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Jorgenson will be joining us. Should be there if the federal Election Commission thought to put her on all 50 state ballots. She has a question why am i not at the debate. She wants to know. Got senator rob portman republican senator not big night for the president he says for the American People. All hear from democratic senator Chris Van Hollen on the democrats move today to boycott that Crucial Senate Judiciary Committee vote on judge barrett. No part of it. They dont want any part of it on next mondays full senate vote. Then one of the richest people in the planet who says that joe biden starting guys like him even if he attacks us at 100 percent you are not going to g. E. D. Diddly squat in the long term. All of that coming up right now. Lets get the latest from john roberts as w we count down to te big debate. John . Neil, good afternoon to you. Breaking this hour we have learned i learned about this 11 00 this morning but out of respect for a source was holding it until this hour learned that Tony Bobulinski who is the former ceo of a company that hunter biden and jim biden were involved in along with the partnership with a Chinese Energy company is going to be one of President Trumps special guests at tonights debate so that when the president brings up Hunter Bidens business dealings, he will be able to point to Tony Bobulinski and say to joe biden heres your former Business Partner, Tony Bobulinski. Now, where does all of this stem from . This stems from an email that came out of that laptop was that allegedly left at a Computer Repair shop in wilmington, delaware by hunter biden. Email broke down what the percentage distribution would be of a 10milliondollar deal with this Chinese Energy company. 10 of that money was designated to somebody known as the big guy. The statement to fox news earlier today Tony Bobulinski saying, quote the reference to the big guy in the much publicized may 139, 2017 email is in fact a reference to joe biden. Hunter biden called his dad the big guy or my chairman and frequently referenced asking him for his signoff or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. There has been all sorts of criticism and questioning by republicans as to why hunter biden was cutting these big deals with Energy Companies in china as well as ukraine because he didnt have any experience in the Energy Sector and was he, in fact, selling influence. Bobulinski suggests it was the latter and not the former in a statement saying quote i realize the chinese were not really focused on a healthy financial return on investment. They everywhere looking at this as a political or influence investment. The Biden Campaign not denying any of this, calling it a Smear Campaign though and in a Campaign Conference call Kate Bettingfield the Deputy Campaign manager saying, quote we expect trump will attack biden and his family and every time he does that all he is doing is reinforcing what we have said all along he is acknowledging that he has no case for a second term. But, again, not denying that all of this is true. The president has suggested that a special prosecutor should be appoint 2025 look into Hunter Bidens business dealings and what, if anything, joe biden knew about them. On that point he got concurrence today from missouri senator josh hawley. Listen here. Well, i do think a special prosecutor is absolutely appropriate. This is the former Vice President who may be involved in a Money Laundering scheme. You have got emails now where it looks like is he getting kick backs. Joe biden getting kick backs from china. I mean, the American People deserve some answers here and he needs to be asked about it at tonights debate. Again, he will ask be asked about it tonight debate. Tony bobulinski the former ceo of the company hunter biden was involved in will be in the audience tonight. The president will need morton attacks against hunter biden if he hopes to win tonights debate. There will be a lot of pointed questioning as well on things like bread and butter issues, coronavirus, foreign policy, a lot of things to chew over this evening. This should be a pretty interesting tepid test, neil. Neil to put it mildly. John roberts, thank you very, very much. In the meantime, you might have missed this but judge Amy Coney Barrett cleared the Senate Judiciary committee today on her way to full Senate Confirmation expected next monday there was a little wrinkle here and historic one at that democrats boycotted the event. Not a single democrat there for the committee vote. All democrats are being urged right now not to show up for the vote on monday. This would be the first time in American History we have seen Something Like this. Chad pergram with the latest. Chad . Good afternoon, neil. Well, this is the first step to get this nominee Amy Coney Barrett on the senate floor of the committee voted today to give her a favorable recommendation to report her nomination to the senate floor as you say democrats boycotted that meeting today. They did not vote. They argued that republicans broke committee rules. They say that you have to have at least two democrats there. Lindsey graham the chair of the committee disagreed. Here is republican senator ted cruz. The boycott today, frankly is, a stunt to appease the left