All and got a b former president s signature accomplishment. Who loves us bill . Doesnt have hope becoming law . Congressman, thanks for coming on. Like a lot of people paying attention, and been spending the day figuring out what this bill says. At some of it is good to some of it i dont fully understand. Its been seven years, is this the best congress can produce after promising to replace obamacare was Something Better . This is the first step, there are other steps we have to get through. This is what were doing and reconciliation. This is what the first bucket looks like, weve still got two buckets left before we have our final product. Very important part of the repeal process. Weve got to do something. Obamacare is imploding. This is something that responsible people and members of congress, we understand that we have to rescue health care and thats what were trying to do. Tucker i think most people agree with you and thats why republicans control both chambers of congress and the majority of governorships and the state legislators and that the white house, in part because they told their voters this is a disaster its never gotten a majority support, were going to give you Something Better. The question remains wise at the multistep process . Whys it so disorganized, why wasnt it ready to go a month and a half ago . It has been ready. We rolled out our better way plan, and we had the major ideas of what we want to do. We want to have more accessible, more affordable patient centered health care. Im the only pharmacist currently serving in congress. I was a health care professional. I know how personal health care is, i know how important it is to people. Its important we have competition and of choices in health care, right now we dont have that with obamacare. Just this week in tennessee we found out were going to have 16 counties dont have any choice whatsoever. Tucker thats clearly bad, i dont think it answers the question after seven years why its not fully ready to go, lets get to the specifics here. The individual mandate is very unpopular, polling has showed that consistently. This is rand paul assessment of the bill. It keeps the individual mandate but makes you pay Insurance Companies, not the government. So theres still a requirement to buy insurance. Not at all. What were doing instead of penalizing people or taxing them for not having insurance, what were going to do is were going to reward them with a tax credit for having insurance. I respect what hes talking about there, its the refundable tax credits. What thats intended to do is make sure those people who dont necessarily benefit from a tax credit that they can get the tax credit and automatically by insurance with integrated thats what we intend for that to do. Tucker theres no penalty at all, if im what used to be called a free rider i dont feel like getting insurance and continue to go to the emergency room for my health care, theres no penalty at all for me. Theres not a penalty but what were going to do again tucker theres no extra cost. Except you dont have insurance. Were not trying to be punitive here, were trying to reward and empower people thats the key. It tucker i get all that but heres the central problem with obamacare try to tackle i think it did a bad job but its still a problem. The older segment of the population consumes the overwhelming majority of health care dollars. The youngest segment doesnt want to buy insurance because they perceive that they dont need it and most of them actually dont. You need to get the healthy to pay for the sick in order for it to work hence the individual mandate. This bill doesnt address that problem at all . Unlike obamacare, we dont want to discriminate. Were not going to. What were going to do it again is empower people. We feel like people are able to make their own Health Care Choices are able to do a better job than this cookiecutter approach that washington, d. C. , things we know best and we can tell you what you need in health care. That simply is not working. Tucker if my kids or anyones kids decide im 27 years old, i can no longer bite along with my parents insurance policy, i dont feel like getting insurance. The government has nothing to say about that . No one is going to force them to do that. Thats been the punitive nature. Tucker i want to be clear on it because theres a lot of debate on what the legislation actually says. The ban on Insurance Companies incriminating against those with preexisting condition stands as does the ban on lifetime limits the Insurance Companies impose on patients. How was it insurance exactly if we are requiring Insurance Companies to ensure people whose policies they are certain will lose money . Thats not really insurance commits something else. A no, listen, the Insurance Companies are going to be a big part of this. We got to see what products theyre going to come out with end of those products are going to be important into what the market will bear and what the market needs. Im sure thats what they will come out with. Tucker but you cant run an insurance company. Its a bet that youll pay more to them than they will pay you in the end of it its based on a wager that they make, thats what insurance is. If the government says you have to take people on whom you know you will lose money, then by definition those Insurance Companies need subsidies or they fail, right . One of the biggest all words of our finest medicaid reform. This isnt called obamacare, it should have been called obama cade. They