you got it. because it's happening in chicago right now. foreign citizens will be electing our political leaders. chicago -- came on the show last night and tried to tell us it was our imagination. none of this is happening. illegal immigrants, he said, can't vote because in illinois you have to prove you are a citizen in order to register to vote. watch him tell you that. >> in order for someone to register to vote, they would have to sign an affidavit and present a birth certificate, a passport, a social security card and potentially you still need a second form of i.d. >> tucker: you are saying in order to register to vote in the state ofism know, you need to produce evidence of citizenship; is that your claim? >> yes, it is. >> tucker: so we rarely play tape of people who have been on the show when they're not here to respond because it seems like bad sportsmanship you ought to be able to respond directly to a claim against you but replaying that because it's so perfectly crystallizes the dishonesty in our public conversation on the subject. you just heard an elected official look right into the cam rand tell you a lie. not once but three times. that's not true what he said. do you not need proof of citizenship to register to vote in the state of illinois. we checked. everyone who lives there knows this. you just need proof of andreas and an i.d., exactly like the one the city of chicago is giving away to illegal immigrants. he is encouraging them to take. informed people who say anything other than that are lying and they are lying because they wants illegal aliens to vote but they don't want you to know about it or complain. that is called fraud. meanwhile, in oakland, california, maybe mayor libby schaaf has taken the side of illegal aliens over american citizens. maybe to her credit she is doing it right out in the open. she is trying to sabotage federal immigration enforcement. she issued a public warning to illegal immigrants in oakland last weekend. she told them of an impending ice raid so they could go into hiding and avoid federal agents. like telling bank robbers the cops are on the way. who is she protecting by doing that? we have brand new numbers on that question. according to information supplied to this program by ice, 864 illegal aliens, criminal aliens and public safety threats remain at large in oakland. these are exactly the people, the mayor is warning before the authorities get there we will give you a couple examples. one is a honduran citizen arrested multiple times for cocaine trafficking and having sex with minor. another from mexico arrested and convicted for carrying a loaded gun, for dui, gun smuggling. both of thieves guys have been deported from the u.s. multiple times. they have come back every time. they have been allowed to do that because democratic politicians want them to stay here because, you know the answer. each one of these people, no matter how revolting is a potential vote for them. that's the bottom line. across the country, democrats have given up on middle class. they are not trying to fix your problems. they don't care. they don't share your concerns. they are not pretending to. they are the party of foreign voters now. many of them illegal. democrats argue from the house floor that immigration law, the law they passed by their body, the law making body, those laws should be ignored or nullified. anyone who disagrees are shouted down with slurs. it happens on this show all the time. keeps has a proof of citizenship for voter registration. who wouldn't support that? noncitizens are not allowed to vote for federal office. period, it's federal law. the aclu is suing. do you think they will sue the mayor of oakland for siding for ms-13 over american citizens? don't hold your breath. kris kobach the secretary of state of kansas and he joins us tonight. mr. kobach, thanks for come on. >> great to be with you tucker. >> tucker: i just want to be totally clear on this and, again, i hate because i really think people ought to have a chance to respond to what you say about them. i'm sorry the alderman ♪er who. we had a long conversation with him last night and he told us three times i'm expert on electoral law in the state of illinois. you have to prove you are a citizen of the country to in order to register to vote. is that true? >> that is false. anyone who studies this issue knows there are only four states where the laws require to you provide proof of citizenship when you register to vote. those states are kansas, arizona, alabama, and georgia. and of those four, only kansas and arizona have fully implemented the law. the other two states are in the process of starting to implement the law. >> tucker: just to be clear, what you do need in every state is a government i.d., universally government i.d. hard for illegal aliens to get because they're not supposed to be here. >> yes. >> tucker: governor gives them i.d. sufficient for voter registration how are they not abetting voter fraud. >> it is absolutely abetting voter fraud. the amazing thing is of course in the other 46 states, you don't need to provide proof of citizenship. all you need to do is check a box that says i am a u.s. citizen. and we have found hundreds of cases all over the country, we have had expert witnesses look at kansas and it could be as high as 18,000 aliens on our voter roles in other states it's probably in the six figures or more. but the point is people are doing this all the time. sometimes intentionally, sometimes the noncitizens are doing it unintentionally. they can't even read what it is they have just signed. or they didn't pay attention