wing activist base thats angry. They are arrange gri that the democratangry that thedemocratsp this nomination. Chuck schumer ripped his counterpart the majority leader Mitch Mcconnell. Mcconnell is angry. Why . Because we democrats have exposed that he has defiled the senate as an institution more than any person in this generation and many generations. Because we democrats have exposed the hypocrisy of holding up Merrick Garland. Heres the timetable the senate must wait until friday before putting the nomination on the floor. The senate meets all weekend debating the nomination. There will be a procedural vote on sunday afternoon to cut off a filibuster. That needs 51 yeas. Then barrett opponents are allowed to burn 30 more hours on the clock. That sets up a confirmation vote some time on monday night. Now, also today in the Judiciary Committee. The committee authorized subpoenas for big tech executives jack dorsey of twitter, also Mark Zuckerberg of facebook. Questions about how their firms curb sharing the New York Post regarding hunter biden. Back to you, neil. Neil thank you my friend very much. Chad pergram on all of this. Go to rob portman of ohio Foreign Relations committee. Busy guy. Senator, we do know right now that the president has as a crucial guest at that debate this Tony Bobulinski former hunter biden Business Partner. That means he is obviously going to bring up the biden emails, the business dealings. Do you think that is a proper strategy . Some are worried in your party, senator, that he is going to get sidetracked on. This well, i think you can walk and chew gum at the same time. In other words, these are obviously legitimate concerns that should be raised. But you know what . John roberts talked about bread and butter issues. Thats what i think the undecided voter wants to hear about. That will be much more effective. The president has a great message on that. The economy going into covid was incredible. Not just in terms of the macroeconomic growth but what it was doing to lift up people. Give more people opportunity. Close the wage gap. Reduce the poverty rate to historic levels. Lowest unemployment level for many, many decades for many groups that have been left out of the economic progress and the previous administration. So, look, he has got a great story to tell about the economy. And its a very simple one. I did it before. I can do it again. Lets not go to higher taxes and more regulations and trying to stop from use are our energy this country created off of growth. Neil what if he does not do that and, in fact, spends a good deal of time on this, you know, biden email business ukraine thing maybe for quite legitimate reasons. He is infuriated about it. The media has largely ignored it. I get that the more time he spends on that, the less time he is spending on the issues that you just mentioned. Well, i agree. And, look, ideally, neil, the president press would be asking joe biden about this. Right . Ideally the moderator would be posing tough questions to joe biden just as they have posed to President Trump. And he would have to respond. And that would be the appropriate way to get at it. But the issue has to come up. My point is i think the more important issue, frankly to all americans but particularly to those voters who are yet undecided and its not a big group but there are some out there is the economy one. And, two, the dove response. I think the president has a good response to both and he ought to be sure people hear it. With regard to the economy, i think its particularly strong because of what Vice President biden would want to do with the economy. In other words, he wants to do all the things that are going to make it harder for people to get ahead and the trump economy going into the covid19, again, was really impressive, particularly for middle and lower income workers and families struggling for years gotten back into the workforce and seeing higher wages and better benefits. Its a good story. You have seen the story. Have you looked at the new census data im sure and new data from the Federal Reserve along with the Labor Department data. It was really truly an opportunity economy. Thats what the president ought to talk about. Neil do you think the stimulus thing should come up . It looks like its dead right now. I you could be wrong. But obviously the senate didnt get the 60 votes it needed to keep pushing this half trillion dollars package. They might be close to something in the house. We are told that has zero interest in the senate. Is it safe to say, senator, that beare not going to see stimulus before the election . Thats done, dead . Well, its hard to imagine. I think the big reasonable we are not going to see it i think the speaker of the house is not willing to be flexible and she has sown that repeatedly. Poor Steve Mnuchin has done everything he can to come up with an agreement here. The president wants an agreement. The president has said that repeatedly, publicly and privately. Democrats feel an agreement before the election is not in their interest because its too bad we are not out of woods yet either on the economy or the covid19 crisis. And we should be passing legislation. We had a vote in the senate yesterday that was incredible. It was a targeted package that had frankly mostly bipartisan measures in