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The cass review, published today by doctor hilary cass, has found a remarkably weak evidence and toxic debate around gender ideology is badly let down. Children. Ideology is badly let down. Chiithats right. She says that thats right. She says that the toxicity of the debate around gender meant that professionals were afraid to openly discuss their views. And she also says theres no good evidence to support the global clinical practice of prescribing hormones to under 18 seconds to halt puberty or transition to the opposite sex. Well, here to discuss the findings are joanne lockwood, the founder of see change happen, and lucy marsh from the Family Education trust. Lucy, if Family Education trust. Lucy, if we can start with you , what do we can start with you, what do you take from this report and is it about time that we heard some of these things. 7 of these things . Yes. Overall, we largely welcome the report and its really good to see the out there. The fact that there isnt there. The fact that there isnt the Evidence Base to support the transition of children and that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are harmful. Its also really good. To see that theres this the acknowledgement of this pipeline from social transitioning school through to the fact that these children go on to puberty blockers and the fact that theyre harmful, however, we would say that we dont think that any child should transitioned. Should be socially transitioned. That again. So you just say that again. So you dont any child should be dont think any child should be socially transitioned . Think any child no, i dont think any child should be socially transitioned because because as as is evidenced in cash review , evidenced in the cash review, the this transition in the this social transition in general to children going general leads to children going down the medical pathway. And there any that there isnt any evidence that its beneficial that its beneficial and that however, evidence that however, there is evidence that its harmful. The report does its harmful. The report does say that. Sorry, just to be clear. So when say socially when you say socially transitioned, mean everybody transitioned, you mean everybody around , teachers, around that child, teachers, parents or the children considering them to be of the opposite gender to which they were born . Yes well, it basically its lying to children because nobody can change sex. It isnt possible. Okay, lucy, if you would just respond please. Oh, respond to that, please. Oh, sorry. Joanne. Sorry, joanne. Yeah yes. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Everybody else , yeah. I welcome the cass else, yeah. I welcome the cass report as well. Theres a number of things in there that i take. Not pleasure in, but yeah, solace in that. Cass report has identified that the Services Provided to young people , provided to young people, children via the nhs, by the gender services is woefully inadequate. And i completely agree. The support for transgender people, at whatever age, has been woefully inadequate for many, many years now. So looking at what some of the key things that come out of this is, doctor cass is recommending a broad, holistic assessment by a multi professional team. I welcome that we need to have better analysis. Theres still questions about puberty blockers, and ive read lots of reports. Ive read the medical analysis just this morning and its incorrect in many cases because theres such little evidence , yes, theres evidence evidence, yes, theres evidence of bone density , but theres of bone density, but theres also evidence of improved Mental Health outcomes. So i also evidence of improved Mental Health outcomes. So i think its really, really important we dont just pick and choose the negatives. We look at the holistic way of we can support children holistically, timely and centrally to that individual child and their family to make sure they get the support they need. Shes shes quite explicit. Cass isnt she, when she says the basis on which these drugs were given to children under the age of 18 was very shaky at best. And she makes the point also that the adolescent brain is maturing until 25. Yeah. Im horrified that, the yeah. Im horrified that, the profession that we trust, the medical professionals, have been woefully , prescribing or woefully, prescribing or treating children in a way that isnt proven. And i support cass by saying that what we need to do is get the evidence. This is not to prevent children transitioning. This is not to prevent children accessing hormones or puberty blockers where its relevant, where its timely where necessary. This timely and where necessary. This is putting the evidence is about putting the Evidence Base the processes place base and the processes in place to that our young people, to ensure that our young people, our get the best our children, get the best relevant care that they do, that they need that is safe and proven. So i support that. Thanks, joanne. Lucy, how do you explain the concept of transgenderism . If you like . How how do you see it you like . How how do you see it in an individual, particularly children . I think adults is a very different, proposition. But in children, how do you explain it . What is it a reaction to . Is it . What is it a reaction to . Is it natural . No, its not