to it. and then they start getting mail from the candidate saying, hey, you are a registered voter. don't forget to vote for me on august 7th or whatever the date is they are registering and they are voting. >> tucker: why wouldn't that make a difference in elections? clearly the democratic party is abetting. this doing this on purpose. printing ids on public expense giving them to illegals and letting them register to vote. why? not electoral strategy? it looks like that. >> it certainly looks that way. it does seem that many in the democratic party hopefully not all, seem to think that it's okay if aliens vote and yeah, maybe, they shouldn't be but, heck it, helps the democratic party anyway. some of them have talked like that. i think it's appalling. look, only americans are allowed to vote in these elections. you win or lose by persuading americans that your policies are right. the idea that we would try to replace or outweigh american voters by bringing in foreign voters is outrageous. >> tucker: that's the foreign influence scandal. you are in the middle of a lawsuit over something related to this. >> yeah. yeah. so the aclu has kind of declared war on election security laws like ours in kansas. and this war is something that is outrageous. they are making ridiculous arguments like it's unconstitutional burden for you to reach into your file cabinet at home to find your birth certificate or claiming that the national voter law of 1993 somehow created a special privilege if you get your license at dmv you don't have to prove citizenship even though the law doesn't say that crazy arguments but we are fighting them in court next week. >> tucker: i hope it's clear to our audience what the point of this is because it is clear. mr. secretary, thanks for coming on. we appreciate it? >> my pleasure. >> tucker: acting ice director thomas homan spoke frankly what oakland mayor libby schaaf did when she warned of the impending raids in our i is it, watch. >> what she did no better than a gang lookout yelling police when a police cruiser comes in a neighborhood except she did it to the entire community. it's beyond the pale. i have been doing this for 34 years. and this is a whole new low to intentionally warn criminals that law enforcement is coming. >> tucker: professor of boat law school at u.s. berkeley and deputy assistant attorney general under president bush and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. i think it's allowed. my understanding states do not have the obligation to enforce federal law. but are they allowed to subvert it? >> no. and i think the constitution and the supreme court are quite clear. immigration law is the sole preserve of the federal government and so the federal government has the right to enforce its laws. the federal government can't commandeer or compel state officers to help them but state officers cannot impede or obstruct federal law. we had a civil war about this. this is what the civil war was really about, was whether state officials could block national federal laws. >> tucker: so i mean, not to draw too fine a point on it, you often hear the left say this is a fascist administration. if it's such a fascist administration, why aren't they doing anything about this at all? >> first of all, it's not fascist to want to obey the federal laws. >> tucker: exactly. >> passed by the people we elected in congress. that's the way the system works. state mayors and state governors oppose the trump administration's immigration priorities, then our constitution sets up a system you go and elect new members of congress and they change the law. >> tucker: exactly. thank you for that so, what about it's pretty clear that some the state of california, the city of chicago are making it easier for people here illegally to vote in our elections, which is a crime, federal election. i mean, why doesn't the u.s. government do something about that? >> well, i think -- take the situation mentioned here in oakland. you also have the situation with rahm emanuel in chicago. have you mayors who are encouraging the subversion of federal law. they are coming very close to committing obstruction of justice. obstruction of justice is corruptly impeding or obstructing federal officers who are trying to carry out their legal duty. so if the mayor, for example, if mayors are trying to get people to vote who aren't supposed to vote or as in oak land if you have a mayor who is trying to warn people that federal officers are coming to carry out federal law, i think you are coming very close if not stepping over the line to be odestruction of justice. >> tucker: it sure seems that way. i hope others in washington agree with you. thank you for that context. i appreciate it? >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: we have a fox news alert. white house communications director and trump confidante, perhaps his closest aid hope hicks is leaving the administration. she announced it this afternoon. chief national correspondent ed henry has been on it since it happened he joins us now. hi, ed. >> tucker, good to see you we just learned in the last few moments after this story broke late this afternoon hope hicks was seen crying as were some other communications staffers here in the west wing of the white house. what that tells us is she has been somebody very popular around here, particularly with the president but also with top aides and that this was very unexpected and sudden, in fact, she is someone, hicks, only 29 years old and yet became very effective around here ininfluential. the president's longest serving aide getting high marks for