it to provide more money for schools and provide more money for the vaccine. To say help with small businesses, ppp. And democrats refused even to get on the legislation to debate it. So, i mean, that says it all. And i hope that well be able to get to it before the election. I dont see how it happens when democrats seem unwilling, especially Speaker Pelosi to move that bill forward. Right after the election, i think you will see a change heart. Neil we will see. You should hear what they are saying about you. You wouldnt believe it. Look at the legislation. We will look at it and want to be fair to everybody. Im going to talk to your counterpart Chris Van Hollen a democrat here on how he cease democrats handling this issue and this unusual boycott of todays vote on the part of democrats for judge amy barrett. They are promising to do the same when it goes to a full senate vote. Were on that, after this. Here . Nah. Introducing the all new chevy trailblazer. Here . Nope. Here. When the middle of nowhere, is somewhere. The all new chevy trailblazer. Making lifes journey, just better. Trump took a good economy and drove it back into the ditch through his failure to get covid under control, his failure to deliver real relief to working people. Does he not understand and see the tens of millions of people whove had to file for unemployment this year, so far . The people who lost wages while the cost of groceries has gone up dramatically. Donald trump has been almost singularly focused on the stock market, the dow, the nasdaq not you, not your families. My plan will help create at least five million new, goodpaying jobs and create them right here in the United States of america. Lets use this opportunity to take bold investments in american industry and innovation. So the future is made in america. Ill be laser focused on working families. Im joe biden, and i approve this message. Working within amazon transportation services, i really saw the challenge of climate change. We want to be sustainable, but when you have a truck covering over 300 miles, or you have flights going hundreds of miles, its a bit more challenging. We are letting the data guide us to the best solution. Its inspiring to try to solve a problem that no one else has solved. Thats super exciting. Neil to look at the polls its getting tight in the battleground states but to look at a single issue like the economy the president seems to have a sweeping advantage, not everywhere, but in a lot of those Battle Ground states. Ken langone joins us now home deep toe founder. Not surprised by that ken, always great having you. The president so far isnt benefiting in a lot of these Battle Ground polls. So while americans seem to trust it more on the economy depending on the state, they are not rewarding it. Do you think something isnt connecting here . No, neil. I think we have to be realistic about what the polls are saying. I think significant percentage of people that for whatever reason dont want to let people know where theyre or where how they are going to vote. And i think thats a big number out there. The other thing neil is, lets be honest. Look at the Unemployment Rate today in the middle of this pandemic and go back to 2008 whether it was 10 . Its 7. 4 now or 7. 6 now. Whatever it is. The point is this economy, i believe, is performing dramatically well in spite of the challenges that were being confronted with. Look at the hotel sector. The entertainment sector. Go look right down the list of all these major industries. Restaurants. New york is in terrible shape but the fact is overall the numbers are pretty good. Ken, if you were advising the president , ken, he is issuing to look into these biden emails he is going to have Tony Bobulinski the former hunter biden Business Partner from the ukraine he wants to force that issue because the general media is not. Some republicans understand his anxiety over this and his fear that it hasnt had more traction. But their concern that he is going to miss out on a chance to mention pick up in the economy and stuff you just did. Do you agree with that . Neil, im not a politician. Im not a politician. It would seem to me with the accusations and the emails that are floating around this whole thing, we know that hunter biden got 3. 5 million from the widow of the mayor of russia. Why . Tell me why. We know he got all that money from burisma. He got a 1. 5 billion for a hedge fund from china when he flew over with his father. Neil, lets understand something. The biggest skin in the game in this whole thing right now is the media. The media has thrown everything they can at trump these last four years, three and a half years. First of all, he won the election. If trump wins this election, for all intents and purposes the media knows it. The media is neutered in america. Neutered. Why . Because they couldnt take it away from him with all they have done to him. The willful effort on the part of the media not to give any press at all to this hunter biden situation and this computer, this whatever the fellow had down in delaware. This is nuts. This is a big story. And whether its true or not the fact of the matter is meal neil. Neil you want him to go ahead and mention. If ken langone were advising President Trump. Go ahead and mention it, sir, right . I would certainly