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them. so if you go back ten or 20 years and add it all up, its massive amounts of money that the united states has paid and stuffed up like nobody. this has gone on for decades by the way, many presidents, but no other president brings it up like i brought it up. >> many have complained about it. many have singled out germany for criticism because they are an economic powerhouse. they accuse them of funneling billions of dollars to russia even though they saw protection from the military from us. >> president trump: billions and billions of dollars are being paid to the country that is supposed to be protecting you. everyone is talking about it all over the world. well we are supposed to be protecting her from russia but why are you paying billions of dollars to russia for energy? why are the countries in nato, mainly germany, having a large percentage of the energy paid to
russia and if you look at it, germany is the capital of russia. >> despite looking at the american team, they look around and say, this is a little different. other networks were horrified, especially this place called msnbc. former nato investor nicholas burns made claims that it is or will he and for the president to say exactly what he thinks. >> it's infuriating to watch this happen. you can't imagine any american president all the way back 75 years, deciding to become the critic and chief of nato. it's orwellian. it's infuriating to see this happen, diplomatic malpractice. >> meanwhile, hours after the president's comments, the u.s. house, and president's remarks were controversial to some but, were they wrong? lou dobbs, star of the lou dobbs show, and i believe that's exactly who i'm looking at right
now from fox business. he just completed his show and therefore gets time and a half. >> you are all about dollars and cents. i know you are watching fox and friends this morning, which was primetime for the president's remarks. so tell me, or are you okay with his tone, tenor and tactics? >> i think that every american ought to be thrilled with what the president did in brussels. he talked straight to the leaders of europe and told them, it's time to start making sense, telling stoltenberg at the head of nato, you can't just b.s. your way through another summit meeting and look for a joint communiqué that says everything's fine because it isn't. 24 countries are not meeting -- excuse me, there are 23 countries that are not meeting the other 2% of gdp requirements for national defense.
they are depending on the united states. it's that straightforward. and germany is the among the worst offenders among them and is the most egregious in its trade imbalances. it has run trade surpluses, get ready for this one, 467 years. good lord. >> brian: so a couple things. number one the president is ticked off at germany in particular because they put the hubbub of this gas line right through germany and pass european nations that burned a threat from russia and they didn't seem to care. what are the explanations by the germany current secretary laws, listening. in 2002, russia was different then. they become somewhat belligerent so they are stuck with this dea deal. can you put the ratchets down and unscrew the pipeline and maybe change the tactics? and we have this thing called oil and gas, too, don't we lou? wouldn't it be reliable by us?
>> it would and a host of other countries. it would also be very helpful to foreign policy goals in that region. but the reality here is, the germans haven't lost their free will. they are following their leader. and angela merkel has decided that there is not much difference between a socialist of germany, and the communist of russia. and she and hooton, despite her rhetoric, and have a rather amicable relationship. and gerhardt schroeder is the head of the new pipeline that is bypassing the ukraine, among other countries and going straight and it directly to the heart of germany. isn't that a cozy relationship? >> so if you were vladimir putin, what you would like to see is a breakup or friction in nato. we are having our arguments in public, like we always do, at
home and overseas. >> i think he's far happier about chuck schumer and nancy pelosi who are defending and the deal with russia. and that advantage rests with hooton and the west. this is immaterial to him, the little nonsense from stoltenberg and the nato nations. trump is talking seriously about the simple nicety is prevent him from talking the truth. >> yes, $64 billion in the next
five years over their collective defense. they have talked about changing tactics, so those are positives and president trump is given credit for doing that and changing things. so, the same as president bush complaints. no one complains about seeing lou dobbs on at 8:00 on the fox news channel. lou, just please invoice me and leave it on my desk so we can have this settled. >> as you wish to come up the same place and the same address, and the same amount i suppose, but at time and a half. >> thanks so much. that was lou dobbs. president trump is getting nato allies to spend more on their own defense. if i sense that was just a bit of pie-in-the-sky that could only be meant to counter russia anyway. somehow in the democrats and the rest, doll trump is a vladimir putin agent somehow. >> it's so upsetting to see that
