Old fashion. They are medieval or ancient depending who is reading the talking point at the time. Some of the arguments are semireal. Others are transparently fake. Still others flatly contradict one another. Rhetorically the democratic case against walls has been a mask from the beginning. At one point House Speaker nancy pelosi tried to bring order to the chaos flatly declaring that walls are immoral. She said that repeatedly with the force of religious edict in effect it was. But in the end the theology of it all was too complex and it seemed to confuse people. How can walls be immoral if a lot of those who oppose walls have walls around their own homes . That was a tough case to make. Even for a persistent faithleader like nancy pelosi. Finally pelosi just gave up. Yesterday she accepted the inevitably of a border wall. But here is the catch. The hidden trap door in these space time continuum that pelosi is famous for in washington. Yes, democrats now support a border wall. But no, its not the kind of wall you had in mind. The kind of wall you can touch. Or the wall that might keep unwanted people out of your country. Its instead a digital wall. A massive, invisible edifice constructed of virtual 1s and 0s that reside in some amazon server farm somewhere in suburban virginia. Its the wall of the future, in other words. A wall that google might build and probably will. Pelosi calls it a technological wall. House Speaker Pelosi what we are proposing is to build the infrastructure of the ports of entry. Strengthen that. The ports of entry. Spend the money. Hundreds of millions of dollars but have the scanning technology to scan cars coming through for drugs, contraband of any kind. Weapons even. Repair the roads, facilitate immigration and trade in those regions. The positive, shall we say, almost technological wall that can be built is what we should be doing. Tucker of course a technological wall. Why didnt we think of that . But wait, you say. Arent all walls technological walls . The only difference, of course; is in the kind of technology they employ . Well, yes. But before you get hung up on a semantic point be grateful that pelosi is using the w word at all. There was a time not long ago telling us a friete of lawnmowers would be enough to secure the border. House Speaker Pelosi lets talk about where a experience structure will do, or mowing the grass so people cant be smuggled through the grass. Tucker at a certain point you begin to wonder if democrats are as serious as they say they are about wanting to secure the border. Maybe you asked yourself that question. Well, wonder no more. They are not interested. Officially. Democrats support our immigration crisis. Which they will be quick to remind you isnt actually a crisis at all but part of the poem of the basis of the statue of liberty. The main interest is continuing the status quo. They want to do that and make sure certain no effective barrier is ever built along the southern border. To achieve that, democrats and the faithful lackies in the press will say anything, literally anything. Yesterday, to name one among million examples democrat katie hill of congress, accused trump of terrorism for disagree with her. Its frustrating every day to see how irrationm he irrational he is. We cant accept it anymore. Its political terrorism. Tucker terrorism . Maybe thats next week talking point. Check the sunday shows to see if it makes an appearance there. This week the phrase was vanity project. The wall, they are telling you, is somehow the president s vanity project like remodeled basement rec room or the clinton president ial library. Some consultant thought up the line and emailed it to pelosi and schumer who made sure every democrat in washington included it in every publicly uttered stense for a period of at least sentence for period of 24 hours which they were happy to do being robots. Watch. Construction brigade for the president s vanity project. It doesnt necessarily require our building of vanity project, concrete wall. For one thing this is a vanity wall. The president is holding it up as his vanity project. The president of the yates has a vanity project that he doesnt want to give up. This is not on the president s vanity project. This issue is about a vanity project for this president. Tucker vanity well, that is a new concern in washington. As it turns out vanity is the main reason the left loves Mass Immigration in the first place. They let millions of poor people in to your country at your expense. But they get to feel like heroes for doing it. Its really the equivalent of forcing a stranger to dump his water in the collection plate at gunpoint and taking the Tax Deduction for it. Its a great deal if youre holding the gun. You might call it the ultimate vanity project. Our guest is a former agent. What do you make of this. The technological wall, the vanity project. You have spent your life policing our borders. Do we need physical wall, an actual wall . Well, tucker, i have to say this is personal. I have worked in mexico. I have worked on the border. Born and raised there. I was attacked and agent cepata lost his life while we were in assignment in mexico. I know that this is real and the crisis is real. The border wall is very much needed. This is a physical barrier that will help our Border Agents down there. Help them just like the other technology would help them. The drones, the sensors. All the other technology that comes along the border, the border wall is just another tool that will help them do that. Its much needed so they can focus on the areas where that traffic is going to be infiltrated to. Tucker so in the shooting you referred to, you were hit three times. You were shot three times by a member of a mexican drug cartel. Yes. Tucker