along, that jpmorgan come up the big investment house is telling its trading floor staff to get back to the office by september 21st. this is the first premier new york trading entity to say the shutdown is over, the lockdown is over and we expect you to come back to work in person. they have the midtown offices that have essentially been desolate, but jpmorgan indicating right now that the better part of valor they returned quoting here, from the journal by september 21st, the trading chief and the bank global head of sales delivered the message and conference call saying that's the medical conditions that make them more vulnerable to coronavirus complications. and that's the first major city employer, and that was a remark. this could put impetus into some of the jpmorgan competitors, the merrill lynch and they are slowly bringing the stuff back. but i wanted to bring this to your attention because it is indeed a significant evolvement but gets back to getting everybody back on track. welcome everyone, i neil cavuto and this is to be 25. we start off with a very busy item here, john roberts has been monitoring things at the white house. >> good afternoon. i thought it was interesting that the presidents said, he did the interviews, and they were all taped. he did them out of curiosity. said he did know a whole lot about woodward but he thought it would be interesting to talk to him. we don't know that when woodward did his first book about the trump administration, president trump wasn't upset that woodward had never spoken to him for the president. woodward did another book and actually talk to woodward himself. now we have all of these recordings of the president coming out and saying things like, i always play down the virus, i wanted to play it down because i did not want to create a panic. and the president is saying that wasn't the case. here's how he put it. >> president trump: i said we have to be calm, it can't be panicked and he certainly thought that was a bad statement. he thinks that we didn't have anybody that was going to suffer medically because of some fact. >> deposited nine that he lied to the american people or misled to of the american people and said his job is to be calm in the midst of crisis and did not jump up and down screaming death, as a president put it. joe biden suggested this was a life-and-death betrayal on the part of the president but, on a conference call with bill russo, but why did he continue to build big rallies during february and the first part of march. here's how he responded. or not. what he said was, there is a decision that you look a little bit differently in hindsight but maybe the president of the united states had been lying about the extent of the crisis we were spacing. we might have different information and make different decisions. but basically neil, the crux of the information is the president continues to insist they did deliberately mislead the american people that he was trying to lead and in doing so was trying to exhibit in air of calm in the midst of a developing crisis. i remember being in the brady briefing room that day the president did make it to bed and this was a pivot that woodward talked to him about, one of those recorded conversations with the president came out and suggests that more than 100,000 people could die from coronavirus and at that point i think the numbers were in the low thousands. it took all of us by surprise. i'm just curious and i don't want to blindside you with this, but the president knew that he was being taped. i will release a couple of sound clips that bob woodward said, i'm going to start the tape recorder and i thought that karl rove had a very fresh statement yesterday because he was during the bush administration. and the old "star trek" quote, i think it holds true but everybody does it and they'll come to recredit like carl said. we've been chatting about, biden knew at the time versus a president, because the president has all this information that the former as vice president did not. that would by and large corroborate what the white house's hearing. >> i don't know when biden would have had those briefings on the coronavirus and it looks like they were going to become the nominee that they get in on these intelligence briefings. but i do remember, whether it was biden barred de blasio, cuomo or nancy pelosi come up during the month of february and the early part of march, the democrats were playing this down themselves. for them to turn around, and they did the same thing. >> neil: i believe it biden in march had a large rally himself and criticize the president's move to ban the legs. so it seems that we should judge both men and what they were saying and doing by the same means. but you know what john, whatever i throw at you you are able to handle it with ease. john roberts of the white house. i want to get our star thinkers view of all of this because it's really on each party's proxy, to sort of play this to the help. a republican strategist and we've also got soraya bob murray with "the new york post" with us. let's get this way back to you. and i'm always left with the impression though that we live in the moment now, and get ahead of this ordeal with it now. you can't do two things concurrently, can you? >> no, you can't. i think it's very important to realize what kind of a fog of war we were in. it's a new natural phenomenon, but back then it was even more so. remember, this