helping shepherd the tax cut messaging late last year. exit statement focuses on how there were in her words there is no way to adequately express her gratitude to the president. the president also put out a written statement that was glowing and praising her three years here at his side. dating back, of course, to the campaign but, remember, hicks received negative publicity when her boyfriend at the time, white house aide rob porter left after accusations he had abused two exwives then yesterday hicks went behind closed doors for about nine hours testifying before the house intel committee about russia and took heat today after it was revealed she told lawmakers she had told white lies for the president. nonetheless top advisors tell me this exit has nothing to do with yesterday's testimony that hicks had signaled in recent weeks she was already planning to step down. also senior advisor to the president telling me that the real story behind the scenes is chief of staff john kelly is trying to consolidate power. even though kelly did put out a statement declaring that hicks, quote, halls serve her country with great distinction. this comes amid allegations kelly may trying to ease out jared kushner, senior advisor and president'sson about series of leaks about security clearance troubles. bloomberg has a breaking news story tonight that says more than 30 white house staffers have been stripped of their top secret clearances. that's a story that's not going away, tucker. >> tucker: no it's not. ed henry, thank you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: as if there wasn't enough news, more breaking news about the police response to the high school shooting in florida. new exclusive information just coming in to fox we are going to tell you in just a minute when we come back. is google working with a left wing group to decide what you can see online? 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>> tucker new tonight there are some heavy allegations against the commanding officer running the scene the day of the shooting at stoneman douglass high school. multiple law enforcement commanding officer prematurely gave responding officers to stage and form a perimeter outside during critical moments after the shootings when they say all deputies should have been running towards the school to neutralize the shooter. one law enforcement source says the alleged command goes against all training to go, go, go towards the shooter. another law enforcement officer said the alleged bad commands could have been detrimental to victims. every second is another life. we spoke with multiple sources and law enforcement at the city and county level who say they heard the scene that day was chaotic. the broward county sheriff's office active shooter policy indicates the first priority for responding deputies is to enter the structure to preserve life. staging and a perimeter apparently not listed as a priority. all the sources' allegations seem to be backed up by a copy of the dispatch call log from the shooting that day obtained by fox news which appears to indicate several commands for deputies to stage or form a perimeter when calls were still going across the radio that the shooter's i.d. and whereabouts were not known. what a source calls still a very active situation. however, at least two law enforcement sources we spoke to say the state's investigation into the time line that day will reveal if the calls for deputies to stage outside was the right call because staging eventually has to happen at every scene. each emergency situation is unique. the commander that day may have known something the rest of the crews did not. we asked the broward county sheriff's office for comment. we also asked the florida department of law enforcement, which is investigating the sheriff's office for comment and each said that this is an active investigation, that they cannot comment on it and they will eventually reveal their time line. tucker? >> tucker: matt finn, thanks a lot for that. pretty remarkable. well, a story just published on buzzfeed concedes something that just last week was considered hate speech on cnn. it's this. stoneman douglass high school students pushing for gun control are in fact getting a ton of help from professional antigun organizations. buzzfeed story lobby groups like every town for gun safety. move on, women's march l.a. and somehow planned parenthood have been showering the student activists with resources and assistance. now, obviously, they are within their rights to do that and we don't doubt the sincerity of anyone involved. we generally think people believe what they say they believe. we take them at face value. that doesn't mean the rest of you was can't say what we believe. especially when it's obviously true. for example, of course these kids, fresh from the most traumatic event of their lives were likely getting helped for some very ideological adults swept into town to make the best possible political use of the moment that was immediately clear to nibble who has ever been around politics. obviously. sheriff david clarke and a number of other people basically said that and they were immediately savaged by our moronic pundit class as immoral ghouls who shouldn't be allowed in the public conversation. it looks like sheriff clarke and the rest were pretty much right is anyone going to issue a correction on that? he would waiting for it well, google is policing the content posted to youtube and they are using thoroughly discredited left wing group to do that. google is creating a group of trusted flaggers who will help the company monitor