how do you, as someone who went through that, what is your response when you hear member of congress, congressional leaders saying there is no crisis at all and were imagining it and in fact its racist to say there is a crisis at the border. How do you respond . The crisis is real. I lived it and worked it. Especially the racist comment is unreal. Mexico now is looking to start to control their own southern border by sending their own federal troops down to the guatemala and belize border because theyre feeling the impact of the immigrants coming through their country. So are they going to be racist as well . So its absurd to think that it makes it a racist statement because, or it makes you a racist because you want a wall. Let me tell you what is immoral. What is immoral is the exploitation of the asylum laws. Congress needs to shut down and redo the asylum laws and legislation. Give you an example. If an adult person comes in to the country with a minor child and presents themselves to the Border Patrol, and turns themselves in seeking asylum, if that adult person has a criminal history and is known to have a criminal history, Border Patrol will have to still admit that person in with the child. Even though that person is now inadmissible to come in the country, we have to allow them to come in with the child to seek, to wait for the asylum hearing two or three years from now and well never hear from that person. Maybe that adult person is or not the parent of the child. Well never know what happens to the child as well. So there is a real crisis at the border happening right now. Tucker have you spoken to the speaker of the house nancy pelosi or the Democratic Leaders as they formulated their position in the debate over the border wall . Has anyone talked to you . No but i would love to. There is a major disconnect between washington and congress and what is going down in real life and the border. It would be so effective to have them just at least go down there and not just for the photo op or for a tenminute walk where there is an actual wall that actually works thanks to jim acosta. But to actually learn what the real crisis is down there. Not today, tucker. This has been going on for decades. This is just now the influx. I talked to the Border Patrol agents and they tell me they want this response to go forward with the wall. They are so afraid if this doesnt go through they cant imagine the influx of Illegal Immigrants going through because theyll send the wrong message. Tucker yeah. I cant imagine how you feel. If i was shot three times by a drug cartel and watched my partner murder and someone called me a racist because i wanted a wall, i dont know how you remain so calm but im impressed that you do. Thank you for joining us, victor avila and for what you had to say. Thank you for having me. Tucker thanks. As you deduce by now democrats using every rhetorical weapon they can to stop the border wall. Washington democrat premia suggested that the president s ultimate goal in all of this ethnic cleansing. Watch. There is a cluster of people in the Republican Party who catapulted trump to his win in the primaries who hate and or fear immigrants. Not only that, these are people who define their political life by stemming and stopping the invasion of the people who do not look like them. What they want is not policy. What they want is an ethically pure america. You just said it so beautifully, chris. This has never been about a wall. His ultimate goal is as you said to make america pure in the sense of not having immigrants not having folks of color here and shutting down every form of legal immigration. Tucker chris hahn radio host and former staffer for chuck schumer. Thank you for coming on. Anytime. I dont know if you saw the interview preceding this one, with the i. C. E. Former agent victor avila. He is in favor of a physical wall. He is being dismiss and others like him are being dismissed as racist because they disagree with the democratic orthodoxy on this. Isnt it time to pull back and assess this as a policy question and stop accusing anyone who disagrees of bigotry . Look, i dont think that he is a racist. I dont tucker thats generous. I dont think people who want increased Border Security are necessarily racist. Some people may be in some cases but not all. I think we need to have a real conversation about what real Border Security is. We talked about it. I believe we should use technology at the border. In some places the physical barrier is needed. But in most places, the thousand miles the president is saying seems irrational. Tucker how can we have rationm conversation about anything when we have member of congress saying wanting the barrier is equivalent to ethnic cleansing . It shuts down any ability i get so mad walking that clip i can barely talk. Its so unfair. Shouldnt we ask people like that to be responsible and some talking like to so we can solve the problem . I think there is a Certain School of thought that the talk of the wall is stoke part of the base, keep part of the base with the president who believes in this xenophobic idea of keeping people invading the country. That language doesnt help but if they want to have a rational conversation about the Border Security the president should reopen the government with a deal he made in december, before he pulled it back and bring everybody to the table and we can talk all about the options. Tucker we are going to call you hitler and accuse anyone who believes this thing of being racist, the one thing you are not allowed to be in america until you cede our demands. If you believe we need to decelerate the rhetoric, why not just start . Why not say we are not going to acause people with no evidence of White Supremacy or whatever the