prudent, was number one goal is to divide the west, particularly with nato has an american president doing his work for him. >> everyone wonders why the president is so nice to the scoundrel, this this belief. one wonders about that, is it related to the russia investigation and everything else? >> he could not be doing hooton's bidding more effectively if he were an active agent of vladimir putin and the kgb. >> all right, david tolle for he is a lawyer and advisor to president barack obama's campaign. sometimes these nato summits are relatively sleepy. we have to be reminded sometimes on air on "fox & friends" in the morning cup we have to take a shot of the president walking out and shaking hand. hands. not this time. >> nato is not perfect but it's the most important alliance that we are part of. in the 70 years it has been in place not one nato member has
been invaded and that's really important. also when we were attacked on 9/11, it was nato that stepped up and helped us invoke article five. nato is so important to us and president trump is not doing the work to basically state that. he can stay productive criticisms of nato but also could acknowledge how important it is for the security framework. of those who have criticisms are right. and that helps defeat the warsaw pact. that was the soviet bloc led alliance. and that's also super important. now exactly what putin and russia want is for nato to be weak, to be broken apart. trump is in essence helping hooton do that by openly criticizing nato, by being very difficult and hard on nato,
instead of coming up with productive criticisms. >> david, you have a good point if it was over now. if this was the end of his four or eight year term, he would say president trump was negative on nato. they are getting them to spend more, they are focused on cyber terror. you know in the last year and a half, they have come up with a 30 day quick action plan on land, sea and air in order to strike back against the russian threat that didn't really exist seven or eight years ago? and the head of nato even cited donald trump is given credit for pushing this type of change. could you just also possibly sit back and say, maybe doing something a little different might get us better results? >> you are right that the head of nato gave trump some credit and trump deserve some credit. but let's take this in context. remember that the obligation to spend 2% of your gdp upon your defense came in 2014.
and most of the countries that have not yet met that are not actually in violation of that agreement. that's important to note. but trump's right to push those countries. trump should be more creative in his discussion, instead of just harping on the failure to pay the full 2%, he should talk about how each country should participate more effectively in the types of things they should be spending long. you're spending is not good enough for us. we need strategic spending, the type of spending that will help push back our enemies, the terrorists, and push back and be able worth to vladimir putin and russia. he doesn't talk about those things and a good leader would be doing that right now. >> brian: you are always love you levelheaded, coming from obama's perspective and i get that but you are always level headed. are you calling him out, because other eastern european nations are upset by it and are kind of thing, mr. president of the
united states, good job. do you understand that might be a benefit to pushing germany to actually speaking, asking for defense, and also not going to bed with russia? >> on the energy deal between germany and russia come trump's right to criticize germany. others have criticized germany for that, also and that is not new. i'm not sure that's why he brought it up in such a provocative way today. it's also important to note that jeremy doing that deal with russia does create some interdependence on the part of russia as well. russia now will need those payments from germany. so germany will have some additional leverage over russia. i would prefer that russia is getting some gas from other sources and of course, that would be better. >> david, it was great to have you on. meanwhile, colonel douglas mount mcgregor served as director of operations and center for allied europe. he served there during the 1999
kosovo campaign and he wrote that book called "margin of victory." colonel mcgregor joins us now. we have nato bases, from a military perspective, there hasn't been a invasion and nato is beginning to change its objective. who would have thought it would have been in afghanistan having a cyber unit to it? can you see the positive impact the president is making? >> president's impact is being positive from the outside. he's delivering a message that is at least two decades overdue. the europeans have been essentially and joint defense cost free from the most part, and we bring the balance of the military power and provide the command and control. without us, there is frankly no nato and he was absolutely right to talk about germany. it's not simply a question of funding in germany, germany effectively has no armed forces anymore. the forces in germany are
hopelessly demoralized. >> they said hey guys, we have a budget. no germans signed up. >> that's only part of the problem. the larger problem is that the germans think celeste don't feel obligated to defend themselves and the president simply said, look, why should the american taxpayer defend you if you are not willing to defend yourself? there is this thing called article three in the nato treaty that says each country can build adequate defenses for itself. they are not doing it. the polls are right and they have asked repeatedly for the last several years, where is the german army? because defense of europe is frankly possible frankly possible. >> brian: when the ball fell, they seemed more dedicated to nato than the old western nations, why is that? >> that's an easy question and there is an easy answer. if anyone in the world who has lived under russian app occupation including germans who live in the former territory of