is the hole. when the world health organization was saying it was wrong to impose the chinese travel ban, remember. then they backed down and said it was a big deal. any kind of travel ban, of colonial history and so forth in the language of political correctness, public officials in new york, they were urging people to go to chinatown for a new year's celebration and we learn more and more about what the virus was. so i don't think it's crazy for a president to sit honestly day today with a reporter to say something where he is like, the only strange part about it, and i would not give an interview because, the idea that he was maliciously manipulating things, he's out of tune with what we knew then. >> neil: you know going back, i was certainly shocked to hear some of the recommendations of top officials and medical experts are saying this is akin to the 1918 pandemic. and things that will be shut down, and he was stunned by that. it wouldn't be surprising, it's a very small percentage. i've just been going through the woodward book, but it was very clear at the time that he was not aware just what this called for. the sweeping recommendation to shut the government down, to shut everything down, that's a better part of the century. and it was jolting and he didn't appreciate that. that's not to give him any slack here. i'm wondering and looking back if it's as simple as that. even then he didn't think any of these more draconian responses are necessary. what was the best measure in efforts to put forward to flatten the curve, and keep americans safe from the covid virus. in regards to woodward in his book, the president can't do or say anything right and personally i think this is a hit piece. i mean think about the timing of all this. we are 50 days or some out from the presidential election, right? woodward sat on his information for how long, months? why did he do that? but not only that, this has sucked all of the news out of the air in regards to the president, being nominated for the nobel peace prize. that's off the front pages, no talk about that at all. so this is in my view another way, another effort to go after the president and say that he can't do or say anything right when in fact his -- what he put forward was in the best interest for the country. whether it was shutting down travel from china, the medical equipment that was highly necessary, ventilators for anyone that needed it. the hospital ships -- >> neil: he was punching all those buttons and the things we had to do. michael starr hopkins i do want to get your thoughts on a separate development that does tie in with us. jpmorgan is telling its workers to return to their new york city offices by september 21st, which is a couple of weeks from now. this is the kind of thing that economists will tell those who follow the comeback from the virus, you need to see, to get things back on track. others will likely follow that move. now they did provide workers who feel skittish or have child care issues or feel vulnerable, they can stay home, and i'm sure keeping a good count of how many do so but do you think this is the kind of thing the president has been talking about since? and however this started, it's time to go back to work. now a major investment firm in a major employer in new york is saying the same thing and others will likely follow and it could have a cascading effect. what do you think? >> this is an important first step of the only reason that jpmorgan is able to do that is because in new york, they've been able to get the infection rates below 1%. they've been able to do that because they been using masks. i was in timber villa virginia, trump country, and one of the things that really bothered me was when i went into the grocery store and people weren't wearing masks and the kids who are at the counter ringing up groceries were in masks and their lives were put at risk, not because of anything other than statements made by the president about this being a hoax, this being a mask. today he's saying it's not a hoax. he saying that we should wear masks but we don't exist in a vacuum. so when you spend months demagogy scientists, when you spend months talking about how this is just a democratic hoax, people don't believe anymore and so now, you have eight months later 200,000 americans dead and even more dying. you know, 1100 americans died yesterday. in france i think it was 30. at what point are you just going to say this guy's not up the j job? >> neil: you have to admit that the trend has been improving. the percentage of positives is down, the lowest it's been of the cycle. right? >> that's like setting 50 states on fire and sing 40 of them aren't on fire anymore, and it's better. >> neil: i follow the numbers and the data because i'm a numbers nerd and the numbers aren't right or left. i mean they are coming down. the number of cases is coming down in numbers of states that have serious incidences of spikes has gone down from 28 a little more than a couple of weeks ago, to trance too. progress is very, very clear. >> of the coronavirus doesn't care whether you are democrat or move up again and those kids in the grocery store that are in the grocery store getting coughed on by those who refuse to wear masks -- >> neil: i'm literally talking about the numbers and where they stand and lives on the part of a major brokerage firm. it's an opportunity to get back to normal. we will follow that 