feel free, rishi sunak did actually get quite emotional when he was talking about his own daughters. Theyre up to contrast that keir starmer just started naming women who were in his party, which i thought was quite a bit weird, really. But, how do you how do you feel it comes when it when it comes to protecting wom