Like a tinderbox. Chris calendar in the studio. The reason they call it a forest, tucker 52 acres of timber, some eight or 900 years ago that is what it took to build this thing, 800 years ago and the timber come of course drying for that long so when this went up a tinderbox for all intensive purposes. It happened a little after 6 00 p. M. Paris time and you can see the smoke coming up out of the cathedral and people were wondering what the smoke was and then minutes later, you look at the pictures and you can see the flames, the smoke had gotten much darker. The firefighter say they were actually there as soon as the workers because they are now in the process of renovating where they were renovating the fire. The workers where they are and the firefighters trying to bring them out, but the problem was, there was no resources which is because the people in the scene said it was unbelievable that you had this thing burning. And you see that notre dame actually on an island. There is a river that runs by the back of the property. So wonder was, why wasnt their water pushed or pumped on this thing . And for some reason, 30 or 40 minutes, they struggled to be able to get some water on this. They actually considered using helicopters like we see in wildfires out west to dump on there, but the concern then would be with there be enough water to put the fire out and would it do more damage . They thought about bringing in the tinkers which we see in firefights out west, but the question is thats not a sign and a big tinker to come through to drop this water and doing damage not only to the building but some of the people who work around their so by the time they got there, allf this would come of the entire cathedral going down and they were saying later, they had no idea if they were going to be able to put the fire out. Period. Tucker to be clear, it is a loss. The cathedral the cathedral, we cant, so the elimination ofe number of places. The two things to be clear from your reports, the two things at this hour that we really dont know and maybe we should, how did this happen exactly . There is speculation we dont know if its right its right. Trace we dont. Tucker and we dont know why, firefighters benefit of every doubt, but we dont know why the response of the delayed, do we . Trace the firefighters were pushing back saying they were there minutes after and the witnesses said yes, they were on the scene trying to get people out. What we dont know why werent the resources they are . Why didnt they have a tanker . Why didnt they have the water being pumped on question we do not know. What we do know there was renovation going on up top. We know there was construction and that very area of the fire started. We dont know if that was the cause at all but we know one could potentially lead to the other. We also know if you look at these pictures now inside, you are talking about if youve ever been inside this amazing structure, you have 76 of those paintings. They are 4 feet tall. They are everywhere in the ceilings, walls, windows magnificent in their own right. Those are gone. Now the concern is, we lost the artwork. We lost the oregon come at the heritage but did we lose the artifact . By that, did we lose the things that were in the volts below and not only the plans of the cathedral itself but also some of the early architectural plans of the city . They were locked and they are. That is the question now, how much of the heritage did they actually lose in the fire because it really was devastated . Devastating to catholics because its good friday, easter sunday. The two holiest days on the christian calendar, dozens, im sorry, hundreds of thousands would have celebrated mass this weekend. Tucker horrifying, thank you very much for that. Well, the fire you have been watching is in some ways metaphor. The broader decline of christianity in europe. The decline has beens swift with consequences. Mark steyn starting this question 40 years and we are glad to have him with us tonight, mark thank you for coming on. There is one that i cannot get out of my mind, we havent built anything like Notre Dame Cathedral in the west in so long. We dont build things that are beautiful anymore. Only by design. Will there ever be anything like that ever again . Mark i think we have lost the knack. Notre dame is about a ten minute walk from the Pompidou Center name for the late pompidou and that is one of the dash almost like any modern building in paris, that is one of the ugliest things youve ever seen. And when you go back eight and a half centuries to the time when this building began construction, it took a century for the first part of it to be completed. The man who set to work on this new they would not see it finished in their lifetime. But their sense of a transcendent meaning to life was so strong, that the idea of building the most beautiful building to the glory of god, they took naturally in a way that we dont anymore. Tucker well, and that, of course, the reason they built buildings like notre dame and the first place. Not just for the amusement but to glorify god. This is not, lets be clear, not speculating that because of the fire, you know, it happened as chris gallaghetrace gallagher, d it is not the only church that has caused caught fire in franc. If you desecrations of churches but give us a skill of whats been happening . Mark in retreat in europe, and in france particularly come up france has quite an aggressive belief in secularism and according to some polls, the french or even by the standardsf the molten west world to come most godless people in that sense. Three years ago and that terrible summer that began with the knees truck killings. The entire french was unraveling, i went to the cathedral for the paramount, the french priest who had his throat cut at mass. And then the basilica of saintdenis, and the north of paris where the french kings of buried. And basically a Christian