alleged extreme isles content on the webb sight. one of those trusted flaggers is not trusted at all. it's the southern poverty law cente. it's not expert on the south or poverty or law. john stossel amazing truth about this group. here is a part of it? >> the southern poverty law center based in that building in alabama calls itself the premier group monitoring hate groups. looking at their map of such groups, you would think america was consumed by hate. i once believed in the center's mission. well-meaning people still do. apple just gave them a million dollars. but what donors don't know is that today the center smears people who don't deserve to be smeared. the southern poverty law center now lists people like ben carson, laura ingraham and jeanne pirro as extremists. but it doesn't list antifa, the hate group that beats up people on the right. [screams] >> center has become a hate group itself. it's now a left wing money grabbing slander machine. >> tucker: it's a hate group. it is a hate group, too. let's be honest about that. shiver is a tech entrepreneur. he joins us tonight. you follow this stuff closely. how did the southern poverty law center wholly discredited and wholly political wind up releasing content on the most powerful company in the world. how did that happen? >> it's hard to understand. i think what's going on, tucker, is that these -- you know, youtube in essence was trying to be inclusive in their mind and really trying to have an optical perspective that they were going and doing everything they could. because they were taking a lot of heat from people saying they weren't doing enough to stop isis and extremist groups. >> tucker: right. >> that's what led to this. it shifts too far. i can't imagine how they can have this group and really in my opinion, more should be done and a lot more. >> tucker: so, i mean, for people watching at home, who think that southern poverty law center sounds like a legitimate group, give us an example of the people or movements or web sites they have deemed out, you know, beyond the pale, hater, extremists, who have they called that. >> laura ingraham. ben carson. so have you got conservative figures that they are labeling and i think it's gone too far. it really, in my opinion, youtube should fire southern poverty immediately from all youtube monitoring because it's an outrage. i mean, to have the possibility of an anti-conservative hitting delete for partisan reasons or on any content that's relevant patriotic americans. and i think google really needs to be and youtube be transparent. i mean, moving forward. to monitor content and have a no policy related to anyone that has any political affiliation or any reputation for being partisan. and i think, also, there really needs to be an apology to patriotic americans that use youtube for this gross oversight and unfair process that's really done not with any kind of disclosure. in the choice of using southern poverty to the monitoring of content. it just doesn't make sense. frankly, it opens up a bunch of things. i mean, when they are doing. >> tucker: yeah, it does. >> doing it to conservatives, who else are they doing it too. >> tucker: we don't know. totally opaque. whatever happened to saying what you think is true even if people don't like that. i guess that's passe. eric, thank you. it's great to see you tonight. >> thank you, tucker. my pleasure. >> tucker: well, a suspect accused of hacking computers in congress, perhaps taking classified information was caught trying to flee the country and the fbi let her go. that happened. why? that story is next. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm bob harper, and i recently had a heart attack. it changed my life. but i'm a survivor. after my heart attack, my doctor prescribed brilinta. it's for people who have been hospitalized for a heart attack. brilinta 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the daily caller news foundation. similar fame to a website i once started and owned shares in but no longer run. there is disclosure. he joins us tonight. >> hey, tucker. >> tucker: boil this down for us, why is this is a big deal. >> this is a pattern we have seen time and time again. the fbi and doj have evidence of crimes cases involving the democrats and politically connected and no charges. it's stuff everyone knows if the average joe were to do this stuff they are going right to jail. >> tucker: what are the charges. >> house inspector general found these guyed made unauthorred access to data. funneling data off the house network. covering their tracks. the house tried to block them. they found ways aren't it. this is malicious intent. this is hacking. this is cyber infiltration. and so the house inspector general spent six months putting together this report. whole team of government investigators. and they conclude that they are doing all these things. so, put yourself in the context of it before the election and the dnc we're dealing with the hack of that and these government investigators brings this investigation to the fbi on a silver platter. and basically says these guys infiltrated congress. >> tucker: they worked for 2kwu89s at thdebbie wasserman st the time. >> they were accessing data they had no business accessing and taking data off the network and doing a bunch of other scary things. >> tucker: there s. there a chance they will be charged or are they not being charged. >> that's the question here. happened before the elections. what does the fbi do put literally a first year agent on the case. we are talking this is the same pattern of the dnc hack. we have got potential