east germany or the german democratic republic doesn't want to repeat the experience. these people want to be desperately aligned with us for their own interests so that they can protect themselves against what they view as an inevitable russian attempt to regain control of their countries. by the way, there is a lot of evidence to support their contention. the problem is, warfare has changed. we can't permanently station troops in poland. if we did, they would be killed in the first strike site launched in the early iris of any intervention. we can't be the first responder, and the president knows that. he wants to support them, he wants to reinforce them but he wants them to be your own first responder. >> brian: i'm getting to the rap signal through my ear. but real quick, people getting upset saying the president is nicer to vladimir putin then he is around allies, don't you think it's a matter of you expect more from her friends, family and neighbors then you do if your rivals/enemies?
>> maybe. but i think the president is looking for the opportunity to treat russia as a permanent enemy in eastern europe. so i think people should welcome that. >> brian: although they have done nothing to deserve that type of openness. they've been belligerent and provocative and meddled in our election. great to see you. let me tell you what's coming up straight ahead over the next 44 minutes. up next, the left meltdown over trump's immigration policies is continuing but are they going where voters don't want them to go? a new poll suggests that is indeed the case. i will share that with you, i promise. ♪
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>> brian: a torrent of outrage over the president's immigration policy virtually never stops. this is the worst case of child abuse, child neglect, child mistreatment that you could imagine, but it is america's government doing it. >> you could call it either incompetence or evil but i would suggest it could be both, that there is an evil desire to deter by making an example of these people. >> the pictures of the cruelty of this administration is delivered a part of this. their core supporters want anyone darker than a latte deported. >> brian: a very goal. although representatives from 140 countries have gone through the borders of the last three years, according to the active director of i.c.e. that just retired. now on the left there is growing agreement that i.c.e. should be
abolished, the legislation is moving through the house. what is the public on board? a new political poll shows only 25% of americans want ice gone. what does john summers think? after all he was communication director for former majority leader harry reid. how do you stand with someone, and hand it that's not where the majority of the leadership and the democratic party is. that's not where that a majority of the candidates and other elected officials and credit party are. i think you have some people who are doing your best to advocate their position and you believe the majority of those districts stand for. and if i made an omelette using two eggs and a slice of cheese, and decided i wanted to scramble
it, it's still going to taste the same. it's just presented differently, and that is what would happen if you abolish ice with this administration. the majority of the people on all sides of the aisle agree that we have to protect our borders but we have to do it in a way that also respects american values. >> the majority of values want immigration reform and for the majority of the time they want to go immigration to increase. there's opportunity here and oftentimes that refurbishes and rekindles imagination and fire throughout american history. but john in particular if you are a leader on that side and you have the c act 28-year-old that has a lot of charisma and she's saying abolish ice and senator kamala harris is saying abolish ice, she may not be the leader but she certainly looks presidential and charismatic. do you as a leader have to rein them in and say this is not the message for us to be successful in november?
>> it's the message they have to tell in their districts if that's what they need to say to win and not the position they truly believe in. i think it's great that we have candidates that are coming up that are speaking the truth to power and hopefully being honest with the people they want to represent. it doesn't work always for a national messaging thing that all politics are local anyway. so whenever you talk about one party or another not having a consistent message, it doesn't matter. what matters is what these people are talking about locally and they are representing issues in a way that respects the beliefs of the people they represent. >> one thing that is not given enough credit is that the i.c.e. agents make about $60,000 per year. they go outside and they are being protested against, people are found going in front of the acting director's house and protesting in front of his or her house, and how unfair is it? they are just enforcing the laws that are on the books.