should have been added through medicaid expansion, its never intended to be for ablebodied adults, it was always intended to be a safety net for those who needed the most, the age, the blind, disabled. Instead it turned out to be through obamacare for ablebodied adults. We forgot to get medicaid back. Weve got to pass the responsibility and partner with the states. They can do a much more efficient and effective job then we can do. Tucker theyre pretty good at police and the federal government, ive noticed. If you talk to any governor or anybody involved with medicaid dell state noncitizens account for a big proportion of spending on medicaid. Its not a small thing at all its not some rightwing hobbyhorse, its a real thing. What does this legislation to prevent people from taking advantage of the largess of the government . What this legislation does come of those people wont be getting tax credits. Those peoples arent filling out tax forms and they are not filling out to get a tax rebate or anything so theyre not going to be benefiting from any kind of tax credit at all. Tucker federally but they can still use the state medicaid, right . People here illegally cannot take advantage of this program. I think its incumbent upon the states to make sure that doesnt happening. Tucker theyre not going to prevent illegals from using this, is that okay . Not in my mind. Tucker the legislation attracts it, thats what i mean. Not that im aware of. It doesnt leave up to the states to be monitored by the states. Tucker obamacare taxes are still in here and not all of them will be repealed, the bulk wont be repealed until 2018, why is that . One of the things that we promised is a stable transition. Mack. In order to have that, weve got to make sure, everyones make sure, they expressed to me how concerned they were about to do. I understand that health care is personal, we promised were not going to yank the rug out from underneath anyone. In order to do that, weve got to have a glide path if you will, a stable transition. Max. This didnt happen overnight at psycho to change overnight. Tucker what does this cost . And how many people will lose their coverage as a result . Two things, we havent gotten the cost estimates back yet from the cbo. Tucker of course it hasnt been scored officially. Youre not going to release Something Like this to the public without giving some sense of the cost. Tucker we feel like we can make it over a period of time, we feel like we can bring bolt down health care costs. Tucker by how much . That remains to be seen. If we increase competition, if we increase choices, if we increase patient responsibility, then we will it tucker i dont mean to be a jerk about it or pressing too hard, this is the story of the day. Youve got to give us some sense of what its going to cost, where the money is good to come from, whos going to lose coverage. Your rolling it out today, whats the answer . The answer is were going to create a market in health care thats going to be much more competitive, much more choices come up patient centered. Thats going to create a market thats going to be much more affordable to people . Tucker how much more . That remains to be seen come i cant a figure. Tucker when nancy pelosi says a lot of people are going to lose her Health Insurance because of this my responses just the opposite, i think people are going to have access to health care and Better Health care and theyre going to be empowered. Tucker so people are not go to lose their Health Insurance . It will be accessible, they will have the opportunity to have health care, i can assure you. Tucker can you see why this makes people nervous . You roll it out with any detailed . Im not against it i just ought to know the details are. I understand, thats why we want to make sure we have a stable transition. Max. Max. To make sure they can last through the transition period. Tucker fox news alert for you. The state of hawaii has announced it will challenge the Trump Administration revised executive order, the one that blocked travel from six nations mostly the middle east, thats a lawsuit which be filed tomorrow is the first of what will likely be many challenges to the new order which is designed to better withstand legal scrutiny. Well keep you updated as we get more details. Up next, its the age of faked scandals as well as fake news, democrats say president Trumps Campaign was somehow coopted by russian intelligence, theyre not too specific about it but they believe it. President trump says he was wiretapped by president obama, he doesnt have evidence for that either. If both of those scandals still exist, grace will be here to tell us whats going on. 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Tucker much like members of diluted cult, today democrats in congress are demanding a special counsel to investigate claims of russian interference in the 2016 election, even though the night is no evidence of any criminal interference has ever appeared, to put it clearl clearly. Similarly, the Trump Administration will not retract its claim that president Obama Wiretapped the campaign or offered any evidence that it happened. Were joined by fox news senior political analyst, brit hume. So if youre able to drowned out all the noise surrounding this russia story, whats it really about at its core . If you step back from it a little bit, you look at all thats generated here. We have a congressional investigation going on by the Intelligence Committee and perhaps other committees as