natural. Its as as is expressed in the cash report. And as weve seen, over, oven report. And as weve seen, over, over, over the last few years has been a massive social contagion and a huge rise, especially in adolescent girls who are identifying as as the opposite sex and hilary cass pointed out that a lot of this is down to contagion on social media. Obviously, a lot of children have been exposed to porn, which has affected the way that they see themselves, and especially young girls who dont want to be women because they see they that the awful things that happen in porn and they think that thats something thats expected of them. But theres also a lot of activism, theres also a lot of activism, theres lot of, parents who theres a lot of, parents who actually their own issues actually have their own issues and are transitioning children. And there and unfortunately, there are a lot teachers and. Lot of activist teachers and. External groups who are going in and teaching a relationship , in and teaching a relationship, in sex education, in school, and introducing this idea that you can be born in the wrong body, nobodys born in the wrong body, and we need to stop this concept from being in school, from being taught in school, because creating because this is creating a pathway into into gender dysphoria, which is unnecessary and and it is and it isnt safe, and it is never necessary for children to transition never necessary for children to trarwell, joanne, can you answer well, joanne, can you answer that . Thats quite a specific rebuttal saying that people are not into the wrong body. Not born into the wrong body. Can you answer what is your response that question . Bev response to that question . Bev asked. Specifically what asked. And specifically me, what lucy there , im not lucy said just there, im not going to get into a debate about born in the wrong body, not born in the wrong body for me, my brain sees me, myself, my identity as female, whether im born in the wrong body, whether my brain is neurodiverse in some way, i cant explain it. All i know is it kind of resonates with me. And i think the key challenge here is that transgender people are seen as broken. Were seen as fetish, transgender people are seen as brokknow,zre seen as fetish, transgender people are seen as brokknow,zre slooking fetish, transgender people are seen as brokknow,zre slooking atztish, transgender people are seen as brokknow,zre slooking at the , you know, just looking at the twitter ill get them twitter comments, ill get them after this interview. Well see that are accusing me of that people are accusing me of being paedophile, harmful to being a paedophile, harmful to children. Josef mengele, i think, quoted yesterday. So think, was quoted yesterday. So this is the narrative that trans people are facing. And so what were doing is were really imprinting that onto children. Imprinting that onto children. We look at the world of sport. The most sporting bodies you the most sporting bodies say you cannot their sport cannot take part in their sport if through male or female if you go through male or female puberty, male puberty, puberty, mostly male puberty, therefore children, therefore denying children, young people the option to hold puberty to allow them to get into sport in their adult life. Were failing people, so yeah, i think there is an issue here where were demonising trans people. Its wrong. The same narrative we are applying to people who are gay, people who are black. Going back, many, many years. Were creating this, us and them. But cassies report, cassies concern is that children who are too young are being lured into this world. Im concerned that Young Children arent getting the support they need with their families to make balanced decisions for their lives. There are many, many children who are successfully and continue to successfully live their lives with a trans identity that have not had regret. Yes i accept there are some people who its not right for them and i think every every step and care should be taken to ensure that it is the right step for whatever age you are , to for whatever age you are, to make sure you understand the full implications of the choices youre making. Not to start with, not to start with an opinion that youre wrong. To start with this, start with lets talk. Lets discuss this and lets lets balance out what is right for you as an individual. Lucy, how do you respond to the, speculation that we will look back on this debate as we now look back on the gay debate and well, obviously, it was and say, well, obviously, it was wrong time. Of course, wrong at the time. Of course, people born that there people are born gay, that there might time we look back and might be a time we look back and say, well, course some people might be a time we look back and say,born , course some people might be a time we look back and say,born to course some people might be a time we look back and say,born to a ourse some people might be a time we look back and say,born to a differentme people might be a time we look back and say,born to a different gender3le are born to a different gender to which their physiology to that which their physiology would suggest. They are not. I just think that thats wrong. People are not born in the wrong body. And i unfortunately that the way that this has gone over the last few years, activists have have basically trapped