>> the fact is law enforcement should get a lot more respect than they do and they all deserve a pay raise frankly. they are following the orders from the commander in chief. these are the policies that are set forward by the president of the united states and he is the one that is forcing them to go out there into these terrible things and tearing away babies from the nursing mothers and that sort of things. >> brian: they do not take babies from nursing mothers. >> absolutely. >> brian: you had me until then. you should run for office because i like your approach. john summers, thank you. i think he said thank you under his breath. 24 minutes after the hour, and up next to lisa page's refused to appear before congress today. and what about peter strzok? will he show? will he show up together? we are running out of music so i will go to the break
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and corrupt case ever. joe did joe digenova worked wie president's finest. he joins us now. she said, i just got a chance to see the paperwork at about 3:00 yesterday. i either rekindle my security clearance because i had resigned. you can't expect me to know all the stuff in just a few hours. lisa page is going to come and if she testifies she is going to lie. it's the only way she can possibly explain the text messages between her, peter strzok and the other people and the fbi. this is a pretty simple case. notwithstanding the idiotic conclusions of the inspector general, michael horowitz, who said that all of these texts, not withstanding the bias and animus that they showed for the current president of the united states, there was no evidence that bias painted any prosecutorial decisions. let me just say this, and that would tell me the inspector general was idiotic.
the bias and animus against the president of the united states and affected every single decision about the russian probe and it affected every single decision about the hillary clinton probe in her favor. >> brian: joe, do you think we got all the text? >> no i don't think we got all the texts and i think he has admitted that. and why isn't christopher wray trying to find out where those texts are? and why can't they find fbi employee text messages? what do you think, chris, do you want to wake up from her sleep? >> christopher wray used his time of the press conference to praise the fbi in general. i found his press conference totally insulting and his press conference as if he had no culpability. he should be more outraged than even you, because this is an
agency he now heads. >> ask yourself this question. why isn't he outraged? the answer is very simple. chris wray and rob rosenstein are careerists. they believe that the bureau and the department of justice people and even under barack obama could do no wrong, and if they did do wrong it's worth saving them and not having them pilloried in public because these institutions are too important. nonsense. these institutions are too important not to have the truth come out. we need all of these facts. where is chris wray? what is he doing? he's on a milk carton for heaven sakes. >> brian: went missing but not taking an active role. it will be a day in which we at least get to watch peter strzok tomorrow. inevitably he comes off smug and self-assured and looks of his lawyer along with the tough questions get tough. >> sounds like rosenstein. >> brian: all right, here we go. there are one of the men that
will be questioning tomorrow, congressman john ratcliffe. i always like safe. people with oversight have a chance to question peter strzok. so lisa page congressman thomas doesn't show up today. zig made her an offer, show up tomorrow or show up by friday. tell me about this. >> we had a lot of discussion about how to handle her failure to comply with a congressional subpoena. ultimately she will get three bites of the apple. she had one bite today, we invited her to appear with peter strzok tomorrow. if she doesn't do that, she can appear friday morning for a transcribed interview or deposition and, if she doesn't appear before our committee by 10:00 p.m. on friday then at 10:30 a.m. we will move forward with with holding her in contempt. >> it's going to be interesting, i did some early research. that looks like 20 times since 1988 that congress has issued
subpoenas that have not been satisfied and 20 times they have issued threats of contempt charges. if she does not show up this week are you guys going to follow through? >> i certainly hope so, brian. my stated intention is to do that. i think that redlines as we have seen with this president need to be enforced. it's the one tool that we have had to compel people to appear and give us the truth and allow us to conduct our congressional oversight. so i am certainly going to recommend that she be held in contempt, and if she doesn't appear -- i certainly hope she appears, but the matter would be referred and she will be prosecuted. >> brian: peter strzok went behind closed doors for us to know he's going in public. without giving up what happened over there, can you give me an idea of his approach and what we should all expect on thursday?