foreign meddling but we have a cyber breech. they put a jean your guy on the case. he watches them and basically the ig report pinpoints this particular server on the house as ground zero of the hack. that server is stolen from out underneath the nose of the fbi. and the fbi still doesn't make an arrest. they surveil this guy. they watch him move hundreds of thousands of dollars into pakistan. they follow his wife to the airport. watch her board the plane and basically wave goodbye. they will be in court next thursday. they have tried to be vague about this whole thing. the fact is i have seen the ig report. the doj and fbi has the ig report. if you have seen that ig report, you cannot conclude anything other than that these guys infiltrated congress and made unauthorized access to data. it's the kind of thing where criminal charges, no way around it. >> tucker: you might almost say they hacked our democracy. utter only one who is saying that. luke, thank you for saying that. >> thank you. >> tucker: i think it's a big story. 2016 barack obama and hillary clinton said it was impossible to hack american elections. today she accused president trump of surrender to russia with whom she apparently thinks we are at war for not doing more to stop russian interference. former hillary clinton advisor, you worked with her at state and other places. evidence joins us tonight. so, fleet, what exactly specifically should trump be doing with the russians. >> let's forget about 2016. let's assume he won 50 states, 535-0. she came out of the voting booth and said you know he is so great i voted for him. nothing happened in 2016. let's let's assume for a moment that donald trump cia director. his director of national intelligence and his director of the nsa testified before congress and told him presumably that north korea was attempting and planning on disrupting our elections in 2018 as a precursor to 2020 and they were doing so with the intent of disrupting the incumbents and they might hurt house members who are incumbents, what conversation would we be having then? >> tucker: here -- look, i have been here most of my life. i don't care what a lot of people in washington say because they are dishonest and stupid. you really telling me that russia which has a contracting economy and population and position on the world stage a single military base outside of its own borders is a graver threat to the united states than china? >> first off, i don't think it's whack-a-mole. they can be significant. >> tucker: we are sucking up to china. our business sector, entertainment sector political sector all cow kowtow to china. we are existential threat from the country is russia. the facts don't show that it's insane actually. >> the intelligence show and it's intelligence presented by donald trump's appointees. republican appointees. that they are going to interfere with our 2018 election. >> tucker: how exactly are they going to do that. >> they have done it a number of ways. we learned they got into the registration roles of seven states prior to election day. how did they get into sony? the north koreans got into sony. >> tucker: serious question. >> you and i can't talk about how someone does or doesn't hack anything. >> tucker: hold on, democrats. >> after talking about two people took on the dnc. >> tucker: china is the primary offender we never mentioned that. democrats have pushed for years online voting. they think it lynn crease their share of the turnout. it makes it easy because their voters don't like to get out of bed and go to the polls. >> i'm nodding but i don't agree with you. >> tucker: how can they still be pushing for online voting if we hacking threat. >> i don't think it's as simple as online voting. >> tucker: that's not more vulnerable than paper ballots. >> who is threat china. even if it's hard and going to fail who is in charge. >> tucker: you would think captains of industry. silicon valley, our military. >> who is no charge of fighting opioids. kellyanne conway. >> tucker: okay. >> why wouldn't there be a white house coordinator. >> tucker: what would he do. >> or she. >> tucker: she being prodly accepted pronoun could can stand for either one. >> mike pence for amendment movement he would take a whole government approach. specifically, you hit a good point which is that this also involves the private sector. this involves facebook. >> tucker: i'm just saying. >> he could bring people together and share best practices. >> tucker: first thing you would do is say no electronic voting it's vulnerable to foreign hacking. democrats are pushing electronic. yes, you would. >> i have a better source than you. i wouldn't. >> tucker: i have better sources and common sense which trumps all which tells you that any system in which electronic transfers between two points is vulnerable to hacking. >> all voter rolls are electronic all right. >> tucker: volgt voting itself in states with paper ballots is safer than those electronic voting. democrats are pushing for electronic voting even though russia is hacking the election. how can that be. >> talking about different things. >> tucker: are democratic vulnerabilities. >> that argues for the next 100 years to use paper. >> tucker: yes. as long as we face. >> ensure our voting systems are -- hacking. >> tucker: i gave you a specific thing to harden our democracy and you laugh because it might hurt democrats. >> i didn't laugh it's the first thing i wanted to do. [laughter] >> tucker: it's the obvious thing. >> let's use the word screwing around or interfering. >> tucker: hit me with it. >> if it's interfering, let's say they