Museum and the heart of what is now a muslim suburban in effect. There is no sense of christianity outside of the walls of that cathedral. It was after that that i went to notre dame because you do have the sense that a living, breathing faith is just becoming actually come a museum. An art gallery. A storage facility. And the french who were on the streets of paris, this evening. They are not morning just history or architectural art or cultural. They are mourning Something Else. But what that Something Else postchristian france cant quite identify it. That is really the conundrum. When he says we will rebuild it, for what . When people talk about the heart of france has died . What is in the soul of france . What is this . Is it just the building or something more. Tucker and so specifically as you well know, it was desanctified, d christianized during the french revolution for a time and was made a secular temple, but then immediately reverted to what it always was, which was a christian holy place. Do you think there is any hope in Something Like that will happen again in france . Mark you never know how these things will go. Everybody knows the hunchback of notre dame, the novel, quite a lot to restore the importance of notre dame in the minds of the french people. But michelle well back a controversial notable list, a summation which poses that france elects a muslim preside president. And he knows the single character knows this will mean something. And he actually makes a conscious effort to try to recover his lost catholic faith. And those are the kind of pilgrimage, and he has moved by the music. He is moved by the ritual. But he cant quite make the final step and reconnect with god and the catholic faith. And that seen in that book is in a certain sense the question raised by this fire tonight. Is it a hole in the soul or a missing building burned to the ground . Tucker has it made it a Better Society of christianity . Mark no, it has not. You have to believe in something. Tucker thank you. Mark thanks a lot, tucker. Tucker good to see you. Three days from now the weight will be over the department of justice announced the Mueller Report will in fact be released to the rest of us this thursday. It has been three weeks the attorney general william barr released his first summary of the report that exonerated the president and his tap from claims they colluded with the government of vladimir putin. Since then, diehard conspiracy notes have suggested that william barr lied in his summary because hes in on it too trying to help Lattimore Vladimir pn and the payment apparently. So we will find out very soon but that they were right or not. We will have the complete report the moment it drops with the exception of the reductions and if those people are wrong, do you think they will apologize . We are going to ask them to. Up next, for years democrats at the american should welcome every migrant legal or illegal, but since President Trump offered to grant them their wish, they have been strangely unexcited about it. What is going on . We will tell you after the break tucker so former obama advisor, has a new book out. You didnt know that. You were not alone. Nobody knew that. The book is called finding my voice and, just honest, not even in the top 1,000 on m amazon amp barnes and noble, no reviews like four reviews. Not selling copies and the amazing part the New York Times put it 14th on the best seller lists. So a book that sold no copies made the New York Times best seller list. So the book industry spoke to the News Foundation and described as inconceivable. So when conceivable in fact that only one expect nee expectation fraud. The companies by an authors book for a fee in order to guarantee best seller status. Were not saying that happen, we are just strongly suggesting that it mustve happened. Until now, the accomplishment life with friends with Michelle Obama but now a new achievement, bestselling author, congrats. For years, Democratic Leaders have fought against securing the border. They passed sanctuary city laws with two kinds of people in the world, effective americans who live here and the superior future americans who have the rest of the planet should be allowed to come here swiftly as possible. If you disagree, by the way, you are a bigot. This writer worked until something unexpected happened, the president threatened to agree with them last week he said hes ready to give them exactly what theyve been demanding Illegal Immigrants fresh from the border as many as possible bus to their front doors like a package from amazon. You think they would be thrilled. But they werent. They were angry. They said trump would dump immigrants on them, dump like used cars and tires in the woods. An interview with cbs news, president ial candidate cory booker accuse the president of something sinister. Watch this. I think hes trying to pit americas against each other and make it less safe. So you take this seriously . I take this, he is injecting fear into the country. So he was looking to solve the problem, he wouldnt do things to divide the country against itself. Tucker wait a second, wait a second to those following at home. Did you catch the word from senator booker from new jersey who went to Yale Law School way smarter than you . Bringing in Illegal Immigrants would make us less safe. That cant be true because he told us Illegal Immigrants are more lawabiding than you are. New york times and how can bringing immigrants pit each other against each other if they work hard and grow the economy . It sounds like bigotry talking. Is senator booker a bigot . What about share, a liberal actress singer. I understand that helping struggling immigrants but my city of los angeles is not taking care of its own. What about 50,000 citizens who live on the street, people who live below poverty line and are hungry . If my state cannot take care of its own and others vets, how can it