ask the former Vice President of the United States to explain as best he can his involvement. Neil all right. These emails indicate he was involved directly. The man thanked hunter biden in the introduction and meeting his father. I mean, this is serious stuff, neil. Neil now, let me ask you so limited for time, ken, i apologize. I did want to get your thoughts on something you aresponded on not too long ago of joe bidens tax guys like you limiting it to 400,000 and over crowd and a you can afford it you should be paying your fair share and that will take care of a lot of the planned spending is he looking at that could amount to trillions of dollars over the next 10 years only going after guys like you. What do you say to that . Neil, the big numbers are in the middle income people. Middle income people. Therefore, the big numbers you can tax all of us what they call fat cats, as much as you want, you dont move we are talking about trillions of dollars. Not millions, not hundreds of millions. Not billions, trillions of dollars. You arent going to move the needle at all, neil, you know it and i know it and Everybody Knows it. The revenues come from the middle income people. Thats where it comes from. And thats unfortunately if these people think they are not going to be touched, they are fooling themselves. Im going to pay more tax. I have no trouble paying more taxes. Where are the courage of our leaders to take Social Security away from me . What the hell am i doing getting Social Security . I dont need it and i shouldnt have it. So why give it to me. They havent even got the guts both all parties, both of them. Change the i didnt pay into this thing. I have benefited by this great country in more ways than i can imagine. Take it away from everybody like me. Take it away from everybody making 400 grand or more. Neil ken, we are just seeing joe bidens plane is arriving right now in nashville the site of the debate tonight. Im just wondering, President Trump had said that if joe biden wins you can kit your 401 k goodbye. There will be a market crash. It will be devastating for the economy. Real quickly, do you agree . I agree to the following, neil. In the condition the economy is in, coming out of this terrible pandemic, the last thing in the world you want to do is raise taxes. If you want to exclusively do it to wealthy, wealthy people, thats fine. But you arent going to do anything effectively if you dont go get the middle income people as well. Thats too bad. But thats the facts. Work the numbers. You will create a serious recession in america if you lay on the American People tax increases at a point in time when its just recovering from one of the Biggest Challenges its had in the last 100 years. Thats what i would tell joe biden. Neil ken lang gorntion thank you very much. Good health. All right. I got it. Ken, thank you very much. I apologize for the rudeness there time delay. I did want to get in a lot in with ken. Joe biden has arrived at the scene of the nashville debate. Beginning at 8 00 p. M. 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He could flip a state like minnesota that he barely lost last time to make up for those losses if they would have materialized. Susan joins us from the washingtonsh einxagton examiner how much do you think, susan tonight will change things . I only ask because i think we are close to, what, 43 million mailin ballots already. That means million more have just not made it to precincts that can be counted. It also means that, you know, a lot of people have made up their minds. And when we look at general polls, those undecided, the tiniest sliver of such voters we have seen in history. Will this change the game tonight . What do you think . Depends on how close the election is. Those undecided voters right now. People havent voted yet. Could be extremely critical in some of these Battle Ground states. You see in the poll that came out yesterday that fox put out, you see some Bright Moments there for President Trump. He has improved in pennsylvania and wisconsin from the last round of polling. And he is also doing better in ohio, which is really important as well. So, it seems like there is movement in trump favor that he could seize on tonight at the debate by trying to reach out to this very small group of voters who hasnt voted yet. And the issue, i think thats paramount to them is handling of the coronavirus. If he can talk about that in a convincing manner to show what he has done so far and about what he is going to continue to do to kind of show himself as in command there. Because he does poorly on that in the polls. He does okay on the economy. He beats joe biden on that generally in battleground states. He needs to stay on message with that yes critical. For him, it shouldnt just be another debate where the two are interrupting each other so much that the voter doesnt get any message from the president. So he is going to have to try to navigate that carefully. Even though it seems very clear he wants to bring up the hunter biden situation with Vice President joe biden which is completely understandable. Because the media is basically ignored the entire story. So he is going to feel compelled to bring it up if the moderator doesnt bring it up and a lot of people think that the moderator wont bring it up. Neil