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him to turn around and go back and he didn't, comes back the next day and off he went, i think to jail. i don't think he was arrested per se but they did file them up and all that. member joins us now. what's the latest, do you plan to prove return tomorrow to pursue the same thing? they say you are disturbing things and making very difficult for those who are going through a combination of in-person and virtual classes. you say, what? >> tomorrow i intend on doing nothing. tomorrow is september 11th and i think there are more important things to be covered tomorrow. >> neil: okay. that aside, your basic argument is i want to learn in person, right? that's what this all comes down to. so you knew there was this hybrid teaching structure but you wanted no part of that. so, what did they tell you when you came up the first day? >> the teacher didn't find me on his first period roster and he sent me to the assistant principal who sent me to the principal who told me that i had to leave. i refused and he said that i had to leave again and i walked out of his office and he told me that i would be suspended for insubordination. i went back to class and went through the whole day without issue. >> neil: so right now i think about 20% of their classroom teaching is in person and the rest is virtual, right? how did you not make the in person part, or were you trying to force your way into the in-person part? >> i didn't make the in-person portion because i was suspended and they told me i was not to come back on school grounds. so until the suspension was over for five days, and i came back on school grounds guard lists. >> and where is that third degree charge at right now? >> how do you mean? >> my legal counsel will be present. >> neil: what is your family say about what you are doing, your friends? >> my family friends are in 100% support of me. >> neil: for those who are okay with the virtual learning, what -- what do you say to them? >> that's fine. if you are more comfortable with that, that's okay and there are some full virtual options offered by every district in the country. so if you are more comfortable at home, you should stay home. >> neil: many going after you on this are saying you are doing it for show or notoriety or attention. what do you say? >> i i'm doing it to go to school. if they would let me go to school i would have needed to call fox. they would let me go to school i would have been going to school today and it would have come home and went to school the next day. it wouldn't of been an issue. >> neil: now they cycle this through, it's between in-person and virtual classes so the next wave for in person classes or to expand that could be some weeks or months away. are you open to waiting until then if they keep telling you to go home? >> i intend on continuing to make my voice heard until the administration decides that they can't ignore it anymore and we get to go to school five days a week. along with all of the extracurricular activities, sports, et cetera. >> neil: got it. we are going to talk to a school system spokesperson on this and just a moment, the superintendent's office, they also argue that you are threatening other kids his safety by forcing this issue. you know, distancing programs that are in effect, limited capacity, all of that. and that you are actually risking harming some of your fellow students health. what do you say to that? >> i argue that that is not a valid point because the risk is relatively low as you can see that the statistics and the infection rates, and i would argue that all of the other students have the same risk, and that the masks are in fact decreasing the risk substantially. >> neil: is so you are open and perfectly happy to wear a mask into all this other stuff going to school, and they just didn't want you there because you are not included in that group with the suspension stomach >> i abide by school policy and i wear the mask and i sat at the desks that were the requisite distance apart and they didn't want me there. >> neil: so what did they say, we still don't want you here, whether you where the mask or do everything by the letter of the law or the guidelines, they don't want you there. what are you going to do? >> well like i said, this issue is not over until i get to go to school five days a week. >> neil: you want to go on to college, i'm sure that right? >> potentially, it might be part of my plan. i.c.e. what are you interested in studying? >> i might study business administration or something, i want to trade really professional. >> neil: well you are pretty good at the legal stuff, maybe a law career could be our next column. maverick, thank you very much, good talking to you and we will see where all of this goes. but you are making history, depending on your point of view it's either good history or bad history. he just wants to go to class in person. let's go to the other side of this right now with robert metcalf. robert, i'm sure you had a chance to listen to maverick's argument, he wants to just go to school in person classes, that's what he wants to learn. he's taking all the safety precautions required to make sure he will learn. say for him and say for everyone around him. what's wrong with that? >> so while we agree with mr. stone that we want our kids back five days a week as well, we have nearly 9,000 students in our school system in nearly 3,000 kids in her high school. all