People who feel threatened by cimmigrants and they are using this concept of unconstitutional he c might do away with daca, another moral line that he will be crossing, which is something that would be advancing White Supremacy agenda and also against what the majority of americans want. Tucker this isnt just demagoguery, though it is that. Its also nonsense, whatever you think of the effects of daca, no administration could continue it because its illegal. U. S. Immigration laws are pretty straightforward. If you are in the country illegally you were supposed to leave. If you think thats mean or counterproductive or unfair take it up with your legislators. Only congress can change the law. Ai w the president is bound to faithfully enforce the laws of the United States. He, or any president , can simply invalidate those he doesnt like. Former cabinet secretary gutierrez doesnt think this is a meaningful distinction but if you want to live in a constitutional democracy where laws are more powerful than men, nothing is more important than that. To ouror leaders there is indeed something more important than that. At political power. They have concluded that Mass Immigration means new and reliable voters and that means more power for them. If they need to support the rule of law to get that power they will and they have. In states across the county politicians actively boast about ignoring the law. They unilaterally declare their city, federal statutes invalid in their city, they part agents from buildings. They give drivers licenses and tuition to people who are here illegally. They refused to process immigrants for crimes that haveo nothing to do with immigration, in effect giving preference to illegals over their own citizens. G congress is a little better, they look away at the laws they pass. Obama decided to take this reasoning to his national end point. Openly ignore the law by creating daca. Like almost everything you hear from washington that was mostly propaganda. People came here illegally at 15 were just as eligible for amnesty as those who arrived as infants. Daca were not supposed to receive benefits, remember that . In new york daca qualify for both medicaid and cash assistance. This isnt simple about daca. It was indefensible, but it was one manifestation of an ominous. The global elite has given up on the concept for more than two millennia. Borders, citizenship and the rule of written law itself, all abandoned in favor of the worldwide rule of unaccountable technocrats. Just today from a Washington Post reporter and proud illegal alien jose antonio vargas, posted a picture of his fake Social Security card on twitter. They are not pretending anymore. Watch this. [indistinct] we need to make it clear that immigrants and immigration are here to stay. You are about to graduate into a complex and borderless world. Secretary clinton said this, my dream is a hemispheric Common Market with open borders sometime in the future. Is that her dream . Is that what she wants, open borders, and open market . Im glad you ask it that way because i dont think we can dignify documents dumped by wikileaks. Thats fair. Is this document accurate, did she tell brazilian bankers i have no way of knowing that. You could ask o her. Tucker she did, in fact. By the way, nobody was talking like this ten years ago, at least in public. This is all happening pretty fast so it might be worth pausing to think through thehe consequences of these new attitudes. Borders, laws, citizenship, they are big things to give up, especially when they are done by executive fiat without giving a vote to the masses who actually deal with the actual consequences of these changes. When you refuse toto control yor borders you are saying the country doesnt belong to its people. But to the whole world. You give away citizenship to anyone who wants it you are saying citizenship isnt worth anything. W is that really our position now . Congressman Henry Cuellar is it congressman from texas. Thank you so much, its been a good time talking to you. Tucker the United States should always allow minor Illegal Immigrants to stay in the country . And to get amnesty and citizenship for they should be deported under certain circumstances, what are the rules you are pushing for here . First of all i dont believe in open borders, i thinke county has the responsibility to enforce its laws. No ifs or buts about it. Number two, the question we had before is when we talk about dreamers, are we talking about we have a problem with the implementation of this, should it be executive, congress, or do we have a basic issue with the Public Policy . In this case were not talking about criminals, were talking about kids, the average age of them the age of six. We educated them, so what do we do with those individuals, do we use prosecutorial discretion . We have to look at whats in the best interest of the country. Tucker its an tough question, nobody is saying is not a tough question and thats why we are having this conversation, but by acting, or by explaining your position you are setting a rule that people can look back and say theres the rule. So what is the rule . People will continue to come here underage, brought here by their parents for a long time to come. H what should we do with him . Should we always let them stay if they are under 16 . What you think we should do . First of all, again we start off with the basic premise, every country has to enforce the laws at the border. Second of all tucker if we are going to enforce our laws we say you have to leave, leave now. That would be enforcing our laws, but we are not doing that. Then we look at the circumstances. We have an individual that violated the law, the parents get that. Are we going to punish the kids because of the sins of the parents that they committed 20 years ago . We educated those kids, we spent millions of dollars. Tucker i get it by the way im not minimizing what youre saying because i think these are real problems and they are. But imd wondering Going Forward is this going to happen a lot, every year for decades, anybody who makes it across the border the children in tow by standards you arer articulating