all right. So the president will obviously want to mention that joe biden, of course, has dismissed this story as you see him arriving in nashville. Im just curious. A little bit on this thing is what the president wants. Some are afraid that he might go overboard. He might make this a dominant part of the debate. Do you think that would be a mistake that he has some other compelling issues that maybe the American People care about more . What do you think . Well, yes. Just based on the polling. Its going to be very hard in those Battle Ground states. Its all going to boil down to those Battle Grounds. Thats where the election hinges on. He has got to reach those voters. If theyre all worried about coronavirus and their jobs and their health, Hunter Bidens laptop will frustrate them if that dominates the entire debate. His base is all over that story. He already has their support. So he needs to be strategic and think about what he needs to do to win over the people he needs to win to get where get across the finish line. I agree with your previous guest. I think we need to be missing hidden trump voter. Obviously a big theme in 2016. It actually, neil, could end up being potentially a bigger theme in this 2020 election just because of the backlash against the president. People may be even more afraid or more hesitant to say who they are voting for given how the country is so divided. With that in mind, there is an opportunity for the president that he needs to keep in mind this is the chance to reach those voters. Same for biden. He needs to hold the line. He is going to have to answer to biden to trump if the moderator doesnt bring it up how he is going to respond to that about his own son. Thats also important. There are democrats who want answers to that story as well. And he needs to be he needs to navigate that very carefully. The president letting biden talk, that was the original strategy because i think biden tends to ramble on a little bit and sound lesko heernt as he answers a long question. So, if biden if he just lets biden talk, that may give more doubt to some of the undecided voters about whether biden is really ready for the task. Neil all right. Susan, thank you very much. I know what you mean by getting older and getting rambling and incoherent. Story of my life, susan. Susan ferrechio of the washington, d. C. Examiner. We told you a little bit about the dust up of the senate right now on this amy barrett nomination that Democratic Senators were boycotting the Judiciary Committee vote. 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A lot of people have died needlessly, and theres nothing more frustrating than feeling like youre fighting against someone who should have your back. We are not going to stamp this out unless we have a change of leadership. Ff pac is responsible for the content of this ad. Neil well, we have never seen anything like it in American History. We have had close nomination battles before for approaching or appoint Supreme Court associate justice in the case of Amy Coney Barrett has the Opposition Party opted not to vote at all. That was the case today in the Judiciary Committee where it was all republicans signing off on her nomination to take Ruth Bader Ginsburgs place on the highest court in the land setting up a stage where the whole senate vote, which comes monday, will go the same way, only republicans voting on her. Not a single democrat. Chris van hollen joins us now on this, the democrat beautiful state of maryland. Senator, are you afraid of the message that might be sending here . She is going to make it to the Supreme Court. Not a single democrat will be involved in the process yea or nay. Hi, neil, no, im not. Because this is also the first time in American History that a Supreme Court Justice Nominee has been rammed through or attempted to be rammed through the United States senate this close to the election. Thats never happened before. And, of course, neil kneel maybe this close to the election but, certainly its not unprecedented that we have an election year. Is this really just a return to the favor of the way Merrick Garland was treated and titfortat on that. As you know, neil, a majority of americans agree with the position that Senate Democrats have taken. We have had 30 million americans already vote in the president ial election. We should wait until we have a newly elected president who then can make the nomination. That is exactly the rule that senator mcconnell and Lindsey Graham themselves laid down when barack obama was president back in 2016 or much earlier in the year. So, they need to. Neil senator, democrats i understand where you are coming from. If democrats were in the exact same position position like this they held the senate and white house under a different party, how would that be pursued . Neil, as you know Mitch Mcconnell did object when blocked at which earlier in the year. Once you establish a precedent, you need to apply that precedent equally. Otherwise what you are doing is effectively jamming the court. You are effectively packing the court through this illegitimate process. One process that you apply. Neil you mentioned packing the court, senator. Thats the fear that some have and maybe the republicans have raised that if you get the majority in the senate or run the table