on to this and are encouraging children whatever , whatever their whatever, whatever their motivation is behind that, you know that that is up for debate, certainly i think that big pharma have got, an interest in this because if you get a child onto puberty blockers and theyre not cross sex hormones, youve for youve got a medical patient for life. So theyre going be life. So theyre going to be making pounds out of making millions of pounds out of this industry, of telling children that born in children that theyre born in the body. And other people the wrong body. And other people may more, unfortunate, may have more, unfortunate, motivations for wanting to, to get children trapped into this, into this lifestyle, but thats, thats , thats a, thats another thats, thats a, thats another story. But it basically i think that we will look back on this as a medical scandal. We have that we have failed children because were lying to children. Because were lying to children. Okay, activists and teachers are lying to children saying that its possible to change sex and its possible to change sex and it isnt. Go on, joanne. So just respond to the accusation that pharma individual humans on pharma gets individual humans on a subscription model of drugs for rest their lives. For the rest of their lives. Really . Really. I mean, the nhs subscribe to that. Nhs doesnt subscribe to that. You know, were not getting money out of out of people to fund drug companies. This is more than that. I think. I think its very disingenuous to say that this is big pharma trying to take over the world. In america, its huge. In america. It is the growing. In america. It is the biggest area of medicine now. Its growing bigger than any other america other race in terms of america is one territory in the is only one territory in the world. Is only one territory in the worthere are many other there are many other territories, you know, australia, new zealand, all across the rest of the across europe. The rest of the world have a different pharma model still trans model and there are still trans people. Were still young people. There were still young young identifying as young people identifying as non binary transgender. Non binary or transgender. I certainly dont see pharma influencing anybody. This is not something an addiction. This is not a drug validating a child is not. Its not indoctrinating them. There are equal pressures. Them. There are equal pressures. You know, the report quite clearly said that this toxic debate on both sides, there is a toxic debate on both sides. And what we need to do is have a more centrist conversation with evidence. Can i just jump . Can i just jump can i just jump . Can i just jump in there and say, do you think, by saying that people arent born into the wrong body, that the toxicity around that adds to the toxicity around the debate . Well, many of the people, young people today identify as non binary. And the fundamental identity of our non binary is about its not about about gender. Its not about body, about physique. Body, its not about physique. Its about their identity of who body, its not about physique. Its eare. T their identity of who body, its not about physique. Its eare. So eir identity of who body, its not about physique. Its eare. So eir identhisof who body, its not about physique. Its eare. So eir identhis was1o they are. So maybe this was a very 1970s, 1980s model of being trans. Was it was your body that was a fault. I think we have more contemporary now. We understand its actually more about development, how about brain development, how we see , the role of see ourselves, the role of genden see ourselves, the role of gender, the social construct of genden gender, the social construct of gender. If you like our role in society is not just about what weve got between our legs or on our chest anymore. People are far discerning about far more, discerning about avoiding transsexual because avoiding the transsexual because that sexual element that bring the sexual element into certainly dont into it. And i certainly dont feel sex is an issue or my body is an issue. Its about who i am and how im treated and how i interact with society. Go on. Lucy, just just have the final word on that , because i final word on that, because i think we can distinguish between individuals who always be individuals who should always be treated with kindness and compassion consideration, compassion and consideration, and what we might describe as the trans activists ideology. Part of which inspires this very toxic debate. Yeah. Well, of course, all individual children were talking about children here need to be treated with care and compassion and with kindness. However, its kind to lie to however, its not kind to lie to children. If a child comes out and says that theyre questioning their, their their gender identity , they need to be gender identity, they need to be told the truth. They need to be told the truth. They need to be told that it isnt possible to change sex. And in terms of gendenif change sex. And in terms of gender, if were talking about gender, if were talking about gender stereotyping, the transgender ideology is profoundly regressive because girl identify as girl have to identify as non binary in order to do what she wants to do. A girl can have short hair, a girl can dress how she likes, a girl can play football. It doesnt mean that shes non b