take care of its own . The virus is spreading . Is cher a bigot too . What is going on . We are joined by richard who has come on tonight. Thanks for having me. Corey booker said and it is confusing to me from attempting illegal aliens into the city will make them less safe, how can that be true . We know from him and everybody else that they actually make us safer . Richard the Libertarian Group that did the research that said by undocumented immigrants commit crimes at lower native americans so pick it up with them but not me or liberals. Tucker im actually taking up with them 20 times but im interested in poker. And cher. And less likely the core of the economy and most americans among us, white and the world would you be calling them garbage to make the citys more dangerous, senator booker adjusted. Richard hes not calling them garbage. Tucker hes dumping them. Richard the pregnant the president s signature with mexico to pay for the wall to cp all of this from being an issue. He failed on that. It is counterproductive and remember people saying i one a trip to disneyland so all expensive paid trip to a great city. They would never even dream of getting there, but tucker but hold on. For 40 years we have taken refugees and moved them into rule and poor america but wh not Pacific Heights in San Francisco . Why dont we . Im sincere. Every time they come, they go to bethlehem, pennsylvania, why dont we send them into where zip code . And then to nantucket . Im not joking. Richard because i think President Trump is talking about dissenting thousands of people with no job, no family connections, no resources, and then having them go into a community where they have no roots, no nothing. So of course tucker with millions of people every decade you have a totally different country basically. No one cares. Richard if you said 10,000 or a hundred thousand people from norway or north dakota to Pacific Heights commit would beo having nothing to do with the color of their skin so i think cory booker tucker hold on, wait a second, you are breaking my argument and god bless you for doing that. I believe what you said. Its not about race but the pace of change and why should they have to handle it . I agree with that, White Nationalist for sending up but you are right. But im asking why dont we have the same about the rest of the country that is getting this imposed on them and nobody cares . Why dont they care . Richard the problem, tucker the president tried this 2018 campaign with the care of vein caravan and it didnt work. Ms13, his election day tied to losing by nine. This is a tactic the president is trying to vacate down the escalator and election day 2020 and everyday in between. And its unproductive. Tucker politically its unproductive. Richard that is the other problem. Tucker you are right of course, but maybe it makes us more compassion for the country that dont live in the zip codes we do, coastal zip codes. They complain about immigration, maybe they just want control over what happens to their town. Richard and i think comprehensive Immigration Reform is essential. That is what the president is trying to accomplish. Go back to 2013 deal with Lindsey Graham supporting it, that is a basis for tucker right. This is not that. Richard and less you offer him a deal. Tucker you are coming closer to the answer. I appreciated. Richard you got it. Tucker the state of california has a lot of problems with the program, San Francisco and los angeles have enormous homeless population, drive through and you will see it. One in five californias live in poverty the highest rate in the country. Thousands of middleclass residents flee every year. And the Fastest Growing places in the country but fear not, the Governor Newsom is taking ambitious three day poverty tour to learn about people and what he can do about it. Hes always been rich so he needs to do a little reporting on the subject but wait. It turns out hes not doing the tour in skid row or stop turn or Central Valley but instead guatemala it and el salvador. Hes they were to learn about the areas troubled including poverty and crime. To find about what california can do to help, california can do to help other countries work on their homeless and property related issues. Imagine if he was focused on his state which he is supposed to be running. Well, democrats a varies specific talking point point. Ilhan omar inciting violence. And also new developments in the college scandal, it might grow. The responses are straight ahe ahead. Tucker in 19022, two, ilhan omar came from a refugee camp in east africa, kenya. Three years later she received Refugee Status and five years after that a u. S. Citizen. She has been attacking the United States as racist ever sense. According to omar barely a difference between this country and terrorist groups like al qaeda. In a interview omar complained there was a big difference between america and al qaeda, watch. When i was in college, i took a terrorism class. Every time the professor said al qaeda, his shoulders went up. You know. You dont say america with insensitivity. England with intensity. You dont say the army with intensity. Tucker so she still feels this way and we know because she spoke to a group hosted by the council on American Islamic relations care. While they are congressman complained america is bigoted against muslims, secondclass citizens, she said. No proof because of certain claims. For greater freedom in america than they do it islamic country on the planet. That is where they move here, millions and millions more would like to join them and you would too if you wear them congressman omar lives here and in somalia, but in america by the way an elected member of congress. Could she do that in saudi arabia . No. Is she grateful . No, she never stops complaining. She made this famous remark about 9 11. Founded after 9 11, because they recognize that some people did something and that al