and joe biden wins, thats what you are going to pursue. That you wont let republicans enjoy this day. They will roux the day they did this and the return would be to pack the court. Are you for packing the Supreme Court . Well, neil, lets make no mistake what republicans in the senate are doing now is packing the court by changing the rules in the United States senate. Neil i understand where you are coming from on that. We can agree to disagree but are you would be be for that . My view is that after the election, depending on how this all turns out, we should review the entire process. Look, joe biden, the Vice President s just said today that what we should do is establish a Bipartisan Commission to look at this. Because you should not allow the abuse of power to determine the balance of the court. I think most americans agree with that. That he we shouldnt allow this to be purely a matter of chance and the issue of applying different rules to different president s. My view is, yes, we need to take a look at how we need to make sure that we have a balanced court and thats exactly what Vice President biden has done. He said he wants to put forward a Bipartisan Commission to take a look at it. Neil real quickly. Earlier i had rob portman of ohio on your colleague from ohio. A republican who says that stimulus is dead and its going to be on democrats. What do you think of that . Well, thats interesting because just this tuesday democrats tried to get a vote in the United States senate on the second package the house has sent out, the heroes act 2. And, as you well know, there have been ongoing discussions between the Trump Administration and Speaker Pelosi. And they have gotten kind of close. They havent finished them up. But who threw the grenade into all of that . It was Senate Republicans. It was Mitch Mcconnell. I mean, we all know that he has told the Trump Administration dont you dare come up with a big comprehensive plan because we dont want that in the United States senate when we say we, Senate Republicans dont want it. Mitch mcconnell has been very clear about that. So, its interesting that senator portman as one of senator mcconnells colleagues would try to give him cover when mcconnells fingerprints are all over the death of this emergency package. Neil the president apparently real quickly, senator, is going to force this ukrainian and the email exchange issue over hunter biden with Tony Bobulinski the former hunter biden Business Partner ukraine he is going to pound it. Do you think he should and do you think joe biden should respond . There are curious developments here. Do they warrant attention tonight . You know, neil, i think we are in the middle of a pandemic. 220,000 americans have died. Millions others are suffering from the economic pain and fallout. Thats why we have been pushing for a vote in the senate on the heroes 2 legislation. I dont think the American People are going to have much patience for donald trump, the president , launching an attack against the Vice President s son and family members. Everybody who has looked into this, and you can be sure lots of people have have found that there is no there there. We just learned that the Intelligence Community warned the white house that the russians have targeted Rudy Giuliani as part of one of their intelligence operations. So, i think the president would do the country a favor if he stays away from it. But apparently he cant resist. Neil we will see what happens senator Chris Van Hollen, very good talking with you, sir, appreciate it. Good to be with you. Neil the point here tonight and a lot of questions asked including one person who wont be there the libertarian candidate for the president of the United States on the ballot for 50 states good enough for the federal Election Commission not good enough for debate organizers who have excluded her. She is here though and she is upset after this. Your journey requires liberty mutual. They customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Wow. That will save me lots of money. This games boring. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Neil joe biden has arrived in nashville we know this whole ukrainian email issue with his son hunter biden is going to come up. In fact the Business Partner that hunter biden was dealing with is going to be there. Peter doocy has more. Hey, peter. Neil, joe biden and jill biden are on the ground in nashville they landed at the International Airport and making their way here for a walk through. And before joe biden even left delaware he was trying to get donald trump to stay within the lines tonight. We will have plenty of time to talk when this is over, okay . So, hopefully he is going to play by the rules. Hopefully everybody has been tested. Hopefully its all worked out the way the rules are im looking forward to this. Thank you. Biden hasnt done anything outside the house since mid afternoon monday as he prepped for tonights debate which senior staffers believe will focus on things President Trump could bring up so he doesnt have to speak so much about his response to the coronavirus pandemic like hunter biden. We expect that trump will attack biden and his family. And every time he does that all he is doing is reinforcing what we have said all along. He is acknowledging that he has no