>> there will be a lot of drama tomorrow. he's a very important witness and everyone can see that. he's one of the few people that was at the center of all three of the highest profile investigations in recent times. the hillary clinton email letter and some of the russian investigation and the special counsel probe. it is going to be a lot of focus tomorrow, brian, on text messages. you will hear a lot of four letter words because he and lisa page used just about every four little four-letter word in the book to describe president trump. peter strzok will not say those things tomorrow, you will deny they are hateful or reflect bias and he will certainly deny that they influenced his official conduct. i was with him for 11 hours last week and i didn't find his explanations for those text messages to be believable or credible. but the good news is american people can make up their own mind tomorrow and they will be a lot at stake. >> brian: if i don't know why
robert mueller doesn't care more. why doesn't he off-ramp that investigation like nike off-ramp michael cohen? or should he be offended because once his agency headed up through two administrations and bathe the fbi look terrible. and he should be outraged. >> i agree with that completely, brian. in other than peter strzok, bob mueller and the special counsel team has more at stake than anyone with his testimony tomorrow because peter strzok was the one that, for the first nine months, gathered all the evidence and made all the investigations decisions that we came the and if he acted inappropriate, then mueller has a problem. meanwhile a liberal professor is under assault because he dared to praise judge kavanaugh. can you believe it? you've got a good record and liberty mutual won't hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake.
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>> brian: i have to tell you this story. if you have a liberal law professor, a very esteemed and he's being ripped right now for writing an op-ed about supreme court nominee brett cavanaugh. kavanaugh. he was happy after the nomination was announced and he wrote a piece titled "the liberal case for kavanaugh" and called him qualified. in response, many have been savaging him. slate called his article complete. "gq" called it something that we can't air. professor, you knew when you wrote this that you would get some blowback. did you expect something like that? >> maybe it was a little more than i expected but it comes with the territory. i love the fact that this country has a robust, uninhabited, uninhibited debate. i would love that it it was sometimes less personal but ours is a wonderful democracy.
>> why do you think someone that has been labeled a perfect judge by conservatives would do a good job on the supreme court? >> because i think that a great judge is open-minded and changes his or her mind sometimes and i think i've seen those virtues in kavanaugh. he's a scholar of the constitution and a great justice in particular because the supreme court focuses on constitutional issues and i think brett kavanaugh has studied the constitution deeply. i think he is a person of good character and he has been willing to admit that he has made mistakes in the past. an experienced person has made mistakes, and a really good judge or leader learns from those mistakes. >> brian: it so you when you use the chuck schumer declares going to be the end of roe v. wade and freedom of
expression with things like this. what do you say to this? and the justice in this case got it right. i should remind the audience that brett kavanaugh clerked for anthony kennedy. i admire them both and there are actually some similarities. justice kennedy was a staunch believer in free states, speech, whether it is of a conservative sort or citizens united or a liberal sort or the right to burn a flag. i think he was right and both of those cases and i think that brett kavanaugh is a staunch believer in freedom of expression. >> brian: even jeffrey toobin said, no one can say is not qualified. if you are going to vote no, you tell democrats on the eighth, publicly name to better candidates with whom president trump would have realistically nominated. that's what got under people's
skin. why does that work for you? >> the audience should know that i supported mayor garland, i voted for hillary clinton. the way our constitution is set up is the process in which the president nominates and the senate confirms. that's where one party controls both the presidency and the senate as a practical matter, and has given us a list of people that are strongly considered. if he picks someone else off the list, who is better, i can't think of anyone or tell why it's an inadequate list. >> it's simple, and i'm sorry you are getting this backlash but welcome to our world. thanks so much for your time. >> thank you. >> in 17 minutes before the top of the hour. nfl owners put a stop to the protest in may but now players are taking action to protect
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player. these guys don't seem to get it. they are branding themselves as unpatriotic in a sport that since pete roselle in the 1960s has branded itself as over patriotic. this is completely off-brand and off the business model that the nfl has established for itself and its players. it is bad business. if these guys want to protest, there are six other days in the week. there are 21 other hours on sunday for them to do that. when you are playing in the nfl, your goal is to make as much money as humanly possible for playing a dangerous game and then take that money and support whatever causes you believe in. this is so crystal-clear i have no idea what those guys are thinking. >> so you know right now i have no problem with what the nfl data, and that they didn't
consult with the union. 61% supported with roger goodell's league data, and i will take the other side. mostly white owners, mostly white fans, why don't you stand for the national anthem. mostly black players, they say they want to protest the what s wrong in society, why won't you listen to me? >> my father was a small businessman and the customer is always right when you go into business. so you have to please your customer base. this isn't about how a handful of players and how they feel. i will push back. i want the head of the players union to pull the 1700 nfl players. how many of them want to kneel during the national anthem and want to continue this fight? i don't think it's the majority.