gets to stay, is that what youre saying. If thats not what youre saying then under what circumstances are we willing to say leave . Kids have been here, some of them for 20 years or longer. When it comes into those newly recent individuals, i think we have ice working on that to make sure that we enforce the laws of those recent immigrants that have come in. If somebody has been here 20 years or so, they got here, theyve been educated, we spent money on getting them educated, going to college, some of the military members of our military, some of them are teachers, what are we supposed to do, just go ahead and throw them out . Tucker heres what we should do, is be clear with the rest of the world what our rules are because otherwise daca did in 2014, a ton of families from central america. What are we telling the rest of the world, that as longen as you hide successfully from ice for 20 years you can stay . Whats the time limit . How long do you need to evade the law before we give you citizenship . What is the rule, i think its fair to ask what the rule is. Exactly. Theres been this prosecutorial discretion that both democratic and republican administrations have used for many years. Lets go back to what happened two years ago, three years ago. We were enforcing the laws and in fact i was one of the ones that thought we ought to make sure that we apply the same rules toh everybody like we apply it to the canadians and the mexicans, they come in, we treat them a particular way,ex everybody else gets treated very differently. I feel that we ought to enforce the law. We do have some people here that have been here for a while. Whats in the best interest of the country, do we just go ahead and kick out individuals that have been here for 20 years w tt were here tucker with respect to or not answering i dont think what youre saying is crazy but youre not answer my question. You said three times im for enforcing the laws but then youre not four enforcing the laws, you are for making exceptions to the laws. Again, with all respect, i am. We start with the bases, we enforce the laws that we have. We look at circumstances, we look at prosecutorial enforcement tucker how many years do you have to stay here . How many years to have to stay here before we kick you out . . Again this is something that i think congress will have to debate and this is why i feel that congress we are going to be debating this. Tucker you are in congress, what a do you think te time limit should be . This is again something that we will be looking at andti i think we ought to be looking at this. The same thing tucker you dont have an opinion on it . If i ask you, should you be responsible for the sins of her parents that they committed 20 years ago . This is something that we all need to have ame healthy debate and we are going to in congress. Tucker lets not be demagogic about this. You are a lawmaker. Im just asking at what point do we stop enforcing the law . How long does the person have to evade getting caught you are not going to answer the question. You made a comment, let me finish. Tucker okay. Nobody is trying to demagogue the issue. Im trying to give you what we need tove do. We start out with a basic premise, we will enforce the laws. We agree on that. Tucker thats the premise youre starting with. Ta thats the basic premise. We enforce the laws. The question is what we do about the special circumstances. When you look at the law, do we have an issue tucker you are spinning. Do ive asked you the same question four times, which is at what point do we decide we are not going to enforce these laws . You wont answer the question. You keep asking the same question. Tucker im getting frustrated because you are debating the question. You keep asking the same question i will giveed you the same answer. Tucker whats the standard . The rest of the world wants to know how do i get past the laws of the United States. If i stay there longt enough tn the laws are waves and i get government benefits, my kids get state tuition, i get amnesty and become a citizen. Whats the standard, how long do you have to stay here . 26,000 people unemployed in the 28th district state of texas, its pretty high. Why would you want a single job in your district to go to someone here illegally, one of the socalled dreamers before it went to an american citizen . I dont understand that. Its very simple, the same demagoguery that you are now talking about. We give the chaps of the americans and any american that doesnt want the job, we will give it to somebody that wants to do the job. These people have been here for many years, a lot of them didnt even know. Tucker youma got 8 unemployment. You think what none of those people want the job . Its a lot lower than that. Its actually a lot lower than that. Its a lot lower than that. Tucker i just read that about 4 minutes ago. You put it into black and white type of situation of course we want to get we want to create jobs but remember these folks got extreme vetting. If you want to talk about extreme vetting. Tucker you are saying that noneem of the 28,000 26,000 people in your district want a job that one of the dreamers has, they dont want that, is that what youre saying . T of course they want the jobs. Tucker why would you be giving preference to someone here illegally . They are not here illegally. They are not here illegally. Of course we want to create jobs. And those members are helping, theyre working, military, what are you going to tell one of those dreamers in the military defending your rights right now . Tucker im fors them. Im just asking a question about the Unemployment Rate in your district. Im for the military. What you tell a dreamer, with all due respect that defending your rights right now, defending your rights as an american. Tucker look, iig respect people who are serving our country, noo matter where they are from. But im not talking about them, as you know. What do you tell them . Tucker i would say give preference to the americans before the illegals. The military soldier tucker we are out of time. I would say thank you as i say to all members of the4 military. Thank you, congressman. We are