well. We have an attorney general that has recused himself from any investigations involving this matter. We have the calls as you just pointed out for the appointment of a special prosecutor or special counsel to carry out a supposedly independent investigation of this whole matter. When you boil it all down it comes down to two parts. One is russians attempt to interfere in the president ial campaign, there is no evidence they interfered in the election itself and the activities that take place surrounding that. I think there is some indication the russians did try to influence the campaign, most conspicuously by John Podestas emails that were hacked and leaked to the public, most of which were embarrassing, theres no real sign they had any decisive effect on the campaign. Thats part of it. The other part of it is the notion that there is collusion between the Trump Campaign as you pointed out and the russian russians. There is as far as i can see absolutely no evidence to that effect, none whatsoever. There is evidence there may have been some contacts between People Associated to the Trump Campaign and some way and russian officials, no evidence it was improper or inappropriate or related to campaign activities. We have an investigation which is rooted in something of which there is no evidence. If similarly as you point out, the president s made over the weekend in his tweet that obama ordered him wiretapped or headed wiretapped as he put in his tweets, theres a tremendous stir, the media are pressing very hard to get the Trump White House to answer for this claim that the president made for which there appears to be no substantiation. In the meantime, the media are covering very serious and sober faces this whole set of inquiries that are going on into this possibility between the collusion between the Trump Campaign and the russians which as i say and you pointed out there is absently no evidence its a remarkable feat of political alchemy by the Democratic Party and friends in the media to turn it nothing into something. Tucker there are legitimate criticisms for how the administration has behaved this just isnt one of them. Russia is a will country it with Nuclear Weapons in the population come as a player in the world and especially europe. Whats the effect of all this onrush of the actual place and our relationship with it . This seems to be on the irrelevancy that may become an obstacle in relations with russia. It doesnt seem to me to be pretty clear that part of the suspicion about this that has been raised and thats all it is, is a suspicion is rooted in the fact that President Trump had said during the campaign some other kind of things about Vladimir Putin and suggested more than once that he could establish a working relationship with putin in which we would be allies in the fight against isis and perhaps other things as wel well. That proposition that there can be this alliance seems to be somewhat in tatters right now, you have this u. N. Ambassador more more than once very critical of russia as far as we know with his approval. He has set himself as well that he doesnt know if he would be able to have a Good Relationship with Vladimir Putin, he thinks he might not be able to but he might be good if he did. It all seems innocent to me, the question that arises is how do we deal with russia and the problems that russia causes around the world especially in europe . That remains a wide open question, that remains in the hands of people like rex to listen and at James Madison and people at the cia, mike pompeo, and so on. If i dont think there is yet any reason to worry that there might be an inappropriately soft relationship between President Trump and Vladimir Putin, i dont think theres much of a relationship at all at this stage. Tucker really quickly, to the wiretapping question. We know that people around the trump were surveilled by the u. S. Government, the president is in charge of the cia. They are his employees, he is their what prevents the white house from getting to the bottom of this pretty quickly and presented the evidence . Heres a couple things to remember about this. This strikes me that such wiretaps as there were were not related to some domestic investigation they were a Foreign Policy matter, a National Security investigation. That requires a warrant from the socalled Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court. It has to look at the possibility that there is probable cause and then issue its it. Such warrants are not to be issued except in the rarest of circumstances against citizens of the united states, which does not preclude the possibility that in intercepting the phone calls for an example of the Russian Ambassador in washington, the conversations with people close to donald trump might have occurred, as we believe we know they did in the case of general flynn who then proceeded to mislead that the Vice President about those conversations. The reason we know about them is there had to have been surveillance of the Russian Ambassador and general flynn caught up in that. We know that happened and we know there was probably a criminal leak of that information which is why we know about it. The idea that a president would be able to cause a wiretapped to occur with it illegally not supposed to occur without the permission of the court seems a touch of farfetched and that theres certainly no evidence that president obama because of this to happen. There are people who think that he gives a wink and a nod to the rig