case for a second term. The Biden Campaign tells us he tested negative for s this morning. So that is something that they did to send him on out of the house. Can i hear the motorcade and see a bunch of people with their phones out. Weave think he is here now for that walk through. Neil . Neil he knows its going to come up. Do we know whether he has got a strategy for it, assuming the moderator doesnt bring it up and the president does . Right. And we saw on the debate stage last time and i had seen on the campaign trail throughout the primaries its something where no matter who brings it up he answers in a very animated way. So whether or not Kristen Welker decides to go there or if it is upon donald trump to bring it up if he wants to talk about it, i expect response higher volume than if they were talking about Something Like the green new deal. Neil . Neil all right. Peter, thank you very, very much. So, it will be joe biden vs. Donald trump. What it will not be is a third candidate on all ballots across the country on all 50 state ballots. Im talking about the 2020 libertarian candidate. The first time we have seen a woman receive the libertarian nomination joins us right now. Jo jorgensen. Professor jorgensen very good to have you. You are not there. How do you feel about that . Well, im more concerned about the American Voter than the Libertarian Party because i would be the only alternative for people to see. You know, we keep hearing its two old rich white guys but thats the least of it. The biggest problem is they both want to spend our money. They both want to make our decisions. Neither one has an answer t pressing healthcare problem and neither one is going to bring the troops home. Can i see why they dont want me on stage. Neil you know, you did reach the qualifications of the federal Election Commission of which 5 of the vote to be on all 50 state ballots. The debates require you to be polling at 15 . So good enough for the fec. Not good enough for the debate commission. Are you angry at the commission . Well, but let me interrupt you there i wasnt even included on the polls that i needed to score at 15 . I think what happened was last time gary johnson got to 13. 6 , and they thought, you know, thats dangerously close, so this year lets not even put her in the polls. Now of course on im some polls but the not the polls to get into the debate. It was impossible from the start to be on the debate stage. Nell kneel you have eclectic background. You are a successful business woman. An entrepreneur. You are lecturer at clemson university. I should fully disclose you teach my son. He attends your class, your psychology class. I dont know how thats going to go. Wee will see how that goes. I wanted to get that all out there. Let me ask you though, professor, the battle of Third Party Candidates has always been that they simply take away from one or the other main candidates. I know you said that thats not the case. But we have seen examples in certain battleground states where people like a ralph nader in the past move voters that otherwise would have gone, lets say, to al gore that year. And do make a difference that way. But thats about the best they can hope for. What do you say . Well, what i say is i hope i can make a change. And people have asked me about being a spoiler. The only way i could be a spoiler is if the other two werent doing their job. You know President Trump came in said im an outsider. Going to cut the deficit and debt and he has done none of that. We have seen the debt go up higher than president obama. What he had done what he said he was going to do he wouldnt have to worry about me. Neil lets talk about a couple of where you stand on some of the key issues. True to libertarian thinking you are really against government involvement or pushing their thumb on the will and freedom of people. But you raise some concerns when that included your opposition to lockdown the Vaccine Mandates. Are you saying on the Vaccine Mandate issue that if one were to come up to deal with covid19, you dont think people should take it or what did you mean by that . Well, im saying it should be up to the choice of the individual. Now, let me mention, i vaccinated my children when they were young and my daughter has vaccinated her son; however, if other people dont choose vaccinations, then they shouldnt be forced to by the government. A lot of things that libertarians talk about how we should be allowed to use any type of drug, including marijuana. That we should be able to gamble or people should be able to engage in sex work. Those are all things that the government is keeping us from doing. But to have a discussion about the government forcibly putting something into our body is egregious and im surprised its even going on in a supposed free country. Im surprised we are even having the discussion of having something forced into our bodies. Neil but should that be mandated in schools . There are stories, as you know, professor, where parents opt not to give their kids vaccinations which would help them, which would deal with everything from the flu to a host of other things. Its one thing to leave it up to parents but if parents dont want to do that and it endangers the childser with fair, is that a step too far . And this is exactly the difference between