can't do it. let's say they are bad at it forget about 2016. have you the people over here nothing burger camp and people over here double whopper with cheese camp. what should would he be doing that we are not? it seems like toot people protecting us do not do enough. steve: i think every democrat in congress every republican to suspend all electronic voting until we can be sure the russians can't hack it. that way we can have total confidence. >> why do we bank? go back to the fax machine. >> tucker: have to worry about russia all of a sudden. i love. this i'm the one worried. you do the russia the china bowl over here. great to see you. >> always fun. >> tucker: student at wake forest says he is being harassed for political views. harassment is not allowed on campus. wait, administrators don't even care. that student joins us next. ♪ ♪ ♪ [screaming & crying] ♪ [screaming & crying] [phone ping] with esurance photo claims, you could have money for repairs within a day... wow! that was really fast. huh. ...so it doesn't have to hurt for long. hmm. that's insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. ♪ ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. but you get to keep the memories. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. 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>> thanks for having me on, tucker. >> tucker: thanks. >> back before the 2016 election we had a panel talk that was hosted by the college republican vote and publication on our campus before during and after this event there were messages about me on social media and in group chats and that were kind of trying to intimidate me and then after the event i was handed a box of saltine crackers and in a group chat during the event a student photo shopped my face onto the cracker. our school has fairly strict verbal abuse, harassment. >> tucker: by the way, just to clarify i assume that's a slur against your ethnicity, correct. >> yes. that's how it was intended. absolutely. we have pretty strict rules about harassment at our school which, you know, clearly don't abide by the first amendment. but, we are trying to hold all students to the same standard. i reported the conduct. actually at the behest of one of my professors who used to be an msnbc host. melissa harris perry. and so i sent in these reports. and the university basically after several leaks gave me these options i asked do press charges. open a school judicial case against the students who handed me a box of crackers and photo shopped my face onto the box of crackers. -- frank person that president trump's election somehow justified their behavior even though the incident happened before election day. and that if i brought a judicial case it would make things worse for me. we were heading into finals week and at the end of the semester i wanted this to be over so he would say -- >> tucker: dean goldstein said, i want to make sure i'm not mischaracterizing this the president's election somehow justified this attack on you? >> yeah, he doesn't say things in short sentences like that. what i took away from that part of the conversation was that he was trying to justify their behavior because it was a response to the election of president trump. >> tucker: i mean, that's -- i don't even know what to say. >> it doesn't make any sense. >> tucker: no, it doesn't. and i assume that -- if you had been a different kind of person, this would have been swiftly punished, i assume, right? >> right, exactly. we had a racial slur incident just a few weeks ago and let me be clear. i'm not equating what was said by this girl said about me. but that student was asked to leave our school about two days later. this took several weeks and they wouldn't ivan open a judicial case about harassment. even just kind of leaving the race part out of it. >> tucker: dean goldstein didn't say in that case barack obama was elected president nine years ago. understandable that people might do that. that wasn't the excuse he gave in that case i assume, right? >> oh, no. yeah. this incident just happened a few weeks ago here. but, yeah, no. it makes no sense. i told him in that meeting that, you know, individuals have to be held accountable for their individual actions under the rules we have at the school. and you know, if i had it my way, we would just abide by the first amendment and we wouldn't have all these rules. >> tucker: i get it. >> if we are going to have these strict rules and biased reporting system, then everybody needs to be held account being the exact same way. >> tucker: ryan, i really appreciate how brave you are to come on and how clearly you expressed that and in a way you are a credit to wake forrest because you are impressive the school is obviously not living up to its own standards. thanks for telling us about it i appreciate it. >> yeah. thanks for having me on. >> tucker: students as young as 5 years old in delaware may soon be able to say they're changing their delaware, their race without even letting their parents know. can the school protect them against their parents? 