crime is, we are going to talk about what will secure the border . Lets start there. Cant we . Look. I dont hear leader schumer or Speaker Pelosi calling the president and his supporters racist. I hear them saying tucker nancy pelosi and then well talk. Tucker really . Nancy pelosi described the wall as immoral. That is what she is saying. That is insane. Now she is for a wall. You are hung up on that. We had this conversation last week. Tucker i never heard anybody talk about that way in american politics. You you disagree with me and god is mad at you now . Even Jerry Falwell didnt talk that way. Its insane. Again, i dont think she meant it as immoral in the religious sense. She doesnt have command over her faculties, which im beginning to suspect. I think she has excellent mend of her faculties and a better leader than we have seen. Either she knows what she is saying or she doesnt. I give her the benefit of the doubt but if she knows what she is saying she should be ashamed because you shouldnt inject that language in political discussion. Let me ask about the technological wall. Ive been calling for it. Tucker it would include drone surveillance. Ive been calling for it. Tucker maybe you dont know, we have a species of that. Over the giant der rivables over the mexican border. It doesnt work. What would it look like exactly. Drone hovering over illegal aliens trying to sneak in the country, sees them coming in and what happens that is better than the wall . You deploy the Border Patrol. If you dont waste 25 billion on a wall you can hire more agents like the guy on before who are brave and doing their job. Instead he wants to waste money on a wall and we wont have the manpower to staff it. By the way, tucker, if you call tucker what you are saying doesnt make sense. You are saying we wont have the manpower it makes perfect sense. Tucker you just said by the way, the agent, the brave one you complimented is calling for a wall. But i guess his opinion doesnt matter. He is not a policy maker. Tucker yet another spanishspeaking racist. You are just saying, because im a literal person, you are saying that it would require more manpower to, staff a wall than it would yeah. Tucker to protect the border with no wall . Walk me through the math on that, if you would. As i said to you before, you probably would need to have a guard every 150 feet on a wall to make sure it wasnt impenetrable. So when they use example of the peoples home and other places with walls, prison, they are out of their mind. We are talking about thousands of miles of wall. It did not work for the chinese. It will not work for us. The great wall of trump is not needed and its a colossal waste of money. Tucker last question. Would you be willing to predict that the technological wall that the speaker is promising us instead of an actual wall would prevent a substantial number of illegal aliens from entering the country . We dont know how many but say 400,000 made it across last year. That seems to be a number people throw around. What would the number be if the drones were deployed, do you think . Or do you care . I think that a technological wall would be as effective as physical border. Tucker what is the number . Be specific if you would . I dont know. 75 of the number. Tucker ill get a calculator. I think a wall, eventually remember, tucker, most people come here illegally come through the ports of entry. Most drugs come through ports of entry. We need to work on securing those things. Im sure well work real hard. Work real hard. This is a charade. You know it is. Were out of time. Good to see you. Chris hahn. Thanks. Nice to see you. Tucker cnn told us yesterday that walls dont work. Whatever that guys name is down there. To prove it, they tried to get a reporter but when he wouldnt, they didnt want him. This is an amazing story. We have details on what cnn did after the break. If you have psoriasis, Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis differently. With otezla,75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. 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But steve cohen told his executive producer to make sure cnn realizes they wont deliver their narrative, that the wall is controversial in san diego because its not. In fact, kusi owner Mike Mccannon wellknown supporter of conservative causes later noted were continually told that the border helps prevent illegal drugs, entries from the u. S. And numbers prove it. Cnn decided not to use a kusi reporter. But then the news director saw cnn correspondent jim acosta at the border saying there is no need for a wall. Steve cohen decided to have his anchors present the kusi perspective. Watch. Cnn declined to have us on their programs which often present the wall as nonrequired in other places like the stretch of the texas border the president visited earlier today. They didnt like what they heard from us. Cnn calls this a nonstory saying, we called several local stations to book someone for a show. We didnt end up booking any of them. That happens many times every single day. Kusi says its possible cnn didnt need a reporter but given the scenario, it believes the Cable Network is being disingenuous. Tucker trace, great to see you. Thank you. We saw the story and we thought who better to talk to than chris plant, syndicated radio host with west wood one. Widely acknowledged genius and the brother of the san diego journalist you just heard about and a longtime veteran of cnn. So he joins us tonight and were happy to have him. Hey, chris. How are you . All of those things. Sounds impressive. Tucker you really are the perfect person. What are the lessons of the story . What does it tell us . That cnn lies a lot. That is the bottom line. They were looking for a local report