libertarians and the other two parties. The other two parties gives us a one size fits all. So, you know, lets say i want vaccines and my neighbor doesnt. We each have to pick our own candidate. Donate money, get out and vote get all our friends to vote and on election day one of us is going to win and one of us is going to lose and its a one size fits all. And the Libertarian Society we get to keep our resources and vote with our feet or vote with our dollars. Can i send my kids to school with vaccines and my neighbor can send his kids to a school that doesnt require vaccines. Thats one of the reasons why i think we are so polarized we are having to vote on everything. Its getting to the point where pretty soon they are going to be asking us do we wants to be vegetarians or steak eaters and i would suggest that a decision so personal as vaccines something as personal as what you eat. Neil now, you are a professor as well. Im quite aware at clemson, i guess they are going to look at virtual classes after thanksgiving. That theyre concerned that this is spreading. Do schools push that too far . Do you think that virtual classes or in person classes it should be up to students and or their parents to decide . Yeah. Education is a local issue. It should be decided among parents, teachers and students. And one thing i would do is get rid of the one size fits all department of education from washington. And i heard President Trump earlier telling schools you really should get back into school. It varies. The needs of rural appalachia are much different than the needs of downtown new york city. Much different than the needs of arizona. It should be up to the localities to decide what they want to do. Not the federal government. As president , i wouldnt even give my opinion. I would say its up to you. Neil lets say you were to become president , and i would ask you what your vision for america would be. You have often compared the way switzerland operates. It is successful country. They have a banking center. They do everything the way a country should the difference is, quoting here. Switzerland doesnt get its nose in everyone elses business and they try not to be the worlds policeman. So i would get out there and say we need to treat the world as our neighbors and not combatants and we need to bring the troops home. Is that your philosophy of what america should be . Well, you mentioned banking. Im looking towards switzerland as a model for national defense. And what i have said is i want to turn america into one giant switzerland. Armed and neutral. We are in 150 Different Countries around the world and we spend more than the next seven countries combined. And it would be different if it were just the money. But its actually making us less safe, not more safe as we saw with 9 11. So, i want to be neil switzerland, professor . Obviously we are many times the size. It might work for, you know, a much smaller democracy here. Its a little different with a country like ours. Does america have an obligation when it comes not intruding on conflicts. I get that. But to bear responsibility or to help the rest of the world given its shear size and wealth . I would say that because we are a larger country that that is even more reason to be neutral. Because we are seen as a bully elsewhere. And, you know, even President Trump has been touting his peace agreement, not everybody is happy with it doesnt matter how pick somebody is not going to be happy with it. Thats why i want to remain neutral. For instance, us being over in the middle east. Now, let me give a disclaimer. There is absolutely no reason, no justification for flying planes into buildings. But we made it easier on bin laden because he went to his people there and he said, look, they promised they would be gone. They said they would be here temporarily. They are still here. And, oh by the way, they are trying to take over our religion and our laws. And so it was much easier to convince them that they needed to attack us. Now, again, we cant stop every mad man but we shouldnt make it easier on them. Or for them. Neil would you dramatically cut our military budget . I would cut it so that we would have a Strong Defense for our shores. We need to absolutely defend our shores and defend our borders. However, there is no reason for us to be in france and germany, japan, and definitely not the middle east. And i have been jokingly saying we keep hearing how great france is that they get five week vacations maybe we would get five week vacations, too, if we werent supporting their military and all the other militaries around the world. Neil all right. Jo majoring is on we will be following the debate. She wont be there but the two main candidates donald trump and joe biden will be. Catch our coverage at 8 p. M. Right through the end and our own futures Market Reaction tonight. Heres the five. Hello. I am dana perino with martha, juan williams, Jesse Watters and greg gutfeld. Its 5 oclock in new york city and 4 oclock in nashville. This is the five. Well, its all on the line for both donald trump and joe biden. We are just 4 hours away from tonights high stakes debate. Anything can happen. The candidates face off for the final showdown 12 days from the president ial election. 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