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>> well, tucker, the regulation doesn't encourage children to make any decision. it simply allows them to identify their gender or their race for school records purposes. the school is permitted under the regulation to seek the permission of parents before they make that change and it suggests also that if the school decides to seek the perms of the parents that they consider health, safety, and well being of the child before they do that. reality, tucker. >> tucker: the school is not the parents. the teacher didn't give birth to the child. haven't raised the child. how can teachers not justify telling parents. why aren't they required to tell parents immediately? >> sure, tucker. the simple fact is that some parents are simply not going to be supportive of their child and may endanger the child's safety or well-being to involve that parent in that -- >> tucker: who makes that decision? >> the school would make the decision but i think what's missing here is that what's miss something outrage. the school has no right to take away parental decision-making from parents. the children do not belong to school administrators. they are members of the family from which they came. how dare a school take that prerogative away from parents. where did they get the right to do that. >> tucker, they are not taking the prerogative away from parents. >> tucker: obviously they are. >> first of all, it's only in rare circumstances that a school would come to a determination that involving the parent is going to endanger the safety and well being of the child. >> tucker: who has the right to decide that and where does that right come from? where does the school administrator have the right to override parental judgment in the case of a child? >> it's not about overriding parental judgment. >> tucker: of course it is. >> no. it's about protecting the safety and well-being on that child. >> tucker: says who on the basis of what? hold on, i'm a parent, stop. i'm a parent of four. can i tell you the most sack sang right you have as a parent is to influence the development of your child in order to violate that right you need a court order. but you are saying that a school official can just decide it's not in the child's interest and i'm asking you where you get the right to violate my lynn i can't of sacred tradition and make that case in the place of a parent. where does that right come from. >> tucker, the child has a right to dignity and respect in school. and they shouldn't have to choose between that dignity and respect and being unsafe at home. being subject to potential physical violence, mental anguish. >> tucker: but somebody has to make the decision about -- hold on, somebody has to make the decision, there is a subjective decision to be made about what's best for the child. that decision is always made by parents unless a court determines that the parents are unable to make the right decision it take as court to do that. >> no, tucker. >> tucker: yes, yes. >> we send children to schools and administrators and teachers make those decisions every day. >> tucker: about what race and sex the child is? are you joking? this has never been tried in any place in the world and for you to pretend it's no big deal and that nobody's rights are getting violated, yes, they are, parental rights are being ignored because of politically extremists, i hate to put new that category who think their views are more important than the rights of parents. and i think we should at least acknowledge that. >> this regulation is similar to policies that have been implemented across the country in oregon and washington and massachusetts. >> tucker: going back like about six months. this has never happened in human history. we didn't used to believe three years ago that you could change your sex or your race. so this is all brand new. so at least pay me the compliment of acknowledging this is brand new. this has never been tried. >> this is not brand new. tucker, it's not brand new. >> tucker: changings your race is an old ching? how far back does that extend? tell me history, is that in british common law? what you are talking about. >> it's not that changing your race. it's identifying your race. >> tucker: we're not having a biology conversation that's another segment. i'm telling you as a factual matter no society has ever done that until very, very recently. it's never happened. >> tucker,. >> tucker: at least acknowledge. >> it's happening in school districts and it's being implemented seemlessly across school districts across the country. >> tucker: the rights of their parents over their own child being violated because of activists. i'm going to stand up and say it i'm not afraid of you. parents are losing the rights in this over their own children. that's something we need to think about. >> tucker, i think we are on the same page that parental involvement is very important. it's only in very rare circumstances. >> tucker: who makes that decision? and where do they get the right to make that decision? i don't know if you have children but can i just say i don't like the way you are parenting i think it's in the child's interest to not let you know about a profound life decision that kid is making. i don't think you would like that. i think you need a court order to do that. >> this does not prohibit communication between the parent and the child. >> tucker: the school hides this from the parent. they -- they are not their children. those children do not belong to the school. they belong to the family from which they came. i just wish you would acknowledge that and we could move from there but you won't and you try to bully people into going along with it and i won't be. >> there are plenty of circumstances, tucker, where school counselors or other people conversation. >> tucker: it's not their child. a school counselor doesn't get to decide. we have to stop there. mark, thank you for coming on. there is much more. we'll be right back. ♪ applebee's handcrafted burgers. any burger just $7.99. now that's eatin good in the neighborhood. 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