the cat decided to come in like mr. stowe came in on his own terms we will not have enough space to do socially distance our kids and our classroom and that is the sole issue. he and his individual opinion does not surpass the right of the other of the 800 students and their families in the district that we are forced to adopt a hybrid model to follow the state regulations and guidelines as set forth by the state government and the department of health officials to make sure that we have distance learning in place so that it's safe for everybody students and staff. we don't have -- a protest against the state regulations guidance regulations guidance. >> neil: we are having some audio issues with you, if you can hear me, i apologize for jumping on you. i just want to be clear here. did maverick not make the cut for in person classes even though he wanted in person classes? how is not disabled? >> we have a hybrid model where we have half of our student's coming two days a week and the other half of the students coming the other two days a week and fully virtual one day in the middle of the week. we have a small percentage of our students are fully virtual because we offer that option for those that wanted to attend, we had no choice but to split it up due to the size of our districts so that we could properly socially distance in every classroom throughout our buildings and through the district. we are one of the largest school districts in suffolk county so we had limited options with what we could offer with the protocol that's put in place by new york state. >> neil: so the weight goes if i understand what you're saying correctly, all students are going through a hybrid type program. some are learning virtually during the course of the week and some in person. so if maverick wanted to make them all in person, equipment, equipment, all eatables are now? >> that is not an option that's available to us due to the size of our student population, because of all the students who wanted to come five days per week came, we couldn't safely socially distant and follow our executive orders by the governor of the state of new york with safe social distancing. cleveland so he said he's not returning tomorrow in light of the 9/1 9/11 anniversary b comes next monday and tries to force the issue, what will you do? >> here's the story i want to clarify. he's not being allowed in school because he wants to attend school. he came to school and was grossly insubordinate, did not follow building administrative directors and he even admitted to walking out of the principal's office during a meeting with the principal was trying to mediate the situation. that was the first day. he and his family informed to were informed he was suspended. when he came in the second day companies now a suspended student who is not authorized on school grounds trying to gain access to our buildings. we have zero tolerance for students that are suspended to try to come into our buildings regardless of the reason for the suspension. it was an unauthorized individual trying to access our buildings and in today's day and age of the school safety being of the utmost priority based on what we have seen over the last several years, we cannot have on authorized individuals. so on the second day when he tried to access our buildings we informed him that if he came back, he would be arrested by suffolk county police for criminal trespassing. then in a premeditated format and he followed and he is 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president based on the influence they have on voting and approving supreme court justices or at least nominating them and seeing what happens in various senate committee hearings and ultimately in the full senate itself. the president has outlined additional names he would be considering if you were elected for the nation's highest court and among them is this next fellow. arkansas senator tom conley. we surprised that you popped up on that pretty exclusive list? >> good to be on with you. i wasn't surprised, the president and his team reached out to talk about some of the names on the list and asked me about my name, and about my relapse and i said i had been 15 years and hadn't had a relapse. i think the real story here is a goes to show the president is committed in his second term to build on his success of appointing conservative judges. we still don't have such a list from joe biden because that would be filled with a bunch of far left radicals and hurt him in this election. just one more example of how the president is saying what he plans to do in a second term whereas joe biden is continuing to hide his unpopular agenda from the american people. >> neil: we don't know exactly what joe biden is planning that we do know that he has indicated that he would like to put an african-american on the court and that's the closest he's come to tipping his hand on this. what do you think that on about the fact that on the president's list, there are quite a few senators, one who is not too keen on it is senator ted cruz and a host of other former solicitor general's and that sort of thing. what's interesting is we have not had someone come from senator to make it all the way to the supreme court pick since harry truman i guess did this back in 1949 with senator sherman benton. so it's unusual. i not saying unprecedented but, how likely would it be that the president would turn to you and how likely