and why is the union, are you out supporting what 100 or less players want as opposed to what the 15 or 1600 other players want done. they should not be a priority because there is not that many nfl players that want to see this happen. >> brian: if you are just talking hyperbole but the numbers don't lie. the average holocaust telecastt 14 million users this year. you are definitely chipping at the edges, my hope is they get together and, unified like the nba did years ago. thanks so much for staying up for us. >> thank you, brian. meanwhile, 9 minutes before we are done and tucker is back right after the break. increasingly people are having their lives are ruled by social media moms. greg gutfeld had something to say about that and i put that
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>> brian: for decades americans feared that the government would invade their privacy and destroy their lives but it turns out we didn't need the government for that thanks to the spread of smartphones and social media any moment, any day. they could find themselves targeted online by some sort of mob. greg gutfeld cohosts the got field so and he did a very good job writing this column on social media redemption. he recently joined tucker, and i taped it. >> this is what i thought came from a great headline. remember when government was big brother and big brother is us, we happily have embraced the role as our nation's hall monitors and our nations policemen, and social media triggers these two evolutionary processes. at one to stand out, and seo go
on social media to gain attention so you can get a partner, it's ingrained in your head. the other thing is the survival mechanism, group survival. if you can find somebody and eject them, like a group or sacrifice, you save yourself. this is something you are not even aware that you are doing, but we are on social media and you see someone screw up and you just join the mob. it's an evolutionary process to save yourself. i think about all these people, if you have a bad day, if you happen to have a bad day and someone gets you on tape, god help you. in my article, when i wrote that, i was thinking about, with my parents have survived back in the day on social media as parents? you didn't have a lot of stuff to entertain kids with. there were three tv channels. you had lousy roller stakes, he didn't wear helmets.
your parents were somatic, they would get really mad at their kids and spank them because he almost killed yourself. you were always worried about -- well of course. he's swat your kids in safeway now and you are in trouble. you are totally right. >> my mom would have been a meme. >> so social media, cruelty, it has degraded the society. it has made people lonely or actually, so what do you do? what is the redemption from this? >> i hate to use the word collective but it takes a collective action to decide that you are not going to be part of the mob. it's a moment -- it's a pause, when you are online and you see somebody that you don't like. it's really important that you don't like the person screwing up. let's say it's joy behar or joy reid or anyone named joy. what if you just decided not to?
what if you decided not to demand that they be fired? these may not be reciprocated, i know it won't be. tucker, if you are nice online or i'm nice online, it's not like media matters is going to do the same to us. >> if you are totally right. it begins with our self restraint. actually, will you come back on for christmas? >> i remind myself of this every time i turn on the laptop and i think, don't be a jerk. once you get online you are a lesser version of you, never a better version. >> that is very smart. greg gutfeld, thank you for that. >> greg does not have to wait for christmas, greg will be back tomorrow with dana perino in this week's final exam. you never get that type of talent. dena is very talented but greg is obviously not. that's it for us tonight. i have good news for you, tomorrow you can see me in a

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