now joined by the executive director for the center for immigration studies. This is being kicked to the congress. A lot of members, the Republican Leadership are for daca. Er speaker of the house basically said that he is. What do you expect the congress to do with that . This is not something i would bet on. If i had to bet, theres a reason the republicans are called the stupid party, i think they will screw it up. Kind of two scenarios. One is they do nothing and dont pass anything. But if they pass something theres kind of two scenarios. One is they do with the gang of eight folks and what apparently paul ryan want, which is just a plain amnesty for the people who have daca. Formalizing obamas illegal grant of amnesty to these people. Maybe dress it up with a little bit of enforcement, lipstick. A little money for the wall or something but that for meip is a nightmare scenario because they give away the leverage of daca,g get nothing in return and this is maybe even more important, they pass the amnesty for m the daca without any measures that would limit trying to contain the damage that comes from any amnesty. So my ideal scenario is the amnesty, just quick, clean, quick rip off the bandaid, give them a green card. But they passed two important measures as part of that deal that limits the damage. One is because every amnesty encourages more ilLegal Immigration. Tucker as we seen repeatedly. Would be to mandate the Online System that helps weaken the magnet of jobs. So that tomorrow another parent with a 3yearold doesnt come here illegally. Wont be able to. The other thing is that every amnesty causes a surge of Legal Immigration down the road because of the way our family chain migration works. You sponsor your relatives and then he sponsors his relative and it goes on forever. We would have to have some of the elements of senator cotton and senator purdues bill which tries to modernize Legal Immigration system and slam it down. If you had those two elements combined with the daca amnesty, that i think would be good policy and good politics. Ththe question is, is anybody ia Republican Leadership willing to push for that . And im not sure thats the case, unfortunately. Tucker do you know anyone who is . The speaker of the house. Senator cotton has spoken out in favor of it. Senator cotton, he is on the record as saying this is a case to make for amnesty at the daca. But only if its combined with the act and everify. I think that something the white house has also talked about in the general sense. My concern is the white house doesnt have a legislative strategy. They didnt think this out ahead of time, they are just bouncing it back to congress, which is where its supposed to be. The president has a role in kind of giving them directions and this is what we would like to see, lets talk about it. I dont know if thats happening. At maybe it is, but it doesnt look like it. Tucker they had no choice, they are being sued over daca. Daca is illegal, no matter what you think of it. Theres no question its illegal. Tucker good to see. from charlottesville to california, statues are under attack across the United States despite the fact that they are not real. Up next will talk to dennis gregor, who says they are preventing work on former serious issues and maybe thats the point that in the first place. Plus, was Bernie Sanders a macedonian agent all along . Ac new excerpt from Hillary Clintons book to blame sanders for defeat along with the russians, the macedonians, theelo texans along with others. Hurricane irma has become one of the most powerful storms in history, believe it or not. An update on the category five hurricane path. Unfortunately you might be in it. Stay tuned. Im vern, the orange money retirement rabbit, from voya. Im the money you save for retirement. Whos he . Hes green money, for spending today. Makes it easy to tell you apart. That, and i am better looking. I heard that. When its time to get organized for retirement, its time to get voya. My doctor recommended i switch laxatives. Stimulant laxatives make your body go by forcefully stimulating the nerves in your colon. Miralax is different. It works with the water in your body to hydrate and soften. Unblocking your system naturally. Miralax. Tucker the city council in charlottesville, virginia, is voting tonight on whether to remove its statue of stonewall jackson. One month after antifa and the altright rioted over the fatetu of the robert e lee statue. Both monuments are currently covered with burqas to protect the very sensitive people of charlottesville from fainting at the sight of them. Similar statue battles are being fought in dozens of cities across the country. Radio show host dennis, the battle over statues is him as a distraction from real life. Thanks a lot for coming on tonight. Always good to be with you, tucker. Tucker thank you. The thesis of my column is very important that i set t this out at the outset. Those who did not fight real evil fight statues. This is part of a rule of life that i established many years ago. I think its a defining characteristic of the left, not of liberals necessarily but on the left. That is they dont fight the biggest evils, they fight made up evils instead. They didnt fight communism, they fought anticommunism. They dont fight islamism, they fight islam a phobia. This is another example of that. Real evil, the left is awol. Statues, they dont fight back and they are immobile, you will not get hurt smashing a statue. So this is their big battle. Why not just fight real evil . Wouldnt that be more productive . Yes it would be done, look, this is a very tough question, why dont people fight real evil is one of the l great philosophical questions of life. Why do they fight little or evils . S . I think in part, a to say it because there are some nice people all over the political spectrum, but i think ultimately its tough to fight real evil. The left fights for example religious fundamentalism in america, those nasty christians. But when it comes to theun ayatollah, they are pretty awol again. The really bad religious crowd they have nothing to say about so who do they fight . Really tough people like fr