do you think it would be that he would take him up on that offer and it could go ahead and try? >> that's pretty far down the road. i'm running for reelection as is he and there's not even a vacancy yet in a lot of eminently capable on that list. the president believes that a diverse perspective instead of backgrounds is useful for the supreme court. in the last few decades of the kind of fallen into a pattern of continually appointing judges from the federal court of appeals and there's nothing wrong with that. any of them are extraordinary jurists like sam alito or clarence thomas. but to have senators have their name on the ballot for have a solicitor general. have a assistant attorney general, there is a long history in our government of having supreme court justices who did not come up the ranks of just practicing law and then sitting on the lower courts and then going to the supreme court. i think it would help to have that kind of perspective because one of the most fundamental qualifications for the court is to understand the difference between making the law and applying the law and a comment too often we have a group of nine unelected lawyers who want to make the law in accordance with their preferences and not allow our people by their in congress or the state legislatures through their elected representatives make the law for themselves. >> neil: john roberts zig when everyone expected him to zag and justice kavanaugh at the same time. you are a pretty conservative guy, your views are well known certainly arkansas and throughout the nation. who's to say that may be sitting on that court and with those eight other justices, when cases come up that, whatever happens, you change. i seen it happen on both sides. >> as you say i've been in public life long enough now that my views are very well-known and sometimes you do have disappointments as the chief justices have numerous disappointments in recent years but i will say that kavanaugh has been a very strong conservative voice over the last couple years in the supreme court so i would not at all put him in the same category as the chief justice. that goes to show again that the president is committed to transparency with the american people. he wants the american people to look at his record of nominating conservative judges at the trial court, the court of appeals and the supreme court and come to know that he's going to nominate exactly those kind of judges in the future and i think that's one reason why he refreshed his older list and added this new group of persons to that list and i think that's what joe biden should do. joe biden is obviously going to do that though. >> neil: while we will see, we don't know. but it is unusual that he's done this. i do want to get your views first as a senator. and maybe hotels, as a justice down the road in the constitutionality of it of this fight that one student is having a new york, wants to attend in person clap classes and is being told that right now that's not the way they are doing it and they are doing a hybrid situation with virtual classes and some in classes. then there are the rules. essentially the school seems to be saying. what do you think of that? >> i think what schools need to do is open for five days of in person learning. that's what we're doing in arkansas. all schools offer a virtual option as well for students with health conditions or parents with health conditions that might make it too risky to be in person but we are now three weeks in and sure, there has been some cases confirmed but right now schools are making the very best of it. they have it in person classes and football games already, extracurricular activity and so what i would do is encourage more schools to open for five days of in-person classes. a month or six weeks ago so many of the schools were saying we can't do that, teachers unions were opposed to it but now that we are four or six weeks on and places like arkansas or a lot of places around the country it is by and large succeeding, i think more schools need to move forward with in person classes. i know a lot of school so they will make that decision at the end of september and i would encourage them to do so. also that's one reason is so disappointing, the democrats and the senate filibustered our legislation today that would have provided more funding for schools to reopen or schools to stay open and then you wouldn't have this kind of disputes that we have seen in new york. if schools were open five days per week for in-person instruction. >> neil: part of that, because that essentially went down in flames and obviously isn't going anywhere now is a liability of protection for companies and businesses that do reopen. so in case someone gets coronavirus or get sick or they can't be sued right out of business. i only say that in the context of the news that jpmorgan become big investment houses telling its workers, we think the coast is clear right now for everyone to return back to our new york city offices on september 21st. some allowances for those with kids and other conditions but, they are leading that charge without any legal protection. what do you think of that? >> it would provide liability protection just for businesses, who also provided for schools and universities, too. and that's a good step in the direction of five days per week and schools and universities know they won't face that kind of liability. it saying if you follow public health guidelines and exercise the best practices then you can't be sued by a bunch of -- >> neil: i'm jumping on you again senator because i screwed up my timing. they are free to do that and that they are going to do that in the case of jpmorgan, they will implement that on the 21st, everyone back at work in the building. more after this. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. 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>> neil: jeff paul in monrovia california. thank you very much, be safe. in the meantime, the campaign is still on and it's getting busy and both candidates are out on the stump. the president will take a trip to michigan tonight and the latest on what he plans to do tonight, after this. >> michigan was a state that the president rocked world with. the first republican since 1988 by a little more than 10,000 votes. the polls are very tight. some showing vice president with a lead of 4 to 5 points. it was 7 to 8 before. steve harrigan with the latest on the importance of the state and why the president is there again, steve. >> neil, a packed house here. trump supporters began arriving in the early morning hours for a 7:00 p.m. rally by the president. the president did squeeze out michigan in 2016. a tight race. winning 0.3%. most polls show biden up four points right now. vice president biden was in michigan yesterday in this battle over the battleground state. michigan is all-important if he's going to win the presidency. >> this comes from the gut for me. i'm going to be coming back. i'll be back in this state at least two or three more times. it's a must-win state. >> the president is likely to talk about the economy tonight. that's an issue he's been doing well on. he released a series of ads in michigan saying the economy is coming back to life and that joe biden would wreck any chance at recovery. michigan's economy has been hit hard by the coronavirus. unemployment was at 24% in april. it's down to about 8.7% now. neil, back to you. >> thank you, steve. steve harrigan in michigan. the economy coming back is a big theme the president is bounding. to amplify that point, world out the "wall street journal" and other sorts that j.p. morgan is telling the trading staff and the company sales staff to come back in person to offices in midtown manhattan september 21. those with other issues, child care issues or vulnerable workers can hold off on that. for the better part of valor, get your butts back to work. that's the theme the president has been pounding, reopening, reopening. new york city restaurants are reopening at a 25% basis. charl charlie has more. >> yeah, we reported on fox business a couple weeks ago. the plan was simply this. 50% -- bring 50% of the workers by the end of the year. start slowly by filtering what is known as essential -- more essential workers. people that transact businesses with small investors known as brokers or financial advisers don't have to come to the office. traders are people that need to be near technology and on the trading desk. they're considered more essential. so that's why the trading staff is going in first. some investment bankers will go in. the real issue here though, neil, not just j.p. morgan but every wall street firm, is that they know they can operate very efficiently with just some of the staff in, maybe 50% known as essential, computer programmers, traders. everybody else doesn't have to be in the office every day of the week. >> don't you think others will be incentivized to come in as well now, maybe on a limited basis, but that j.p. morgan might be the leader here and others will follow suit and could change the economic complexion in new york? >> i think -- here's what i think. i think j.p. morgan -- i've been reporting this now for weeks -- believes that a lot of its workers can work from home still. these are essential workers. this is the problem that new york city faces. not just high crime, not just the pandemic, but right now big businesses like banks that are very good at cutting costs have realized that a lot of the workers don't have to be in the office. traders -- trading is a very sophisticated technique. involves technology. a lot of derivatives flying around the world. you don't want to mess up that. that can bankrupt the bank. that's why they need to be in the office. the other players don't. this is well-baked in. the real question is, see what happens by the end of the year. who is in the office and who is not. if there's less than 50%, that means the banks have figured out they can cut big costs by not bringing everybody back into the office in new york city in high priced real estate. >> yeah, they keep telling us, charlie, keep doing imaginary shows as long as you wants. >> i'm nonessential. >> yeah, i am. >> if you're nonessential, come on. you're our italian fact finder. it all started here. now what happens? do others follow suit? the future of the economy, not just in new york city, could be in the offing. here's "the five." >> jesse: hello. i'm jesse waters with juan williams, dana perino, greg gutfeld and kennedy. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five". >> jesse: here's president trump sparring with reporters earlier. >> why did you lie to the american people? why should we trust -- >> that's a terrible question and the phraseology. i didn't lie. i said we have to be calm. we can't be panicked.

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